35. Michael Clifford - C 36. Samuel Long - N 37. John Lucas - N 38. Edward Ledger - N 39. Patt Hough - N 40. James Burn - N [Byrne] 41. Peter Burn - N 42. John Nealon - N 43. Patt Capli - N 44. Richard Capli - N 45. Martin Caplis - N 46. Patt Carey - N 47. Darby Ryan - N 48. Pat Kilceary - N 49. Matt Hogan - N 50. John Burke - C 51. Thomas Parker - C 52. John Peters - C 53. Michael Heffernan - C 54. John Fogarty - C 55. Edward Ryan - C 56. Edward Nugent - C 57. William Flanigan - C [Flanagan] 58. Patt Markley - C 59. William O'Brien - C 60. Thomas Grogan - C 61. William Ryan - C 62. James Moloney - C 63. Wi8lliam Dee - C [Dea] 64. Edward Lonergan - C 65. William Gorman - C 66. John Lonergan - C 67. John Duggan - C 68. Pat Shea - C To be cont'd Janet

1. James Bolland - N 2. Thomas Hogan - N 3. Patt Savage - N - Transported 4. Denis Carney - N 5. James Hease - N 6. Michael Darcy - N 7. John Foley - N 8. Michael Mara - N 9. James Mara - N 10. Timothy Kirwan - N 11. Timothy Tierney - N 12. John Brenan - N [Brennan] 13. John Toohey - N [Tuohy] 14. Denis Hassett - N - Transported 15. Patrick Blanchfield - C 16. Thomas Blanchfield - C 17. Michael Laurence - C 18, Garrett Comerford - C 19. John Hanrahan - C 20. James Hanrahan - C 21. Thomas White - C 22. Joseph Rafter - C 23. Thomas Harnett - C 24. Thomas Laurence - C 25. John Halfpenny - C 26. Thomas Toohey - C 27. Michael Ryan - C 28. John Maher - C - Transported 29. James Murphy - C 30. Michael Murphy - C 31. John Mara - C 32. John Brien - C 33. Patt Ryan - C 34. Philip Hickey - C To be cont'd Janet

The first Insurrection Act was passed shortly after the 1798 Revolution. After that it was withdrawn and re-enacted several times, one being in 1823. In 1824, by way of this act 497 Tipp men were arrested and imprisoned from a day to over a month while awaiting trial. I am only going to show the names and where they were tried: "N" for Nenagh and "C" for Cashel. There is no indication of the residence of the accused. You can either check the EPPI site for some additional information in 1824, Vol. 22 pgs 54-69, or if you write me with the man's name and number, I'll pass on the additional bits, but that would only be the reason they were arrested, the date of the trail, and the number of days they were jailed. It also shows whether they were found Not Guilty or transported, and I'll indicate those few that were indicated as transported; whether or not they actually were is a different matter and unknown. The reasons for the arrests were: Absent from residence - I assume while some mischief went on in the area Tumultuously assembling Having concealed arms Posting threatening notices Circulating sedicious papers. Janet

The New York Times, January 21, 1859 Jackson.-In South Brooklyn, at his residence, No. 26 Carrol st., after a protracted illness, William Frances Jackson, late of Cashel, County Tipperary, Ireland, in the 55th year of his age. Hope this helps someone, Mike

Title : "THE UNTOLD STORY of THE C.J.KICKHAM BRASS AND REED BAND TIPPERARY Sub Title : 1882--2007 125 years The Music--The Members--The memories. Author : Michael J. Lynch Editor : Betty Lynch Cost : €20 plus postage Postage : €1.85 within Ireland, € 4.15 to all other countries. Available at : Fitzpatrick Printers, Davis St, Tipperary Town, Ireland, or by writing to: Betty Lynch, Sweet Briar, Rosanna, Tipperary Town, Co.Tipperary.

