Good morning Lance and Tippers, Here is a great finding aid by Michael J Thompson, 2012 is titled Registration /Districts of Ireland: An Alphabetical List of the Registration Districts of Ireland with Details of Counties, Sub­Districts and Adjacent Districts./ http://genealogyresearch.org.uk/IRL_RegistrationDistricts1871.pdf It's 31 pages includes Maps of Ireland showing Counties and Registration Districts; Alphabetical listing of Registration Districts giving also sub-districts and adjacent Registration Districts; Registration Districts listed by County; Alphabetical listing of Sub-Districts; and Registration District boundary changes between 1841and 1911. Its a quick way to find the various "Districts". It does not explain "why" as that is a really long history, of Ireland. best, Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA On 8/5/2014 1:21 AM, Janet Crawford via wrote: > The county line between Tipperary and Waterford changed/moved and there is > discussion about this in either or both archives as well. > The address for the archives is at the bottom of all messages for the lists. > > Janet > > Dear List Members, > Still I am a bit confused at the fact that St Mary’s is in Clonmel, and Clonmel is in > Tipperary, why does it say Waterford? Can anybody help me locate this or explain Clonmel in Waterford? > > Regards, > Lance > > > > >

Dear List Members, I did subscribe to the RootsIreland Website on the behalf of my friend and was able to locate the the baptism of Ellen O’BRIEN, the marriage of Roger O’BRIEN and Mary TOBIN, in addition I was able to locate the death of Roger O’BRIEN at the Lismore Workhouse and the baptism of Roger O’BRIEN in Clonmel, who’s parents were listed as Denis BRIEN and Ellen DWYER. Now, I am still a novice on the website, and I was unable to locate the marriage between Denis BRIEN and Ellen DWYER. Their son Roger was baptized 31 mar 1801 at St Mary’s Clonmel, County Waterford. Still I am a bit confused at the fact that St Mary’s is in Clonmel, and Clonmel is in Tipperary, why does it say Waterford? Can anybody help me locate this marriage and/or explain Clonmel in Waterford? Next problem. Mary TOBIN evidently came to America after her husband’s, in 1767, for she is found in the 1870 Us Census. Her 1875 death record does not indicate who her parents were or where she was born other than Ireland, but does say she was 75 years old. My search for Mary TOBIN born in Tipperary and Waterford in 1800 +/- 5 years turned up 22 Mary TOBINs. Anybody have any idea how I might be able to find out who her parents were? Final question, is there any lists on the inmates of the Lismore Workhouse? Thanks everyone. My buddy is very excited. This is his first confirmed connection to Ireland. This is all good news for the O’BRIEN family here in America. The information is spreading like wildfire throughout the family. Regards, Lance

First re-post to this list since 2007, having found a few more facts on this family. (Any spelling for GLEESON.) Anyone related to this family from the CULLEN area? Launcelot GLEESON, wife, Bridget BOURKE. Known children: Johanna (Limerick?, Tip & Beechworth, Victoria, Australia.) Daniel (Tip) Malachi (Tip? & Providence, Rhode Island, USA.) Mark (Tip, Liverpool, Lancashire & Mt Lloyd, (near New Norfolk) Tasmania, Australia.) Griffiths Valuation has Launcelot GLEESON in Milltown (Next to the village of Cullen.) (Parish of Cullen, Diocese of Emly and Cashel.) A Marcus GLEESON had land next door and in Ballinulty. Daughter Johanna GLEESON, is given as born in Gortavalla Limerick. Circa 1834. Launcelot's occupation is listed as "Gentleman" on Johanna's marriage certificate. She emigrated to Victoria, Australia, believed to be the Johanna GLEESON who arrived on the "Lady Kennaway" in 1853. Married James BULLEID in Victoria in 1856. Story of "staying with an Aunty in Beechworth" prior to her marriage. Five children. The GLEESON family were living in Tipperary by 1849, when Launcelot, his wife, and son Daniel were assaulted on the road home from the town of Tipperary. The court case was reported in the newspaper. Son Daniel GLEESON, birth and age unknown, listed as the son in the assault reported in the newspaper report above. Gave evidence in court. My be the Daniel GLEESON who married Bridget MORRISSY and had son Marks GLEESON in Tipperary in 1865. Marks Gleeson was listed as living in Ballinulty as one of the "Farmers & Residents" in 1881. Son Malachi GLEESON/GLEASON born circa 1845, where, unknown. Emigrated to the USA, possibly via Canada, dates unknown. Malachi GLEASON, was married in Providence, Rhode Island, 9 January, 1876 to Ellen McCORMICK, also born Ireland. He died there in 1877, leaving a son, Malachi Daniel and deceased infant twins. Some dates given in available USA BDM records online do not add up. Malachi senior is given to have died on 23 April, 1877 and son Malachi is given as born to him and Ellen on 19 November, 1878. Son Mark GLEESON/LEESON. Years of birth given, vary wildly between 1844 to 1852. When and where unknown. He is my Great Grandfather - who told a lot of fibs. He was living in Liverpool, Lancashire in 1869 when he was reported in the newspaper as a "young policeman" and was then listed as a policeman aged 23 (=1848) from Cashel, Tipperary, Ireland, in the 1871 Liverpool Census. A Mark GLEESON is named as the Hospital Porter in an alleged assault case in later newspaper article. Mark GLEESON Emigrated to Australia on the ship "Aconcagua", arriving in Melbourne, Victoria, in 1879. He was now listed as aged 27 (=1852) and "English". He then must have immediately taken a coastal vessel to Tasmania, where he had received a Land Order Warrant for a small plot of land through the Emigrants & Colonists Aid Corporation. He settled at Mt Lloyd, near New Norfolk. His surname thereafter was always given as LEESON, except in the occasional Government Gazette and always stated he was "from Lancashire" (even in his will) and hid his origins. There may have been scandal, a possible illegitimate daughter in Liverpool. However, I can find no previous marriage that would explain why he never married Jane Emily CLARK the mother of his nine children. He hid this fact, stating when official records demanded it, that they HAD married in "1878 in Victoria" (a year before he arrived in Australia) This statement was also, presumably, to hide the birth of Jane's unregistered illegitimate son, whom he had taken on as his own. Their first child was baptised Protestant. Baptisms for two children have not been found. The rest were baptised as Wesleyans. Mark himself, was buried as a Methodist (Wesleyan-Methodist). His Obituary says "Late of Lancashire" in the 84th year of his age (=1844) His official death record states aged 75 (=1852) His Burial record states aged 82 (=1845) Any help or suggestions gratefully received. Willing to assist with Australian searches. Wynnette Ford, formerly Blanchard, nee Mansfield Formerly Tasmanian, now living in Queensland, Australia. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4744 / Virus Database: 3986/7965 - Release Date: 08/02/14

