Mary Armitage B 1842 Tipperary Residence - Pembroke, Ontario Canada Father - Benjamin Armitage Mother - Winifred Legge Married - 15 Oct 1866 - Renfrew, Ontario Canada Samuel Kitts B 1837 - Liverpool, England Residence - Pembroke, Ontario Canada Father - Samuel Kitts Mother - Elizabeth Johnston

Susan Cotton B - 1857 - Tipperary Father - John Cotton Mother - Jane Clark Married - 4 Dec 1876 - Essex, Essex Co, Ontario Canada Richard W Arnold B 1855 - Mount Brydges Father - John Arnold Mother - Mary Collins

Richard Hodgins B 1841 - Tipperary Residence - Biddulph Township, Ontario Canada Father - Henry Hodgins Mother - Sarah Colbert married - 18 Feb 1869 at Middlesex Co, Ontario Canada Ann Armitage - 18 Feb 1869 B 1852 - Biddulph Township, Middlesex Co, Ontario Canada Father - William Armitage Mother - Ann Turner

Alfred Earnest Archibald B 1882 - Tipperary Ireland Father - Rev F N W Archibald Mother - Elizabeth Howe Married - 12 June 1919 - Brant Co, Ontario Canada Vera A Bremner B 1899 - Brantford Father - William R Bremner Mother - Mary Williams

Loftus Annesley Allen B - 1889 - Tipperary Father - Benjamin William Allen Mother - Harriet Waters Married - 9 Sep 1920 - York Co, Ontario Canada Janet Fraser McNeil B 1897 - Glasgow, Scotland Father - John McNeil Mother - Elizabeth McLaren

Mary Allan B 1839 Tipperary Residence - Stratford, Ontario Canada Father - John Allan Mother - Helen Married - 26 Jul 1858 - Perth Co, Ontario Canada William Ridly B 1837 Northumberland Father - William Ridly Mother - Elizabeth

Mary Carney B 1891 - Tipperary Father - Edward Carney Mother - Mary Gleeson Married 4 Jan 1916 - York Co, Ontario Canada Ezra Howard Annis B 1888 - Oshawa, Ontario Canada Father - Andrew Annis Mother - Mary McKittrick

Eliza Atkinson B 1828 Tipperary Residence, Biddulph, Ontario Canada Father - James Atkinson Mother - Ellen Ralph Married - 2 Oct 1867 - Middlesex Co, Ontario Canada Thomas Rawlings B 1834 London (Ontario? or England?) Residence - Biddulph, Ontario Canada Father - William Rawlings Mother - Elizabeth Culbert

Mike, That is highly possible. There are many different accents, not only among the English, but also among the Irish. The major variations on Cullinan appear to have come about as a substitute for nicknames as far as I can find, but some of the other variations do appear to be speech/accent related. It is also possible that later, post-Cromwell, Coleman becomes one of the anglicized versions of either Colman or "Cullinan" or both, used by those changing religions. Collins is the most usual anglicization, but we might slot Coleman in there tentatively also. In any event, I don't think we can completely ignore it. Soon I have to tackle the 82 St. Colman's, at least in part, and then maybe I can better place the Coleman surname around Tipp. Janet On Dec 13, 2007 4:11 AM, Michael J. McDonald <m.mcdonald@computer.org> wrote: > On Wednesday 12 December 2007 12:29, Janet Crawford wrote: > > but I > > suspect there is also a corruption here corresponding to the other parts > of > > Tipp. > Janet, > I'm not really qualified to weigh in on this , but my comment is more of > a > question anyway. I was wondering about how the name Coleman is typically > pronounced in Ireland. My American-English ears hear it as two syllables, > Coal-Man; might a Gaelic tongue speak it as three syllables, Col-le-man? > I've hear Liam Clancy recite passages of Joyce and the sound helps in > getting the puns in a way that text on a page doesn't allow; might be > a related phenomena going on if an an English scribe were recording names. > > Mike > GGGrandson of Cornelius Callanan of Thurles > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Wednesday 12 December 2007 12:29, Janet Crawford wrote: > but I > suspect there is also a corruption here corresponding to the other parts of > Tipp. Janet, I'm not really qualified to weigh in on this , but my comment is more of a question anyway. I was wondering about how the name Coleman is typically pronounced in Ireland. My American-English ears hear it as two syllables, Coal-Man; might a Gaelic tongue speak it as three syllables, Col-le-man? I've hear Liam Clancy recite passages of Joyce and the sound helps in getting the puns in a way that text on a page doesn't allow; might be a related phenomena going on if an an English scribe were recording names. Mike GGGrandson of Cornelius Callanan of Thurles

