With apologize to Dick Holler <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Holler> and Dion. I am a decedent of and therefor interested in Thomas Talbot Howard and Esther Goulding of the Brunswick and Richard Talbot settler 1818. I suffer from an addition. Therefore, I reserve the right to be wrong. I am addicted to genealogy. I believe there is a John Howard yet to be located. I had Thomas Talbot Howard and Esther Goulding marriage information sourced as 28 Jan 1809 in Templeharry. Within the exchange of correspondence, there was a casual comment there may have been a boy child named John while in residence at Moneygalle but that child had died. Family lore which seems supported by the Richard Talbot settler records, have Thomas/Esther/James arriving and taking up Colonel Talbot land grants. The passenger list(s) of Irish origin, and there seems to be two an original and a rewrite, does not show a child, other than James, among the Howard party. Bruce Elliott's "Irish Migrants in the Canadas" have a passenger list showing Thomas, Esther, James (aged 3) and John (aged 1). I see Thomas and, some years later, James being favoured with a /Colonel/ Talbot parcel of land but no mention of John. Is John (aged 1) really a child of Thomas/Esther? There has been no mention in the post 1818 family lore of John. Is John a child of convenience for a passenger list and really another couple's child for passenger list reasons? Is John a casualty of the voyage? Has anyone seen John? Can you tell me where he has gone? -- Blair Howard

31 Jan 1864, New York Times On Friday, Jan 29, Ellen Mullins, the beloved wife of the late Dennis Mullins, a native of Nenagh, County Tipperary, Ireland, aged 50 years. Her friends, and those of her brothers-in-law, are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, this (Sunday) afternoon, at 1 1/2 o'clock, from her late residence, No. 113 Washington st. California papers please copy. 26 Nov 1864, New York Times Thomas D. Wright, of Binghampton, is no more. He died suddenly on the 7th inst., from an affection of the heart, in the thirty-fourth year of his age. The deceased was born in Kilvermoon Parish, County Tipperary, Ireland, on the 27th of November, 1830, and there received a finished education, closing with the Dublin University, of which he was a graduate. We believe, too, that he commenced a course of legal study in an office in London. Though a mere youth, his ardent impulsive nature and love of liberty caused him to take part in the Smith O'Brien rebellion of 1848, upon failure of which he embarked, as did most of the leaders, for the United States, to seek asylum from the pursuit of the British Government. Through the influence of friends there, he was offered a full pardon if he chose to return, but he spurned the proposal, and determined to live and die an American. On his arrival here he was a slender boy, friendless, penniless and alone, in a land of strangers. For a season he taught an obscure common school in the vicinity of Port Jervis, and afterward had charge of a corps of laborers on the erie railway as clerk or foreman, and while thus employed in the vicinty of this place, he casually made the acquaintance of the Rev. Dr. Andrews, then rector of Christ Church, Binghampton. The Doctor soon discovered in the young stranger under the rough garb of the railroad assistant, a fine scholarly taste and rare classic attainments, as well as genial social qualities, and atonce introduced him into society, and to the law office of Dickinson & Tompkins, where he soon entered as a student. Upon Mr. Dickinson's return to his profession at the expiration of his term as Senator in Congress in 1851, amongst a number of young men in the office, the subject of his notice attracted his special attention as one of peculiar mark and promise. Mr. Wright was admitted to practice at the January term of the Supreme Court in 1852, and in February following Mr. Dickinson, in making permanent professional arrangements, associated him as general copartner. The office conducted a heavy and responsible business, in which Mr. Wright bore a conspicuous part, under this relation, which continued until July last, over twelve years, without the utterance of an unkind or ungenerous word between them. In 1858 Mr. Wright united in marriage with Helen Stuyvesant, daughter of Hon. John A. Collier. He loeaves her a widow with three young and interesting children to mourn their irreparable loss - this too early and painful bereavement. He was no ordinary man. A gentleman of large and varied experience in life declares he never knew one, young or mature, native or foreign, his equal in intuitive perception. He read men and motives and motives at a glance, and grased and analyzed subjects with the raidity of light. In the domestic relations he was kind and affectionate. His spirit was generous and buoyant - his social qualities and powers of conversation remarkable, his wit ready and sparkling, his imagination vivid, and his logic chaste and compact. These faculties gave him a professional strength uncommon for his age - an eminence which few attain after years of patient research and extended study. As an active and honorable member of the legal profession, a citizen of enterprise and culture, and as a friend and neighbor, his loss will be felt and deplored; but the shadow that darkens the hearth at the deserted fireside is greater than them all. His funeral, one of the most numerous ever witnessed in Binghampton, was from his late residence, under the solemn and imposing services of the Episcopal Church, of which he was a communicant, conducted by Rev. Platt, Rector, assisted by the early friend of the deceased, Rev. Dr. Andrews, and Chaplain Lewis, of the United States Navy. Rev. Fathers O'Riley, Hourigan and Sweeny, of the Catholic Church, were present, as were also, in addition to a general attendance by our citizens, hundreds of his countrymen, with tasteful badges of nationality, as a mournful tribute of respect to the memory of their admired and beloved brother. His remains repose in Spring Forest, where a dear child has preceded him. 3 Jun 1918, New York Times Ahearn - At Spring Valley, NY, Patrick, beloved husband of Mary, on June 1, a native of Moore Abbey, Tipperary, Ireland. Funeral from his late residence, 67 Flushing Av., Jamaica, on Tuesday, June 4, at 9 A.M.; thence to the Church of St. Mary, where a mass of requiem will be offered for the repose of his soul. Interment St. John's Cemetery. 7 Oct 1918 Public Ledger, Pennsylvania Oct. 4, Cornelius, son of Michael and late Johanna O'Brien (nee Svott), of Clavihen Cloumel, County Tipperary, Ireland. Relatives and friends, Brotherhood of Railway Trainmen, of Penna. R. R., Penna. R. R. Relief, invited to funeral, Wed., 9 a. m., 327 N. 18th st. Int. private. St Joseph's Cemetery, Keyport, Monmouth County, New Jersey, USA Hennessey, Ellen Higgins (wife of Thomas Hennessey), born County Tipperary, Ireland, died 7 Sep 1915, aged 61 years