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Dear Jack, Thanks. Regards, Lance -----Original Message----- From: grngenes67@aol.com via Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:51 AM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] O'BRIENs of Clonmel Clare Tuohy noted that the four index entries for baptisms of children of Roger Brien and a Tobin mother at St. Mary's Parish (RC) Clonmel which she found at Rootsireland.ie did not have Mary as the forename for the mother. I did some creative searching with the index and found the forename for each index entry. In chronological order for the baptisms, the mother's forename is indexed as Maire, Maria, Margaret, and Maria. So for at least three of the children the mother's forename is Mary. And the fourth record may have an error. Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clare Tuohy <claretuohy2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: O'BRIENs of Clonmel Lance Rootsireland.ie a pay site is showing four church baptisms for Children of Roger O Brien/ Brien/Bryan with mother Tobin in St Mary's Parish Clonmel. Note one has no personal name recorded. I am able to search the indexes for free but to see each record (which is a transcription) will cost about 4 euros each. Note when I searched with Mary Tobin no records showed so the mother is showing a different personal name. However may be worthwhile checking out. Copy of the records returned. Church Baptism Bryan Patrick 1832 Co. Tipperary Church Baptism Brien Maria 1837 Co. Tipperary Church Baptism Brien John 1840 Co. Tipperary Church Baptism Brien Nr 1843 Co. Tipperary Regards Clare When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Clare Tuohy noted that the four index entries for baptisms of children of Roger Brien and a Tobin mother at St. Mary's Parish (RC) Clonmel which she found at Rootsireland.ie did not have Mary as the forename for the mother. I did some creative searching with the index and found the forename for each index entry. In chronological order for the baptisms, the mother's forename is indexed as Maire, Maria, Margaret, and Maria. So for at least three of the children the mother's forename is Mary. And the fourth record may have an error. Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clare Tuohy <claretuohy2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: O'BRIENs of Clonmel Lance Rootsireland.ie a pay site is showing four church baptisms for Children of Roger O Brien/ Brien/Bryan with mother Tobin in St Mary's Parish Clonmel. Note one has no personal name recorded. I am able to search the indexes for free but to see each record (which is a transcription) will cost about 4 euros each. Note when I searched with Mary Tobin no records showed so the mother is showing a different personal name. However may be worthwhile checking out. Copy of the records returned. Church Baptism Bryan Patrick 1832 Co. Tipperary Church Baptism Brien Maria 1837 Co. Tipperary Church Baptism Brien John 1840 Co. Tipperary Church Baptism Brien Nr 1843 Co. Tipperary Regards Clare

Lance Rootsireland.ie a pay site is showing four church baptisms for Children of Roger O Brien/ Brien/Bryan with mother Tobin in St Mary's Parish Clonmel. Note one has no personal name recorded. I am able to search the indexes for free but to see each record (which is a transcription) will cost about 4 euros each. Note when I searched with Mary Tobin no records showed so the mother is showing a different personal name. However may be worthwhile checking out. Copy of the records returned. 25 credits Church Baptism Bryan Patrick 1832 Co. Tipperary View 25 credits Church Baptism Brien Maria 1837 Co. Tipperary View 25 credits Church Baptism Brien John 1840 Co. Tipperary View 25 credits Church Baptism Brien Nr 1843 Co. Tipperary Regards Clare On 27 July 2014 23:17, Lance L. Piatt via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear List Members, > > I am in search of Roger O’BRIEN and Mary TOBIN, who I believe may have > come from Clonmel. > > They had 4 children that I know of: > > Ellen born ~1827 > Bridget born ~1830 > Patrick born ~1833 > John born ~1848 > > I believe that these four children may have immigrated separately to > America between 1848 and 1852. I do not believe that Roger O’BRIEN ever > came to America, at least I have found no records of him in America. > However, I did find a death certification for Mary (Tobin) O’BRIEN dtd 23 > Apr 1875 in Framingham, MA. age of 75. > > After tracking down each child I did find a single reference that Patrick > O’BRIEN s/o Roger O’BRIEN and Mary TOBIN was born in Clonmel. > > I am in hopes that some-kind-sole may have assess to records that can > prove that his O’BRIEN family was from Clonmel. > > Regards, > Lance > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There might be a bit more info at familysearch.org. Be sure to register to insure access to all records. Judie Mason Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:56 AM, Clare Tuohy via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Lance > Rootsireland.ie a pay site is showing four church baptisms for Children of > Roger O Brien/ Brien/Bryan with mother Tobin in St Mary's Parish Clonmel. > Note one has no personal name recorded. > > I am able to search the indexes for free but to see each record (which is a > transcription) will cost about 4 euros each. Note when I searched with Mary > Tobin no records showed so the mother is showing a different personal name. > However may be