Thanks Ed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Madden via" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>; "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com>; <bevrodan@iinet.net.au>; <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Mahar/Maher; Celebration of the O'Meachair & Ikerrin > Don't know if all you Mahar/Maher folks were aware of the celebration of > the O'Meachair / Maher / Meagher clan& their ancient homeland the Barony > of Ikerrin held Fri 22 & Sat 23 Aug. > > Here are some links that might help you connect: > http://www.omeachairofikerrin.com > https://www.facebook.com/OMeachair2014 > > http://www.irelandxo.com/group/bourney-bournea-tipperary > https://www.facebook.com/IrelandReachingOutBourneaParishGroup > > http://roscreathroughtheages.org/ > https://www.facebook.com/Roscreathroughtheages?ref=stream > > best, > Ed Madden > Ridgefield, WA > > On 8/30/2014 6:10 AM, Janet Crawford via wrote: >> Beverly Ann, There are Hourigan's still in Lattin, Shronell and >> Ballinglanna - lots in Ballinglanna and one leases the field below me. >> Come on over and meet them all. >> Are you one of Aggi-Rose's Reddin/Rodan's? >> >> Janet >> >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Beverley-Anne Rodan via < >> cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> Hello Carole, Carmen and others on the Tipperary list. >> >> I have two with similar names from areas possibly close to Solohead. >> Norah Mahar married to Richard Hourigan, their son Richard born in >> Limerick c 1836 >> possibly >> Griffiths Valuation has in Clanwilliam, Parish of Shronell, Townland of >> Ballinglanna >> Richard Hourigan, occupier, >> >> Ellen Maher married to Thomas Hennerbury, their daughter Alice born c1817 >> Tipperary. >> possibly >> Ballygriffin Civil Parish >> Clanwilliam Barony >> Cashel & Tipperary Poor Law Unions >> House Books, pre Griffiths valuation >> Date: 1846-47 >> Henebry Thomas Ballynahinch Ballygriffin >> I would love to hear from any Maher, Mahar, Meagher descendants from >> these >> areas. >> Beverley-Anne Rodan >> >> Carol, I have Meagher/Maher and Dwyer's in my Reardon/Hanley tree. >> On the Meagher name I have a Mary Meagher married to Dermot Riordan about >> 1809 in Solohead RC Parish, Co. Tipperary. Dermot & Mary are the paternal >> grandparents of Mary Riordan/Reardon Hanley above. >> >> That is what I have. Don't know if any of the pieces fit your puzzle. >> >> Carmen D. >> Pittsburgh > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>From what I understood, the Russells were Normans that came to the UK and Ireland in 1066. The Normans were actually Norse who had settled in Normandy. Liz -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford via Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:19 PM To: Thomas L Bohan ; cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Russell; Edmond Tom, I don't think it was English. There is a family of Russell from Adare and Limerick City and theirs is an anglicization of Creevagh or Creagh. Janet On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Thomas L Bohan via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Liz—Your comment about “Edmond” has struck a bell. The only other > person in my generation of the family who was an ardent family historian > argued that our grandfather’s name must have been “Edmund” rather than > “Edmond,” based on her theory that the former was the Irish spelling and > the latter the English. I was pleased to be able to clinch my contention > that “Edmond” was the correct spelling when I came across a letter written > by our grandfather in 1875 in which he quotes his mother (Anastasia > Russell, 1795-1874) addressing him by name. I have always thought that > the name entered the Bohan line (I had a number of Bohan first cousins and > descendants given the name) because of Anastasia Russell and that it was > long a Russell family name before that. > > That thought leads to another one. One of my father’s first cousins was > named Michael Bohan Russell (son of one of my grandfather’s two sisters > who > married Russells who traveled across the Atlantic with them). He grew up > in > Blue Earth County, Minnesota, and his bio is featured in the county book > published around 1910. It reported him to be a strong supporter of > Ireland, which won over his Irish neighbors who had initially been > suspicious of him because of “his English surname” (Russell). —Tom > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Beverly Ann, There are Hourigan's still in Lattin, Shronell and Ballinglanna - lots in Ballinglanna and one leases the field below me. Come on over and meet them all. Are you one of Aggi-Rose's Reddin/Rodan's? Janet