How old is he? My Irish family is almost entirely from this diocese and this issue is a big pain. On the other hand, it does lead one to be creative, and given the IFHF current search structure, I'd be wasting a lot more money looking at records that don't belong to me if the C&E records were there. So I have discovered a way to use what's there to move my work forward just a tad. And when I think how far we've come in terms of on-line access to information since I started my search 10 years ago, I'm amazed -- there is a bright side, especially for those of us who aren't based in Ireland. In case it helps anyone, here's what I've been doing. I've been using a combination of records from a Tipperary Heritage search and familysearch.org (the Mormons) to figure out whether to purchase any of the IFHF records, and I actually have and they've all been useful and given me pieces that I didn't have before. For instance, my cousin and I knew our g-g-grandparents Owen Keefe and Bridget Bircury were married in Longstone in 1869 but not their parents names. She found a marriage record for each of them in that year, so could be pretty sure it was them and she purchased it -- and it was, and it had their fathers' names on it and it said that she was from Longstone and he from Ballyrobin -- back a generation already! And thanks to Pat Connor I already know that there was a John Bercory in Longstone in the 1851 Griffiths. Definately worth the $7.86 (we can talk about the value of the $ some other time!) I also knew from THF that my g-g-grandmother, Julia Lillis, died in 1913 -- hers was the only death to a person by that name that year in IFHF, so I got the record. No new dates or names, but I did find out that she died of "senile decay" -- not sure exactly what that means, and another record says that it was a workhouse death, so I can start to figure that one out some more. Sorry this is getting a little long winded -- but my point is that we may not have everything we want and we certainly don't want to just throw money into the IFHF so that they have no impetus to improve, but if we're strategic about it and help each other we'll have plenty to do until things progress, which they certainly will. If we don't use them at all, they'll go out of business, but if they can see that the more user-friendly they become the more money they will make, I don't doubt they'll improve. And maybe by then, the AB will have either changed his mind or gone to his great reward... (Right now I can hear my grandmother scolding me for speaking ill of a priest). Hang in everyone -- there's plenty to do. Kathleen > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:31:37 +0000> From: reojan@gmail.com> To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] RC C & E records & IFHF - not> > I had to go into town and had a chance to ask Charlotte Crowe about> the Cashel & Emly records going on-line. She assured me that as long> as this Archbishop lives, the C & E RC records will NOT go on-line> with IFHF either in the North or South Ridings. Sigh.> > Janet> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join