worthwhile checking out. > Copy of the records returned. > > 25 credits Church Baptism Bryan Patrick 1832 Co. > Tipperary > > View 25 credits Church Baptism Brien Maria > 1837 Co. Tipperary > > View 25 credits Church Baptism Brien John > 1840 Co. Tipperary > > View 25 credits Church Baptism Brien Nr > 1843 Co. Tipperary > > Regards > > Clare > > >> On 27 July 2014 23:17, Lance L. Piatt via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Dear List Members, >> >> I am in search of Roger O’BRIEN and Mary TOBIN, who I believe may have >> come from Clonmel. >> >> They had 4 children that I know of: >> >> Ellen born ~1827 >> Bridget born ~1830 >> Patrick born ~1833 >> John born ~1848 >> >> I believe that these four children may have immigrated separately to >> America between 1848 and 1852. I do not believe that Roger O’BRIEN ever >> came to America, at least I have found no records of him in America. >> However, I did find a death certification for Mary (Tobin) O’BRIEN dtd 23 >> Apr 1875 in Framingham, MA. age of 75. >> >> After tracking down each child I did find a single reference that Patrick >> O’BRIEN s/o Roger O’BRIEN and Mary TOBIN was born in Clonmel. >> >> I am in hopes that some-kind-sole may have assess to records that can >> prove that his O’BRIEN family was from Clonmel. >> >> Regards, >> Lance >> >> >> >> When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: >> 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. >> 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. >> Thank You. >> >> All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List Members, I am in search of Roger O’BRIEN and Mary TOBIN, who I believe may have come from Clonmel. They had 4 children that I know of: Ellen born ~1827 Bridget born ~1830 Patrick born ~1833 John born ~1848 I believe that these four children may have immigrated separately to America between 1848 and 1852. I do not believe that Roger O’BRIEN ever came to America, at least I have found no records of him in America. However, I did find a death certification for Mary (Tobin) O’BRIEN dtd 23 Apr 1875 in Framingham, MA. age of 75. After tracking down each child I did find a single reference that Patrick O’BRIEN s/o Roger O’BRIEN and Mary TOBIN was born in Clonmel. I am in hopes that some-kind-sole may have assess to records that can prove that his O’BRIEN family was from Clonmel. Regards, Lance

I am looking for information or any descendants of the family of John *Condon* (b 1867 d?) and Nellie *Ryan* (b 1870 d?) They were married 1895 Limerick but lived the in Tipperary township from 1895 till at least 1922. John & Nellie appear in the 1901 and 1911 Census living in Clonmel Road Town. The 1911 Census also list 5 of their children; 1. Johanna Margaret b 1896, 2. Michael Christopher b 1897 3. Henry b 1899 4. Catherine b 1901 5. John Christopher b 1910 6. It is possible they may have had more children. · Johanna Margaret married Thomas Patrick *Hogan* b1895 in Dublin in 1914. They had 2 children; Kathleen 1915 & James 1916 and possibly more. A possible piece to the puzzle may be in the Tipperary Electors Register 940/41 Bohercrowe (rural) lists a Johanna & Thomas Hogan. As for the other Condon children I have not been able to identify what happened to them post the 1911 Census. I have a picture of Michael Condon in Army uniform aged around 20, Given his age (b 1897) that could have been either WW1 or the Irish Civil War. Unfortunately what ever the conflict it was I have not been able to find any military records or anything further on him. . The latest dated info that I have was for Nellie is in 1922 her address was Mountain View, TIP( Mountain View seems to be the top of Clonmel St in TIP). Please any information or advice on this family would be most appreciated. Kevin New Zealand

Roger, Most of those townlands for Ryan Martin are from Griffiths but also collected from other sources and people. It appears to be one of the older nicknames because of the number of places it is found. Appears they may have started in Donohill or Moheragh from the number of Ryan nicknames there; the Ryans have been in those places a long time. Janet On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Roger Hoffmann via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Thanks, Brenda. (and also, to Clare Tuohy and Janet for responses...). > > I've looked at the GV (and also Tithe Applotments) but didn't find any > "Ryan Martin"s in Upperchurch Parish. Though I did find the GV entry for > my > probable kin, in Coumnageeha, which appears to be the most likely setting. > > Janet, in the thread on QUINLISK - RYAN (included below), you listed a > number of places (townlands, I think) where Ryan Martins are found. > Was that list derived from the Griffith's Valuation? Or did you find it > elsewhere? > At any rate, I don't currently have anything to associate kin to any of > the > listed places. > > It probably isn't all that important ... at least until someone at Ryan's > (or another) Upperchurch pub again asks me "which Ryan" clan was mine. But > I > never heard any of my family mention the 2nd name anyway, until I prompted > it's recall by an elderly aunt.. > > Thanks again to each of you. > ~Roger > > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:07:15 +0100 > From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CANOXhXYOYi2y+scQqUAuRtvDU2nS34ugA9VL-XRTNWYWWMN3hw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Roger - Ryan Martin is a valid Ryan nickname and found in these places: > Curragh; Ballybrack, Donohill; Moheragh, Donohill; Knockdunee/Knockdunne, > Glenkeen; Cooleen; Cloneygaheen, Killoscully; Ballymackeogh, Kilvellane; > Barna, Kilvellane; Derryleigh, Kilvellane; Rossmore. There may be other > places nearby to those. > > Janet > > > > > > > 1. Re: QUINLISK - RYAN (Roger Hoffmann) > > 2. Ryan Martin (Brenda Pilson) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:49:35 -0600 > > From: "Roger Hoffmann" <ro9er@comcast.net> > > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > > Ah, if not for the fact that there were so many Tipperary John Ryans, I > > might be embarrassed by the infamy of the John Ryan in that article. > > That's > > because a John Ryan was my G-G-Grandfather; father to my G-Grandfather > > Dennis Ryan who emigrated to U.S. around 