Is there any source available which gives the townlands of RC parishes. Brian

Dear List Members, Is there a way to get a listing of events, at St Mary’s of Clonmel, of TOBINs, O’BRIENs and DWYERs? Regards, Lance

I have something of a work-around that's not perfect but it's worked for me in the past. If you go to the Irish Times Ancestor website, they have maps of both the civil parishes and the RC parishes. http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/sitemap.htm The maps are in the lower right hand corner. If you click on Tipperary on the civil parish map, it lists all the civil parishes and by selecting the one you are interested in, it lists all the townlands in that civil parish as well as gives you an enlarged map. There are almost always multiple civil parishes within a RC parishes but if you compare the detailed maps for the two types of divisions, you can figure out which civil parishes are within the RC parish. As I said, it's not perfect and someone else may have an source that actually just lists them. Theresa Liewer In a message dated 9/5/2014 1:58:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cotipperary@rootsweb.com writes: Is there any source available which gives the townlands of RC parishes. Brian When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excellent answer, Betty, and the only thing I might add it that I do suspect the brides/grooms were all related in some way. Cousins? Often we see a brother sister team marry another brother sister team [or brother/brother to sister/sister] and a day or so apart. If you have the witnesses to the weddings that might give a hint. Might also be that the priest was a traveling sort of a priest and was only going to be in that area a week or so and so many weddings crammed into that period. Janet On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Betty Gough via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Liz > Check the time of year, the marriages took place. At that time Catholic > marriages didn't take place normally, during Lent. > Lent is a liturgical six week period prior to Easter. It begins in mid > to late Feb. > Another possible reason. They had found young men eager to marry them > shortly after arriving and they too were equally eager to marry and make > their position more secure. > Also, check if the young men travelled out with them. If so, then they > would have married as soon as they had secured work and a place to live. > So many possible reasons, and I am just guessing. Janet might come up > with something interesting. > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Liz Check the time of year, the marriages took place. At that time Catholic marriages didn't take place normally, during Lent. Lent is a liturgical six week period prior to Easter. It begins in mid to late Feb. Another possible reason. They had found young men eager to marry them shortly after arriving and they too were equally eager to marry and make their position more secure. Also, check if the young men travelled out with them. If so, then they would have married as soon as they had secured work and a place to live. So many possible reasons, and I am just guessing. Janet might come up with something interesting.

Hello, I have a marriage question - I had 4 siblings living in Wilmington, DE in 1854 who were recent immigrants. They all married within days of each other which I found to be unusual. Does anyone have any idea why they got married one right after the other within a 2 week span? Thanks ,Liz -----Original Message----- From: Betty Gough via Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 10:22 AM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Births out of wedlock I now realise that the web address I gave in my very recent communication cannot be opened. Here it is again. Hope it works this time. It explains a lot of customs regarding marriage and the birth of children. http://thewitness.org/archive/april2000/marriage.html. There was a time when the marriage ceremony took place in the bride's home, followed by a barn dance. The Church clamped down on that in the early 19th century, mainly because the amount of alcohol consumed even before the ceremony began. From then on it was to be in Church only. Now all that has changed again very recently, with a huge choice of venues available. We need to do a lot more research, to try and discover what it was really like back then. If the above web site fails to open, go back to last Saturday's letter from Jim Leahy who very kindly gave it. Betty G. When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I may as well join the rest and say I have for a long time been researching Thomas Meagher ( or Meagher of the Sword) who was sent to Van Diemans Land ( Tasmania ) and married a lass named Catherine Bennett, amazing story, from his birth to his death but Catherine Bennett also had a very short life, but a most interesting one. So I thought I might as well join the rest of Meagher researchers and let you know that my story of Catherine and Thomas continues to be written up ....... Cheers Cara