On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Beverley-Anne Rodan via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Carole, Carmen and others on the Tipperary list. > > I have two with similar names from areas possibly close to Solohead. > > > Norah Mahar married to Richard Hourigan, their son Richard born in > Limerick c 1836 > possibly > Griffiths Valuation has in Clanwilliam, Parish of Shronell, Townland of > Ballinglanna > Richard Hourigan, occupier, > > > Ellen Maher married to Thomas Hennerbury, their daughter Alice born c1817 > Tipperary. > possibly > Ballygriffin Civil Parish > Clanwilliam Barony > Cashel & Tipperary Poor Law Unions > House Books, pre Griffiths valuation > Date: 1846-47 > Henebry Thomas Ballynahinch Ballygriffin > > > I would love to hear from any Maher, Mahar, Meagher descendants from these > areas. > > Beverley-Anne Rodan > > > > > > Carol, I have Meagher/Maher and Dwyer's in my Reardon/Hanley tree. > > > > > On the Meagher name I have a Mary Meagher married to Dermot Riordan about > > 1809 in Solohead RC Parish, Co. Tipperary. Dermot & Mary are the paternal > > grandparents of Mary Riordan/Reardon Hanley above. > > > > That is what I have. Don't know if any of the pieces fit your puzzle. > > > > Carmen D. > > Pittsburgh > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Dear Liz—Your comment about “Edmond” has struck a bell. The only other person in my generation of the family who was an ardent family historian argued that our grandfather’s name must have been “Edmund” rather than “Edmond,” based on her theory that the former was the Irish spelling and the latter the English. I was pleased to be able to clinch my contention that “Edmond” was the correct spelling when I came across a letter written by our grandfather in 1875 in which he quotes his mother (Anastasia Russell, 1795-1874) addressing him by name. I have always thought that the name entered the Bohan line (I had a number of Bohan first cousins and descendants given the name) because of Anastasia Russell and that it was long a Russell family name before that. That thought leads to another one. One of my father’s first cousins was named Michael Bohan Russell (son of one of my grandfather’s two sisters who married Russells who traveled across the Atlantic with them). He grew up in Blue Earth County, Minnesota, and his bio is featured in the county book published around 1910. It reported him to be a strong supporter of Ireland, which won over his Irish neighbors who had initially been suspicious of him because of “his English surname” (Russell). —Tom Today's Topics: 1. Russells of North Tipperary (Thomas L Bohan) 2. Re: Russells of North Tipperary (ElizaR) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Liz?My great-grandmother was Anastasia Russell, born in Templetouhy about 1795. She wed Michael Bohan of Collegehill (Templemore) in 1820 and emigrated to America (Wisconsin) in 1846 with her 9 children, including her youngest, my grandfather Edmond Russell Bohan, 1839-1905. FWIW.?Tom P.S. They went directly to Wisconsin because her Russell relatives (including Patrick, of singer Tom Russell fame) had gone there in 1841. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 22:32:27 -0400 From: ElizaR <lizbon@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Russells of North Tipperary To: Thomas L Bohan <tbohan2@maine.rr.com>, cotipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <622C6976FCA344B29B70AA27EEDA7187@ERussell> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252; reply-type=original Thanks Thomas. Edmond seems to have been a popular name in Tipperary. I once read that the spelling Edmond shows that the family had strong Norman roots as it it more of a French spelling. On the other hand, if the spelling is Edmund, it shows more of an Anglo origin. Don't know how true it is, plus don't know how many could spell in the time frame we are working in. Liz -----Original Message----- From: Thomas L Bohan via Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:20 PM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Russells of North Tipperary Thomas L Bohan tbohan2@maine.rr.com 2073181170 --