1867-1869. In fact ,one of the > > Dennis Ryans I found in my search of Tipp. baptismal records was baptized > > 1848, in Borrisoleigh Parish, to John Ryan / Mary Gleeson of Cooleen. > > Given > > the common nature of the name, it wouldn't be surprising that at least > one > > John Ryan would acquire such infamy! > > > > In any case, after further research, I've concluded that my Dennis > > belonged > > to a different John Ryan family: To John Ryan / Mary Ryan (m. 1843, > > Upperchurch), of Coumnageeha; a son Dennis was born and baptized > Feb.,1848 > > at Upperchurch Parish. The names match between my Dennis' children and > > this > > family rather closely followed the Naming Convention (with one puzzling > > exception). > > > > Unfortunately for me, there was no parentage or place information given > on > > this couple's marriage, I have no other documentation about them at all, > > and > > I'm feeling rather at an impasse to learn more about them or their > > antecedents. > > > > However, on a related note, I was told by one now-deceased family member > > that our branch of Ryans was named "Ryan Martin". Has anyone else > > encountered that clan or acquired any information thereon? > > > > ~Roger Hoffmann > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 12:49:36 +1000 > > From: Brenda Pilson <brendapilson@yahoo.com.au> > > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Ryan Martin > > To: Roger Hoffmann <ro9er@comcast.net>, "cotipperary@rootsweb.com" > > <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <1EA1E430-050B-4FDD-8E01-C7F0AA5544A4@yahoo.com.au> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hi Roger, > > You would find "Ryan Martin" notations on Griffiths valuations original > > page. Martin would be in brackets after the Ryan person listed. It > > does not show on the details page, you need to look at the original. > > You can view original pages on ask about ireland site. > > I first noticed it when looking at my Bennetts from Armagh and it seems > > widespread. > > In my case it showed Anthony Bennett (James). Anthony was the son of > > James and took over the lease when James died. > > Regards > > Brenda, Melbourne. > > > >> On 21 Jul 2014, at 11:49 am, Roger Hoffmann via > >> <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> However, on a related note, I was told by one now-deceased family member > >> that our branch of Ryans was named "Ryan Martin". Has anyone else > >> encountered that clan or acquired any information thereon? > >> > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Brenda. (and also, to Clare Tuohy and Janet for responses...). I've looked at the GV (and also Tithe Applotments) but didn't find any "Ryan Martin"s in Upperchurch Parish. Though I did find the GV entry for my probable kin, in Coumnageeha, which appears to be the most likely setting. Janet, in the thread on QUINLISK - RYAN (included below), you listed a number of places (townlands, I think) where Ryan Martins are found. Was that list derived from the Griffith's Valuation? Or did you find it elsewhere? At any rate, I don't currently have anything to associate kin to any of the listed places. It probably isn't all that important ... at least until someone at Ryan's (or another) Upperchurch pub again asks me "which Ryan" clan was mine. But I never heard any of my family mention the 2nd name anyway, until I prompted it's recall by an elderly aunt.. Thanks again to each of you. ~Roger Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:07:15 +0100 From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CANOXhXYOYi2y+scQqUAuRtvDU2nS34ugA9VL-XRTNWYWWMN3hw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Roger - Ryan Martin is a valid Ryan nickname and found in these places: Curragh; Ballybrack, Donohill; Moheragh, Donohill; Knockdunee/Knockdunne, Glenkeen; Cooleen; Cloneygaheen, Killoscully; Ballymackeogh, Kilvellane; Barna, Kilvellane; Derryleigh, Kilvellane; Rossmore. There may be other places nearby to those. Janet > 1. Re: QUINLISK - RYAN (Roger Hoffmann) > 2. Ryan Martin (Brenda Pilson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:49:35 -0600 > From: "Roger Hoffmann" <ro9er@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Ah, if not for the fact that there were so many Tipperary John Ryans, I > might be embarrassed by the infamy of the John Ryan in that article. > That's > because a John Ryan was my G-G-Grandfather; father to my G-Grandfather > Dennis Ryan who emigrated to U.S. around 1867-1869. In fact ,one of the > Dennis Ryans I found in my search of Tipp. baptismal records was baptized > 1848, in Borrisoleigh Parish, to John Ryan / Mary Gleeson of Cooleen. > Given > the common nature of the name, it wouldn't be surprising that at least one > John Ryan would acquire such infamy! > > In any case, after further research, I've concluded that my Dennis > belonged > to a different John Ryan family: To John Ryan / Mary Ryan (m. 1843, > Upperchurch), of Coumnageeha; a son Dennis was born and baptized Feb.,1848 > at Upperchurch Parish. The names match between my Dennis' children and > this > family rather closely followed the Naming Convention (with one puzzling > exception). > > Unfortunately for me, there was no parentage or place information given on > this couple's marriage, I have no other documentation about them at all, > and > I'm feeling rather at an impasse to learn more about them or their > antecedents. > > However, on a related note, I was told by one now-deceased family member > that our branch of Ryans was named "Ryan Martin". Has anyone else > encountered that clan or acquired any information thereon? > > ~Roger Hoffmann > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 12:49:36 +1000 > From: Brenda Pilson <brendapilson@yahoo.com.au> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Ryan Martin > To: Roger Hoffmann <ro9er@comcast.net>, "cotipperary@rootsweb.com" > <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1EA1E430-050B-4FDD-8E01-C7F0AA5544A4@yahoo.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Roger, > You would find "Ryan Martin" notations on Griffiths valuations original > page. Martin would be in brackets after the Ryan person listed. It > does not show on the details page, you need to look at the original. > You can view original pages on ask about ireland site. > I first noticed it when looking at my Bennetts from Armagh and it seems > widespread. > In my case it showed Anthony Bennett (James). Anthony was the son of > James and took over the lease when James died. > Regards > Brenda, Melbourne. > >> On 21 Jul 2014, at 11:49 am, Roger Hoffmann via >> <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> However, on a related note, I was told by one now-deceased family member >> that our branch of Ryans was named "Ryan Martin". Has anyone else >> encountered that clan or acquired any information thereon? >>

