Hello, Aggi-Rose and Listers, I have a research colleague whose Fogarty one-name study tentatively groups as Tipperary-born siblings Johanna born c. 1832, Anne born c. 1842, Ellen christened 1844 and Thomas born c. 1846 with the group`s parents being listed as Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell. The grouping is tentative in the sense that it is not established that the same Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell were the parents of each of the posited siblings. Three of the posited siblings are known to have come to Australia. The study states as follows -- Johanna went to Warwick in the Darling Downs area in Queensland. She was Mrs Dwan. Anne was born at Borrisnafarney near Templemore and also came to Warwick. She was Mrs Morrissy and then Mrs Stapleton. Ellen was christened at Borrisnafarney. Thomas became a Melbourne resident and married Mary Jane West. I will set out some remarks here about a Western Australian convict named Thomas Fogarty who seems possibly to have been the Fogarty-Russell son who went to Melbourne and married Mary Jane West. Can anyone see a connection? There is a place near Templemore called Ballaheen and Killea is in the same area. My Fogarty great-grandparents` 1870 marriage registration gave the groom`s place of residence as “Ballaheen Killea”. Borrisnafarney is nearby. My great-grandfather had a brother who was born at Ballaheen who deserted from the British Army in Melbourne in 1858 and was married at Warwick in 1864. In 1977 an old lady of Killea whose maiden name was Fogarty reported to an Australian genealogical researcher that “there were Fogartys at Ballaheen before Carden`s day and one family remained as herds for Carden up to my young days but are now all gone”. The informant said the last of the Ballaheen Fogartys had died recently. I have seen a 1977 newspaper death notice for a John Fogarty who appears to have been the person the Killea informant had in mind when saying the last of the Ballaheen Fogartys had recently died. The events in Ireland customarily referred to as the Fenian rising occurred in 1867. A considerable number of those rounded up in the aftermath of the rising were sent as convicts to Western Australia by the ship “Hougoumont”, which reached Fremantle in January 1868. The Fenian prisoners of that voyage included a Thomas Fogarty from County Tipperary. I have read in Thomas Keneally`s book “The Great Shame” that the “Hougoumont” Fenian convicts were for administrative purposes categorised in two groups depending on whether they were military personnel. I have not been able to discern from the book which group Thomas Fogarty belonged to. I have read that in 1865 the British Army`s 11th Depot Battalion was transferred from Templemore to Newry and Enniskillen because of loyalty problems at the Templemore barracks and was replaced at Templemore by a unit from Glasgow. I have established that Thomas Fogarty of the “Hougoumont” voyage was given a free pardon in 1869 and departed from Fremantle later that year by a ship bound for Sydney. The Fogarty-West marriage occurred in Melbourne in 1877. The register entry said the bride had been born at Enniskillen in County Fermanagh in Ireland and the groom was a draper born in County Tipperary. His parents were named as Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell. Thomas Keneally`s book “The Great Shame” says the “Hougoumont” voyage`s Fenian convict Thomas Fogarty had a brother living at Portland in Maine. The book says a “political letter” to Thomas Fogarty from the Portland brother was confiscated. My first sighting of the book`s reference to Thomas Fogarty`s Portland brother turned my thoughts back to the 1977 letter from the Killea lady. The letter said the writer knew about Ryans and Coffeys belonging to her mother`s family but on her father`s side had known only some aunts, “as the boys had to leave the country after the Fenian rising”. Does anyone see a connection? Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino NSW Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I'm also new to the list: my Tipp connection is John CAREY & Julia Carey (Nee RYAN) emigrated to Australia in 1882 with their young family. John was born in Kilcomon in the late 1830s. He was married twice there, his first wife was Ellen DWYER. My great grandfather (also John CAREY) was born in Glencarbry in 1872. Wish I knew more of their story, but I'm trying to find it out in preparation for a trip to Ireland in July. Hope you all had an excellent St Paddy's Day. Robyn Brisbane, Australia

