I have hesitated to write as I have so little information on my great-grandfather, John J. Ryan (John Joseph Ryan I believe is his full name). But since three of my sisters will visit Ireland in September, I thought I would send a query and see if anyone can help break through this solid brick wall. Family lore says that John was from Tipperary, Ireland (birth certificates of children say he was born in Ireland). I realize that with such a common name and no specific city, and no exact date of birth, it may be impossible to trace his lineage. (Another uncle thought he might have been from Cork, but he was relying on childhood memories, and most others in the family say Tipperary.) He may have had a sister, Mary, and a brother, or brother-in-law named Daniel, and possibly a nephew Tom. What we do know is that around 1888 he married Margaret (Maggie) McDonald [born February 12, 1867 in Canada). His first daughter was Mary Francis, born in Michigan (city not known) on December 12, 1889. The family later moved to Ironwood, MI where Grayce Helen was born on December 15, 1891, and John Andrew was born on June 5, 1894. Grayce was baptized at St. Ambrose Church in Ironwood. Her birth certificates state that John was a miner, but it is not known which mine he worked at. The family next moved to Butte, MT where John secured another mining job and his son Daniel Hennessy was born on January 16, 1895 . John died in 1900 and is buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery, part of Holy Cross Cemetery, in Butte, Montana, Silver Bow County, State of Montana, USA. His age at death was 46, which makes his birth year either 1853 or 1854. If anyone can offer any assistance, I will be extremely grateful. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Kindest regards, Kathleen Kelly New York, NY USA

Kathleen, If your gr-grandfather was a miner, he may well have worked in the mines around Silvermines in the North Riding, and he may have worked in the mines in Co. Cork as well. Please take a few minutes and search the archives for this list [link below] for miners, and also check the archives of the Waterford list at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-WATERFORD.html I know there is a good bit of information on miners there. Also check the archives of the Beara, Co. Cork list at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/IRL/Beara.html Miners went where there was work and were far more mobile than one would think. Janet On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:57 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I have hesitated to write as I have so little information on my > great-grandfather, John J. Ryan (John Joseph Ryan I believe is his full  name).  But > since three of my sisters will visit Ireland in September, I  thought I would > send a query and see if anyone can help break through  this solid brick > wall. > > Family lore says that John was from Tipperary, Ireland (birth certificates > of children say he was born in Ireland). I realize that with such a common > name  and no specific city, and no exact date of birth, it may be impossible > to trace  his lineage. (Another uncle thought he might have been from Cork, > but he was  relying on childhood memories, and most others in the family > say Tipperary.) He  may have had a sister, Mary, and a brother, or > brother-in-law named Daniel, and  possibly a nephew Tom. > > What we do know is that around 1888 he married Margaret (Maggie)  McDonald > [born February 12, 1867 in Canada).  His first daughter was Mary  Francis, > born in Michigan (city not known) on December 12, 1889.  The  family later > moved to Ironwood, MI where Grayce Helen was born on December 15,  1891, and > John Andrew was born on June 5, 1894.  Grayce was baptized  at St. Ambrose > Church in Ironwood.  Her birth certificates state that John  was a miner, but > it is not known which mine he worked at. > > The family next moved to Butte, MT where John secured another mining job > and his son Daniel Hennessy was born on January 16, 1895 . > > John died in 1900 and is buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery, part of  Holy > Cross Cemetery, in Butte, Montana, Silver Bow County, State of  Montana, USA. > His age at death was 46, which makes his birth  year either 1853 or 1854. > > If anyone can offer any assistance, I will be extremely grateful.   Thank > you in advance for your assistance. > > Kindest regards, > Kathleen Kelly > New York, NY USA > > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kathleen My first relook would be what religion that early marriage was and if you can look at that record to see if he belonged to that church? It would eliminate a huge amount of looking if he happened to be C of I. Della Palmer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 1 August 2011 5:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Roll Call - John J. Ryan I have hesitated to write as I have so little information on my great-grandfather, John J. Ryan (John Joseph Ryan I believe is his full name). But since three of my sisters will visit Ireland in September, I thought I would send a query and see if anyone can help break through this solid brick wall. Family lore says that John was from Tipperary, Ireland (birth certificates of children say he was born in Ireland). I realize that with such a common name and no specific city, and no exact date of birth, it may be impossible to trace his lineage. (Another uncle thought he might have been from Cork, but he was relying on childhood memories, and most others in the family say Tipperary.) He may have had a sister, Mary, and a brother, or brother-in-law named Daniel, and possibly a nephew Tom. What we do know is that around 1888 he married Margaret (Maggie) McDonald [born February 12, 1867 in Canada). His first daughter was Mary Francis, born in Michigan (city not known) on December 12, 1889. The family later moved to Ironwood, MI where Grayce Helen was born on December 15, 1891, and John Andrew was born on June 5, 1894. Grayce was baptized at St. Ambrose Church in Ironwood. Her birth certificates state that John was a miner, but it is not known which mine he worked at. The family next moved to Butte, MT where John secured another mining job and his son Daniel Hennessy was born on January 16, 1895 . John died in 1900 and is buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery, part of Holy Cross Cemetery, in Butte, Montana, Silver Bow County, State of Montana, USA. His age at death was 46, which makes his birth year either 1853 or 1854. If anyone can offer any assistance, I will be extremely grateful. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Kindest regards, Kathleen Kelly New York, NY USA Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message