Just shows how little politicians know doesn't it Haven't a clue have they I wonder when they will start banning newspapers from publishing births & marriages or any item with a name in it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 21/07/2014 12:09, Caroline & Eugene Nolan via wrote: > Because they had no cut off date and so included details for current people > and it could be used for nefarious reasons - see > http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/personal-details-removed-from-site-over-identity-theft-concerns-1.1872741 > > Caroline

Problems at the moment with one site and it may extend to GRO. Apparently there were records available which shouldn't have been; namely records after 1900 and it was believed certain people were making use of these for non genealogical purposes and gathering information on people still living. It will probably take time to remove any records which should not be there. -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leahy via Sent: 21 July 2014 12:05 To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] GRO Research Question Thurles PLU Anybody know why the GRO site is down ? "Civil Records Search temporarily unavailable Published: Friday, 18 July 2014 13:05 Further update will be provided." Same message this morning without the date. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy" <claretuohy2@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] GRO Research Question Thurles PLU > Jim ---SNIP--- > Notice below > The ‘enhanced’ version of the General Register Office’s civil registration > indexes will be > launched online on Thursday 3 July. The database is the one used by GRO > staff and includes valuable additional information such as the mother’s > maiden name in the birth indexes. > It is expected to help researchers narrow down the options and make > identification of ’same name’ entries in the indexes a little easier by > presenting additional data gleaned from the corresponding registers. It > will not, however, include images of the registers or bmd certificates. > The new database will be uploaded to IrishGenealogy.ie, the free records > site run by the > Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht > Regards > Clare > ---SNIP--- When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roger, You would find "Ryan Martin" notations on Griffiths valuations original page. Martin would be in brackets after the Ryan person listed. It does not show on the details page, you need to look at the original. You can view original pages on ask about ireland site. I first noticed it when looking at my Bennetts from Armagh and it seems widespread. In my case it showed Anthony Bennett (James). Anthony was the son of James and took over the lease when James died. Regards Brenda, Melbourne. > On 21 Jul 2014, at 11:49 am, Roger Hoffmann via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > However, on a related note, I was told by one now-deceased family member > that our branch of Ryans was named "Ryan Martin". Has anyone else > encountered that clan or acquired any information thereon? > >

Because they had no cut off date and so included details for current people and it could be used for nefarious reasons - see http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/personal-details-removed-from-site-over-identity-theft-concerns-1.1872741 Caroline -----Original Message----- From: Jim Leahy via Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:04 PM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] GRO Research Question Thurles PLU Anybody know why the GRO site is down ? "Civil Records Search temporarily unavailable Published: Friday, 18 July 2014 13:05 Further update will be provided." Same message this morning without the date. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy" <claretuohy2@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] GRO Research Question Thurles PLU > Jim ---SNIP--- > Notice below > The ‘enhanced’ version of the General Register Office’s civil registration > indexes will be > launched online on Thursday 3 July. The database is the one used by GRO > staff and includes valuable additional information such as the mother’s > maiden name in the birth indexes. > It is expected to help researchers narrow down the options and make > identification of ’same name’ entries in the indexes a little easier by > presenting additional data gleaned from the corresponding registers. It > will not, however, include images of the registers or bmd certificates. > The new database will be uploaded to IrishGenealogy.ie, the free records > site run by the > Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht > Regards > Clare > ---SNIP--- When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger - Ryan Martin is a valid Ryan nickname and found in these places: Curragh; Ballybrack, Donohill; Moheragh, Donohill; Knockdunee/Knockdunne, Glenkeen; Cooleen; Cloneygaheen, Killoscully; Ballymackeogh, Kilvellane; Barna, Kilvellane; Derryleigh, Kilvellane; Rossmore. There may be other places nearby to those. Janet On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Roger Hoffmann via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Ah, if not for the fact that there were so many Tipperary John Ryans, I > might be embarrassed by the infamy of the John Ryan in that article. That's > because a John Ryan was my G-G-Grandfather; father to my G-Grandfather > Dennis Ryan who emigrated to U.S. around 1867-1869. In fact ,one of the > Dennis Ryans I found in my search of Tipp. baptismal records was baptized > 1848, in Borrisoleigh Parish, to John Ryan / Mary Gleeson of Cooleen. Given > the common nature of the name, it wouldn't be surprising that at least one > John Ryan