Quoting Roger Hoffmann via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>: I have written before about a very enigmatic great grandfather, John Dunning from Killenaule, Tipperary. Little can be found of him there. Family history says he was not raised with the rest of his brothers and sisters but went to live with uncle in Scotland. Apparently he joined the britishnavy and found himself aboard a ship near North America. It seems there was a mutiny, and he jumped ship. Trying to find out much about this is next to impossible. Plus the fact, that John joined the Union soldiers of Civil War, and apparently deserted his unit a few times, using different names, until finally he was on board some Union ship, so I have been told, and would not fire at a church tower. Who really knows. He was court martialed but not before he was captured and went to prison. Okay, here comes the same thing everyone hears about their ancestor. He dug out. How he ended up in Iowa in 1865 and marrying a fifteen year old is beyond me. That is when I first find him, marrying a Phoebe Hartgrave in 1866. ;I can only surmise most of it. How does one find Civil War records when their ancestor is not able to really be located in any particular state. I have found one John Dunning in Ft. Monroe. he would have seen the battle of the Merrimac and Monitor. Family story says he was on the Monitor. doubtful.If you have been able to stay with me without falling asleep, I beg anyone for some help, as to how I find him on a ship near America and how, after leaving the ship he can be found. I see a plethora of John Dunnings in many Uon states. If anyone can shed some light on him I would love to know. I do not find him a great man in any way, but shedding some light on him might make me understand him better >> >> > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Quoting Roger Hoffmann via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>: I have written before about a very enigmatic great grandfather, John Dunning from Killenaule, Tipperary. Little can be found of him there. Family history says he was not raised with the rest of his brothers and sisters but went to live with uncle in Scotland. Apparently he joined the britishnavy and found himself aboard a ship near North America. It seems there was a mutiny, and he jumped ship. Trying to find out much about this is next to impossible. Plus the fact, that John joined the Union soldiers of Civil War, and apparently deserted his unit a few times, using different names, until finally he was on board some Union ship, so I have been told, and would not fire at a church tower. Who really knows. He was court martialed but not before he was captured and went to prison. Okay, here comes the same thing everyone hears about their ancestor. He dug out. How he ended up in Iowa in 1865 and marrying a fifteen year old is beyond me. That is when I first find him, marrying a Phoebe Hartgrave in 1866. ;I can only surmise most of it. How does one find Civil War records when their ancestor is not able to really be located in any particular state. I have found one John Dunning in Ft. Monroe. he would have seen the battle of the Merrimac and Monitor. Family story says he was on the Monitor. doubtful.If you have been able to stay with me without falling asleep, I beg anyone for some help, as to how I find him on a ship near America and how, after leaving the ship he can be found. I see a plethora of John Dunnings in many Uon states. If anyone can shed some light on him I would love to know. I do not find him a great man in any way, but shedding some light on him might make me understand him better >> >> > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Quoting Roger Hoffmann via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>: I have written before about a very enigmatic great grandfather, John Dunning from Killenaule, Tipperary. Little can be found of him there. Family history says he was not raised with the rest of his brothers and sisters but went to live with uncle in Scotland. Apparently he joined the britishnavy and found himself aboard a ship near North America. It seems there was a mutiny, and he jumped ship. Trying to find out much about this is next to impossible. Plus the fact, that John joined the Union soldiers of Civil War, and apparently deserted his unit a few times, using different names, until finally he was on board some Union ship, so I have been told, and would not fire at a church tower. Who really knows. He was court martialed but not before he was captured and went to prison. Okay, here comes the same thing everyone hears about their ancestor. He dug out. How he ended up in Iowa in 1865 and marrying a fifteen year old is beyond me. That is when I first find him, marrying a Phoebe Hartgrave in 1866. ;I can only surmise most of it. How does one find Civil War records when their ancestor is not able to really be located in any particular state. I have found one John Dunning in Ft. Monroe. he would have seen the battle of the Merrimac and Monitor. Family story says he was on the Monitor. doubtful.If you have been able to stay with me without falling asleep, I beg anyone for some help, as to how I find him on a ship near America and how, after leaving the ship he can be found. I see a plethora of John Dunnings in many Uon states. If anyone can shed some light on him I would love to know. I do not find him a great man in any way, but shedding some light on him might make me understand him better >> >> > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks, Ellie, for your note, re. the naming of the first out-of-wedlock child. At least in that case, it does appear that the issue of pre-wedding birth might well have affected the parents' choice of the baby's name. Roger > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:10:15 -0700 > From: Ellen <glindagood56@yahoo.com> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Out of Wedlock/Roger > To: "cotipperary@rootsweb.com" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1409145015.28077.YahooMailNeo@web126106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have a case of a baby baptized the same day the parent's were married in > Auburn, NY in 1854.? Both were immigrants from Kildare, and there is no > notation about illegitimacy in the record.? The baby was not named for > either grandmother, and died not long after.? Afterwards the family did > follow the naming pattern. > Ellie > >

I will be interested to know the outcome of your findings I see nothing in the Right to be forgotten wording to include historic events It all points to living persons only as far as I can see Has anyone else come across this message in respect of historic events ? "Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe. Learn more " Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31/08/2014 14:38, Janet Crawford via wrote: > Please ignore Nivard's last post as the ruling does not affect the UK yet > and Nivard uses Google.co.uk, which seemingly does not come under the new > law. I don't want him to confuse you. > > Please Google "Right to be forgotten" for lots of good articles. The > Wikipedia article is particularly succinct: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten > > Janet

Please ignore Nivard's last post as the ruling does not affect the UK yet and Nivard uses Google.co.uk, which seemingly does not come under the new law. I don't want him to confuse you. Please Google "Right to be forgotten" for lots of good articles. The Wikipedia article is particularly succinct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten Janet