My direct-line ancestors: 1. Michael O'BRIEN/BRIEN b.c. 1810, his wife Elizabeth KENNY, b.c. 1812; married ? ch. Edward b.c.1841; Michael b.c. 1843. 2. Thomas DWAN b.c. 1819, his wife Julia/Judith CORCORAN, b.c. 1822; married? ch. Patrick b.c. 1847; Ann b.c. 1848; MaryAnn b.c. 1849.The other families presumed related to above: 3. Michael DWAN b.c. 1803; his wife Catherine KENNY; ch. Michael, b.c. 1830. 4. Michael KENNY b.c. 1801, his wife Ann CORCORAN, b.c. 1810; married ? ch. Anthony b.c. 1840; John b.c. 1844, Dennis b.c. 1845. 5. This is the only family for whom I found any Irish records: Mathew BRIEN/O'BRIEN b.c. 1801-1809; his wife Sarah/Mary GLEESON b.c. 1805; married Feb 1836 Toomevara. No address given. Wit. Ph. Kily & Margt. Kily. Son Edmund bapt. May 1838 Toomevara. No address given. Wit. Martin Grady & Catherine Mara. Daughter Elizabeth b.c. 1841, no baptism found. Son Mathew bapt. Dec. 1845 Toomevara; address Ballymacky; wit. Stephen Meara & Margt. Clery. Re Mathew (Sr): I found three Mathew Briens, baptized 1800-1810: one in Nenagh 1809; two in St. Mary's, Clonmel, 1801 and 1806. Guessing that his was the Nenagh bapt. due to short distance to Toomevara, although this makes him too young according to most of his Cdn. records. which give birthdate c. 1801-1803. Based on info in Cdn. civil and parish records, it appears that Michael Brien and Mathew Brien may be brothers; Michael Dwan and Thomas Dwan may be brothers.Recent DNA testing (2014) supports this.Elizabeth Kenny and Michael Kenny are possibly siblings; no evidence to suggest that Catherine Kenny is related to them; but possible.No evidence to suggest that Ann Corcoran and Julia Corcoran are siblings; but possible. ALL the above families emigrated to TORONTO, Ontario, Canada c.mid-late 1840s with one exception:3. Michael Dwan and family were in Toronto before 1840. Thanks for any help,Karen.

Andrew, These 2 records will not help you today but might someday, one from Ballyheen, a Fogarty woman: Pat Brophy of Ballinafad m. Mary Fogarty of Ballyheen in 1816 Thomas Campion m. Mary Carroll at Templemore sometime in 1844-6 Janet On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Andrew Fogarty via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello, Aggi-Rose and Listers, > > > > > > > I > have a research colleague whose Fogarty one-name study tentatively groups > as Tipperary-born siblings Johanna born c. 1832, Anne born c. 1842, Ellen > christened 1844 and Thomas born c. 1846 with the group`s parents being > listed as Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell. The grouping is tentative in > the sense that it is not established that the same Michael Fogarty and Mary > Russell were the parents of each of the posited siblings. Three of the > posited siblings are known to have come to Australia. The study states as > follows -- Johanna went to Warwick in the Darling Downs area in > Queensland. She was Mrs Dwan. Anne was born at Borrisnafarney near > Templemore and also came to Warwick. She was Mrs Morrissy and then Mrs > Stapleton. Ellen was christened at Borrisnafarney. Thomas became a > Melbourne resident and married Mary Jane West. > > > > > > I > will set out some remarks here about a Western Australian convict named > Thomas Fogarty who seems possibly to have been the Fogarty-Russell son who > went to Melbourne and married Mary Jane West. Can anyone see a > connection? > > > > > > > There is a place near Templemore > called Ballaheen and Killea is in the same area. My Fogarty > great-grandparents` 1870 marriage registration gave the groom`s place of > residence as “Ballaheen Killea”. Borrisnafarney is nearby. My > great-grandfather had a brother who was born at Ballaheen who deserted from > the British Army in Melbourne in 1858 and was married at Warwick in 1864. > > > > > > > > In 1977 an old lady of Killea whose maiden name > was Fogarty reported to an Australian genealogical researcher that “there > were Fogartys at Ballaheen before Carden`s day and one family remained as > herds for Carden up to my young days but are now all gone”. The informant > said the last of the Ballaheen Fogartys had died recently. I have seen a > 1977 newspaper death notice for a John Fogarty who appears to have been the > person the Killea informant had in mind when saying the last of the > Ballaheen Fogartys had recently died. > > > > > > > The events in > Ireland customarily referred to as the Fenian rising occurred in 1867. A > considerable number of those rounded up in the aftermath of the rising were > sent as convicts to Western Australia by the ship “Hougoumont”, which > reached Fremantle in January 1868. The Fenian prisoners of that voyage > included a Thomas Fogarty from County Tipperary. > > > > > > > > > > > I have read in Thomas > Keneally`s book “The Great Shame” that the “Hougoumont” Fenian convicts > were for administrative purposes categorised in two groups depending on > whether they were military personnel. I have not been able to discern from > the book which group Thomas Fogarty belonged to. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read that in 1865 the > British Army`s 11th Depot Battalion was transferred from Templemore to > Newry and Enniskillen because of loyalty problems at the Templemore > barracks and was replaced at Templemore by a unit from Glasgow. > > > > > > > I have established that Thomas Fogarty of the > “Hougoumont” voyage was given a free pardon in 1869 and departed from > Fremantle later that year by a ship bound for Sydney. > > > > > > > The Fogarty-West marriage occurred in Melbourne in 1877. The register > entry said the bride had been born at Enniskillen in County Fermanagh in > Ireland and the groom was a draper born in County Tipperary. His parents > were named as Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell. > > > > > > > Thomas Keneally`s book “The Great Shame” says the “Hougoumont” > voyage`s Fenian convict Thomas Fogarty had a brother living at Portland in > Maine. The book says a “political letter” to Thomas Fogarty from the > Portland brother was confiscated. > > > > > > My first sighting of > the book`s reference to Thomas Fogarty`s Portland brother turned my > thoughts back to the 1977 letter from the Killea lady. The letter said the > writer knew about Ryans and Coffeys belonging to her mother`s family but on > her father`s side had known only some aunts, “as the boys had to leave the > country after the Fenian rising”. > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone see a connection? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Fogarty > > > > > > Casino NSW > Australia > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. 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Robyn, Do you have a marriage date for John Carey & Ellen Dwyer. I have an Ellen Dwyer from Doon nearby bap. in 1844 and I don't know what happened to her. She is the sister of my GGrandmother. Janet On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Robyn via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I'm also new to the list: my Tipp connection is > > John CAREY & Julia Carey (Nee RYAN) emigrated to Australia in 1882 with > their young family. > > John was born in Kilcomon in the late 1830s. He was married twice > there, his first wife was Ellen DWYER. > My great grandfather (also John CAREY) was born in Glencarbry in 1872. > > Wish I knew more of their story, but I'm trying to find it out in > preparation for a trip to Ireland in July. > > Hope you all had an excellent St Paddy's Day. > > Robyn > Brisbane, Australia > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My grandfather, John Lawrence Ryan married Bridget Agnes Egan, I believe, in Ireland in 1881. He came to US (Philadelphia) in 1883 and she followed in 1886. I believe that he was from Ballina and she was from Mullinahone. His father was John Lawrence Ryan. John Ryan ________________________________ From: Joan Hansen via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> To: Aggi-Rose Reddin <aggirose@gmail.com>; cotipperary@rootsweb.com; CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Hogan's Hi everyone, Happy St Patricks Day. My ancestors were the Hogan's Samuel Hogan born 1800 Tipperary (Agriculturalist) Married Margaret Noonan DOB 1803 Children: 1. Mary b.1821 2. Thomas b. 1821 3. Ellen b. 1822 4. John b. 1823 Bansha 5. Bridget b. 1824 6. Judith b. 1834 7. Margaret b. 1837 8. David b. 1839 The Hogan's left Plymouth and sailed to Australia on the "William Metcalfe" arriving in 1839 There is no record of Margaret or David being on the ship. ? had died, or left behind in Ireland. Margaret Noonan/Hogan died on the ship on the way to Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aggi-Rose Reddin via" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> To: <CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:54 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] St Patrick's Day ROLL CALL > In honour of St Patrick we'll have a roll call. > > Please change the subject heading to your Tipperary surnames and tell > us a little bit about those elusive ancestors. May our brick walls > come tumbling down :-) > > Happy St Patrick's Day everyone! > Aggi-Rose > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned > with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Researching Denis Kennedy of Tipperary and Mary White of Burgess the Parish of Youghalarra. Their children are: William, Anne, Margaret, James, Denis and Mary. Thanks, Jack Sexton

Looking for Maher from Kilmoyler Co. Tipperary & Dwyer from Bansha Co. Tipperary