would acquire such infamy! > > In any case, after further research, I've concluded that my Dennis > belonged > to a different John Ryan family: To John Ryan / Mary Ryan (m. 1843, > Upperchurch), of Coumnageeha; a son Dennis was born and baptized Feb.,1848 > at Upperchurch Parish. The names match between my Dennis' children and > this > family rather closely followed the Naming Convention (with one puzzling > exception). > > Unfortunately for me, there was no parentage or place information given on > this couple's marriage, I have no other documentation about them at all, > and > I'm feeling rather at an impasse to learn more about them or their > antecedents. > > However, on a related note, I was told by one now-deceased family member > that our branch of Ryans was named "Ryan Martin". Has anyone else > encountered that clan or acquired any information thereon? > > ~Roger Hoffmann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:00 AM > Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 50 > > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > > with. > > Thank You. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. QUINLISK - RYAN (Gay Young) > > 2. Brien KENNEDY - Bill of sale dated 1802 regarding slaves > > (Gay Young) > > 3. QUINLISK - RYAN (Gay Young) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:58:03 -0700 > > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <A3BD6102-B340-4D1F-BE44-3BF736D0046D@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > London Times - 9 Oct 1838 > > > > About six weeks ago a poor woman, named Peggy Quinlisk, of Cullehill, in > > the district of Borrisoleigh, was struck with a shovel on the head by a > > notorious ruffian, named John Ryan (who has earned for himself the > > soubriquet of Bonaparte, in consequence of his destructive propensities), > > from the effects of which she died on Saturday last, after lingering in > > great agony since she received the injury. The only cause for this > > atrocious act is, that the deceased was merely scraping manure on the > road > > side, in doing which Ryan fancied she encroached upon his rights, and > > then, felled her to the earth. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:00:37 -0700 > > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Brien KENNEDY - Bill of sale dated 1802 > > regarding slaves > > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <7A04AD79-8D55-4EAA-8464-BC312F5FA72A@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Bill of Sale > > State of South Carolina > > > > Know all Men by there Presents, that > > > > the William Muir and William Boyd, attornies for Brien Kennedy, Esq, now > > of Tiperare Ireland > > > > for and in consideration of the sum of Five hundred pounds to us in hand > > paid, at and before the sealing and delivery of these presents > > > > by O B Smith > > > > the receipt whereof we do hereby acknowledge, to have bargained and sold, > > and by these presents do bargain, sell and deliver to the said > > > > O B Smith, the following negroes, seven in number, Mark, Carbery, July, > > Rose, Nancy, Jenny and child > > > > to have and to hold the said seven negroes and their future issue and ma > . > > . . . > > > > unto the said O B Smith, his executors, administrators and assigns, to > > him, and his own proper use and behoof forever. > > > > and we the said William Muir and William Boyd attornies for Brien Kennedy > > Esq > > executors and administrators, the said bargained premises unto the said > > > > O B Smith, his executors, administrators and assigns, from and against > all > > persons shall and will warrant and forever defend by these presents. > > > > In witness whereof, we have hereunto set our hands and seals. Dated in > > Charleston, this seventeenth day of July in the year of our Lord one > > thousand eight hundred and two and of the Independence of the United > > States of America, the twenty-seventh. > > > > Signed, sealed and delivered in the presence of L Ogier, Charleston > > > > Lewis Ogier made oath he was present and saw William Muir and William > Boyd > > sign, seal . . . as their act . . . deed deliver the written Bill of > > Sale to and for the . . . purposes therein mentioned and that he signed > > his name as a witness to the same sworn to before me this 27 July 1802. > > > > Isaac Motte Dart > > 27 July 1802 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:03:51 -0700 > > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <E0B29B32-C978-4A57-A025-23A54A6D0137@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > London Times - 9 Oct 1838 > > > > About six weeks ago a poor woman, named Peggy Quinlisk, of Cullehill, in > > the district of Borrisoleigh, was struck with a shovel on the head by a > > notorious ruffian, named John Ryan (who has earned for himself the > > soubriquet of Bonaparte, in consequence of his destructive propensities), > > from the effects of which she died on Saturday last, after lingering in > > great agony since she received the injury. The only cause for this > > atrocious act is, that the deceased was merely scraping manure on the > road > > side, in doing which Ryan fancied she encroached upon his rights, and > > then, felled her to the earth. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to > > COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 50 > > ****************************************** > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Roger I have a partial list of Ryan nicknames from Griffiths in North Tipperary and have 3 entries for Ryan (Martin) 2 for James Ryan (Martin) in Cooleen townland Kilcomenty civil parish 1 for Patrick Ryan (Martin) in Knockdunnee townland in Glenkeen civil parish. You can search for these in Griffiths at www.askaboutireland.ie Hope this is of interest. Regards Clare On 21 July 2014 02:49, Roger Hoffmann via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Ah, if not for the fact that there were so many Tipperary John Ryans, I > might be embarrassed by the infamy of the John Ryan in that article. That's > because a John Ryan was my G-G-Grandfather; father to my G-Grandfather > Dennis Ryan who emigrated to U.S. around 1867-1869. In fact ,one of the > Dennis Ryans I found in my search of Tipp. baptismal records was baptized > 1848, in Borrisoleigh Parish, to John