Ed Thank you for all that info. It will keep me occupied for some time. I note the Tipp connection so I was not 'off topic' after all ! Is WA Washington USA or Western Australia ? My wife passed away recently, she was a Madden, her family were from Ardmayle Best wishes Brian Cobh

Thanks Blair for the D.Paul book. I have checked Wikipedia and Amazon. The reviews look good. Will buy.

[Rootsweb twice had issues with Ed's attempt to post this so as list admin I'm sending it on his behalf. AR] Hi Brian and all, Glad you liked those maps! I'm no expert on Native Americans and there are so many aspects, I hesitate to recommend any book to folks who do not live in this country. I agree with Blair Howard's observation, pulse he recommended a book!I offer this information on Native American involvement with Ireland & Tipperary that folks might not be aware of. 1. Corbally Parish 1837, A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland: A castle anciently called Knockballymaher occupied by the Hutchinson family is a canoe of considerable dimensions, hollowed out from a single tree by American Indians. It was picked up off the banks of Newfoundland, and presented to Mr. T. Hutchinson, Esq. http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/C/Corbally-Ikerrin-Tipperary.php 2. Indian Chief's from Tipperary: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/1990930/indian-chiefs-from-tipperary http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/IrelandGenWeb/2003-05/1053371293 3. Choctaws helped starving Irish in 1847. http://www.choctawnation.com/history/choctaw-nation-history/choctaws-helped-starving-irish-in-1847-this-act-shaped-tribal-culture/ https://www.facebook.com/ChoctawIrishFamine http://www.irishamericanmom.com/tag/the-choctaw-nation/ 4. An Irishman, Saint Brendan set sail from Kerry on Ireland in the year 540 A.D. to find a "Land promised to the Saints". http://www.black-hawk-design.net/BlackHawk/history/page1.htm These sites are in America and about Native Americans: 1. Guide to Tracing American Indian Ancestry http://www.bia.gov/cs/groups/public/documents/text/idc-002619.pdf 2. The National Museum of the American Indian http://www.nmai.si.edu/about/ 3. Index of Native American Resources on the Internet http://www.hanksville.org/NAresources/ http://www.nativeculturelinks.com/indians.html 4. Timelines http://www.datesandevents.org/events-timelines/27-native-american-history-timeline.htm http://www.legendsofamerica.com/na-timeline.html 5. Native Americans and the Federal Government (566 Federally recognized tribes.) http://www.historytoday.com/andrew-boxer/native-americans-and-federal-government http://www.bia.gov/index.htm 6. Wikipedia articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States Hope this helps! Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