Forwarding on behalf of John Carey... AR >From: John Carey <j_p_carey@hotmail.com> >To: Aggi-Rose Reddin <aggirose@gmail.com> >Subject: RE: [COTIPPERARY] St Patrick's Day ROLL CALL, Carey/Keary, > Tracey/McDoole >Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:01:28 -0500 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2015 16:01:29.0366 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A13F6B60:01D060CB] >X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 150317-0, 03/17/2015), Inbound message >X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > >These families emigrated from the Roscrea/Bourney area in 1862 and >1863 and settled in the eastern Niagara County New York. > >Martin and Elizabeth McDoole Tracey. m.Feb 1833, Roscrea. ('63) >- Daniel and Bridget Tracey Keary/Carey. m. Oct 1855, Cournaganeen. ('62) >-- Michael Carey. b. Dec 1855/6. ? ('63) >-- Martin Carey. b. May 1857, Derrymore. ('63) >-- Jeremiah Keary. b. Apr 1860, Rosemary, Roscrea. ('63) > >ANY Ireland leads would be appreciated. > >Have a Happy, Happy, Happy. > >John Carey >Helotes TX > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Mary C. Moore, my great-great grandmother, arrived in New Orleans about 1856. Her Louisiana death certificate states her birth place was Ireland (no county or town) and her parents were Robert Moore and Nellie Carroll (I assume Nellie could be Ellen). She traveled with her brother James Moore; he was about 16 and she was about 12. No other family members came with them as far as we know. James Moore's New Orleans gravestone and newspaper death notice says he is a native of Thurles, Co. Tipperary, so we assume Mary C. was from there as well. Any info regarding Robert Moore and/or Ellen Carroll and their children Mary C. Moore and James Moore would be helpful. Hope everyone had a happy St. Patrick's Day!

Tom, Things to watch for: At one time 12 acres of Soloheadbeg were in Donohill Manor; One of my Soloheadbeg ancestors continued to reference that he lived in Donohill even though the boundaries had changed. Parts or all of Donohill were at one time or another in Cappawhite, Toem, Aghacrew, and Kilpatrick, and for 200 years there was no church in Donohill and the people used Toem. You family might be showing in any of these placenames. Janet On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Thomas Sadler via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Greetings and Happy St. Patrick's Day to the Tipperary Listers! > > > > The Sadlier Families have roots in Donohill going back to the late 1700s. > Clement and Bridget O'Dwyer gave birth to GGF Thomas in 1834. Thomas > married Honora Kelley > > in 1860. Their children were Mary, Margaret, John, Matthew, Johanna, (GF) > Patrick, Clement, Elizabeth, Catherine, Ellen and Honora. The early > children were born in Cappawhite, the middle children were born in Moheragh > and the later children were born in Cashel. > > > > During the 1890's the children began to immigrate to the US - Chicago. > The > remaining family lived the Moor on Chapel Lane in the late 1890's and early > 1900's. Thomas > > was a Cattle Dealer. He, his wife and son (GF) Patrick immigrated to > Chicago in 1903. > > > > Elizabeth married a Michael Ryan in Cashel in 1898 and both immigrated to > Chicago in 1903. > > > > While living on Chapel Lane, (GF) Patrick met (GM) Margaret Ryan who's > parents were Michael and Anna. Michael was a Bootmaker. Their children > were Stephan, Margaret, Anne all born in Cashel. > > > > (GM) Margaret immigrated to Chicago in 1903 too. She and Patrick > Sadlier > were married in Chicago in 1904. > > > > The Ryans remained in Cashel, Ireland. > > > > Regards, Tom Sadler, Sister Bay, Wisconsin, USA > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

James and Joanna Hogan O'Connell late 1700s, no information other than Tipperary. Patrick and Catharine Burke O'Connell from Tipperary > Canada > New York in 1857. 1st child born in Canada in 1857. Second child born in 1858 in New York, USA. Patrick born in approx. 1815, Catharine Burke born in approx. 1834. All Catholic. Thanks! Annie O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aggi-Rose Reddin via Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:54 AM To: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] St Patrick's Day ROLL CALL In honour of St Patrick we'll have a roll call. Please change the subject heading to your Tipperary surnames and tell us a little bit about those elusive ancestors. May our brick walls come tumbling down :-) Happy St Patrick's Day everyone! Aggi-Rose --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I am new to the group and I am trying to research Ireland. I am researching the last names of Douglas, Napier, McTavish and Hamilton. Where would I begin and what sites are best. I do have Ancestry world but its limited for Scotland and Ireland. Would appreciate any sources and suggestions. Thank you

Greetings and Happy St. Patrick's Day to the Tipperary Listers! The Sadlier Families have roots in Donohill going back to the late 1700s. Clement and Bridget O'Dwyer gave birth to GGF Thomas in 1834. Thomas married Honora Kelley in 1860. Their children were Mary, Margaret, John, Matthew, Johanna, (GF) Patrick, Clement, Elizabeth, Catherine, Ellen and Honora. The early children were born in Cappawhite, the middle children were born in Moheragh and the later children were born in Cashel. During the 1890's the children began to immigrate to the US - Chicago. The remaining family lived the Moor on Chapel Lane in the late 1890's and early 1900's. Thomas was a Cattle Dealer. He, his wife and son (GF) Patrick immigrated to Chicago in 1903. Elizabeth married a Michael Ryan in Cashel in 1898 and both immigrated to Chicago in 1903. While living on Chapel Lane, (GF) Patrick met (GM) Margaret Ryan who's parents were Michael and Anna. Michael was a Bootmaker. Their children were Stephan, Margaret, Anne all born in Cashel. (GM) Margaret immigrated to Chicago in 1903 too. She and Patrick Sadlier were married in Chicago in 1904. The Ryans remained in Cashel, Ireland. Regards, Tom Sadler, Sister Bay, Wisconsin, USA

Patrick Dermody was in the 67th foot regiment. He returned to Ireland in 1809. I am guessing that he married 1810 and had first daughter in 1811. There are no records for birth or marriage. I checked with the Nenagh Archdiocese, and also with the local Genealogical Society. The family was as follows - all born in Ireland: 1. Bridget (ca 1811) - married Matthew Hogan and had family 2. Ann (ca 1813) - married John Moran and had family 3. Matthew (1815 - 1890) - married Ann Griffin and had family 4. Mary (1818 - 1904) - married James Nash and had family 5. Catherine (ca 1822 - 1899) - married John Griffin and had a son James The family came to Canada about 1832. The above marriages were all in Ontario. Some of their children went to the USA (Michigan and Kansas). Any assistance will be most appreciated. In particular, am looking for information in Ireland and any connections there. Happy St. Patrick's!! Cath Dermody Sent from my iPad

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The children of the two families emigrated to the U.S. and married. They were John Hayes and Anne Ryan. The Ryan family lived on Fogarty Castle land in Rosmult. The cottage still stands and I just discovered that it was originally the Dower house for the castle. I don't know quite as much about the Hayes'. The U.S. Hayes' lived in Framingham, MA and their children lived in Framingham and Hudson, MA. Anita Hayes Sent from my iPad > On Mar 17, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Aggi-Rose Reddin via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > In honour of St Patrick we'll have a roll call. > > Please change the subject heading to your Tipperary surnames and tell > us a little bit about those elusive ancestors. May our brick walls > come tumbling down :-) > > Happy St Patrick's Day everyone! > Aggi-Rose > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In honour of St Patrick we'll have a roll call. Please change the subject heading to your Tipperary surnames and tell us a little bit about those elusive ancestors. May our brick walls come tumbling down :-) Happy St Patrick's Day everyone! Aggi-Rose --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello, Aggi-Rose and Listers, I will return here to a question I raised in some remarks posted two days ago by the Administrator on my behalf under the heading “Fogarty/Brophy/Campion? - Templemore & Durrow”. The question being, who was the Private Michael Fogarty who deserted from the British Army`s 40th Regiment of Foot in Melbourne in 1858? I have reviewed some evidence in my records since my last appearance here and concluded that the deserter was my great-grandfather`s brother Michael Fogarty who became a resident of Leyburn in the Darling Downs area of Queensland. I will identify here some points I have considered in the course of forming my opinion. I will try to give some indication of my reasoning. My enquiry posted here three days ago under the heading “Fogarty-Brophy family” said my great-great-grandparents John Fogarty and Margaret Brophy had a son named Michael who was christened in Templemore Catholic parish in County Tipperary in 1836, with the baptismal register giving the family`s place of residence as Ballaheen. I said Michael Fogarty reached Australia by 1864. I said he was married at Warwick in south-east Queensland that year and became a resident of nearby Leyburn. The christening details I submitted were based on a search report obtained a long time ago from Ireland. The search report cited six Fogarty-Brophy baptismal entries registered during 1831-44 in Templemore Catholic parish in County Tipperary. In 1914, when Michael Fogarty of Leyburn died, his son Jim acted as informant in the registration of the death. Jim Fogarty seems to have been a man of a rather fussy or pedantic tendency. Michael Fogarty`s entry in the deaths register remarkably stated the deceased`s age in years, months and days. I calculated long ago that those figures meant Michael had been born on 16th November, 1834, i.e. exactly three years after my great-grandfather John`s christening according to the search report obtained from Ireland. The “40th of foot” website mentioned in my “Fogarty/Brophy/Campion? - Templemore & Durrow” comment said the desertion with which we are concerned occurred in December 1858. It said the soldier was 25 years old. If Private Michael Fogarty had been born on the date I have cited, he would have been in the 25th year of his age when he deserted. That is just a little piece of circumstantial evidence. We all know there was a lot of uncertainty in the old days about people`s ages. I will now turn to a point of considerable weight according to my reckoning. In my reasoning leading to the conclusion that Michael Fogarty of Leyburn was the 40th Regiment deserter, the crucial point has been the similarity between what was said about Michael of Leyburn`s arrival in Australia in a 1914 newspaper obituary and what had been said 10 years earlier in an obituary published on the occasion of the passing of another native of the Templemore area. I am impressed by the similarity between the obituaries` accounts of their subjects` arrival in Australia. I have reasoned that if Michael Fogarty of Leyburn was the 40th Regiment soldier who deserted in Melbourne in 1858, perhaps he sought in later times to cover his tracks by telling people he had come to Australia with a family group of Templemore Fogartys who official records show arrived at Moreton Bay in 1850 by the ship “Emigrant”. That group included a John Fogarty who was said in the “Emigrant” records to be five years old who became mayor of Toowoomba and a member of the Queensland parliament. John Fogarty`s obituary published in “The Darling Downs Gazette” in 1904 said he “was born on board the ship ‘Emigrant’, by which his father, Mr John Fogarty, came to Sydney in 1848”. The obituary then said -- “Very shortly afterwards the subject of our memoir came to the Downs with his parents, who then settled near Warwick for some considerable time, where his father subsequently died.”. The father`s emigration records said he was from Templemore and listed his parents as Michael and Mary, both deceased. John Fogarty senior`s widow Catherine whose maiden name was Leahy married Thomas Stevens in the Macintyre Brook area near Warwick in 1856. John senior and Catherine Fogarty had two other children with them on the “Emigrant”. They were a Michael c. 1839-1905 who married Johanna O`Mara and an Anne c. 1842-1899 who married Daniel Donovan. John Fogarty junior married Matilda Revell. Michael Fogarty of Leyburn`s obituary published in “The Darling Downs Gazette” in 1914 said he “landed at Sydney in 1849, when 14 years of age, and came to Queensland in 1863”, was married in October 1864 and “lived in the Warwick and Leyburn districts since that time”. Michael Fogarty of Leyburn`s death registration said he had resided for 12 years in New South Wales and 53 years in Queensland. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino NSW Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Morning Bulletin - 3 August 1927 Another early pioneer of this State, Mrs. M. O'Dea, died at Warwick recently after a residence of 66 years. Mrs.O'Dea, then a Miss Guilfoyle, came from County Tipperary, Ireland, where she was born in February, 1840. She set sail for Queensland in 1861, and after a voyage lasting five mouths safely reached Brisbane on June 10th. The next journey was to reach her sisters who were residents of Warwick, and a rough journey it proved. In crossing the well-known Spicers Gap the conveyance was capsized at the foot of the range, and the balance of the journey had to be made on horseback. These were only the beginning of the troubles of pioneering, and having married the late Marlin O'Dea and taken up a selection, the deceased became celebrated for her great kindness to travellers. The O'Deas reared a big family, and the old lady left no fewer than 31 grandchildren and several great-grandchildren.