Hi Janet You misunderstand my reply Google do not want to do these changes as it costs them money, so they are doing the most silly and obscure to try and say to the powers that be how its not such a good idea, in an effort to get out of doing any Now I use google every day all day and I have yet to come across one of the "the message" flags So are you sure the cause is actually google? Apart from the aforesaid Google trying to get out of it by doing blocks on strange data, I cannot see anyone asking that the information you suggest be blocked It strikes me as you may be misinterpreting something Could the block be for copyright reasons ? Do you have an example of an item of information you think is blocked? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31/08/2014 11:35, Janet Crawford wrote: > Hi Nivard, It is not Google making the fuss, it is me! This turns out to > be not rare at all, and many searches I have done lately respond with > "The Message". This got me angry that older history is being washed away > on the internet and I have filed complaints with both the Data > Protection Unit of the EU and also with Google. > Yes, the information will be available somewhere else, but that access > might mean an all day trip at expense up to Dublin and hope to find it > somewhere in the day in some unknown book. I don't mind the Spaniard > having his mortgage data removed, but I don't want to see 200-300 > year-old landlord evictions blithely removed. Don't want info on Tithe > War murders blithely removed. It is my history they are now hiding! > > Janet

Dear List, My MAHERs and DWYERs came to Iowa - mainly counties of Muscatine, Johnson & Iowa. My gr-gr-grandfather, Daniel MAHER/MEAGHER married Bridget RUSSELL in 1813 in Annacarty Parish, Tipp. Their children were born in Clonouty-Rossmore Parish (C.R.) - Jo, Johanna, Mary, Judith, James, Bridget, Thomas & Daniel. They lived in Drumwood Townland, just north of Rossmore. Daniel (Sr) died in Ireland, and Bridget became owner of their land... then she came to Iowa with three sons (plus more children), arriving in 1855(?), and is in the 1960 Census. The RUSSELLs (I'm still checking on) were already in Muscatine Co. and farmed in Wilton Township, same as my MAHERs. All Catholics, but a cousin there in Ireland thinks RUSSELLs may have been converts because we cannot find our Bridget before her marriage to Daniel MEAGHER/MAHER. It was brothers James and John RUSSELL who settled in Muscatine Co. Iowa. BTW, it's grand having a cousin there who loves working on our family tree. Her male cousin in Dublin found me online and told her to contact me 4 years ago. She goes to Dublin for research quite often -- traveling free by train from Co. Cork as a retiree. But yes, born in Tipp. We exchange letters and photos and also "ring" each other. I hope that brogue won't ever be lost! All the best -- Janet Lyons -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 9376 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

Hi Nivard, It is not Google making the fuss, it is me! This turns out to be not rare at all, and many searches I have done lately respond with "The Message". This got me angry that older history is being washed away on the internet and I have filed complaints with both the Data Protection Unit of the EU and also with Google. Yes, the information will be available somewhere else, but that access might mean an all day trip at expense up to Dublin and hope to find it somewhere in the day in some unknown book. I don't mind the Spaniard having his mortgage data removed, but I don't want to see 200-300 year-old landlord evictions blithely removed. Don't want info on Tithe War murders blithely removed. It is my history they are now hiding! Janet On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nivard Ovington via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Janet > > This appears to me to be very tiny problem blown out of all proportion > > First the complainant has to know its there in the first place > > To have an entry removed someone has to make a complaint and it be > upheld, the amount of people doing so are very few I would suggest, > certainly for the kind of thing alluded to > > Not everything is on the internet in the first place, and those that > are, are probably derived from other records > > I would be concerned at people having the ability to have recent events > removed or hidden, regarding criminality for example but for historic > events of a few people, it doesn't really concern me, as the information > although hidden by google will still be available elsewhere > > It strikes me that google are trying to make a fuss over a few things to > try and ridicule it, because ultimately they don't want to have to do it > at all as it costs them > > Since time began, man has published those items they want others to see, > whilst hiding those things they don't want others to know, nothing has > or will change as far as I can see > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 31/08/2014 08:35, Janet Crawford via wrote: > > This will be a kind of longish message but bear with me as it has to do > > with Irish history. > > There was a Spaniard and he had taken out a mortgage and then he > defaulted > > on it but eventually paid it off and no one was hurt financially. This > > happened many years ago and the Spaniard got sick and tired of having > this > > financial information pop up every time someone Googled his name on the > > internet. So he petitioned the European courts for "the Right To Be > > Forgotten On The Internet". The EU courts agreed with him and instructed > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Janet This appears to me to be very tiny problem blown out of all proportion First the complainant has to know its there in the first place To have an entry removed someone has to make a complaint and it be upheld, the amount of people doing so are very few I would suggest, certainly for the kind of thing alluded to Not everything is on the internet in the first place, and those that are, are probably derived from other records I would be concerned at people having the ability to have recent events removed or hidden, regarding criminality for example but for historic events of a few people, it doesn't really concern me, as the information although hidden by google will still be available elsewhere It strikes me that google are trying to make a fuss over a few things to try and ridicule it, because ultimately they don't want to have to do it at all as it costs them Since time began, man has published those items they want others to see, whilst hiding those things they don't want others to know, nothing has or will change as far as I can see Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31/08/2014 08:35, Janet Crawford via wrote: > This will be a kind of longish message but bear with me as it has to do > with Irish history. > There was a Spaniard and he had taken out a mortgage and then he defaulted > on it but eventually paid it off and no one was hurt financially. This > happened many years ago and the Spaniard got sick and tired of having this > financial information pop up every time someone Googled his name on the > internet. So he petitioned the European courts for "the Right To Be > Forgotten On The Internet". The EU courts agreed with him and instructed