Don't know if all you Mahar/Maher folks were aware of the celebration of the O'Meachair / Maher / Meagher clan& their ancient homeland the Barony of Ikerrin held Fri 22 & Sat 23 Aug. Here are some links that might help you connect: http://www.omeachairofikerrin.com https://www.facebook.com/OMeachair2014 http://www.irelandxo.com/group/bourney-bournea-tipperary https://www.facebook.com/IrelandReachingOutBourneaParishGroup http://roscreathroughtheages.org/ https://www.facebook.com/Roscreathroughtheages?ref=stream best, Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA On 8/30/2014 6:10 AM, Janet Crawford via wrote: > Beverly Ann, There are Hourigan's still in Lattin, Shronell and > Ballinglanna - lots in Ballinglanna and one leases the field below me. > Come on over and meet them all. > Are you one of Aggi-Rose's Reddin/Rodan's? > > Janet > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Beverley-Anne Rodan via < > cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Carole, Carmen and others on the Tipperary list. > > I have two with similar names from areas possibly close to Solohead. > Norah Mahar married to Richard Hourigan, their son Richard born in > Limerick c 1836 > possibly > Griffiths Valuation has in Clanwilliam, Parish of Shronell, Townland of > Ballinglanna > Richard Hourigan, occupier, > > Ellen Maher married to Thomas Hennerbury, their daughter Alice born c1817 > Tipperary. > possibly > Ballygriffin Civil Parish > Clanwilliam Barony > Cashel & Tipperary Poor Law Unions > House Books, pre Griffiths valuation > Date: 1846-47 > Henebry Thomas Ballynahinch Ballygriffin > I would love to hear from any Maher, Mahar, Meagher descendants from these > areas. > Beverley-Anne Rodan > > Carol, I have Meagher/Maher and Dwyer's in my Reardon/Hanley tree. > On the Meagher name I have a Mary Meagher married to Dermot Riordan about > 1809 in Solohead RC Parish, Co. Tipperary. Dermot & Mary are the paternal > grandparents of Mary Riordan/Reardon Hanley above. > > That is what I have. Don't know if any of the pieces fit your puzzle. > > Carmen D. > Pittsburgh
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Tablet I want to know if there are still Running a in the Killenaule,Thurles area and how to contact if so? î have a pro lem trying g to locate my great grañdfather in the ÛS some time between 1860 and 1862. family lore had him aboard a British ship, mûtîñiñg and jumping ship in us and joining the Union and desert in several times under different names and finally captured while aboard some ship and going to prison. Quite the story but obviously some truth in it since I cannot locate him for sure during Civil war. Family said he was on monitor but I see little truth there other than a john dunning at Ft Monroe. My question is how do I trace him before 1865¿ ifind him married in Iowa in 1866 and disappearing again for 1870 census found again marrying in Iowa a second time in 1876. Nebulous life? Need he!p finding him before 1866. That is. Patty fleming
Thanks for the interesting information on marriage in Ireland in the 19th century. I've been wondering about my great grandparents' marriage: James Whelan, age 24 and Honora Keating, age 19 married on 11 February 1860 in the Chapel of Bansha James was the oldest son of Thomas Whelan and Alice Ryan. His father was still alive and had a farm in Barnlough. James did not inherit the farm, his younger brother Patrick eventually did (around the time of his marriage). James never had a farm. The first child was born in November 1860 and named after his maternal grandfather. William Keating had farms in Carriganagh and Barnlough. The next child arrived 6 years later and was named after the paternal grandfather. His birth record said he was "assisting his father in law who is a larger farmer". In 1867, James, and his brother in law forcibly took over the farm of James' younger brother in Tankerstown (this is from petty sessions). His brother file a complaint and they both agreed to let the parish priest decide what to do. Thomas kept the farm. By 1870 James is a shopkeeper in the village of Bansha, until his death in 1881. His last child was born that May. Honora (Anne) died in 1888. All the child emigrated. It seems strange that they would marry when James did not have a farm. I've wondered why they married when he did not have a farm. Mary
Thanks Thomas. Edmond seems to have been a popular name in Tipperary. I once read that the spelling Edmond shows that the family had strong Norman roots as it it more of a French spelling. On the other hand, if the spelling is Edmund, it shows more of an Anglo origin. Don't know how true it is, plus don't know how many could spell in the time frame we are working in. Liz -----Original Message----- From: Thomas L Bohan via Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:20 PM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Russells of North Tipperary Thomas L Bohan tbohan2@maine.rr.com 2073181170 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Liz—My great-grandmother was Anastasia Russell, born in Templetouhy about 1795. She wed Michael Bohan of Collegehill (Templemore) in 1820 and emigrated to America (Wisconsin) in 1846 with her 9 children, including her youngest, my grandfather Edmond Russell Bohan, 1839-1905. FWIW.