Would anybody know anything about the Clogheen Fair which used to be held annually - as far back as the 1700s? Ted

Here's the reply from IFHF to my suggestions regarding the information being offered on-line: Dear Ms. O'Connell Thanks for you kind comments. Our online research service is a new initiative and we are monitoring all comments that we receive regarding the site and its ongoing development from our customers. We plan to place all our member counties' records online as well as a central site with all records. This has to be funded from income. There are also large amounts of data still to be computerized, a time consuming and uneconomic task. Yours sincerely IFHF

Tks Rita - I did submit the records to two sites on my return - They were Tony Riordan's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurchrecords/index.html and CMC http://www.cmcrp.net/Tipperary/index.html although I can't pick them up on the second site just quickly - perhaps it was another site. I guess I could send them to a third ... Tks for the tip Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Elkins" <ritaelkins@commspeed.net> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Cashel-Emly parish records index online >> The Nth Tipp search results certainly look to match the transcribed >> records >> the Kilcommon PP copied for me when I visited Tipperary some years >> back. > > Elizabeth, > When the Cloughjordan PP copied some transcribed records for me in > Oct, this is where I sent them. Perhaps you could scan and forward > yours to the IRL archive to be posted also. > > Rita in Arizona > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/tipperary/church/cloughjordan- > bap.txt > > >

Hi Janet, The Nth Tipp search results certainly look to match the transcribed records the Kilcommon PP copied for me when I visited Tipperary some years back. As a pre-1865 example - Julia CONNELL baptised 10/3/1822, Kilcommon, d/o John Connell & Anne WADE show up in the search results for Kilcommon and there are no other Julia Connells from elsewhere in Nth Tipp for that eight year search period i.e. the name is not that common. Likewise for Henry Connell, 20/1/1842, s/o John and Nancy Wade - another relatively uncommon name that shows up under Kilcommon Parish but nowhere else in Nth Tipp over that eight year period. I suspect 'be in quick' as they may be withdrawn when someone realises they have got in via the back door somehow. Stand back for a "terrific fit"! Rgds Elizabeth O'Connell New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Cashel-Emly parish records index online > If No. Tipp does include C & E it would be a miracle or the archbishop > is about to throw a terrific fit. I can't see him releasing those > records for the NR and not the SR. I suspect we may be seeing Killaloe > records and perhaps Protestant records and civil records, but I doubt > any of the RC records are there. > > Janet

Janet, type in Coolcussane in the advanced search in the first box and its the first hit. After that its pages 2005-2008 for that bit I found. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Re Eppi > Mary, I'll be danged if I can find what you saw. I got into 1845 Vol > 20 and found nothing in the Index. Then I did a search on Anacarthy, > Kilpatrick and then Howarden and nothing came up for this vol. or any > other place. Could you, when you have the time, please try to find it > again and give a page no.? > > Janet > > On Dec 5, 2007 10:29 AM, Mary Heaphy <tipwex@eircom.net> wrote: >> The EPPI site is now back on line. >> For those of you who have ancestors in the Dundrum, Rossmore, Kilparick, >> Anacarthy area theres a list of names who were in and around that area >> who >> got compensation for quitting the land on Hawardens estate from 1822 >> onwards. >> This is the Volume year etc. >> 1845- 1845 , Volume 20 >> 616 | Law and practice in respect to the occupation of land in Ireland: >> minutes of evidence: >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary, I'll be danged if I can find what you saw. I got into 1845 Vol 20 and found nothing in the Index. Then I did a search on Anacarthy, Kilpatrick and then Howarden and nothing came up for this vol. or any other place. Could you, when you have the time, please try to find it again and give a page no.? Janet On Dec 5, 2007 10:29 AM, Mary Heaphy <tipwex@eircom.net> wrote: > The EPPI site is now back on line. > For those of you who have ancestors in the Dundrum, Rossmore, Kilparick, > Anacarthy area theres a list of names who were in and around that area who > got compensation for quitting the land on Hawardens estate from 1822 > onwards. > This is the Volume year etc. > 1845- 1845 , Volume 20 > 616 | Law and practice in respect to the occupation of land in Ireland: > minutes of evidence: > > > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The EPPI site is now back on line. For those of you who have ancestors in the Dundrum, Rossmore, Kilparick, Anacarthy area theres a list of names who were in and around that area who got compensation for quitting the land on Hawardens estate from 1822 onwards. This is the Volume year etc. 1845- 1845 , Volume 20 616 | Law and practice in respect to the occupation of land in Ireland: minutes of evidence: Mary

