Janice, please pass on to your husband that he will be looking for Doherty/Dougherty when he gets over here. That gets mangled, too. Can you tell us about them, too, please? Janet On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Janice Doughty <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, > SNIP I am looking forward to visiting Ireland > to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes to > research his Doughty connections. > > Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map of > Ireland out. > > Regards, > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > > >> Hi Janet & Janice, >> >> There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread over >> the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes (Ardfinnan, >> Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three >> sections >> as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch >> ordnance >> survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half way >> between Caher and Ardfinnan. >> >> Regards, >> >> Seamus. >> >> Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. >> Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. >> somoore@iol.ie >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning Janet and Listers, Back in 1985 we received an invitation from the O'Dochartaigh Association to attend a very "large" Dougherty (and all different spellings of the name) family get together in Donegal/Derry. Sadly, we were unable to make it, as we still had all the children at home with us, and too many commitments and last but not least, no spare cash to make the trip. So far my husband's Doughtys have been traced back to Terrington St Clements and Walpole St. Peter, in Norfolk England. We have been able to reach back to Robert Doughty marrying Alice Gathercole in 1807 in the church in Terrington St Clements, and stop there. Between 1872 and 1880 five Doughty brothers sailed from Portsea to make their life Down Under, one Robert John Doughty and his wife, who was his first cousin Hannah Doughty, were my husband's g grandparents. However, we can go further back in history and find two Doughty brothers, Thomas and John who were close friends of Sir Francis Drake, serving with him on an expedition when five ships sailed from Plymouth in 1577. One of the objects of the voyage was to discover the legendary continent of "Terra Australis Incognita", (as we know that failed and it would be another 203 years before Captain James Cook met the challenge and discovered "The Great South Land"). Things started to go wrong on the voyage, and Drake charged Thomas Doughty with treason and mutiny. Drake had Thomas arrested and set up a Court of Law, Thomas was found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to death. He was beheaded and his brother John had to witness his brother's execution. So the mystery is, does the name Doughty have an Irish connection or not? We do also have another Irish mystery to solve, again connected to my husband's paternal side of the family. He has three convict ggg grandparents transported to the Penal Colony of Port Jackson (Sydney). One Elizabeth Macginnis of Middle Street London near Cloth Fair, must have been Irish, as was her husband or we believe they were, however we have no way to prove it. Here is the story, Elizabeth 42 was tried at the Old Bailey in 1816 with her husband Daniel Macginnis 40. Daniel was acquitted, however Elizabeth was found guilty of receiving a roll of stolen clothe in 1816 and sentenced to transportation for 14 years. She was taken to Newgate prison to await the ship that would transport her. However, before she sailed her husband Daniel died, and her two children Thomas 6 and Elizabeth 4 were sent to Newgate prison to be with thier mother. The family sailed on the female convict ship "Friendship" and arrived in Sydney Cove in Jan 1818. Elizabeth gave their religion as protestant. However, on the 1828 Census held in the Colony, Thomas now 18, has his own Merchant Store on the corner of Castlereagh and King Streets in Old Sydney Town and with him was his ex convict mother Elizabeth 53, his sister Elizabeth 15 and three Government Servants (convicts). Now here is the interesting bit, the three Mcguness (the name no longer spelt Macginnis) family members give their religion as ROMAN CATHOLIC. The story goes, that Protestant convicts had a better time of it, than those who were Catholic, and a worse time if they were Irish Catholic. We believe Elizabeth lied about her faith, to make things better for herself and her children, when details were taken from her for the Indent. Our search now, it to try and find Daniel and Elizabeth (nee ????) roots in Ireland and was it usual for Irish immigrants to make their way to London to find work? Regards, Janice Belrose-Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > Janice, please pass on to your husband that he will be looking for > Doherty/Dougherty when he gets over here. That gets mangled, too. Can > you tell us about them, too, please? > > Janet > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Janice Doughty > <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, >> > SNIP > I am looking forward to visiting Ireland >> to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes to >> research his Doughty connections. >> >> Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map of >> Ireland out. >> >> Regards, >> Janice >> Belrose - Sydney >> Australia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> >> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story >> >> >>> Hi Janet & Janice, >>> >>> There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread >>> over >>> the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes (Ardfinnan, >>> Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three >>> sections >>> as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch >>> ordnance >>> survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half way >>> between Caher and Ardfinnan. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Seamus. >>> >>> Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. >>> Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. >>> somoore@iol.ie >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janice . A lot of Tipperary men and families went to london that time span if the were in the building trade because london was having a building spree . They would also require labourers . also they joined the British army and could have been transferred to london . I have examples in both categories . Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: Janice Doughty To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] The Doughty and Macginnis (Mcguiness) Good morning Janet and Listers, Back in 1985 we received an invitation from the O'Dochartaigh Association to attend a very "large" Dougherty (and all different spellings of the name) family get together in Donegal/Derry. Sadly, we were unable to make it, as we still had all the children at home with us, and too many commitments and last but not least, no spare cash to make the trip. So far my husband's Doughtys have been traced back to Terrington St Clements and Walpole St. Peter, in Norfolk England. We have been able to reach back to Robert Doughty marrying Alice Gathercole in 1807 in the church in Terrington St Clements, and stop there. Between 1872 and 1880 five Doughty brothers sailed from Portsea to make their life Down Under, one Robert John Doughty and his wife, who was his first cousin Hannah Doughty, were my husband's g grandparents. However, we can go further back in history and find two Doughty brothers, Thomas and John who were close friends of Sir Francis Drake, serving with him on an expedition when five ships sailed from Plymouth in 1577. One of the objects of the voyage was to discover the legendary continent of "Terra Australis Incognita", (as we know that failed and it would be another 203 years before Captain James Cook met the challenge and discovered "The Great South Land"). Things started to go wrong on the voyage, and Drake charged Thomas Doughty with treason and mutiny. Drake had Thomas arrested and set up a Court of Law, Thomas was found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to death. He was beheaded and his brother John had to witness his brother's execution. So the mystery is, does the name Doughty have an Irish connection or not? We do also have another Irish mystery to solve, again connected to my husband's paternal side of the family. He has three convict ggg grandparents transported to the Penal Colony of Port Jackson (Sydney). One Elizabeth Macginnis of Middle Street London near Cloth Fair, must have been Irish, as was her husband or we believe they were, however we have no way to prove it. Here is the story, Elizabeth 42 was tried at the Old Bailey in 1816 with her husband Daniel Macginnis 40. Daniel was acquitted, however Elizabeth was found guilty of receiving a roll of stolen clothe in 1816 and sentenced to transportation for 14 years. She was taken to Newgate prison to await the ship that would transport her. However, before she sailed her husband Daniel died, and her two children Thomas 6 and Elizabeth 4 were sent to Newgate prison to be with thier mother. The family sailed on the female convict ship "Friendship" and arrived in Sydney Cove in Jan 1818. Elizabeth gave their religion as protestant. However, on the 1828 Census held in the Colony, Thomas now 18, has his own Merchant Store on the corner of Castlereagh and King Streets in Old Sydney Town and with him was his ex convict mother Elizabeth 53, his sister Elizabeth 15 and three Government Servants (convicts). Now here is the interesting bit, the three Mcguness (the name no longer spelt Macginnis) family members give their religion as ROMAN CATHOLIC. The story goes, that Protestant convicts had a better time of it, than those who were Catholic, and a worse time if they were Irish Catholic. We believe Elizabeth lied about her faith, to make things better for herself and her children, when details were taken from her for the Indent. Our search now, it to try and find Daniel and Elizabeth (nee ????) roots in Ireland and was it usual for Irish immigrants to make their way to London to find work? Regards, Janice Belrose-Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > Janice, please pass on to your husband that he will be looking for > Doherty/Dougherty when he gets over here. That gets mangled, too. Can > you tell us about them, too, please? > > Janet > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Janice Doughty > <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, >> > SNIP > I am looking forward to visiting Ireland >> to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes to >> research his Doughty connections. >> >> Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map of >> Ireland out. >> >> Regards, >> Janice >> Belrose - Sydney >> Australia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> >> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story >> >> >>> Hi Janet & Janice, >>> >>> There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread >>> over >>> the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes (Ardfinnan, >>> Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three >>> sections >>> as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch >>> ordnance >>> survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half way >>> between Caher and Ardfinnan. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Seamus. >>> >>> Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. >>> Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. >>> somoore@iol.ie >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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George Guest of Newtown Tipperary a farmer and Catherine Mortished, Gurtnaghie Parish Ballyneclough Parish of same County- a spinster Marriage licence grant- 22/1/1825 - By Rev John Read- Security by John Mortished Sorry I forgot to say before they are from Killalow Court Books NLI 1776-1845