Ryan / Mary Gleeson of Cooleen. Given > the common nature of the name, it wouldn't be surprising that at least one > John Ryan would acquire such infamy! > > In any case, after further research, I've concluded that my Dennis > belonged > to a different John Ryan family: To John Ryan / Mary Ryan (m. 1843, > Upperchurch), of Coumnageeha; a son Dennis was born and baptized Feb.,1848 > at Upperchurch Parish. The names match between my Dennis' children and > this > family rather closely followed the Naming Convention (with one puzzling > exception). > > Unfortunately for me, there was no parentage or place information given on > this couple's marriage, I have no other documentation about them at all, > and > I'm feeling rather at an impasse to learn more about them or their > antecedents. > > However, on a related note, I was told by one now-deceased family member > that our branch of Ryans was named "Ryan Martin". Has anyone else > encountered that clan or acquired any information thereon? > > ~Roger Hoffmann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:00 AM > Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 50 > > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > > with. > > Thank You. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. QUINLISK - RYAN (Gay Young) > > 2. Brien KENNEDY - Bill of sale dated 1802 regarding slaves > > (Gay Young) > > 3. QUINLISK - RYAN (Gay Young) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:58:03 -0700 > > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <A3BD6102-B340-4D1F-BE44-3BF736D0046D@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > London Times - 9 Oct 1838 > > > > About six weeks ago a poor woman, named Peggy Quinlisk, of Cullehill, in > > the district of Borrisoleigh, was struck with a shovel on the head by a > > notorious ruffian, named John Ryan (who has earned for himself the > > soubriquet of Bonaparte, in consequence of his destructive propensities), > > from the effects of which she died on Saturday last, after lingering in > > great agony since she received the injury. The only cause for this > > atrocious act is, that the deceased was merely scraping manure on the > road > > side, in doing which Ryan fancied she encroached upon his rights, and > > then, felled her to the earth. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:00:37 -0700 > > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Brien KENNEDY - Bill of sale dated 1802 > > regarding slaves > > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <7A04AD79-8D55-4EAA-8464-BC312F5FA72A@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Bill of Sale > > State of South Carolina > > > > Know all Men by there Presents, that > > > > the William Muir and William Boyd, attornies for Brien Kennedy, Esq, now > > of Tiperare Ireland > > > > for and in consideration of the sum of Five hundred pounds to us in hand > > paid, at and before the sealing and delivery of these presents > > > > by O B Smith > > > > the receipt whereof we do hereby acknowledge, to have bargained and sold, > > and by these presents do bargain, sell and deliver to the said > > > > O B Smith, the following negroes, seven in number, Mark, Carbery, July, > > Rose, Nancy, Jenny and child > > > > to have and to hold the said seven negroes and their future issue and ma > . > > . . . > > > > unto the said O B Smith, his executors, administrators and assigns, to > > him, and his own proper use and behoof forever. > > > > and we the said William Muir and William Boyd attornies for Brien Kennedy > > Esq > > executors and administrators, the said bargained premises unto the said > > > > O B Smith, his executors, administrators and assigns, from and against > all > > persons shall and will warrant and forever defend by these presents. > > > > In witness whereof, we have hereunto set our hands and seals. Dated in > > Charleston, this seventeenth day of July in the year of our Lord one > > thousand eight hundred and two and of the Independence of the United > > States of America, the twenty-seventh. > > > > Signed, sealed and delivered in the presence of L Ogier, Charleston > > > > Lewis Ogier made oath he was present and saw William Muir and William > Boyd > > sign, seal . . . as their act . . . deed deliver the written Bill of > > Sale to and for the . . . purposes therein mentioned and that he signed > > his name as a witness to the same sworn to before me this 27 July 1802. > > > > Isaac Motte Dart > > 27 July 1802 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:03:51 -0700 > > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <E0B29B32-C978-4A57-A025-23A54A6D0137@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > London Times - 9 Oct 1838 > > > > About six weeks ago a poor woman, named Peggy Quinlisk, of Cullehill, in > > the district of Borrisoleigh, was struck with a shovel on the head by a > > notorious ruffian, named John Ryan (who has earned for himself the > > soubriquet of Bonaparte, in consequence of his destructive propensities), > > from the effects of which she died on Saturday last, after lingering in > > great agony since she received the injury. The only cause for this > > atrocious act is, that the deceased was merely scraping manure on the > road > > side, in doing which Ryan fancied she encroached upon his rights, and > > then, felled her to the earth. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to > > COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 50 > > ****************************************** > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anybody know why the GRO site is down ? "Civil Records Search temporarily unavailable Published: Friday, 18 July 2014 13:05 Further update will be provided." Same message this morning without the date. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy" <claretuohy2@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] GRO Research Question Thurles PLU > Jim ---SNIP--- > Notice below > The ‘enhanced’ version of the General Register Office’s civil registration > indexes will be > launched online on Thursday 3 July. The database is the one used by GRO > staff and includes valuable additional information such as the mother’s > maiden name in the birth indexes. > It is expected to help researchers narrow down the options and make > identification of ’same name’ entries in the indexes a little easier by > presenting additional data gleaned from the corresponding registers. It > will not, however, include images of the registers or bmd certificates. > The new database will be uploaded to IrishGenealogy.ie, the free records > site run by the > Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht > Regards > Clare > ---SNIP---

Ah, if not for the fact that there were so many Tipperary John Ryans, I might be embarrassed by the infamy of the John Ryan in that article. That's because a John Ryan was my G-G-Grandfather; father to my G-Grandfather Dennis Ryan who emigrated to U.S. around 1867-1869. In fact ,one of the Dennis Ryans I found in my search of Tipp. baptismal records was baptized 1848, in Borrisoleigh Parish, to John Ryan / Mary Gleeson of Cooleen. Given the common nature of the name, it wouldn't be surprising that at least one John Ryan would acquire such infamy! In any case, after further research, I've concluded that my Dennis belonged to a different John Ryan family: To John Ryan / Mary Ryan (m. 1843, Upperchurch), of Coumnageeha; a son Dennis was born and baptized Feb.,1848 at Upperchurch Parish. The names match between my Dennis' children and this family rather closely followed the Naming Convention (with one puzzling exception). Unfortunately for me, there was no parentage or place information given on this couple's marriage, I have no other documentation about them at all, and I'm feeling rather at an impasse to learn more about them or their antecedents. However, on a related note, I was told by one now-deceased family member that our branch of Ryans was named "Ryan Martin". Has anyone else encountered that clan or acquired any information thereon? ~Roger Hoffmann ----- Original Message ----- From: <cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:00 AM Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 50 > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > with. > Thank You. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. QUINLISK - RYAN (Gay Young) > 2. Brien KENNEDY - Bill of sale dated 1802 regarding slaves > (Gay Young) > 3. QUINLISK - RYAN (Gay Young) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:58:03 -0700 > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <A3BD6102-B340-4D1F-BE44-3BF736D0046D@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > London Times - 9 Oct 1838 > > About six weeks ago a poor woman, named Peggy Quinlisk, of Cullehill, in > the district of Borrisoleigh, was struck with a shovel on the head by a > notorious ruffian, named John Ryan (who has earned for himself the > soubriquet of Bonaparte, in consequence of his destructive propensities), > from the effects of which she died on Saturday last, after lingering in > great agony since she received the injury. The only cause for this > atrocious act is, that the deceased was merely scraping manure on the road > side, in doing which Ryan fancied she encroached upon his rights, and > then, felled her to the earth. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:00:37 -0700 > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Brien KENNEDY - Bill of sale dated 1802 > regarding slaves > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <7A04AD79-8D55-4EAA-8464-BC312F5FA72A@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Bill of Sale > State of South Carolina > > Know all Men by there Presents, that > > the William Muir and William Boyd, attornies for Brien Kennedy, Esq, now > of Tiperare Ireland > > for and in consideration of the sum of Five hundred pounds to us in hand > paid, at and before the sealing and delivery of these presents > > by O B Smith > > the receipt whereof we do hereby acknowledge, to have bargained and sold, > and by these presents do bargain, sell and deliver to the said > > O B Smith, the following negroes, seven in number, Mark, Carbery, July, > Rose, Nancy, Jenny and child > > to have and to hold the said seven negroes and their future issue and ma . > . . . > > unto the said O B Smith, his executors, administrators and assigns, to > him, and his own proper use and behoof forever. > > and we the said William Muir and William Boyd attornies for Brien Kennedy > Esq > executors and administrators, the said bargained premises unto the said > > O B Smith, his executors, administrators and assigns, from and against all > persons shall and will warrant and forever defend by these presents. > > In witness whereof, we have hereunto set our hands and seals. Dated in > Charleston, this seventeenth day of July in the year of our Lord one > thousand eight hundred and two and of the Independence of the United > States of America, the twenty-seventh. > > Signed, sealed and delivered in the presence of L Ogier, Charleston > > Lewis Ogier made oath he was present and saw William Muir and William Boyd > sign, seal . . . as their act . . . deed deliver the written Bill of > Sale to and for the . . . purposes therein mentioned and that he signed > his name as a witness to the same sworn to before me this 27 July 1802. > > Isaac Motte Dart > 27 July 1802 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:03:51 -0700 > From: Gay Young <gyoungest@gmail.com> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] QUINLISK - RYAN > To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <E0B29B32-C978-4A57-A025-23A54A6D0137@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > London Times - 9 Oct 1838 > > About six weeks ago a poor woman, named Peggy Quinlisk, of Cullehill, in > the district of Borrisoleigh, was struck with a shovel on the head by a > notorious ruffian, named John Ryan (who has earned for himself the > soubriquet of Bonaparte, in consequence of his destructive propensities), > from the effects of which she died on Saturday last, after lingering in > great agony since she received the injury. The only cause for this > atrocious act is, that the deceased was merely scraping manure on the road > side, in doing which Ryan fancied she encroached upon his rights, and > then, felled her to the earth. > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to > COTIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to > COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 50 > ******************************************