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UP TIPP, tame the cats! Carmen D. Pittsburgh

Excuse the intrusion Remember, most history is recorded by the winners not the losers so have the salt nearby Great read .. We were not the savages .....Daniel Paul Cheers Blair On 26/09/2014 1:28 PM, Brian Phelan via wrote: > Thank you Ed for all the maps. All very interesting. > > Of late I have become interested in the Native Americans. > > Can you recommend a good history book ? > > Brian > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Blair Howard

Thank you Ed for all the maps. All very interesting. Of late I have become interested in the Native Americans. Can you recommend a good history book ? Brian

Ed, I absolutely LOVE that last map. It shows Ireland in the clarity I've never seen before. Thank you for that link. Janet On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Ed Madden via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Location & time (where & when) are critical factors in our searches and > understanding (who, what, why & how) our family history's. > So many participants of this list over the past 18 years helped me grow > in my feeble understanding of all that for Ireland. > Several years ago I had a big "Aha!" moment that helped me clarify a bit > to "understand". > > The histories of Ireland and America, at different time frames, are very > similar. > Compare what happened to the Tribes, Lands, Culture etc. of the Celtic > Irish of Ireland and the Indians of America. > > A picture is worth a thousand and maps give perspective, I offer these > for you to ponder: > 1. Size comparison of Ireland & America; > http://i.imgur.com/w8LOUvR.png > > 2. Clan Territories of Ireland (two of them); > > https://www.irishorigenes.com/sites/default/files/field/image/Clans%20of%20Ireland.jpg > http://i.imgur.com/8CplZ.jpg > > 3. Tribal Areas of early American Indians; > http://i.imgur.com/MdoAmTo.jpg > > 4. 1750 - 2008 Control of North America > http://imgur.com/gallery/Mz1o7VN > > 5. WWII Ireland Propaganda Map "We're not worth invading!" > http://i.imgur.com/itF22.jpg?1 > > Any thoughts? > Ed Madden > Ridgefield, WA > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Location & time (where & when) are critical factors in our searches and understanding (who, what, why & how) our family history's. So many participants of this list over the past 18 years helped me grow in my feeble understanding of all that for Ireland. Several years ago I had a big "Aha!" moment that helped me clarify a bit to "understand". The histories of Ireland and America, at different time frames, are very similar. Compare what happened to the Tribes, Lands, Culture etc. of the Celtic Irish of Ireland and the Indians of America. A picture is worth a thousand and maps give perspective, I offer these for you to ponder: 1. Size comparison of Ireland & America; http://i.imgur.com/w8LOUvR.png 2. Clan Territories of Ireland (two of them); https://www.irishorigenes.com/sites/default/files/field/image/Clans%20of%20Ireland.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8CplZ.jpg 3. Tribal Areas of early American Indians; http://i.imgur.com/MdoAmTo.jpg 4. 1750 - 2008 Control of North America http://imgur.com/gallery/Mz1o7VN 5. WWII Ireland Propaganda Map "We're not worth invading!" http://i.imgur.com/itF22.jpg?1 Any thoughts? Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA

Thanks for checking. My gig grandfather Wm Meagher was from Kilmoyler, co Tipperary. Carol B. Today's Topics: > > 1. to Carol B. & Carmen D. -- MEAGHER/MAHER - DWYER (Janet Lyons) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:24:01 -0500 > From: "Janet Lyons" <lyonsjanet@imonmail.com> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] to Carol B. & Carmen D. -- MEAGHER/MAHER - > DWYER > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001301cfd426$1f71c830$5e555890$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I've looked around but don't think our families are closely related. My > gr-gr-grandparents were Daniel & Bridget (Russell) MEAGHER/MAHER... married > in Annacarty Parish in 1813... lived in Drumwood Townland, just north of > Rossmore (Clonoulty-Rossmore Parish). Their children were Jo, Johanna, > Mary, Judith, James, Bridget, Thomas & Daniel. It was either Johanna or > Judith who married Wm. Dwyer & had 7 sons, but only 2 were living by the > 1860 U.S. Census. > Janet L. > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 9379 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to > COTIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 9, Issue 105 > *******************************************

I've looked around but don't think our families are closely related. My gr-gr-grandparents were Daniel & Bridget (Russell) MEAGHER/MAHER... married in Annacarty Parish in 1813... lived in Drumwood Townland, just north of Rossmore (Clonoulty-Rossmore Parish). Their children were Jo, Johanna, Mary, Judith, James, Bridget, Thomas & Daniel. It was either Johanna or Judith who married Wm. Dwyer & had 7 sons, but only 2 were living by the 1860 U.S. Census. Janet L. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 9379 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