That much I know, Pat. Often a surname in an area has an ancestor different than in other areas. In this case, it is possible that Coleman came from one of the St. Colman's that were around Lorrha and Terryglass, but I suspect there is also a corruption here corresponding to the other parts of Tipp. All are different to the other parts of Ireland, which could well come from any of the other St. Colman's. There were 82 of them all together. On the other hand there was a St. Colman close to Glenbane here also. Hmmm. Could be. Then Callanan being called Coleman would be a one-off. Janet On Dec 12, 2007 5:11 PM, Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > According to MacLysaght's, The Surnames of Ireland > > *(O) Colman* /Ó Colmáin/. (The personal name Colman is derived from > /colm/, (dove). A sept of the Ui Fiachrach. Also, /Ó Clumháin/, which > as Coleman and Clifford belongs to Co. Cork. Coleman is an English > name, but few Irish Colemans are of that origin. The name is now > numerous in all the provinces except Ulster. The spelling Coleman is > now more numerous than Colman. > > In the Griffith's Valuation, 19 were listed in County Tipperary. You > can get more info on: > http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/ > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

According to MacLysaght's, The Surnames of Ireland *(O) Colman* /Ó Colmáin/. (The personal name Colman is derived from /colm/, (dove). A sept of the Ui Fiachrach. Also, /Ó Clumháin/, which as Coleman and Clifford belongs to Co. Cork. Coleman is an English name, but few Irish Colemans are of that origin. The name is now numerous in all the provinces except Ulster. The spelling Coleman is now more numerous than Colman. In the Griffith's Valuation, 19 were listed in County Tipperary. You can get more info on: http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Just added Memorials from Glankeen Parish to the IGP Archives. Names: COOKE MACKESY McCULOCH BIDDULPH LALOR This is under Tipperary/Cemetery in Archives. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ SOURCE: Journal of the Association for the Preservation of the Memorials of the Dead in Ireland: vol. v - FHL # 1279285 Cheers, Christina

I am having a problem with the derivation of the surname "Coleman" in Tipperary. Without ever having given it much thought, I assumed it probably derived from one of the St. Colman's from Ely. Then I ran into the Notary Apostolic to the Vicar-General (Inchiquin), Henry O'Cullenan, who is called in other places O'Callanan, and Coleman in 1653, and this has made me look into the surname a little more. I can find a John Coleman who was master of the ship Michael (Mighel) in 1536, out of Kinsale, which might very well make him a Callinan/Cullinan. I can find a Philip Coleman who witnessed a Fogarty will in 1683, I assume in Ely. I can find a few Coleman's on the Hearth Money Rolls. I can find a John Coleman of London, a haberdasher, who was an Adventurer for lands in Ireland, but no record that he ever got lands in Tipperary. Has anyone done much research on this name? In just Tipperary, it seems to coincide with the places where I find Callinan, Cullinan & Quillinan families. I am so tempted to slot it in with the other variations, but am looking for a really good reason not to do so. Janet

1942 - USA WW11 Draft Registration Card 1071 Michael James Coffey Address - 1376 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY Age - 46 Birthdate - Nov 1 1895 Birthplace - Newport, Tipperary Mother - Mrs Michael Coffey, 360 Greenwald St, New York, NY

1942 - USA WW11 Draft Registration Card 2426 James John Maher Address - 2478 Tieboot Avenue, Bronx, NY Age - 55 Birthdate - Aug 3 1886 Birthplace - Tipperary Wife - Catherine Maher

1942 - USA WW11 Draft Registration Card 397 Denis Mulcahy Address - 97 Old Broadway, New York, NY Age - 55 Birthdate - Jan 15 1887 Birthplace - Cashel, Tipperary

1942 - USA WW11 Draft Registration Card 1751 Edward Ryan Address - 217 Grove Street, Walham, MA Age - 60 Birthdate - May 18 1882 Birthplace - Cashen, Tipperary (Cashel?) Wife - Mary Ryan

1942 - USA WW11 Draft Registration Card 2037 Thomas Joseph Murphy Address - Waterbury, New Haven, CT Age - 58 Birthdate - Feb 22 1884 Birthplace - Skeheenarinky, Tipperary Wife - Mrs Elizabeth Murphy

1942 - USA WW11 Draft Registration Card 652 John Powers Address - 382 Columbus Avenue, New Haven, CT Age - 48 Birthdate - Sep 2 1893 Birthplace - Tipperary Wife - Teresa Powers