—Tom P.S. They went directly to Wisconsin because her Russell relatives (including Patrick, of singer Tom Russell fame) had gone there in 1841. Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:00:02 +0100 From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] to Janet Crawford -- plus my surnames of interest To: ElizaR <lizbon@optonline.net>, cotipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CANOXhXbLj6R8HJu2GcCzOdX6Q7TZkHN-Gn9as_iVr-1vCsuVOg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Liz, Those Russells are in the North of the county and I am way down in the south. I have no access to, say, Killaloe records, so I am going to be of no help to you. Really sorry. Janet On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 PM, ElizaR via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Janet, > > I am also researching Russells, likely in Tipperary. This is what I've > found so far - > > > 2x great grandfather was Edmond Russell b. abt. 1827 > Siblings(that I know of) : > Patrick b. abt. 1820 > James b. abt 1818 > Michael b. abt 1833 > Timothy b. abt 1830 > Catherine b. abt 1828 > > All of the above named their first born boy and girl, Thomas and Julia - > therefore I believe my 3x great grandparents were Thomas and Julia > Russell. > I did find on the IFHF website 2 births which could possible be mine - > Edmond and Timothy being born to a Thomas and Judith (Quinlan) Russell. I > understand that Julia could be another name for Judith. These 2 births > show > in Drom. Other than that, all U.S. records show only Ireland as a > birthplace. And the family was R.C. > > Do any of these names ring a bell with you? > > > Liz Russell > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thomas L Bohan tbohan2@maine.rr.com 2073181170 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Liz—My great-grandmother was Anastasia Russell, born in Templetouhy about 1795. She wed Michael Bohan of Collegehill (Templemore) in 1820 and emigrated to America (Wisconsin) in 1846 with her 9 children, including her youngest, my grandfather Edmond Russell Bohan, 1839-1905. FWIW.—Tom P.S. They went directly to Wisconsin because her Russell relatives (including Patrick, of singer Tom Russell fame) had gone there in 1841. Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:00:02 +0100 From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] to Janet Crawford -- plus my surnames of interest To: ElizaR <lizbon@optonline.net>, cotipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CANOXhXbLj6R8HJu2GcCzOdX6Q7TZkHN-Gn9as_iVr-1vCsuVOg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Liz, Those Russells are in the North of the county and I am way down in the south. I have no access to, say, Killaloe records, so I am going to be of no help to you. Really sorry. Janet On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 PM, ElizaR via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Janet, > > I am also researching Russells, likely in Tipperary. This is what I've > found so far - > > > 2x great grandfather was Edmond Russell b. abt. 1827 > Siblings(that I know of) : > Patrick b. abt. 1820 > James b. abt 1818 > Michael b. abt 1833 > Timothy b. abt 1830 > Catherine b. abt 1828 > > All of the above named their first born boy and girl, Thomas and Julia - > therefore I believe my 3x great grandparents were Thomas and Julia Russell. > I did find on the IFHF website 2 births which could possible be mine - > Edmond and Timothy being born to a Thomas and Judith (Quinlan) Russell. I > understand that Julia could be another name for Judith. These 2 births > show > in Drom. Other than that, all U.S. records show only Ireland as a > birthplace. And the family was R.C. > > Do any of these names ring a bell with you? > > > Liz Russell >
Carol, I have Meagher/Maher and Dwyer's in my Reardon/Hanley tree. My Dwyer's more than likely were from Tipperary Civil Parish. Thomas J. Dwyer married Catherine Kate Humphries. Their children were in order of birth; Winifred, Anne, Catherine, Thomas, Philip, Margaret and John. I have been able to confirm that John was born in Tipperary Civil Parish and was born on 31 Oct 1887. John came to the states and settled in Providence, R.I., dying in 1939. he married Ellen Bridget Hanley in 1920 in Providence. Ellen was the daughter of William Hanley and Mary Riordan/Reardon Hanley, of the townland of Ballycohey just west of Tipperary town. Ellen was baptized in Lattin Parish and is also listed in the 1901 census. On the Meagher name I have a Mary Meagher married to Dermot Riordan about 1809 in Solohead RC Parish, Co. Tipperary. Dermot & Mary are the paternal grandparents of Mary Riordan/Reardon Hanley above. That is what I have. Don't know if any of the pieces fit your puzzle. Carmen D. Pittsburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Burns via" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Meagher/Maher/Dwyer >I too am researching Meagher/Maher & Dwyer as is Janet L. I am looking > at Kilmoyler, Co. Tipperary. Any thoughts? > Carol > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I too am researching Meagher/Maher & Dwyer as is Janet L. I am looking at Kilmoyler, Co. Tipperary. Any thoughts? Carol