It was a hurricane, Don, and a very unexpected one. The hours before were unusually still and very warm, and then the storm came roaring in embedded with tornados. Sadly it also stalled over Ireland for hours making things worse. The storm surge along the west coast must have been fierce. Although the hurricane itself was very damaging, it was probably the tornados that did the most localized damage. It was scarier because it came in at night, and for anyone who has been here in the country at night, you know how pitch black the night can be. The blackness of the night and the screaming of the wind had to have been horrifying. Janet On Dec 5, 2007 6:11 AM, Donal O'Kelly <ocollaugh@comcast.net> wrote: > When I hear about the Big Wind, I think the event must have been a hurricane > as we know one. > > donkelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Storm buoys off Ireland > > > > Don, This was not just one enormous wave, but one after another for > > hours. I have read much about the Year of the Big Wind, and would hate > > to be here for another! > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 2007 9:10 PM, Donal O'Kelly <ocollaugh@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Wow, the water does get rough around there. In 1984 I helped repair a > >> 1,000 > >> ton fishing boat at Dutch Harbor. The windshield of the wheelhouse was > >> smashed and the spar holding the communication antennas was snapped off > >> 45 > >> feet above the water line. The boat was towed in by a sea going tug and > >> the > >> crew of that said the fishing boat had been struck by a wave about 50 > >> feet > >> high and only survived afloat because the hatches were all closed. The > >> crew > >> arrived ashore on three coast guard choppers. They could not wait to > >> catch a > >> plane home and beat feet out of there. > >> > >> donkelly > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: > > 12/4/2007 10:52 AM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great to see the C&E records on the North Tipp site. My suggestion to them was to enable a search from parents so you can pick up all children from one couple. I also pointed out the cost issue. For me our Pacific Pecos (NZD) make 10 Euros far too expensive (for, really, a bit of a stab in the dark with the common names). A record from the Tipp site will cost me about NZD 20 however on www.scotlandspeople.org.uk I can obtain a copy of the original handwritten entry (baptismal, marriage, census page etc) for about NZD 2.60. Their structure is pay per item which has been fine - a cheaper rate (1 point) for a page of abt 18 search results (you can vary the criteria) and 5 points (NZD 2.60) to view one original document, rather than an annual sub ... very economic shopping! Best regards Eliz. O'C New Zealand > I sent an e-mail to the Irish History Foundation and gave a polite summary > of the comments from the mailing list. My suggestion was that they have > an > annual subscription, like Origins or Findmypast that would allow unlimited > searches. I gave them my prediction that the activity at the site will > drop > dramatically after the initial flurry of tests since the cost per search > is so > high and the results so iffy. > > Theresa Liewer > >