This is the ecclesiastical parish, not the civil parish. For Pete and all - I am going to give you the information regarding Kilcommon parish that I have collected so far. It was a brand new parish in 1804 made out of pieces of other parishes and it is quite confusing. I will add more as I come across more information. In the meantime, if you have any interest in any of the parishes mentioned, or think you might, please save this message, although you will always be able to find it in the List Archives as well. -- KILCOMMON OLD RC PARISH - Formed in 1804. Kilcummin Parish:- Churchquarter, Coonmore, Cummerbeg, Cummermore, Cummer Mulloghney, Cummer Quinlan, Foilmamon (part) Curraghfoil, Gowlaka, Foilnadragh Foilmahonmore Foilacanna, Inchivarra, Garracummer, Grousehall, Knockduff, Kilcommon, Knockmaroe (part), Knocknabansha, Knockmakilla, Knockshanbrittas, Laghile Loughbrack Reiska. Townlands of Upperchurch given to Kilcommon:- Cummer Quinlan, Cummer Moloughney, Foilnacanony, Foilnamon (part), Grousehall, Knocknabansha, Knockmaroe (part), Reiska. Between 1754 & 1766 Moyaliffe was detached from Clonoulty and divided between Holycross and Upperchurch, and some townlands in the western extremity of Upperchurch and Drombane were given to Kilcommon, Rear Cross & Hollyford. KILCOMMON RC PARISH - From the Barony of Kilnamanagh: The parish of Kilcommon was formed in 1804 and the northern portion of the portion of Hollyford attached to it. To compensate for this loss the townlands of Inch, Crownpit, Glassdrum, Philipstown, Greenfield, Crossayle and Chadville were detached from Anacarty and annexed to "Cappa and Carnahally". At the same time the townlands of Ballykeveen and Clongahue and part of Ayle were placed into [Carnahalla] and the parish was now called Carnahall and Cappa. After 1820 the parish boundaries were finalized. The remaining part of Hollyford with the chapel at Losset was then taken from Cappa and Carnahalla and given to Kilcommon. Further adjustments were made to the neighboring parishes to compensate for the loss. The newly constituted parish forms the modern parish of Cappawhite. KILCOMMON RC PARISH - also see Kilcummin, Rear Cross & Hollyford (In Emly) Also once called Kilcommon & Garavane (as Kilcommon-Rear Cross was then called) - Now Kilcommon, Rearcross and Hollyford; The Hollyford end of the old parish of Toem was given to the new parish of Kilcommon, and, in return, Cappawhite gained the townland of Clonganhue, in full, and parts of Ayle, Clonbrick and Ballykiveen; Portions of the existing parishes of Upperchurch, Murroe, Cappamore, Doon, Cappawhite, Anacarty and Clonoulty were given to the new parish of Kilcommon. What came from Anacarty & Clonoulty? Looks like the town involved with Anacarty was all or part of Knockroe or Knockmaroe in civil parish or Upperchurch, and possibly Foilmacduff. For Clonoulty, it might be Clonbonnane or part of it, but I can't tell yet..Diocese of Cashel & Emly. Kilcommon parish at formation 1804 got:- From Toem:- Inchavarra, Cummermore & - beg. From Doon, Co. Tipp part:- Knockslanbrittas, Goulacha, Foilmahonmore, Croghafoil, Cummer. From Abington (part called Garavane which now forms parish of Rear Cross):- Baurnadomeeny, Coonmore, Bealaclave, Laghile, Foildarg (or Foilragh), Cappaghroe, Minacree, Shanbally Edmund, Rea - more & - beg, Foilduff, Goulmore.From Upperchurch:- Cummer Quinlan, & Moloughney, Foilnacanony, Foilamon (part), Grousehall, Knocknabansha, Knockmaroe (part), Reiska. From Templebeg (detached part):- Kilcommon Church Quarter, Knocknakill, Loughbrack. (The chapel at Garravane and a sizable area of the former Cappamore parish were incorporated into the newly created parish of Kilcommon, Rearcross and Hollyford in 1804.) KILCOMMON RC PARISH, Cont'd - also see Kilcummin, Rear Cross & Hollyford (In Emly) or Cill Comaín - From Toem (in 1820, modern Hollyford):- Aughuallydiag, Boolanunaun Curraheen, Blackstairs, Reagoulane, Piperhill, Tooreen, Cluainmurragh, Foilaclug, Gortmahonoge, Knockduff, Losset, Raefadda. Kilcommon parish at formation 1804 got:- From Toem:- Inchavarra, Cummermore & - beg. From Doon, Co. Tipp part:- Knockslanbrittas, Goulacha, Foilmahonmore, Croghafoil, Cummer. From Abington (part called Garavane which now forms parish of Rear Cross):- Baurnadomeeny, Coonmore, Bealaclave, Laghile, Foildarg (or Foilragh), Cappaghroe, Minacree, Shanbally Edmund, Rea - more & - beg, Foilduff, Goulmore. From Upperchurch:- Cummer Quinlan, & Moloughney, Foilnacanony, Foilamon (part), Grousehall, Knocknabansha, Knockmaroe (part), Reiska. From Templebeg (detached part):- Kilcommon Church Quarter, Knocknakill, Loughbrack. 1840 Map, part of old parish of Abington (called Garavane) lying in Tipp. in Owney & Arra:- Bournadomeeny, Bealaclave, Coonmore, Foildarg, Foilduff, Goulmore, Laghisle, Reardnoggymore, Reardnoggybeg, Shannbally – Edmund. (Note:- These given to modern Killcommon parish & form the part of it called Rear Cross]. Cappawhite Comprises the greater part of Toem old parish, with portions of Donohill, Doon, & Solohead. [The rest of Toem is now in Hollyford parish]. There is no mention of Cappawhite, or Hollyford parishes till the beginning of 19th century. In 1704, when we first find the groupings, of the old Pre-Reformation parishes into (more or less) the present parochial units, Toem went with Anacarty, Kilpatrick, & Donohill; but it was attached to Protestant Union of Castletown, Doon & Toem (1731). In 1804, the Catholic parish of Cappawhite is called Cappa & Carnahall, & in 1819, Cappa & Hollyford. When P.P. died in 1820, Hollyford portion was detached & given to Kilcommon & Garavane (as Kilcommon-Rear Cross was then called). KILCOMMON RC PARISH, Cont'd - also see Kilcummin, Rear Cross & Hollyford (In Emly) or Cill Comaín - The Cloidagh R. goes from Killcomyne dividing Coonagh from Killinallong Fortta and Owneymore, runs by Carrigg Oguonagh to the ford of Aghdrohid on the River Mulchern

I am helping an acquaintance with some research and the christian name SHEELY has cropped up. Is it a real name or a shortened version as we haven't been able to find this person. Shirlee Wellington, NZ