Hi Liz, Those Russells are in the North of the county and I am way down in the south. I have no access to, say, Killaloe records, so I am going to be of no help to you. Really sorry. Janet On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 PM, ElizaR via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Janet, > > I am also researching Russells, likely in Tipperary. This is what I've > found so far - > > > 2x great grandfather was Edmond Russell b. abt. 1827 > Siblings(that I know of) : > Patrick b. abt. 1820 > James b. abt 1818 > Michael b. abt 1833 > Timothy b. abt 1830 > Catherine b. abt 1828 > > All of the above named their first born boy and girl, Thomas and Julia - > therefore I believe my 3x great grandparents were Thomas and Julia Russell. > I did find on the IFHF website 2 births which could possible be mine - > Edmond and Timothy being born to a Thomas and Judith (Quinlan) Russell. I > understand that Julia could be another name for Judith. These 2 births > show > in Drom. Other than that, all U.S. records show only Ireland as a > birthplace. And the family was R.C. > > Do any of these names ring a bell with you? > > > Liz Russell > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janet Lyons via > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:14 PM > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] to Janet Crawford -- plus my surnames of interest > > Dear Janet C., > We're both survivors, thank God! You have me beat with 10 hours of > surgery, > though -- I had 8 hours of brain surgery in 1981. And you had cancer, too? > I'm okay there and am now 78 -- but both my children had very serious > cancer > at 49 & 53, doing pretty well now. Life isn't always a picnic, huh! > Thanks > for all you've done, Janet! We love you on this list and pray you'll be at > it for a long time to come. > Blessings, > Janet L. ...... researching in Tipp.: > MAHER/MEAGHER, RUSSELL, DWYER, DELANEY, KENNEDY, RYAN, MORRISSEY and more! > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 9376 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Janet, I am also researching Russells, likely in Tipperary. This is what I've found so far - 2x great grandfather was Edmond Russell b. abt. 1827 Siblings(that I know of) : Patrick b. abt. 1820 James b. abt 1818 Michael b. abt 1833 Timothy b. abt 1830 Catherine b. abt 1828 All of the above named their first born boy and girl, Thomas and Julia - therefore I believe my 3x great grandparents were Thomas and Julia Russell. I did find on the IFHF website 2 births which could possible be mine - Edmond and Timothy being born to a Thomas and Judith (Quinlan) Russell. I understand that Julia could be another name for Judith. These 2 births show in Drom. Other than that, all U.S. records show only Ireland as a birthplace. And the family was R.C. Do any of these names ring a bell with you? Liz Russell -----Original Message----- From: Janet Lyons via Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:14 PM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] to Janet Crawford -- plus my surnames of interest Dear Janet C., We're both survivors, thank God! You have me beat with 10 hours of surgery, though -- I had 8 hours of brain surgery in 1981. And you had cancer, too? I'm okay there and am now 78 -- but both my children had very serious cancer at 49 & 53, doing pretty well now. Life isn't always a picnic, huh! Thanks for all you've done, Janet! We love you on this list and pray you'll be at it for a long time to come. Blessings, Janet L. ...... researching in Tipp.: MAHER/MEAGHER, RUSSELL, DWYER, DELANEY, KENNEDY, RYAN, MORRISSEY and more! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 9376 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dowry and Marriage Contributors: DÓC, TOR. Dowry (generally called fortune in Ireland; spré in Irish) is money or property brought by a bride to her husband at marriage. It was an important matter in nineteenth-century Ireland. There were new trends in marriage rates after the Famine. In 1845, the average male age at marriage was 25, the average female age 21. However, by 1914 the typical male married at 33, and the female at 28. In 1851 only 12% of women between the ages 25 and 54 did not marry but in 1911 this had increased to 26%. Parents now left their farms to one son, and the others had the choice of marrying a female who inherited a farm (and this meant a financial settlement), moving to the city or town, taking up a profession, emigrating, or joining a religious order. Heirs tended to postpone marriage until parents died and were generally unwilling to make dowryless marriages that would worsen their financial position or lower their status. It became increasingly difficult to marry outside ones own social class. Before the Famine it was quite usual for well-off farmers to bring in matchmakers to ensure that their children married well; but after the Famine most families did this. The dowry became a chief consideration when choosing a partner and farmers children preferred not to marry rather than marry beneath them. Full reading is available at this link~ http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/Dowry_and_Marriage Cheers Cara
Ellen, Were you able to get the death certificate for the child and, if so, what was the child's age at death? Janet On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Ellen via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have a case of a baby baptized the same day the parent's were married in > Auburn, NY in 1854. Both were immigrants from Kildare, and there is no > notation about illegitimacy in the record. The baby was not named for > either grandmother, and died not long after. Afterwards the family did > follow the naming pattern. > Ellie > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Dear Janet C., We're both survivors, thank God! You have me beat with 10 hours of surgery, though -- I had 8 hours of brain surgery in 1981. And you had cancer, too? I'm okay there and am now 78 -- but both my children had very serious cancer at 49 & 53, doing pretty well now. Life isn't always a picnic, huh! Thanks for all you've done, Janet! We love you on this list and pray you'll be at it for a long time to come. Blessings, Janet L. ...... researching in Tipp.: MAHER/MEAGHER, RUSSELL, DWYER, DELANEY, KENNEDY, RYAN, MORRISSEY and more! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 9376 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen
Janet Delighted to hear you have made such a good recovery. Best regards Clare On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Janet Crawford via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Pat, Same way in England and Scotland. > > Had MAJOR heart surgery last September - 11 hours, blood drained and put > back in and me brought back to life. Then Breast cancer surgery last April. > Was on blood thinners from the heart surgery, so started to bleed the day > after surgery and so had a 2nd surgery the next day. > I am almost back to normal again except for a couple of little things. > Cancer clear. Heart strong again. > > Janet > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Pat Connors via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com > > > wrote: > > > Janet, many thanks for this, I have printed it out and will include it in > > my children's family history books. In all the years that I have been > > doing Irish family history, I really didn't know about arranged > marriages. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > There are a couple of things we need to keep in mind about marriages > > > pre-1900, and I pick that date rather arbitrarily. Most all marriages > in > > > Ireland were arranged and included a dowry of some sort and a fee to > the > > > priest, particularly if he arranged the marriage. It was not a love > > affair, > > > but more of a contractual property agreement. You see this in all the > > > marriage settlement documents filed with the courts. These were > > negotiated > > > by the fathers of the future bride and groom. > > > Anything that interfered with the marriage messed up the contract on > the > > > property being exchanged. > > > It appears that often there was a period, sometimes lengthy between the > > > offer of marriage and the actual ceremony, but could be the future > couple > > > did some experimenting prior to the ceremony. The goal of the couple > was > > to > > > produce a male heir...period. To the eldest male heir would go the > > property > > > which now includes the dowry, so both father's have a stake in this. > Once > > > that had been accomplished, one often sees the groom do some outside > > > experimenting, but seemingly never the bride, as far as we know. There > > are > > > some unusual DNA results showing up, however. > > > The priest was able to keep his fee as long as the couple stayed > > together. > > > Often they went to live apart and the priest could get a 2nd fee if he > > > could get them