This will be a kind of longish message but bear with me as it has to do with Irish history. There was a Spaniard and he had taken out a mortgage and then he defaulted on it but eventually paid it off and no one was hurt financially. This happened many years ago and the Spaniard got sick and tired of having this financial information pop up every time someone Googled his name on the internet. So he petitioned the European courts for "the Right To Be Forgotten On The Internet". The EU courts agreed with him and instructed the major search engines to delete/withhold such information when requested by the person. Now this ruling is meant to apply to someone living and to relatively recent events where no one was harmed, but Google is applying it incorrectly across the EU. Seems if, for example, your great-grandfather was a nasty landlord in Ireland, one can ask that information to be removed and Google will do so, thereby totally changing history on the internet. Instead you now got a message at the bottom of a very short page "Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe. Learn more" - call it "The Message". This is terrible. I have contacted the EU court and they recognize there are problems, but apparently will not change the ruling. Google knows there are problems with how they are applying the new law. There is a sort of work-around should you be searching the internet in the EU which is the only place this law is being applied, say using Google.ie [Google in Ireland]. One needs to go to a Google site outside of the EU, say Australia, and do the same search there and the withheld information may/should come up. Here are alternate domains to use: google.com/ncr, google.ca, google.com.au , google.com.br If you use any other Google domains not overseen by the EU, please share the addys with us. If you are outside the EU and used to use Google.ie for searching Irish material, please start using another domain when you get "The Message". Janet

Hello Carole, Carmen and others on the Tipperary list. I have two with similar names from areas possibly close to Solohead. Norah Mahar married to Richard Hourigan, their son Richard born in Limerick c 1836 possibly Griffiths Valuation has in Clanwilliam, Parish of Shronell, Townland of Ballinglanna Richard Hourigan, occupier, Ellen Maher married to Thomas Hennerbury, their daughter Alice born c1817 Tipperary. possibly Ballygriffin Civil Parish Clanwilliam Barony Cashel & Tipperary Poor Law Unions House Books, pre Griffiths valuation Date: 1846-47 Henebry Thomas Ballynahinch Ballygriffin I would love to hear from any Maher, Mahar, Meagher descendants from these areas. Beverley-Anne Rodan > > Carol, I have Meagher/Maher and Dwyer's in my Reardon/Hanley tree. > > On the Meagher name I have a Mary Meagher married to Dermot Riordan about > 1809 in Solohead RC Parish, Co. Tipperary. Dermot & Mary are the paternal > grandparents of Mary Riordan/Reardon Hanley above. > > That is what I have. Don't know if any of the pieces fit your puzzle. > > Carmen D. > Pittsburgh >

Tom, I don't think it was English. There is a family of Russell from Adare and Limerick City and theirs is an anglicization of Creevagh or Creagh. Janet On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Thomas L Bohan via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Liz—Your comment about “Edmond” has struck a bell. The only other > person in my generation of the family who was an ardent family historian > argued that our grandfather’s name must have been “Edmund” rather than > “Edmond,” based on her theory that the former was the Irish spelling and > the latter the English. I was pleased to be able to clinch my contention > that “Edmond” was the correct spelling when I came across a letter written > by our grandfather in 1875 in which he quotes his mother (Anastasia > Russell, 1795-1874) addressing him by name. I have always thought that > the name entered the Bohan line (I had a number of Bohan first cousins and > descendants given the name) because of Anastasia Russell and that it was > long a Russell family name before that. > > That thought leads to another one. One of my father’s first cousins was > named Michael Bohan Russell (son of one of my grandfather’s two sisters who > married Russells who traveled across the Atlantic with them). He grew up in > Blue Earth County, Minnesota, and his bio is featured in the county book > published around 1910. It reported him to be a strong supporter of > Ireland, which won over his Irish neighbors who had initially been > suspicious of him because of “his English surname” (Russell). —Tom > > >