Hello, Listers. Can someone please help me shortcut finding a source for years Griffith's Valuation was being scribed (data collected)...not the year published. Specifically looking for: Co: Tipperary, North Riding, Barony: Ormond, Lower, Union: Borrisokane, Parish: Terryglass. THANKS! TinaMichigan

Hi Clare It was fairly common all over the UK for the fist born to be at home and baptised in the mothers home parish Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/08/2014 09:49, Clare Tuohy via wrote: > I have found some baptisms where the mother went back to her own home to > give birth especially first births - wanting to have her mother on hand > for the birth?- so perhaps you could try the mother's home parish. > > Clare

I have found some baptisms where the mother went back to her own home to give birth especially first births - wanting to have her mother on hand for the birth?- so perhaps you could try the mother's home parish. Clare On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Janet Crawford via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Pat, The only other time I have heard it done was if the priest in the home > parish was a very close rele of the mother of the child, i.e. perhaps a > brother, and the mother wanted her brother/ cousin to baptize the first > child. It would not be a common occurrence. There would have been fees to > be shared or lost, you see. > > Janet > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Patricia Petrizzo via < > cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > In a current thread on baptisms, Janet posted:"First, if Honora Power was > > the child's natural mother, she is having her > > child baptized in her own parish."I have a family in which I cannot find > > the baptism for the eldest child. Was it typical (or even likely) for > the > > mother to return to her birth parish to baptise the eldest child, even > > though she had already relocated/moved to her husband's home parish? > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > with. > > Thank You. > > > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pat, The only other time I have heard it done was if the priest in the home parish was a very close rele of the mother of the child, i.e. perhaps a brother, and the mother wanted her brother/ cousin to baptize the first child. It would not be a common occurrence. There would have been fees to be shared or lost, you see. Janet On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Patricia Petrizzo via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > In a current thread on baptisms, Janet posted:"First, if Honora Power was > the child's natural mother, she is having her > child baptized in her own parish."I have a family in which I cannot find > the baptism for the eldest child. Was it typical (or even likely) for the > mother to return to her birth parish to baptise the eldest child, even > though she had already relocated/moved to her husband's home parish? > Pat > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On the subject of Church records. I have seen illigit. and pauper written. Also seen where the father's name should have been written - anybodys. I believe children born outside of marriage were baptised at midnight, in the distant past. On the 1901 Census of Ireland, a question was asked - Was there anyone in the household classed as an Imbecile a Lunatic or an Idiot. The Psychiatric hospitals were called Lunatic Assylums. At that time, nobody saw it as offensive to use those words. The word bastard was another word in everyday language. I still think that Church records should be freely available to the people. They belong to the people. Bee.

In a current thread on baptisms, Janet posted:"First, if Honora Power was the child's natural mother, she is having her child baptized in her own parish."I have a family in which I cannot find the baptism for the eldest child. Was it typical (or even likely) for the mother to return to her birth parish to baptise the eldest child, even though she had already relocated/moved to her husband's home parish? Pat

Tom, et al, Let me add another little bit of information on society in old Ireland. We think almost nothing about children born to unmarried parents today, but in those days the sins of the father really were visited upon the child. The father suffered little to nothing for the indiscretion, but the child suffered all. These children became a sort of sub-strata of society. They couldn't marry a child of a legitimate marriage as that was just not done. HOWEVER, if one illegitimate child legally married in church another illegitimate child,it seems all sin was swept away and their children were free to marry anyone. They were usually of a lower class because the father had been unable to inherit anything from his natural father, so there was still some suffering and no dowries to be given. Janet

I first came across this usage in a Limerick parish register relating to a person who had been born in the 1820s and emigrated as a young woman. I reflected on her having thought she was reinventing herself in a new land (Iowa), never thinking that a couple of centuries later, a family-tracing inquisitor would come upon what had been the "shame" of the life she had left. I had trouble reading the scrawled word and asked the PP what it was. He seemed a bit embarrassed, saying "Oh, they were a bit uncharitable in those days." Then, seeing that a father (with different surname from the mother) was also listed, added "And they usually named the wrong man." The bad breath of the past coming down to us from the original hand-written records. --Tom Bohan > On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:00 AM, cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: (no subject) (Cara) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:06:58 +1000 > From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] (no subject) > To: <tomelliott@talktalk.net>, <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F139D2756ECB4EC7857A4F8B5DA37EE5@ColmTOSH> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The only thing that Janet did not cover in her absolutely brilliant answer ( > which I suggest everyone file for future reference ) was that > > Illigit ~ could have covered a Protestant and a Catholic marriage ~ many a > parish man ( either religions wrote the derogatory words in a parish > register ) most catholic men wrote ill or illigit and in Church of Ireland > they use the terrible word ( bastard_ by the way I apologise for even > writing this word here) but one must face things as they were in as Janet > put it * Old Ireland* > > > Did you also know that years on if that word was found in the register it > had a bearing on that child's life forever. > > Note I said Could > > Cheers > Cara > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to > COTIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 77 > ******************************************

