THANK YOU for admitting me to the List. I am an Australian researcher seeking contact with descendants of my great-great-grandparents JOHN FOGARTY and MARGARET BROPHY. Six Fogarty-Brophy children were christened in Templemore Catholic parish in County Tipperary during 1831-44. The first was my great-grandfather John. His entry in the baptismal register gave the family`s place of residence as Old Town Templemore. My great-grandfather married my great-grandmother Margaret Kennedy in the Toomevara area in 1870. The marriage registration said the groom`s father was John Fogarty, farmer, deceased. My great-grandparents emigrated in 1878. John Fogarty`s emigration papers said his parents were both deceased. I know nothing further about the parents after the 1844 Fogarty-Brophy christening. My great-grandparents and their children arrived in Sydney on 12th January, 1879 by the ship “Northampton”. The family reached Wagga in southern New South Wales by 1880. My great-grandfather became a gardener with the Wagga council. He had a brother named Michael who was christened in Templemore Catholic parish in 1836. Michael`s entry in the baptismal register gave the family`s residence as Ballaheen. Michael reached Australia by 1864. He married Alice Corr or Carr at Warwick in south-east Queensland that year and became a resident of nearby Leyburn. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W. Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi all, I'm forwarding this message from Andrew Fogarty - a longer version of his earlier post. Hoping someone can assist him? Thanks! ----------------------------- Hello Listers, I am an Australian researcher recently admitted to the List. I have decided to post some remarks in the context of an encouraging development which has recently occurred in my genealogical investigations. I have been doing Fogarty research for a long time. I have not been a fast worker. I have made considerable progress. Can anyone connect with any of the genealogical details set out hereunder? First, some background. My late father was good at relaying information about family situations and events of his own time but did not know much about earlier matters. I am sure he did not know anything crucial about our Australian Fogarty family`s origins that has eluded me except in the sense that I am convinced I would have been able to draw good leads from him if I had been able to put my later discoveries and theorising into the conversation. I am sure my findings and ideas would have helped him remember and interpret things he had heard long ago. My father knew his father was from the Templemore area in County Tipperary and had come to Australia as an infant. He had the impression that his father had been born in about 1880. I have established that he was christened in 1878 and came to Sydney with his parents and siblings on the ship "Northampton" in 1879. I have established that the family reached Wagga in southern New South Wales by 1880. My father was born in Wagga and I have spent a large part of my life there. My father and his parents and some of his siblings moved in 1936 from the Wagga area to north-eastern Victoria. In 1941 my father enlisted for war service. My grandfather died in 1944. My father was then serving in the Melbourne area as a member of ground crew in the Royal Australian Air Force. He was granted a week`s special leave to attend to arrangements needing to be implemented because of his father`s death. The funeral was in Sydney. The father and son had had a strained relationship. My father dealt ruthlessly with his father`s personal effects at the family farm at Kiewa in north-eastern Victoria during the week`s special leave granted by the R.A.A.F. He appears to have made a big bonfire of everything he could lay his hands on. He was like that. He was a great one for throwing out the baby with the bath water. You only get one chance in life to do things right when that type of situation occurs. I was horrified when he admitted disposing of several albums of photos. For whatever reason, there seems to have been movement of members of my Fogarty family from the Templemore area in County Tipperary to the Durrow area in Queen`s County ( referred to by the Irish as County Laois ) in about the 1820s to 1840s. Durrow seems to have been about 40 kilometres by road from Templemore. My father told me a story a long time ago which has haunted me and kept me going in my research. It was a story based on advice from a third party who was relying on advice from a fourth party. The third party was my father`s Melbourne cousin Perce Fogarty. My father told me the story after a recent phone call to Perce. My father too was then a Melbourne resident. He had been domiciled in Victoria for 46 years and I had spent a large