I too would also like to ask a favour of our cousins in Australia. Would one of you be kind enough to collect the many websites kindly being reported in reply to Janet's request, and summarise them for us so that we don't all have to save them individually. Any offers? Those of us who are members of the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS) are lucky enough to have our own information Store (Wiki). The section on research sources in Australia begins: General National Library of Australia has a webpage of Australian Family History and Genealogy on the Internet, http://www.nla.gov.au/oz/genelist.html http://www.searchwhateveraustralia.com.au/ is "the Australian Genealogy Search Engine and Directory for the most useful Australian and International sites. Extensive lists of convicts, ships, passenger lists, censuses, cemeteries, genealogical clubs and societies and family history sites." Arthur Carden of Horsham, England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Australian websites > I'd like to ask a favor of our cousins in Australia.

Seeking the family of Laurence/Lawrence Ryan believed to be from Tipperary. His mother and father shown on his marriage application was James and Judith Ryan. Lawrence arrived in the US in 1873 and married Mary Delaney the same year. They settled in Boston and had three children, James Joseph; John Patrick and Mary Agnes. Lawrence died in 1920. Mary Delaney's parents were John and Ann Delaney from Dublin. Mary died in 1918. There was some association with the Dunleavy family in Uxbridge, Massachusetts. __________ lvMMMCCIX www.raogk.com Genealogy Volunteer

Janet I will try & get something up by Christmas, it is likely that very few returned to Ireland, it has been estimated that only 5% of convicts came back. Your assumption that their families might have followed them is right, as you may know the Colonial Government did pay for family reunions for well behaved convicts, although there were interruptions to the scheme. In one of the important texts on convict history "Convict Society and Its Enemies" by J.B. Hirst he states: "It was the Irish who took most advantage of the opportunity of bringing their wives and children to the colony" he goes on about Irish "clannishness" and " devotion to their priests" and ends this para "Had there been this degree of attachment among the convicts generally, the colony's history might have been very different " This is a subject dear to my heart, thankyou for your interest Robyn

On 12/18/07, D and R Hardie <darnhard@ozemail.com.au> wrote: he goes on about Irish > "clannishness" and " devotion to their priests" and ends this para "Had > there been this degree of attachment among the convicts generally, the > colony's > history might have been very different " Ah, yes, we are very clannish, even today in many places of the world. And perhaps part of the genealogy research is our [unrealized] attempt to put the clan back together in some way now that we are spread across the world. Ireland is so small that the clannishness is still very evident. Everybody is related to everyone else in some fashion or another. I can't tell you how many times there has been a name in the news, perhaps from the North, and someone here will immediately identify the person as so and so's brother-in-law or cousin. And the devotion to the priests is easy - they were our brothers and cousins and the familial devotion came easily. Many of us are realizing it was not just part of our family that came to PEI, or somewhere in Australia, or Chicago, but whole related communities that emigrated together to the same place. We took a good part of our clan with us when we left. It has taken a huge population growth and mobility to break the ancient ties of the clan. I think it is true that the clan is gone in the large cities, but remains to some extent in the rural areas. Or am I wrong? Janet Janet