Ted, I goggled the priests' names and found the book "Lives of Irish Martyrs and Confessors" by Miles William Patrick O'Reilly, Richard Brennan & Henry Parnell. There is some mention of Ned Meehan as you read on. Also Sir Edmund Burke, MP wrote to Charles O'Hara in Tipperary on this & other outrageous abuse of the law in Ireland. This was correspondence of Edmund Burke, Volume 1 p.245. Kay -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TED MEEHAN Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:17 AM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Research Request Thanks very much Kay. I haven't seen that yet. Was it sent as an e-mail, or do I need to visit a website? I appreciate your taking the time to have done that. I have been seeking out little snippets of information on this case for a number of years, and every now and then it occurs to me that there may still be some fragments that I haven't found yet. Most of the information focuses on Father Sheehy - as is justified by the fact that he was a clerical leader at the time of his execution. Very little is written about Ned Meehan, beyond the fact that he was a farmer, and several short phrases are attributed to him. In trying to deduce as much as possible from the facts that seem established, it would appear that Ned Meehan was a fairly prominent member of the community in his era. It seems only the prominent Catholics were targeted for prosecution by the Tipperary magistrates of that time. And, he may have been one of the organizers of the Clogheen Fair, since he spent an entire night preparing for it in October 1764. We know that he had 6 children, and - from old family records, I know that he was married to Bridget Hogan. The few utterances that are attributed to him come from his reaction to his death sentence and some eloquent words just before his execution. One more item was reported in one treatment of this case - and it referred to what was a common practice by this group of magistrates, according to nearly every history. It was that on the night before Ned's execution, the magistrates came to him and offered him his life if he would perjure himself and testify that Father Sheehy was a French agent. Ned castigated them for trying to tempt him into participating the unjust execution of an innocent man, and told them to leave. The next day, his execution took place. It must have been horrible. He had to wait and watch Father Sheehy die before him. The sentence of being hung, and drawn and quatered, was beyond what anyone in this age would call barbaric. The victim would be hung until they were nearly dead. Then they were cut down. Their bodies were cut open and their genitals removed while they still lived. Then they were beheaded. Finally, their corpses were violated by having their arms and legs cut off. Ned had to watch this happen to his friend Father Sheehy, knowing that he faced the same fate. He also knew that his wife and family watched, as did many of his friends. Once the ordeal was over, the magistrates mounted the heads of Ned Meehan and Father Sheehy onto pikes outside the Clonmel Courthouse, where they remained for 20 years - as a warning to other Catholics. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathrine Corcoran" <kayslainte@tampabay.rr.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Research Request > HI Ted, > > I copied the brief summary of the trial & I think Mary Heaphy put it on > the > Tipperary list. > > If you can't find the piece, I can type it & email it to you. > > Kay > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TED MEEHAN > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:58 PM > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Research Request > > Slainte! > > I am looking for any local information from Tipperary which may still > be > > around, or possibly in a library or some other repository of old > documents. > Specifically, I am looking for information on The Whiteboys, and/or the > case > > against Fr. Nicholas Sheehy and Edmund "Ned" Meehan, who were executed > together on March 16, 1766 in Clonmel. > > These two were given sham trials, with perjured witnesses - recruited > from the local jails and given inducements (including both money and > pardons > > for capital crimes) to testify against these two. > > Any info is appreciated. > > Ted Meehan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] FW: South Tipperary goes online > > >> While they advertise that South Tipperary and North Tipperary are >> online, none of the Cashel & Emly records are included. >> >> -- >> Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello . Have the RC Church records been listed for the parish of Bansha/Kilmoyer parish for the period 1780 to 1850 . Thanks Laurie Thompson

I'm looking for student lists or graduations from the 1850s and 1860s. Especially school records for Sts Peter & Paul or St. Mary's Clonmel. Any idea of how or where someone Catholic from Clonmel would have become a teacher during those decades? Also seeking information about the music of the 1850s - 1880. Are there any newspaper articles or historical references with names of musicians or music teachers? Has anyone found any citings of local dances, music sessions, dances at the crossroads, music at weddings, wakes, pubs or concert halls. In the Clonmel vicinity, my guess is that the Hearn's Hotel and St. Mary's were the biggest gathering places. Are there back issues of newpapers from those decades on microfilm anywhere? Did they have a church bulletin or regular diocesan publication? How about the poor law records and workhouse registry? thanks very much, Trish **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

It was indeed Goosers where I tipped the pint in Ballina and I am quite shocked to find that a parish within sight of the cathedral in Killaloe would be in the C&E Diocese. BTW, my wife asked for a Harp and was told none was available. When I asked what they DID have on tap they told me "Carling Black Lable and Budweiser." Well, we didn't fly all the way from upstate New York just to have an expensive import brew from the USA. Especially not a hoi polloi brewski. After the Guinness I drove across the rickety narrow bridge across the Shannon to Killaloe, with truck traffic headed the other way. THERE is a driving experience somewhat akin to the Connor Pass. Is that bridge a thousand years old? Sure looked it.

The folks at IHF should be reminded of an old Irish saying regarding greed. "Greedy hogs go to the slaughter-house first". John Dalton Butte, Montana USA

The following Parishes which are in the Diocese of Cashel and Emly are not on the IFHF site for North Tipperary. Borrisoleigh-Ileigh, Drom-Inch, Holycross-Ballycahill, Loughmore-Castleiney, Moycarkey-Two-Mile-Borris, Moye-Templetuohy Templemore-Clonmore, Thurles , Upperchurch-Drombane Mary