part of my life in Wagga. I was a Wagga resident when my father related a story based on his recent discussion with cousin Perce. It was a story about military desertion. It was asserted that my father`s grandfather John Fogarty had been a British Army deserter who disappeared from a ship tied up in Sydney on which his unit was being transported with family members to or from New Zealand in connection with some trouble which had occurred or been expected to occur there. I eventually came to feel sure that was wrong. I saw that my great-grandfather had come to Australia as an ordinary immigrant. But I told myself there seemed to be a tendency for a bit of truth to be contained in a twisted-about way in old family yarns and I always kept my father`s story in mind as a probably good lead. I think I have found a soldier who was the basis of the desertion story my father told after the yarn on the phone with Perce. Last week I obtained a copy of a passenger record for a Mary Fogarty said to be aged 22 and from Queen`s County who came to Melbourne in March 1858 by the ship "Rodney". Mary Fogarty`s entry in the shipping list said she went to a brother who was a private in the 40th Regiment. I have allowed myself to entertain the idea that Mary Fogarty`s brother was named Michael and that he deserted a few months later. I have arrived at that idea as a result of research which has included visiting a website called "40th of foot". Yes, no upper case in the last word. I discovered last year that the "40th of foot" website had a section about deserters which included an entry for a Private Michael Fogarty from Queen`s County aged 25. It was said he deserted in Melbourne in December 1858. There was a physical description apparently based on a police notice published in "The Government Gazette". The Mary Fogarty of the 1858 "Rodney" voyage seems almost certainly to have been my great-grandfather`s relative who my father said married a man named Arter. My father told me his grandfather had a Melbourne sister who was married to an Englishman of that name. I have seen that the Arter-Fogarty marriage occurred in Melbourne in 1862 and that the bride was named Mary. I have in recent days come to suspect that Mary Arter was in fact not a sister of my great-grandfather but a cousin. I think Perce Fogarty was probably relying on advice from someone in the Arter family when on the phone with my father. Someone who had told him Mary had a brother who deserted from the British Army. The Arter-Fogarty marriage registration gave the bride`s place of birth as County Tipperary and named her parents as John Fogarty and Margaret Brophy. I have a search report obtained from Ireland long ago which satisfies me that my great-grandfather John Fogarty was a son of John Fogarty and Margaret Brophy. I have seen in my research that a 40th Regiment soldier from County Laois named Kieran Fogarty served in Victoria from 1860 until 1863 and then was in New Zealand until 1865 in connection with the events commonly referred to as the Second Maori War. Kieran Fogarty was from the village of Ballykealy in the Durrow area. Kieran Fogarty stayed on in Victoria for a time after the bulk of the 40th Regiment`s departure for New Zealand in 1860. Kieran Fogarty eventually returned to Ireland and took a wife and raised a family. Kieran Fogarty had an older brother named Andrew who came to Australia. He married Johanna Darcy. Records state that Andrew and Kieran`s parents were James Fogarty and Catherine Campion. Andrew Fogarty died in Darlinghurst gaol in Sydney in 1888 while serving a six-month sentence for obtaining money from a firm of rural agents under false pretences while pursuing a living as a selector in the Balranald area in the western Riverina. It seems to me the deserter Michael Fogarty was probably a brother or cousin of Andrew and Kieran. My first name did not come from any tradition. It was chosen because my parents had a friend whose surname was Macandrew. As far as my parents knew, there had been no Andrew on either side of our family. I allow the possibility that Kieran Fogarty`s brother Andrew was also a 40th Regiment man. My first sighting of him in Australia occurs in 1861. I have found his wife and a son and daughter in Wagga in later times. It seems to me my father knew nothing about that family. James Donohoe`s book "The British Army in Australia 1788 - 1870: Index of personnel" says there were an Andrew, a Kerin and a Michael Fogarty serving in Australia with the 40th Regiment during its 1852-60 tour of duty. Regards to all, Andrew Fogarty Casino NSW Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Ed, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I do hope it'll receive broad distribution & I'll be able to see it. ~Roger Hoffmann ----- Original Message ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 21:22:53 -0800 > From: Ed Madden <edmadden@spiritone.com> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Film about The Cormack Brothers > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <54F3F3AD.7010309@spiritone.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hope folks not in Ireland will be able to view this! > > http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/the-village-that-came-together-to-make-a-film-about-injustice-1.2121827 > > Ed Madden > Ridgefield, WA > > >