The only thing that Janet did not cover in her absolutely brilliant answer ( which I suggest everyone file for future reference ) was that Illigit ~ could have covered a Protestant and a Catholic marriage ~ many a parish man ( either religions wrote the derogatory words in a parish register ) most catholic men wrote ill or illigit and in Church of Ireland they use the terrible word ( bastard_ by the way I apologise for even writing this word here) but one must face things as they were in as Janet put it * Old Ireland* Did you also know that years on if that word was found in the register it had a bearing on that child's life forever. Note I said Could Cheers Cara

Ann, I have been able to match up the 10 known illegitimate children of my 3rd great-grandfather with baptisms in Murroe parish, and others, with their natural mothers [and with him as the father] and with the 2nd baptisms, call them "adoptions", with him again and his legal wife, some of which indicate the child's natural mother's name in the priest's notes. The child's given name stays the same, but the mother's name changes. I understand that in many parishes these baptism-adoptions took place at midnight for privacy's sake. Janet On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:41 PM, AnnL7777 via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > What evidence is there of a 2nd baptism? That would never happen. > Baptism is good for life. > Ann > > > In a message dated 8/10/2014 12:04:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Janet > Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> writes: > > > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:01:45 +0100 > From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] (no subject) > To: "tomelliott@talktalk.net" <tomelliott@talktalk.net>, > cotipperary@rootsweb.com > > Hi Tom, From the experience with my 3rd great-grandfather and his hoard of > children, I can give you a few hints to follow up. > First, if Honora Power was the child's natural mother, she is having her > child baptized in her own parish. Her birth record should be there. Thomas > Elliott may or may not be from the same parish. If Thomas was married, he > would have married in his wife's parish, which may be another one > entirely. > At some point - from that very same day up to 14 years later, Thomas and > his legal wife may have "adopted" his child, James. It will be the 2nd > baptism for James and will include no indication of his age at that point > unless the priest happened to make a note. This baptism will probably > occur > in the parish in which Thomas and his wife are living. > It is very likely that Thomas will give money to James to emigrate as he > will have no chance to inherit the home farm as that would disrupt the > dowry and inheritance scheme of Thomas and his legal wife and her father > and her dowry. I would look for an emigration from 16 years up to some > years later and likely a paid passage. > None of these actions mean that James was not loved by his father and > likely his natural mother and step-mother as well. It is the way religion > and life worked in old Ireland. > > Janet > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What evidence is there of a 2nd baptism? That would never happen. Baptism is good for life. Ann In a message dated 8/10/2014 12:04:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> writes: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:01:45 +0100 From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] (no subject) To: "tomelliott@talktalk.net" <tomelliott@talktalk.net>, cotipperary@rootsweb.com Hi Tom, From the experience with my 3rd great-grandfather and his hoard of children, I can give you a few hints to follow up. First, if Honora Power was the child's natural mother, she is having her child baptized in her own parish. Her birth record should be there. Thomas Elliott may or may not be from the same parish. If Thomas was married, he would have married in his wife's parish, which may be another one entirely. At some point - from that very same day up to 14 years later, Thomas and his legal wife may have "adopted" his child, James. It will be the 2nd baptism for James and will include no indication of his age at that point unless the priest happened to make a note. This baptism will probably occur in the parish in which Thomas and his wife are living. It is very likely that Thomas will give money to James to emigrate as he will have no chance to inherit the home farm as that would disrupt the dowry and inheritance scheme of Thomas and his legal wife and her father and her dowry. I would look for an emigration from 16 years up to some years later and likely a paid passage. None of these actions mean that James was not loved by his father and likely his natural mother and step-mother as well. It is the way religion and life worked in old Ireland. Janet