Shirlee Suggest you try Sheila or Shelagh. Clare On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Shirlee Cantwell via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am helping an acquaintance with some research and the christian name > SHEELY has cropped up. Is it a real name or a shortened version as we > haven't been able to find this person. > > Shirlee > Wellington, NZ > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Brian, If I remember correctly there were 3 Hearth Money Rolls [1665, 1666 & 1667 and Ballybacon was only in 2 of them. Which one it is missing from I just can't remember. Janet On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Brian Phelan via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Go raibh mile maith agaibh, all who responded to my RC Parishes query. > > The Irish Times does not give the info that I require. > > Janet, Ballybacon is listed under its old name, Ballybeecane in the Hearth > Tax Records for Tipp 1665-7 > > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/ > > Pete, I have J. Grennan's book so I will try your solution of layering the > two maps. > > This problem, RC v CP applies to all Tipp. > > My interest is in the CPs of Ballybacon and Newcastle and the > 'corresponding' RC parishes of > > Ardfinnan and Newcastle/Fourmilewater, the Fourmilewater part is in Co > Waterford. > > This was an Irish speaking area up to c.1950. > > I know of only one RC parish where the relationship with the CPs is > available. > > The RC Parish of Boherlahan-Dualla, just north of Cashel has a Historical > Society which has published an annual journal since 1998. > > An excellent publication even if you do not have a direct interest in this > area. > > Each issue of the journal has a map of the parish showing the CPs contained > therein. > > The place names of Co Tipp have been standardised since 2005 > > > http://www.coimisineir.ie/downloads/An_tOrdu_Logainmneacha_(Contae_Thiobraid > _Arann)_IR_847_de_2005.pdf > > Brian > > Cobh, Co Cork > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Go raibh mile maith agaibh, all who responded to my RC Parishes query. The Irish Times does not give the info that I require. Janet, Ballybacon is listed under its old name, Ballybeecane in the Hearth Tax Records for Tipp 1665-7 http://www.askaboutireland.ie/ Pete, I have J. Grennan's book so I will try your solution of layering the two maps. This problem, RC v CP applies to all Tipp. My interest is in the CPs of Ballybacon and Newcastle and the 'corresponding' RC parishes of Ardfinnan and Newcastle/Fourmilewater, the Fourmilewater part is in Co Waterford. This was an Irish speaking area up to c.1950. I know of only one RC parish where the relationship with the CPs is available. The RC Parish of Boherlahan-Dualla, just north of Cashel has a Historical Society which has published an annual journal since 1998. An excellent publication even if you do not have a direct interest in this area. Each issue of the journal has a map of the parish showing the CPs contained therein. The place names of Co Tipp have been standardised since 2005 http://www.coimisineir.ie/downloads/An_tOrdu_Logainmneacha_(Contae_Thiobraid _Arann)_IR_847_de_2005.pdf Brian Cobh, Co Cork

Betty, Looks like they waited till after Easter. Easter in 1856 was March 23. One brother married on Monday, Mar. 24. The sister married on Tuesday, Mar. 25. And the other brother married on Monday, April 7. Can't confirm when the fourth married yet. Liz -----Original Message----- From: Betty Gough via Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 11:51 AM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Reply to Liz - four siblings wed over two weekperiod..... Liz End of March, early April was Easter time, a very popular time for weddings. I imagine it just happened that they were all ready and in a position to marry. Also, like Janet suggested, perhaps there was a priest they knew either visiting the area or leaving the area at the time. Did they all remain in the area after the marriages. Perhaps, some or all, were moving on. Only when you discover as much as you can about their movements and circumstances will you have an idea as to why. Read up on the history and politics of the time. Were the men about to be called up for service? Best regards Betty. When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's because if they were Catholic they could not marry during Lent. Karon -----Original Message----- Betty, Looks like they waited till after Easter. Easter in 1856 was March 23. One brother married on Monday, Mar. 24. The sister married on Tuesday, Mar. 25. And the other brother married on Monday, April 7. Can't confirm when the fourth married yet. Liz