Hope folks not in Ireland will be able to view this! http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/the-village-that-came-together-to-make-a-film-about-injustice-1.2121827 Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA

Looking for information on ancestry or at least parents of John Flood born Ireland about 1810 give or take a year. Married Ann or Nancy Burke before coming over from Ireland in 1849. Son John Jr. born May 15, 1849 at sea during the voyage from Ireland. Have found information after their arrival in Vermont, but can not find anything at all about this family in Ireland. According to Naturalization papers the family was from County Tipperary in Ireland but that is all I have. Any help or clues greatly appreciated, Thank you, John B. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

The following information is from Rootsireland John Flood m Anne 'Nancy' Burke 3 May 1838 Upperchurch No addresses, no father names Witnesses. Daniel Burke and Mary Burke Alice 'Ally' Flood b 29 April 1839 Upperchurch Godparents Daniel Anderson and Ally Fogarty Thomas Flood b 6 May 1842 Upperchurch Godparents Matthew Burke and Judy Burke Mary Flood b 16 Jan 1845 Upperchurch Godparents John Burke and Catherine Burke Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2015, at 12:54 PM, jbedard via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Looking for information on ancestry or at least > parents of John Flood born > Ireland about 1810 give or take a year. > Married Ann or Nancy Burke before > coming over from Ireland in 1849. Son John > Jr. born May 15, 1849 at sea > during the voyage from Ireland. > > Have found information after their arrival in > Vermont, but can not find > anything at all about this family in Ireland. > According to Naturalization > papers the family was from County Tipperary > in Ireland but that is all I > have. > > Any help or clues greatly appreciated, Thank > you, > > John B. > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Have you tried the Ireland 1901 & 1911 census? What was her fathers name & occupation on the marriage certificate? Regards Brenda > On 31 Jan 2015, at 8:37 am, Rosemary Nation via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I am particularly looking for a birth or baptism of a Josephine BOYLESON > born about 1900 I believe in the Tipperary area. This is the information I > have: > > Josephine married James O'BRIEN around 1919. Josephine and James had 3 > children, James (Joseph) born 1920 Holborn, Lawrence born 1922 Woolwich and > Rosalind B(ridges or Bridget) born 1924 Woolwich. Josephine had a 4th > child, Donald Dennis born 1931 but not by her husband. I am Donald's cousin > and trying to help him find any information on his mother. > > I have a marriage certificate for a Josie BOYLE to a James O'BRIEN at St > Monica's Roman Catholic Chapel, Shoreditch, London, 1919. I have a gut > feeling this is our Josephine and she just used the surname BOYLE instead > of BOYLESON. > > Josephine O'BRIEN died in 1937 aged 37. She drowned in the River Thames. > > When their mother died I believe daughter Rosalind may have gone to Ireland > to stay with family, not sure if this would be the BOILSONs or O'BRIENs. > Rosalind returned to England and married an American Bernard KRAMER and she > emigrated to Pittsburgh where she died in the 1980's. > > Sons James and Lawrence I believe went to stay with their Aunt, father > James sister MOLLY,when their mother died. James married and lived in > Oxfordshire and Lawrence married and eventually lived in Southy Africa > where he died in the 1980's. Don't know what happed to Josephine's husband > James O'BRIEN. > > I live in England so am reliant upon the internet for research. It seems > BOYLESON is very unusual. Have seen various spellings of the surname, > BOILSON, BOYLSON, etc. It seems those that emigrated to America from > Ireland changed the spelling to BOYLESTON. > > I have seen on the internet that there were a few BOYLESON's in the Thurles > area of Tipperary, now spelt BOILSON, and that there are still family > members living there. I wonder if any of the above might mean anything to > anyone. > > Any help gratefully received. > > Thank you. > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am particularly looking for a birth or baptism of a Josephine BOYLESON born about 1900 I believe in the Tipperary area. This is the information I have: Josephine married James O'BRIEN around 1919. Josephine and James had 3 children, James (Joseph) born 1920 Holborn, Lawrence born 1922 Woolwich and Rosalind B(ridges or Bridget) born 1924 Woolwich. Josephine had a 4th child, Donald Dennis born 1931 but not by her husband. I am Donald's cousin and trying to help him find any information on his mother. I have a marriage certificate for a Josie BOYLE to a James O'BRIEN at St Monica's Roman Catholic Chapel, Shoreditch, London, 1919. I have a gut feeling this is our Josephine and she just used the surname BOYLE instead of BOYLESON. Josephine O'BRIEN died in 1937 aged 37. She drowned in the River Thames. When their mother died I believe daughter Rosalind may have gone to Ireland to stay with family, not sure if this would be the BOILSONs or O'BRIENs. Rosalind returned to England and married an American Bernard KRAMER and she emigrated to Pittsburgh where she died in the 1980's. Sons James and Lawrence I believe went to stay with their Aunt, father James sister MOLLY,when their mother died. James married and lived in Oxfordshire and Lawrence married and eventually lived in Southy Africa where he died in the 1980's. Don't know what happed to Josephine's husband James O'BRIEN. I live in England so am reliant upon the internet for research. It seems BOYLESON is very unusual. Have seen various spellings of the surname, BOILSON, BOYLSON, etc. It seems those that emigrated to America from Ireland changed the spelling to BOYLESTON. I have seen on the internet that there were a few BOYLESON's in the Thurles area of Tipperary, now spelt BOILSON, and that there are still family members living there. I wonder if any of the above might mean anything to anyone. Any help gratefully received. Thank you.

With experience I came to see that reporting of ages for some individuals varied considerably with time and circumstance. In later years, the reported age might be off by more than a decade. Plausible reasons include among others: - a passenger on an immigrant ship, traveling with family, might understate the age to qualify for a lower passage rate.if available (i..e a 19-year old might be listed as 16.) - another young man might overstate his age for employment or other reasons. - an older man might understate his age for same reasons. - an unmarried woman might understate age, for various reasons. For example, my grandmother (born in U.S.) was nearly 29 when married, to a man 5+ years younger. So on every U.S. Census thereafter, her reported age was as much as 6 years younger than actual. We're led to wonder whether she may have concealed her actual age from her future husband. The conclusion is that in earlier times, well before documentation was more formalized, it was easier and more common to report an age that might be off by many years; there were plenty of reasons, usually stemming either from economic advantage or mere pride. So one has to keep this in mind when researching genealogical candidates. ~Roger H. ----- Original Message ----- From: <cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:00 AM Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 10, Issue 5 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:56:14 -0500 > From: "James O'Donnell" <jfwlodonnell@erols.com> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Change in ages > To: COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <54CA743E.1050309@erols.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have baptismal records on my g/grandfather and 4 of his brothers. They > all emigrated from Pallasgreen from the mid 1840s - 1850. to Cleveland, > Ohio. From census and death records all five added 3-9 years to their > ages after settling in Cleveland. Has anyone else experienced this > situation, or can anyone speculate why they would add years? > > Thank you for any help. > > Jim O'Donnell > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:09:48 -0500 > From: "Carmen DiGiacomo" <tippfado@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Change in ages > To: "James O'Donnell" <jfwlodonnell@erols.com>, > <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E66476F70AE2430FA16EF65054A50316@desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Jim, I have similar situations in my research. In my experience they were > also men. Could be they wanted to give the impression of experience and > maturity. In one of my cases they took off years and I believe it was to > have a prospective bride believe that he was not an 'old man' so to speak. > BTW, that age discrepancy first showed up on the marriage license. > > Carmen D. > Pittsburgh > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:44:37 -0800 > From: Ed Madden <edmadden@spiritone.com> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Change in ages > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com, Carmen DiGiacomo <tippfado@verizon.net> > Message-ID: <54CA9BB5.4020602@spiritone.