back together again when they renewed their vows. > > > Sorry if I may have repeated some things, but I need to impress that > > these > > > were contracts, not love affairs. > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > nymets22@gmail.com > > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > with. > > Thank You. > > > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Wishing you much happiness after your traumatic health issues. Helen >> >> Had MAJOR heart surgery last September - 11 hours, blood drained and put >> back in and me brought back to life. Then Breast cancer surgery last >> April. >> Was on blood thinners from the heart surgery, so started to bleed the day >> after surgery and so had a 2nd surgery the next day. >> I am almost back to normal again except for a couple of little things. >> Cancer clear. Heart strong again. >> >> Janet To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Janet, I thought you were kind of quiet on the list. Now I know why. Glad you were able to overcome your multiple medical issues. That is always good news. Many days of good health to you. Carmen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy via" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> To: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com>; <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] COTIPPERARY Births out of wedlock > Janet > Delighted to hear you have made such a good recovery. > Best regards > Clare > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Janet Crawford via < > cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pat, Same way in England and Scotland. >> >> Had MAJOR heart surgery last September - 11 hours, blood drained and put >> back in and me brought back to life. Then Breast cancer surgery last >> April. >> Was on blood thinners from the heart surgery, so started to bleed the day >> after surgery and so had a 2nd surgery the next day. >> I am almost back to normal again except for a couple of little things. >> Cancer clear. Heart strong again. >> >> Janet >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Pat Connors via >> <cotipperary@rootsweb.com >> > >> wrote: >> >> > Janet, many thanks for this, I have printed it out and will include it >> > in >> > my children's family history books. In all the years that I have been >> > doing Irish family history, I really didn't know about arranged >> marriages. >> > Thanks. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > There are a couple of things we need to keep in mind about marriages >> > > pre-1900, and I pick that date rather arbitrarily. Most all marriages >> in >> > > Ireland were arranged and included a dowry of some sort and a fee to >> the >> > > priest, particularly if he arranged the marriage. It was not a love >> > affair, >> > > but more of a contractual property agreement. You see this in all the >> > > marriage settlement documents filed with the courts. These were >> > negotiated >> > > by the fathers of the future bride and groom. >> > > Anything that interfered with the marriage messed up the contract on >> the >> > > property being exchanged. >> > > It appears that often there was a period, sometimes lengthy between >> > > the >> > > offer of marriage and the actual ceremony, but could be the future >> couple >> > > did some experimenting prior to the ceremony. The goal of the couple >> was >> > to >> > > produce a male heir...period. To the eldest male heir would go the >> > property >> > > which now includes the dowry, so both father's have a stake in this. >> Once >> > > that had been accomplished, one often sees the groom do some outside >> > > experimenting, but seemingly never the bride, as far as we know. >> > > There >> > are >> > > some unusual DNA results showing up, however. >> > > The priest was able to keep his fee as long as the couple stayed >> > together. >> > > Often they went to live apart and the priest could get a 2nd fee if >> > > he >> > > could get them back together again when they renewed their vows. >> > > Sorry if I may have repeated some things, but I need to impress that >> > these >> > > were contracts, not love affairs. >> > > >> > > Janet >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >> > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >> > nymets22@gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: >> > 1. 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I have a case of a baby baptized the same day the parent's were married in Auburn, NY in 1854. Both were immigrants from Kildare, and there is no notation about illegitimacy in the record. The baby was not named for either grandmother, and died not long after. Afterwards the family did follow the naming pattern. Ellie