dear Janet thank you so much Thomas Elliott ----Original Message---- From: reojan@gmail.com Date: 09/08/2014 08:01 To: "tomelliott@talktalk.net"<tomelliott@talktalk.net>, <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Subj: Re: [COTIPPERARY] (no subject) Hi Tom, From the experience with my 3rd great-grandfather and his hoard of children, I can give you a few hints to follow up. First, if Honora Power was the child's natural mother, she is having her child baptized in her own parish. Her birth record should be there. Thomas Elliott may or may not be from the same parish. If Thomas was married, he would have married in his wife's parish, which may be another one entirely. At some point - from that very same day up to 14 years later, Thomas and his legal wife may have "adopted" his child, James. It will be the 2nd baptism for James and will include no indication of his age at that point unless the priest happened to make a note. This baptism will probably occur in the parish in which Thomas and his wife are living. It is very likely that Thomas will give money to James to emigrate as he will have no chance to inherit the home farm as that would disrupt the dowry and inheritance scheme of Thomas and his legal wife and her father and her dowry. I would look for an emigration from 16 years up to some years later and likely a paid passage. None of these actions mean that James was not loved by his father and likely his natural mother and step-mother as well. It is the way religion and life worked in old Ireland. Janet On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM, tomelliott@talktalk.net via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: On the 15/3/1844 in golden and kilfeacle James Elliot was baptised (illigit) Of thos Elliot and Honora Power.I would like to know what happened to the three of them Thomas Elliott When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tom, From the experience with my 3rd great-grandfather and his hoard of children, I can give you a few hints to follow up. First, if Honora Power was the child's natural mother, she is having her child baptized in her own parish. Her birth record should be there. Thomas Elliott may or may not be from the same parish. If Thomas was married, he would have married in his wife's parish, which may be another one entirely. At some point - from that very same day up to 14 years later, Thomas and his legal wife may have "adopted" his child, James. It will be the 2nd baptism for James and will include no indication of his age at that point unless the priest happened to make a note. This baptism will probably occur in the parish in which Thomas and his wife are living. It is very likely that Thomas will give money to James to emigrate as he will have no chance to inherit the home farm as that would disrupt the dowry and inheritance scheme of Thomas and his legal wife and her father and her dowry. I would look for an emigration from 16 years up to some years later and likely a paid passage. None of these actions mean that James was not loved by his father and likely his natural mother and step-mother as well. It is the way religion and life worked in old Ireland. Janet On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM, tomelliott@talktalk.net via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On the 15/3/1844 in golden and kilfeacle James Elliot was baptised > (illigit) Of thos Elliot and Honora Power.I would like to know what > happened to the three of them Thomas Elliott > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On the 15/3/1844 in golden and kilfeacle James Elliot was baptised (illigit) Of thos Elliot and Honora Power.I would like to know what happened to the three of them Thomas Elliott

Betty Great to see you are still there to help us . Have not progressed with my Ryan and Tobin of Bansha , but not given up hope . Trust all is well Laurie Thompson Australia -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Gough via Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2014 8:24 PM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Clonmel Co. Tipp./Waterford??? Lance Geographically, Clonmel is on County Tipperary. However, it is in the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore. Diocese don't stick to county boundaries. The diocese of Waterford and Lismore comes up as far as and includes the parish and town of Cahir. Betty

Here it is in Placenames: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Irish-Placename-Studies/conversations/messages/1590 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Irish-Placename-Studies/conversations/messages/1598 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Irish-Placename-Studies/conversations/messages/1599 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Irish-Placename-Studies/conversations/messages/1603 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Irish-Placename-Studies/conversations/messages/1607 Janet On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Ed, I see the years where the boundary changed in the Appendix in > your link. You get a 2nd thanks for giving me a handy site for the Reg > districts. The discussion re the county line change may be in the > Placenames list on Yahoo. I have to dig that out later. > > Janet > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Ed Madden <edmadden@spiritone.com> wrote: > >> Good morning Lance and Tippers, >> >> Here is a great finding aid by Michael J Thompson, 2012 is titled >> Registration *Districts of Ireland: An Alphabetical List of the >> Registration Districts of Ireland with Details of Counties, Sub­Districts >> and Adjacent Districts.* >> http://genealogyresearch.org.uk/IRL_RegistrationDistricts1871.pdf >> >> It's 31 pages includes Maps of Ireland showing Counties and Registration >> Districts; Alphabetical listing of Registration Districts giving also >> sub-districts and adjacent Registration Districts; Registration Districts >> listed by County; Alphabetical listing of Sub-Districts; and Registration >> District boundary changes between 1841and 1911. >> >> Its a quick way to find the various "Districts". It does not explain >> "why" as that is a really long history, of Ireland. >> >> best, >> Ed Madden >> Ridgefield, WA >> >> On 8/5/2014 1:21 AM, Janet Crawford via wrote: >> >> The county line between Tipperary and Waterford changed/moved and there is >> discussion about this in either or both archives as well. >> The address for the archives is at the bottom of all messages for the lists. >> >> Janet >> >> Dear List Members, >> Still I am a bit confused at the fact that St Mary’s is in Clonmel, and Clonmel is in >> Tipperary, why does it say Waterford? Can anybody help me locate this or explain Clonmel in Waterford? >> >> Regards, >> Lance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Thanks, Ed, I see the years where the boundary changed in the Appendix in your link. You get a 2nd thanks for giving me a handy site for the Reg districts. The discussion re the county line change may be in the Placenames list on Yahoo. I have to dig that out later. Janet On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Ed Madden <edmadden@spiritone.com> wrote: > Good morning Lance and Tippers, > > Here is a great finding aid by Michael J Thompson, 2012 is titled > Registration *Districts of Ireland: An Alphabetical List of the > Registration Districts of Ireland with Details of Counties, Sub­Districts > and Adjacent Districts.* > http://genealogyresearch.org.uk/IRL_RegistrationDistricts1871.pdf > > It's 31 pages includes Maps of Ireland showing Counties and Registration > Districts; Alphabetical listing of Registration Districts giving also > sub-districts and adjacent Registration Districts; Registration Districts > listed by County; Alphabetical listing of Sub-Districts; and Registration > District boundary changes between 1841and 1911. > > Its a quick way to find the various "Districts". It does not explain "why" > as that is a really long history, of Ireland. > > best, > Ed Madden > Ridgefield, WA > > On 8/5/2014 1:21 AM, Janet Crawford via wrote: > > The county line between Tipperary and Waterford changed/moved and there is > discussion about this in either or both archives as well. > The address for the archives is at the bottom of all messages for the lists. > > Janet > > Dear List Members, > Still I am a bit confused at the fact that St Mary’s is in Clonmel, and Clonmel is in > Tipperary, why does it say Waterford? Can anybody help me locate this or explain Clonmel in Waterford? > > Regards, > Lance > > > > > > > >