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi Jim and everyone, > > I noted several ages on my my grandfather, Daniel Madden. > For several years I could not find a baptism or birth registration on > him but had them for all of his siblings, all from Moyne Parish, Co > Tipperary. > Found nothing in Dublin at the General Registration Office. > Began to wonder if he was an illegitimate bastard, of so did that make > me a "Grand Bastard"?! > > Finally, in Nenegh at the local registration office they found the > original registration B 1 Aug 1875. > > In your case, if they left Ireland "from the mid 1840s-'50s, I wonder if > the US Civil War fought from 1861 to 1865, might be an answer? > I found this intresting comment on ages which could be good, or bad - > depending on your point of view. > http://civilwartalk.com/threads/civil-war-enlistment-age-limit.67544 > > But what ages did the indicate and when? > > Ed Madden > Ridgefield, WA > > ------------------------------ >

John, I’ve had the same situation with some of my Co. Clare ancestors who arrived in New York before arriving in Chicago. Their first IL census, 1870, states they were born in New York even though their stay was for only a short time. Judie Mason > On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Carmen DiGiacomo via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > If the info is from census records, it could explain some of the > discrepancies. If they census taker asked 'where did you live before or last > year' instead of 'where were you born' it could explain the NY answer. I > think there are many possibilities on the issues that are being discussed. >

If the info is from census records, it could explain some of the discrepancies. If they census taker asked 'where did you live before or last year' instead of 'where were you born' it could explain the NY answer. I think there are many possibilities on the issues that are being discussed. Carmen D. Pittsburgh Researching Reardon?Riordan and Hanley with Tipperary Roots ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Carey via" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> To: "Rootsweb COPUEBLO" <copueblo@rootsweb.com>; "Rootsweb COTIPPERARY" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>; <conyniagar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Change in ages > My issue is just the opposite, and a few years later. I believe I have > found my grandfather, Jeremiah Carey's baptism record in 1860 in Roscrea, > County Tipperary in 1860. In 1863 he emigrated to the US with his > grandparents, Martin and Eliza McDoole Tracey, and his brothers , Michael > and Martin Carey. His parents had emigrated a year earlier. They all > settled in eastern Niagara County NY. however, when he moved to Pueblo CO > his birth date changed to 1865, 5 years younger (and his place of birth to > NY). Any explanation or information on these families would be greatly > appreciated. > John CareyHelotes TX > >> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:44:37 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Change in ages > >> >> Hi Jim and everyone, >> >> I noted several ages on my my grandfather, Daniel Madden. >> For several years I could not find a baptism or birth registration on >> him but had them for all of his siblings, all from Moyne Parish, Co >> Tipperary. >> Found nothing in Dublin at the General Registration Office. >> Began to wonder if he was an illegitimate bastard, of so did that make >> me a "Grand Bastard"?! >> >> Finally, in Nenegh at the local registration office they found the >> original registration B 1 Aug 1875. >> >> In your case, if they left Ireland "from the mid 1840s-'50s, I wonder if >> the US Civil War fought from 1861 to 1865, might be an answer? >> I found this intresting comment on ages which could be good, or bad - >> depending on your point of view. >> http://civilwartalk.com/threads/civil-war-enlistment-age-limit.67544 >> >> But what ages did the indicate and when? >> >> Ed Madden >> Ridgefield, WA >> >> On 1/29/2015 9:56 AM, James O'Donnell via wrote: >> > I have baptismal records on my g/grandfather and 4 of his brothers. >> > They >> > all emigrated from Pallasgreen from the mid 1840s - 1850. to Cleveland, >> > Ohio. From census and death records all five added 3-9 years to their >> > ages after settling in Cleveland. Has anyone else experienced this >> > situation, or can anyone speculate why they would add