My clan all seemed to end up in San Francisco at the turn of the 19th century after being in other places, such as St. John's. Newfoundland and Illinois. We were a large extended family that seemed to have scattered after WW ll like many families. San Francisco in my childhood days was made up of Irish and Italian neighborhoods that no longer exist. There was a flight to the suburbs and then many just lost touch. The church bells that rang all over the city at noon and 6PM are no longer heard. Many of the churches are closed because of low attendance. Time marches on! Tom On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: On 12/18/07, D and R Hardie <darnhard@ozemail.com.au> wrote: he goes on about Irish > "clannishness" and " devotion to their priests" and ends this para > "Had > there been this degree of attachment among the convicts generally, the > colony's > history might have been very different " Ah, yes, we are very clannish, even today in many places of the world. And perhaps part of the genealogy research is our [unrealized] attempt to put the clan back together in some way now that we are spread across the world. Ireland is so small that the clannishness is still very evident. Everybody is related to everyone else in some fashion or another. I can't tell you how many times there has been a name in the news, perhaps from the North, and someone here will immediately identify the person as so and so's brother-in-law or cousin. And the devotion to the priests is easy - they were our brothers and cousins and the familial devotion came easily. Many of us are realizing it was not just part of our family that came to PEI, or somewhere in Australia, or Chicago, but whole related communities that emigrated together to the same place. We took a good part of our clan with us when we left. It has taken a huge population growth and mobility to break the ancient ties of the clan. I think it is true that the clan is gone in the large cities, but remains to some extent in the rural areas. Or am I wrong? Janet Janet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This site may be of interest also: http://www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/databases . Click on ³Family history². Yvonne

Try www.archives.tas.gov.au/nameindexes for convicts and others in Tasmania. Yvonne

a couple to add : http://carmen.murdoch.edu/community/dps/convicts lots of infoabout the system & good links http://www.records.nsw.gov.au the archive for convicts in NSW http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts Claim-a-Convict run by Lesley Uebel details many convicts descendants can connect http://www.convicttrail.org site about 'The Great north Road' handbuilt by convicts Robyn Hardie On Monday, December 17, 2007, at 09:32 PM, Janet Crawford wrote: > I'd like to ask a favor of our cousins in Australia. If any of you have > useful or interesting websites that would help us find information > about our > reles that were transported or immigrated to your lands, please take a > minute and post the addys with a short description of what is to be > found > there. Sometimes Googling is just not enough. If there are sites that > desceribe what life was like for the convicts or immigrants, that > would also > be interesting to many of us. > So I would like to officially :) declare this to be "Australian Week" > on > CoTipperary. Show the world what you can give us, mates. Names named > are > always good. > > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thankyou Phil , I shall contact them . A merry christmas to all and may your brick walls crumble in 2008 . Laurie Thompson Australia researching Ryan--Tobin and Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Buckley To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Fw: Bansha RC Church records The Bansha/Kilmoyler registers don't begin until about 1820 and the records are available now only through the Tipperary Family History Centre.

This one can keep you quiet for a night. http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/cons.htm > I'd like to ask a favor of our cousins in Australia. If any of you have

Hi . Can anyone answer this question . Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurie Thompson To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Bansha RC Church records Hello . Have the RC Church records been listed for the parish of Bansha/Kilmoyer parish for the period 1780 to 1850 . Thanks Laurie Thompson

Hi all felt it was time to express my appreciation for these great Tipperary lists and wish all a Merry Christmas. In particular thanks to Janet, Mary & Christine for their energy & generosity. I didn't find any of my rels on the list of men arrested under the Act but was intrigued by the list of transportees, so started having a look at who on the list actually did end up in Australia. So far it looks like 25 of the 35 named as transported were, and in short order; they were almost all agricultural labourers, ploughman, shearers, fencers reapers ( there was one soldier and one indoor servant) and I haven't yet found any other sentence than 7 years which was the shortest given to transportees. Unfortunately the actual 'crime' was often not specified in this period but it's likely that there wasn't violence involved or they would have been given longer sentences. It's an irony that men who were probably protesting about their inability to earn their living because of lack of work were sent to a place where they could be used as cheap labour but where their services were in demand. Robyn Hardie Sydney

And this one too. http://www.coraweb.com.au/ireland.htm Happy hunting and Merry Christmas to all Mike in Denmark At 14:31 17-12-2007, you wrote: >This one can keep you quiet for a night. >http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/cons.htm > > > > > I'd like to ask a favor of our cousins in Australia. If any of you have > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Try this one. http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust.htm It also has additional sites listed for each state. Regards Brenda > > I'd like to ask a favor of our cousins in Australia. If any of you have > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail

The Rootsweb lists computer program has a built-in feature that will automatically unsub anyone whose personal mailbox fills up and starts bouncing back messages as undeliverable as the mailbox is full. I can't do anything about it. At this time of year, those mailboxes can fill pretty fast. If you sudeenly stop getting CoTipp mail, check your mailbox and [I'm sorry] you will have to resub back in. I'm seeing enough of these bounce messages happening lately, so I thought I'd better alert you to the problem. Janet

I'd like to ask a favor of our cousins in Australia. If any of you have useful or interesting websites that would help us find information about our reles that were transported or immigrated to your lands, please take a minute and post the addys with a short description of what is to be found there. Sometimes Googling is just not enough. If there are sites that desceribe what life was like for the convicts or immigrants, that would also be interesting to many of us. So I would like to officially :) declare this to be "Australian Week" on CoTipperary. Show the world what you can give us, mates. Names named are always good. Janet

Thank you, Robyn, for looking up the fate of the transportees. Perhaps when you have finished, you could add an addendum to the Arrests List as to when they arrived where and the length of the sentence. It appears here that most of them were just "absent from home" when some mischief was going on in the neighborhood, and so were implicated in the trouble. It would also be interesting to know if they stayed in Australia or returned back to Ireland, but that might be too much to ask of you, or too hard to determine. I would assume that if they stayed, their family, or part of them, would follow them. Janet On Dec 17, 2007 7:41 AM, D and R Hardie <darnhard@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > Hi all > felt it was time to express my appreciation for these great Tipperary > lists and wish all a Merry Christmas. > In particular thanks to Janet, Mary & Christine for their energy & > generosity. > I didn't find any of my rels on the list of men arrested under the Act > but was intrigued by the list of transportees, so started having a look > at who on the list actually did end up in Australia. > So far it looks like 25 of the 35 named as transported were, and in > short order; they were almost all agricultural labourers, ploughman, > shearers, fencers reapers ( there was one soldier and one indoor > servant) and I haven't yet found any other sentence than 7 years which > was the shortest given to transportees. Unfortunately the actual > 'crime' was often not specified in this period but it's likely that > there wasn't violence involved or they would have been given longer > sentences. > It's an irony that men who were probably protesting about their > inability to earn their living because of lack of work were sent to a > place where they could be used as cheap labour but where their services > were in demand. > Robyn Hardie Sydney > _______________________________________________________ > Websites for Tipperary: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/ > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip/tipperary.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/tipperary/index.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Bansha/Kilmoyler registers don't begin until about 1820 and the records are available now only through the Tipperary Family History Centre. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Thompson" <lt030329@bigpond.net.au> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:25 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Fw: Bansha RC Church records > Hi . Can anyone answer this question . Laurie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Laurie Thompson > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:19 AM > Subject: Bansha RC Church records > > > Hello . Have the RC Church records been listed for the parish of > Bansha/Kilmoyer parish for the period 1780 to 1850 . Thanks Laurie > Thompson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From "Historic Graves in Glasnevin Cemetery" by R.J. O'Duffy. Published in 1915. pg 163 D.C. O'KEEFFE Had a love stronger than death for the antiquities of his native Cashel. He left an injunction that a memorial typical of his country should be place above his grave. "This monument, a restored copy of the ancient cross on the Rock of Cashel, was, in accordance with his wish, erected to his memory by his nephew, Stephen Martin Lanigan O'KEEFFE, of Glanagyle, Co. Tipperary." O'KEEFFE, whose residence was Richmond House, Templemore, died at the ripe old age of eighty-four. Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/

Julia Ardell or Osdell B - 1838 Tipperary Residence - Ottawa, Carleton Co, Ontario Canada Father - Jonathan Ardell Mother - Marcella Piker Married 30 Jul 1859 at Ottawa, Carleton Co, Ontario Canada Peter Atkinson B 1838 - Ireland Residence - New Edinburgh, Ontario Canada Father - George Atkinson Mother Margaret Bellantine