Thank you, Betty. My Tipperary ancestor was baptised at St. Mary's, Clonmel. Wanda Crawford Victoria, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Betty Gough via Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 3:23 AM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Clonmel Co. Tipp./Waterford??? Lance Geographically, Clonmel is on County Tipperary. However, it is in the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore. Diocese don't stick to county boundaries. The diocese of Waterford and Lismore comes up as far as and includes the parish and town of Cahir. Likewise, the diocese of Cashel and Emly goes into part of Co. Limerick. It does not cover part of the northern part of the county either. North of Borrisoleigh is in the diocese of Killaloe. Also, Killaloe diocese goes up to Birr in Co. Offaly and goes right to the sea in west Clare. This applies all over the country. Betty. When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lance Geographically, Clonmel is on County Tipperary. However, it is in the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore. Diocese don't stick to county boundaries. The diocese of Waterford and Lismore comes up as far as and includes the parish and town of Cahir. Likewise, the diocese of Cashel and Emly goes into part of Co. Limerick. It does not cover part of the northern part of the county either. North of Borrisoleigh is in the diocese of Killaloe. Also, Killaloe diocese goes up to Birr in Co. Offaly and goes right to the sea in west Clare. This applies all over the country. Betty.

Lance, I assume that you have searched the archives of both lists - CoTipperary and Waterford for your family names. The county line between Tipperary and Waterford changed/moved and there is discussion about this in either or both archives as well. The address for the archives is at the bottom of all messages for the lists. I also assume that the date you used for Mary Tobin [1767] should actually be 1867?? Janet On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance L. Piatt via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Dear List Members, > > I did subscribe to the RootsIreland Website on the behalf of my friend and > was able to locate the the baptism of Ellen O’BRIEN, the marriage of Roger > O’BRIEN and Mary TOBIN, in addition I was able to locate the death of Roger > O’BRIEN at the Lismore Workhouse and the baptism of Roger O’BRIEN in > Clonmel, who’s parents were listed as Denis BRIEN and Ellen DWYER. > > Now, I am still a novice on the website, and I was unable to locate the > marriage between Denis BRIEN and Ellen DWYER. Their son Roger was > baptized 31 mar 1801 at St Mary’s Clonmel, County Waterford. Still I am a > bit confused at the fact that St Mary’s is in Clonmel, and Clonmel is in > Tipperary, why does it say Waterford? Can anybody help me locate this > marriage and/or explain Clonmel in Waterford? > > Next problem. Mary TOBIN evidently came to America after her husband’s, > in 1767, for she is found in the 1870 Us Census. Her 1875 death record > does not indicate who her parents were or where she was born other than > Ireland, but does say she was 75 years old. My search for Mary TOBIN born > in Tipperary and Waterford in 1800 +/- 5 years turned up 22 Mary TOBINs. > Anybody have any idea how I might be able to find out who her parents were? > > Final question, is there any lists on the inmates of the Lismore Workhouse? > > Thanks everyone. My buddy is very excited. This is his first confirmed > connection to Ireland. This is all good news for the O’BRIEN family here > in America. The information is spreading like wildfire throughout the > family. > > Regards, > Lance > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >