Freemen Eliogarty 1840 14 1401 Simon Wall of Cooleeny Arthur White of Thurles Benjamin White of Ballyduff & Monatarina? -----? B. Wellington of Templemore Thomas Walsh of Borris

Freemen Eliogarty 1840 13 1400 James ? of Kilvecorris Patrick Ryan of Lisheen Edmond Ryan of Galbooly Thomas Ryan of Drom Patrick Ryan of Bohernamona Thomas Ryan of Barronstown Patrick Sweeny of Kilmakill Rev. John Swayne? of Rahealty & Ballynamona Thomas Shanahan of Moynard & Lisdanolty John Shanahan of Lisdonolty Conor Shanahan of Kilalonagh & Coolaculla James Sullivan of Ballycarane Daniel ?Swann? of Templemore & Burrisbeg Samuel Smith of Thurles B-----? Sweeny of Burrisbeg James Shea of Thurles Edmond ?Marty? Shea of Thurles John Sweeny of Garranroe John Sweeny [another one] of Garranroe Edmond Shelby of Boulabeha Patrick Sweeny of Boulabeha Michael Shanahan of Coolahulla John Shephard of Templemore Westropp Smith of ---grove? & Adamstown Edmond ?Marty? Shea of P---ville? & Thurles Samuel Smith of Thurles John Sweeny [another one] of Garranroe Conor Shanahan of Kilalonagh & Coolahulla John Shanahan of Lisdonolty Patrick Sweeny of Kilmakill John Trant of Dovea John Talbert of Ballinlonty William Treehy of Thurles Tobias Treehy of Drom Patrick Tierny? of Ballypatrick Daniel Treehy of Drom Rhody Tierney Sr. of Pallashill Patrick Toohy of Templemore T/ Butler Wellington of Templemore Thomas Walsh of Burris Daniel Welsh of Woodville? & Whitefield John Weston of Monaleen & Cool---? Andrew Wall of Cooleemy & Brittas

\the word in in fact Spurious and means bastard which in turn refers to a mixed marriage between a catholic and a protestant A stranger is someone who does not belong to the same parish and as a rule these baptisms referred to between different religions often refer to a stranger, which does suggest to me that they did come from a different parish to have their child baptised and try and avoid the stigma remember if you were classed as illegitimate you could not become certain things in society, ( best way for me to word it ) and other things of course um multis aliis quæ nunc perscribere longum est =with many other matters that it would be tedious now to write in full (i.e., etc., etc., etc.) and generally I have found this is what they mean in a parish register. have the time I feel it was a fancy way of writing etc etc etc ........... Cheers for now Cara

Hello Gay Could the entry have been 'cum multis aliis' which means 'with many others'? Cheers Lynne Sent from my iPad > On 13 Jul 2015, at 15:59, Gay Young via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello All, any suggestions regarding the following? > > Several times I have seen (Dub) or (Dubious) after the given name on a child's birth record and the father's name is followed by what appears to be (Stranger). Sometimes mentioned is the fact that the child is illegitimate. Could this be a child born as the result of an assault? > > Also this 'cum mullis allies' was written on one record - couldn't find anything online to explain it either. > > Many thanks. > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello group, This is a long shot but I figured I would try. William Lonergan had a son named James with Brigid Hamahan on June 5, 1853 which was 3 days before my ancestor, James Gorman, had a son with Mary Dee names William. James & Mary moved to RI, USA and had another son in 1855 with William Lonergan listed as the godfather. I am trying to figure out how they came over from County Tipperary. Specifically, Gammond & Kilcash RC Parish. Thank you, Jim Gorman

While we are on the subject of Baptismal records, can I tell you of my great grandmother's children's records. Great gran had 13 children born alive in her marriage. It states this fact in the 1911 census. It also states that 6 are still alive in 1911, at the time of Census taken. Both of these facts are correct. Yet, in the Baptismal records only six of the children are recorded. Five of the ones that lived into old age, and one of the 7 that died very young. When I asked my great aunt, daughter of great gran, she told me that the Parish Priest at the time was a native of great grans home parish, and a great friend of the said great gran. Apparently, he called on her every day for a chat and a glass or two of whisky. She said he would have baptised the children in the house and probably never got around to recording same in the Book! The said priest travelled on horseback. Great grans husband kept him supplied with hay and oats for the horse. What a pity he never recorded these children. Could something like this have happened in other places? Betty

If you click on Irish Ancestors (bottom of page on NLI parish records) you'll see these are the only records available. It could be for any number of reasons: lost/destroyed never recorded the information at the time not microfilmed You can always check the parish to see if they exist anywhere. It's not unusual for parish records to start in the 1830s. Some priests did not keep records. A pastor may have started the practice and then the next pastor abandoned it.  Mary

Hi Ellen Have you looked at the recently released Catholic Parish Registers ? http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx I just had a very brief look and their marriage is there, I suspect other records will be also going backwards Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/07/2015 13:57, Ellen Legault via wrote: > Hello Listers - > > > > I am a new member to this site, searching for my Hammond ancestors in the > Thurles area - more specifically in Turtulla homeland - Moycarkey parish. > > > > William Hammond and Margaret Butler married Oct. 27, 1844 > > Children: Mary - Aug 1845 > > Ellen - Aug 1846 > > Richard & Hester (twins) - Jan. 1848 > > Bridget - 1852 > > James - 1854 > > Margaret - 1856 > > William - May 1857 > > Anne - Apr 1859 > > Catherine - Mar 1861 > > > > The entire family immigrated to the U.S. in 1863; am looking for family ties > prior to immigration - in the Hammond, Butler & Maher lines. > > > > Thank you, > > Ellen Legault

Ellen, The parish records FINALLY came on-line this week. You can see them on the National Library website at http://registers.nli.ie/ Janet On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Ellen Legault via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Hello Listers - > > > > I am a new member to this site, searching for my Hammond ancestors in the > Thurles area - more specifically in Turtulla homeland - Moycarkey parish. > > > > William Hammond and Margaret Butler married Oct. 27, 1844 > > Children: Mary - Aug 1845 > > Ellen - Aug 1846 > > Richard & Hester (twins) - Jan. 1848 > > Bridget - 1852 > > James - 1854 > > Margaret - 1856 > > William - May 1857 > > Anne - Apr 1859 > > Catherine - Mar 1861 > > > > The entire family immigrated to the U.S. in 1863; am looking for family > ties > prior to immigration - in the Hammond, Butler & Maher lines. > > > > Thank you, > > Ellen Legault > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

While it is a bit disturbing, this story is important. Child skeletons offer ‘unique insight’ of life in a Kilkenny Famine workhouse http://ireland-calling.com/blog/child-skeletons-offer-unique-insight-of-life-in-famine-workhouses/ Ed On 7/12/2015 3:00 PM, Betty Gough via wrote: > I noticed that within the grave yard off the Main Street in Adare, Co. Limerick there is an area > marked for babies. It is on the extreme right by the wall. Next time I am there I will make note of the notice and tell you. Do other graveyards have such spaces? > > This is from an oral history story. Long ago (don't have dates) babies born to single mothers were baptised at midnight. Usually, one sponsor, and male. Anyone know more about this 'custom.' > Betty > >

Freemen Eliogarty 1840 12 1399 Thomas Ryan of Barronstown? Daniel Ryan of Leugh & Drom John Ryan of Glenbane & Monemore Michael Ryan of Lisheen Edmond Ryan of Refanna?? or Rafanna? Michael Ryan of Gurtreigh James Ryan of Kilvecorris Patrick Ryan of Lisheen Thomas Ryan of Cloon Richard Ryan of Cloon Philip Ryan of Cloon Edmond Ryan of Galbooly William Ryan of Thurles Patrick Ryan of Bohernamona Thomas Ryan of Rathmanagh & ?Lugnafallagh? Patrick Ryan of Templemore Richard Ryan of Templemore William Ryan of Templemore William J.? Ryan of Thurles Denis Ryan of Templemore Richard Ryan of Kyle Patrick Ryan of Drom Timothy Ryan of Drom Thomas Ryan of Drom Thomas? Ryan of Thurles & Laharden William Rahill of Grange Martin Ryan of Lisnagangue [spelled many ways] Daniel Ryan of Burrisbeg Richard Ryan of Kile & Garrane John Ryan of Kilcocke Timothy Ryan of Loughbeg John Ryan of Gurtreigh Timothy Ryan of Noord Joseph Ryan of Kilcocke Marcus Carew Russell of Ballydavid John Russell of Ballydavid John Russell of No. 20 Anne Street Circular Road County of the City of Dublin & Newtown George Ryan of Inch House & Inch Patrick Ryan of Templemore Richard Rogers of Templemore Edmond Ryan of Rafanna Timothy Rahill of Grange Thomas Ryan of Galbooly

Freemen Eliogarty 1840 11 1398 Denis ? of Thurles John Meeghan of Mullanes William Nagle of Thurles Edmond Naughton of Stradvoher John O'Meara of Templemore John Bray O'Brien of Turtulla? & Pallas? Hill? Charles O'Keefe of Thurles & ---------ley? Jeremiah O'Mullane of Templemore Maurice O'Carroll of Kilgory Glebe & Rath----? Patrick James O'Kearney of Cashel & Ballycamask? John O'Meara of Templemore Thomas O'Meara of Boherduff & Killahogan? Francis O'Brien of Turtulla? & Pallas Hill Michael Phelan of Templemore William Purcell of Lissaroon William Purcell of Drom & Knockea? Walter Purcell of Lissaroon Thomas Purcell of Annfield James Peacocke of Templemore William Peacocke of Barnaloska? & Templemore Peter Power of Thurles Thomas Power of Thurles William Peacocke of Barna----ach? & Templemore James Peacocke of Templemore Walter Purcell of Lissaroon William Purcell of Lissaroon Thomas Purcell of Annfield Martin Quinlan of Leugh Thomas Quill of Burrisbeg John Quill of Burrisbeg Patrick Quinn? of Thurles Mathew Quinlan of Thurles Mathew Quinlan panother one] of Thurles Martin Quinlan [another one] of Leugh Timothy Rahill of Grange Thomas Ryan of Galbooly Richard Ryan of Thurles John D. Ryan of Inch House & Liscrea James M. Ryan of Gammonsfield? & Lisheenatagart Dominick Ronayne of Dublin & Glenbaun George Ryan of Inch House & Inch William Ryan of Thurles & Corbally John Ryan of Barronstown?

Oh dear... life does sometimes interfere with what we would hope for in proper record keeping.... -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Gough via Sent: July 13, 2015 10:59 AM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Baptismal records....... While we are on the subject of Baptismal records, can I tell you of my great grandmother's children's records. Great gran had 13 children born alive in her marriage. It states this fact in the 1911 census. It also states that 6 are still alive in 1911, at the time of Census taken. Both of these facts are correct. Yet, in the Baptismal records only six of the children are recorded. Five of the ones that lived into old age, and one of the 7 that died very young. When I asked my great aunt, daughter of great gran, she told me that the Parish Priest at the time was a native of great grans home parish, and a great friend of the said great gran. Apparently, he called on her every day for a chat and a glass or two of whisky. She said he would have baptised the children in the house and probably never got around to recording same in the Book! The said priest travelled on horseback. Great grans husband kept him supplied with hay and oats for the horse. What a pity he never recorded these children. Could something like this have happened in other places? Betty When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cath, When you say "the records" there are two kinds, Civil (the government by registration district) and Church (religious by parish). Civil records did not start in Ireland until 1845. Learn more about those here: http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-civil-registration.html The National Library of Ireland just put Parish records on line last week: This is the link for Nenagh Parish, starting as early as 1792. You have to read the records to find what your looking for. http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0804 Good luck! Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA USA On 7/13/2015 9:16 AM, Cathy Dermody via wrote: > Could someone explain why the records for the years early 1800s to about 1830 are not available? > > I've been looking for Dermody/Darmody marriage and births in the years 1810 - 1822 in Nenagh, Tipperary. > > Thank you! > > Cath Dermody

Could someone explain why the records for the years early 1800s to about 1830 are not available? I've been looking for Dermody/Darmody marriage and births in the years 1810 - 1822 in Nenagh, Tipperary. Thank you! Cath Dermody Sent from my iPad

Thanks Nivard! I did find the marriage record, and birth records for the children. Unfortunately, birth records for the parents (William Hammond & Margaret Butler) would have been in the portion of the registers that did not survive... In Moycarkey, there are a few entries in 1817-18, but the registers from1809 - 1830 are not available... I'm hoping another member may have been working on these family lines? Ellen -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: July 13, 2015 9:12 AM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Hammond - Butler Hi Ellen Have you looked at the recently released Catholic Parish Registers ? http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx I just had a very brief look and their marriage is there, I suspect other records will be also going backwards Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/07/2015 13:57, Ellen Legault via wrote: > Hello Listers - > > > > I am a new member to this site, searching for my Hammond ancestors in the > Thurles area - more specifically in Turtulla homeland - Moycarkey parish. > > > > William Hammond and Margaret Butler married Oct. 27, 1844 > > Children: Mary - Aug 1845 > > Ellen - Aug 1846 > > Richard & Hester (twins) - Jan. 1848 > > Bridget - 1852 > > James - 1854 > > Margaret - 1856 > > William - May 1857 > > Anne - Apr 1859 > > Catherine - Mar 1861 > > > > The entire family immigrated to the U.S. in 1863; am looking for family ties > prior to immigration - in the Hammond, Butler & Maher lines. > > > > Thank you, > > Ellen Legault When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Betty, I have found it is one sponsor and female, and often there is one lady from the church that acts as sponsor for most of these children for one or more years. Janet On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Betty Gough via <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I noticed that within the grave yard off the Main Street in Adare, Co. > Limerick there is an area > marked for babies. It is on the extreme right by the wall. Next time I > am there I will make note of the notice and tell you. Do other graveyards > have such spaces? > > This is from an oral history story. Long ago (don't have dates) babies > born to single mothers were baptised at midnight. Usually, one sponsor, > and male. Anyone know more about this 'custom.' > Betty > > > > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. > Thank You. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thankyou Betty , Never thought about it but my mother has 3 witnesses to her marriage in Victoria Australia . 2 were her cousins and one was her husbands sister , I suppose Dad wanted to even up the witnesses so she signed her name twice as big as the others . Laurie Still looking for my Ryans and Tobins of Bansha -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betty Gough via Sent: Sunday, 12 July 2015 9:00 PM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Witnesses at marriages...... Tom wondered about seeing three witnesses at some marriages in the past. Personally, I don't know. Never heard of any particular reason. I imagine the groom and bride wanted more than the usual two witnesses. The third person was probably a relative or friend. Likewise, at Baptism, sponsors were usually two but sometimes only one. I have seen three names, but seldom. Some entries for marriage have names of witnesses that are different to the bride and groom. In those cases one or both may have been an only child. Another reason being that the siblings of one or both have already emigrated. Yet another reason being that the couple are getting married without the approval of family. Betty When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. 2. Delete all the messages above and below the one you are concerned with. Thank You. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers - I am a new member to this site, searching for my Hammond ancestors in the Thurles area - more specifically in Turtulla homeland - Moycarkey parish. William Hammond and Margaret Butler married Oct. 27, 1844 Children: Mary - Aug 1845 Ellen - Aug 1846 Richard & Hester (twins) - Jan. 1848 Bridget - 1852 James - 1854 Margaret - 1856 William - May 1857 Anne - Apr 1859 Catherine - Mar 1861 The entire family immigrated to the U.S. in 1863; am looking for family ties prior to immigration - in the Hammond, Butler & Maher lines. Thank you, Ellen Legault

Hello Tippers! The British Film Institute, BFI has many interesting old news reels and other films. Here are 2 examples regarding Ireland. 1. A simple 1915 newsreel story that reminds us history is never simple. http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-ireland-welcomes-oleary-vc-1915/ Decorated Irish Guardsman Michael O'Leary enjoys a hero's welcome in Dublin, captured in footage filmed with the rough immediacy of the present tense. Within a year, Dublin's Easter Rising would begin the historic chain of events leading to a newly independent nation - forever changing the meaning of images like these. Cork-born O'Leary was one of the most celebrated Irish war combatants, having won the Victoria Cross for singlehandedly taking two German barricades on the Western Front. As suggested here, he and his story were used for recruiting purposes in Ireland, but following independence the British war service of the likes of O'Leary quickly came to be seen as an awkward irrelevance at best. Ireland today is looking afresh at the complex place of World War I in her national story and films like this have their part to play in this fascinating process. NOT BFI. Ireland today has this going on - World War One: Exploring the Irish Experience http://www.nli.ie/en/udlist/current-exhibitions.aspx?article=abc68eeb-0e89-4699-8ddd-fb312e9d1937 http://www.rte.ie/centuryireland/articles/world-war-ireland-exploring-the-irish-experience 2. Ireland - Behind the Wire 1974, 110 mins http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-ireland-behind-the-wire-1974/ The investigative Berwick Street Film Collective were given exclusive access to Belfast's Catholic community. The testimonies and footage of life 'behind the wire' that they captured amounts to a grim but arresting picture of Northern Ireland at the height of The Troubles. One of the Collective's founding members, Marc Karlin, later revealed that the Special Branch seized some of their original footage and the Ministry of Defence pressurised the film technicians' union into erasing some of the frames. Worth spending some time poking around its web site, enjoy! Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA USA