years? >> > >> > Thank you for any help. >> > >> > Jim O'Donnell >> >> >> >> >> When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: >> 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. >> 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned >> with. >> Thank You. >> >> All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My issue is just the opposite, and a few years later. I believe I have found my grandfather, Jeremiah Carey's baptism record in 1860 in Roscrea, County Tipperary in 1860. In 1863 he emigrated to the US with his grandparents, Martin and Eliza McDoole Tracey, and his brothers , Michael and Martin Carey. His parents had emigrated a year earlier. They all settled in eastern Niagara County NY. however, when he moved to Pueblo CO his birth date changed to 1865, 5 years younger (and his place of birth to NY). Any explanation or information on these families would be greatly appreciated. John CareyHelotes TX > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:44:37 -0800 > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Change in ages > > Hi Jim and everyone, > > I noted several ages on my my grandfather, Daniel Madden. > For several years I could not find a baptism or birth registration on > him but had them for all of his siblings, all from Moyne Parish, Co > Tipperary. > Found nothing in Dublin at the General Registration Office. > Began to wonder if he was an illegitimate bastard, of so did that make > me a "Grand Bastard"?! > > Finally, in Nenegh at the local registration office they found the > original registration B 1 Aug 1875. > > In your case, if they left Ireland "from the mid 1840s-'50s, I wonder if > the US Civil War fought from 1861 to 1865, might be an answer? > I found this intresting comment on ages which could be good, or bad - > depending on your point of view. > http://civilwartalk.com/threads/civil-war-enlistment-age-limit.67544 > > But what ages did the indicate and when? > > Ed Madden > Ridgefield, WA > > On 1/29/2015 9:56 AM, James O'Donnell via wrote: > > I have baptismal records on my g/grandfather and 4 of his brothers. They > > all emigrated from Pallasgreen from the mid 1840s - 1850. to Cleveland, > > Ohio. From census and death records all five added 3-9 years to their > > ages after settling in Cleveland. Has anyone else experienced this > > situation, or can anyone speculate why they would add years? > > > > Thank you for any help. > > > > Jim O'Donnell > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, I have similar situations in my research. In my experience they were also men. Could be they wanted to give the impression of experience and maturity. In one of my cases they took off years and I believe it was to have a prospective bride believe that he was not an 'old man' so to speak. BTW, that age discrepancy first showed up on the marriage license. Carmen D. Pittsburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "James O'Donnell via" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> To: <COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:56 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Change in ages >I have baptismal records on my g/grandfather and 4 of his brothers. They > all emigrated from Pallasgreen from the mid 1840s - 1850. to Cleveland, > Ohio. From census and death records all five added 3-9 years to their > ages after settling in Cleveland. Has anyone else experienced this > situation, or can anyone speculate why they would add years? > > Thank you for any help. > > Jim O'Donnell > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have baptismal records on my g/grandfather and 4 of his brothers. They all emigrated from Pallasgreen from the mid 1840s - 1850. to Cleveland, Ohio. From census and death records all five added 3-9 years to their ages after settling in Cleveland. Has anyone else experienced this situation, or can anyone speculate why they would add years? Thank you for any help. Jim O'Donnell

Hi Jim and everyone, I noted several ages on my my grandfather, Daniel Madden. For several years I could not find a baptism or birth registration on him but had them for all of his siblings, all from Moyne Parish, Co Tipperary. Found nothing in Dublin at the General Registration Office. Began to wonder if he was an illegitimate bastard, of so did that make me a "Grand Bastard"?! Finally, in Nenegh at the local registration office they found the original registration B 1 Aug 1875. In your case, if they left Ireland "from the mid 1840s-'50s, I wonder if the US Civil War fought from 1861 to 1865, might be an answer? I found this intresting comment on ages which could be good, or bad - depending on your point of view. http://civilwartalk.com/threads/civil-war-enlistment-age-limit.67544 But what ages did the indicate and when? Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA On 1/29/2015 9:56 AM, James O'Donnell via wrote: > I have baptismal records on my g/grandfather and 4 of his brothers. They > all emigrated from Pallasgreen from the mid 1840s - 1850. to Cleveland, > Ohio. From census and death records all five added 3-9 years to their > ages after settling in Cleveland. Has anyone else experienced this > situation, or can anyone speculate why they would add years? > > Thank you for any help. > > Jim O'Donnell

I grew up not too far from where this event happened. It was commonly believed that Gleeson was innocent. Incidentally, another murder took place a few years later in that catchment area. An adult male convicted of killing another male. This man served prison. If you are interested in social history, I suggest you read up on the background to the Gleeson/ McCarthy case. It will help fill you in on the social mores pertained to at the time. The story of Moll McCarthy and her place in the community is interesting. It has been written about, but I don't have details of the publication. Betty.

Hi Tom, Different country, different laws, different definitions and a different kind of pardon. His name has been cleared via Ireland's laws. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Thomas L Bohan via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Janet—Thanks for posting this very interesting (and timely, given > events in the US) story. However, the newspaper and others are wrong in > calling “pardon,” if an exoneration is what Gleeson actually (and, it > seems, appropriately) was given. A pardon is given to someone who has > committed a crime for which he was convicted. In this instance, It seems it > was a wrongful conviction from which he was exonerated.—Tom > On Jan 11, 2015, at 3:00 AM, cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. 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Re: 75 year old murder : Gleeson & McCarthy New Inn (Clare Tuohy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 16:41:35 +0000 > From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] 75 year old murder : Gleeson & McCarthy New Inn > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CANOXhXazkUwdoWTfTmRfh7HwF= > eTMsUrDRKVp2fQ4FGHC43ddg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > "Almost three quarters of a century after being sent to the gallows for a > murder he had nothing to do with, Tipperary man Harry Gleeson is to become > the first recipient of a posthumous pardon from the State [of Ireland]. > In 1940, Mr Gleeson walked into a garda station in New Inn, Co Tipperary to > report his discovery of a dead body. Moll McCarthy was lying in a field > having suffered two shotgun blasts to the face." > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-man-cleared-of-murder-74-years-after-hanging-1.2061693 > > Janet > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:57:37 +0000 > From: Clare Tuohy <claretuohy2@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] 75 year old murder : Gleeson & McCarthy New > Inn > To: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com>, cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKP0t= > gxmyQ0ODJ7ZUfgTJMMV6WSGaiGds7j5NQyH+wLqS87kw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Janet > That's wonderful news - I hadn't seen the news report. Most people in the > area believed he was innocent at the time. There was a book published in > the last 10 years or so (Murder at Marlfield - I think) dealing with the > case and it made a very good case that Harry Gleeson was innocent. It was > a travesty of justice that he was executed - so sad for his family and > relatives who were near neighbours of a granduncle of mine. > Thanks for letting us know. > Regards > Clare > > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Janet Crawford via < > cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > "Almost three quarters of a century after being sent to the gallows for a > > murder he had nothing to do with, Tipperary man Harry Gleeson is to > become > > the first recipient of a posthumous pardon from the State [of Ireland]. > > In 1940, Mr Gleeson walked into a garda station in New Inn, Co Tipperary > to > > report his discovery of a dead body. Moll McCarthy was lying in a field > > having suffered two shotgun blasts to the face." > > > > > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-man-cleared-of-murder-74-years-after-hanging-1.2061693 > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > > 1. 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Dear Janet—Thanks for posting this very interesting (and timely, given events in the US) story. However, the newspaper and others are wrong in calling “pardon,” if an exoneration is what Gleeson actually (and, it seems, appropriately) was given. A pardon is given to someone who has committed a crime for which he was convicted. In this instance, It seems it was a wrongful conviction from which he was exonerated.—Tom On Jan 11, 2015, at 3:00 AM, cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com wrote: When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. Today's Topics: 1. 75 year old murder : Gleeson & McCarthy New Inn (Janet Crawford) 2. Re: 75 year old murder : Gleeson & McCarthy New Inn (Clare Tuohy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 16:41:35 +0000 From: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] 75 year old murder : Gleeson & McCarthy New Inn To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CANOXhXazkUwdoWTfTmRfh7HwF=eTMsUrDRKVp2fQ4FGHC43ddg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 "Almost three quarters of a century after being sent to the gallows for a murder he had nothing to do with, Tipperary man Harry Gleeson is to become the first recipient of a posthumous pardon from the State [of Ireland]. In 1940, Mr Gleeson walked into a garda station in New Inn, Co Tipperary to report his discovery of a dead body. Moll McCarthy was lying in a field having suffered two shotgun blasts to the face." http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-man-cleared-of-murder-74-years-after-hanging-1.2061693 Janet ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:57:37 +0000 From: Clare Tuohy <claretuohy2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] 75 year old murder : Gleeson & McCarthy New Inn To: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com>, cotipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAKP0t=gxmyQ0ODJ7ZUfgTJMMV6WSGaiGds7j5NQyH+wLqS87kw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Janet That's wonderful news - I hadn't seen the news report. Most people in the area believed he was innocent at the time. There was a book published in the last 10 years or so (Murder at Marlfield - I think) dealing with the case and it made a very good case that Harry Gleeson was innocent. It was a travesty of justice that he was executed - so sad for his family and relatives who were near neighbours of a granduncle of mine. Thanks for letting us know. Regards Clare On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Janet Crawford via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > "Almost three quarters of a century after being sent to the gallows for a > murder he had nothing to do with, Tipperary man Harry Gleeson is to become > the first recipient of a posthumous pardon from the State [of Ireland]. > In 1940, Mr Gleeson walked into a garda station in New Inn, Co Tipperary to > report his discovery of a dead body. Moll McCarthy was lying in a field > having suffered two shotgun blasts to the face." > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-man-cleared-of-murder-74-years-after-hanging-1.2061693 > > Janet > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to COTIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 10, Issue 2 ****************************************** Thomas L Bohan, VP Forensic Specialties Accreditation Board tbohan2@maine.rr.com 2073181170

This is why I don't like the death penalty. The article annoyed me when it said how proud they all were to clear this poor man's name, how about how sad they felt about killing an innocent man! "Almost three quarters of a century after being sent to the gallows for a > murder he had nothing to do with, > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com nymets22@gmail.com

Janet That's wonderful news - I hadn't seen the news report. Most people in the area believed he was innocent at the time. There was a book published in the last 10 years or so (Murder at Marlfield - I think) dealing with the case and it made a very good case that Harry Gleeson was innocent. It was a travesty of justice that he was executed - so sad for his family and relatives who were near neighbours of a granduncle of mine. Thanks for letting us know. Regards Clare On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Janet Crawford via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > "Almost three quarters of a century after being sent to the gallows for a > murder he had nothing to do with, Tipperary man Harry Gleeson is to become > the first recipient of a posthumous pardon from the State [of Ireland]. > In 1940, Mr Gleeson walked into a garda station in New Inn, Co Tipperary to > report his discovery of a dead body. Moll McCarthy was lying in a field > having suffered two shotgun blasts to the face." > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-man-cleared-of-murder-74-years-after-hanging-1.2061693 > > Janet > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >