March 30th 1864 Times Newspaper. Landed Estates Court Ireland. In the Estate of Jonathan Richard Willington, Owner James Roche, Petitioner. To be sold, before the Hon Judge Hargreave, at his Court on the Inn's Quay, in the City of Dublin, on Friday 13th Day of May 1864 at noon, the Mansion House, Demesne, Plantations and Lands, comprising the Estate of Killoskehane, comprising the Estate of Killoskehane, containing in the whole 1,305 acres, situate in the Barony of Ikerrin, in the County of Tipperary, all held in fee-farm, in the following lots;-- Lot 1 789 acres approx. Net rent £391. Lot 2 406 acres approx. Net rent £721. Lot 3 110 acres approx. Net rent £205. R. Denny Urlin, Examiner. Dated this day 11th March 1864. The above Estate is situate within four miles of Templemore, eight miles Roscrea, twelve miles Nenagh, all important market towns, and the latter an Assize town, and all Stations on the Great Southern and Western Railway, or its branch from Roscrea to Limerick. The lands are known as amongst the best feeding lands in the Kingdom. They lie within a ring fence, and are divided and bounded by roads, and are well watered and sheltered. The house and offices stand on lot 2, on which there is a large quantity of valuable forest, as well as some fine ornamental timber, which, in 1854 was valued by Joseph Kincaide, Esq. at over £2000, and of which a considerable quantity might be cut down, without disfiguring the place. In Mr. Kincaide's report in 1854, he states it to be the best feeding land, and of the most superior fattening description , capable of turning off two successions of fat cattle in the year, without any assistance whatever from hay, turnips or other artificial food, and he estimates it as fully equal to the land in the best feeding districts in England, which brings £3 (Or £8) per statute acre. For rentals and maps apply at the Office of the Landed Estates Court, Dublin, to Archer Coates, Solicitor, 77 Dame Street. Joseph Hanley, Solicitor, 25 Lower Gradiner Street. George Bolton, Solicitor, having Carriage of Sale, No 6 Ely Place, Dublin and Nenagh.

Looking at Headstones from Joe RYAN. Do you have any RYAN family that came to Australia please? TRISH ----- Original Message ---- From: "cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com" <cotipperary-request@rootsweb.com> To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 29 December, 2007 6:33:26 PM Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 351 Today's Topics: 1. New Headstone photos in IGP Archives (Christina Hunt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:57:26 -0500 From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] New Headstone photos in IGP Archives To: IRL-TIPPERARY-L <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com>, cotipperary-L <cotipperary-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20071228225726.005304@VALUED-3253602F> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks to a nice contribution from Joe Ryan - I have added 27 (total) images from the following cemeteries in Tipperary: Ballyneale Cemetery in Ballyneale, near Carrick-on-Suir, Tipperary Hore Abbey Kilcash Cemetery Kilsheelan Cemetery Old Kilcash Cemetery - (1 mile from Ballyneale) Rock of Cashel, Tipperary St. Mary's Thurles Many are RYANS. Also of interest we added images from Abingdon Cemetery in *Limerick*. More Ryans. Also the monument for the Abbey of Owney and Theobald Butler is pictured. I will try to get the rest of the text files done tomorrow. It is late now. I wanted to get the photos online for viewing anyway. To view go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ Click on TIPPERARY & then HEADSTONES. Even if you don't find a clue, it is a nice meander through Tipperary Cemeteries. :) Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives ======================= ------------------------------ To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to COTIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 351 ******************************************* Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail

Thanks to a nice contribution from Joe Ryan - I have added 27 (total) images from the following cemeteries in Tipperary: Ballyneale Cemetery in Ballyneale, near Carrick-on-Suir, Tipperary Hore Abbey Kilcash Cemetery Kilsheelan Cemetery Old Kilcash Cemetery - (1 mile from Ballyneale) Rock of Cashel, Tipperary St. Mary's Thurles Many are RYANS. Also of interest we added images from Abingdon Cemetery in *Limerick*. More Ryans. Also the monument for the Abbey of Owney and Theobald Butler is pictured. I will try to get the rest of the text files done tomorrow. It is late now. I wanted to get the photos online for viewing anyway. To view go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ Click on TIPPERARY & then HEADSTONES. Even if you don't find a clue, it is a nice meander through Tipperary Cemeteries. :) Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives =======================

HAVE A VERY hAPPY CHRISTMAS DAY. & hopefully a NEW YEAR WITH < HOPEFULLY More rain at the right time.> WILL CATCH UP NEXT YEAR. fROM lESLEY ROBERTS. NARROMINE.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D and R Hardie" <darnhard@ozemail.com.au> To: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@eircom.net> Cc: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Convicts > Janet > I will try & get something up by Christmas, it is likely that very few > returned to Ireland, it has been estimated that only 5% of convicts > came back. Your assumption that their families might have followed them > is right, as you may know the Colonial Government did pay for family > reunions for well behaved convicts, although there were interruptions > to the scheme. In one of the important texts on convict history > "Convict Society and Its Enemies" by J.B. Hirst he states: > "It was the Irish who took most advantage of the opportunity of > bringing their wives and children to the colony" he goes on about Irish > "clannishness" and " devotion to their priests" and ends this para "Had > there been this degree of attachment among the convicts generally, the > colony's > history might have been very different " > This is a subject dear to my heart, thankyou for your interest > Robyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the Clonmel Chronicle.30-7-1888 Evicted in his Coffin. One of the most extraordinary incidents that has yet occurred in connection with evictions took place in Cashel on Monday last. At the last petty sessions held in Cashel the representatives of the late Mr. Daniel Kyte proceeded against a weekly tenant named Mr. Frank Dwyer for possession of a weekly tenement, situate in William Street, for non payment of rent. The defence set up was that Mr. Kyte had left Dwyer the house, together with a coffin, which he kept beside him in his room, but notwithstanding this contention the Justices gave a decree for possession. Before the eviction Dwyer, better known as "Franky Doodle" made preparations on a somewhat extended scale to barricade the place. On Monday morning the town bailiff proceeded with a party of police to William Street to carry out the orders of the magistrates. The house, as already stated, was barricaded. "Franky" making his appearance at one of the windows, shouting, "You can't evict me out of the coffin. I will go into the coffin, and you must put me out, coffin and all". After some further parley on the part of "Franky" and the police, he agreed to give up possession, but only on the condition that he should be evicted while in his coffin. The key of the door was then thrown down, and the barricades being removed, the bailiffs and police entered at once, proceeded to put "Franky" out, whom they still found lying in the coffin. Owing, however to the stairs being so narrow they had to put the coffin, with its living inmate, out through one of the windows. The sight was certainly a novel one, and not without its amusing aspect--bailiff and police lowering an unpainted and open coffin, within which was stretched, or rather reclined, "Franky" in excellent health, and wearing a high silk hat, around which was twisted an old veil. As he descended he protested to the assembled crowd against his "illegal eviction," but if one was to judge from the boisterous laughter that was heard on all sides the spectators seemed greatly to enjoy the scene. As soon as the coffin reached terra firma the "Boys" who seemed inclined for more fun, raised it up, placed it on their shoulders, and proceeded up the main street, followed by a large gathering cheering lustily for "Franky" as he sat upright in it.

Those of you contemplating a near term order of records from the Irish Family History Foundation may find this an attractive offer. Merry Christmas, Phil Buckley Best wishes for a Happy Christmas and New Year from the Irish Family History Foundation and its member centres. Thank you for your support over the past few months. We hope that many more county centres will come online in the first quarter of 2008 and we will also be launching our central search site. We have a special price reduction in place for the week of Christmas only. >From Monday 24th December to Friday 28th December 2007 the price to purchase a record will be (euro)5.00 instead of (euro)10.00. So we hope that you will be able to find some time in this busy holiday season to search for your Irish ancestry. Please login at http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/ Yours sincerely IFHF Note: You received this message because you are registered with one or more of the Irish Family History Foundation websites. However, if you don't want to receive emails from us we won't send them! To unsubscribe from future email alerts, login to any of the above sites and alter your Mailing list preferences under My Account.

Thank you Janet and Pat. I will install FTM 2008 in a dedicated directory as Pat suggests and see how it goes - also taking advice from Rootsweb's FTM lists as necessary. But that will be after the Christmas holiday. Best wishes for the festive season. Mike in Denmark At 18:31 23-12-2007, you wrote: > > > > I hate to have anyone think 2008 is not good when perhaps we just > don't know how to > > use it properly. > >Janet is right. I didn't say it wasn't good, I just had problems with >it because it was so different and I haven't had the time to really get >to know it. If I were you, I would install in a different directory and >then copy your family file to it. That is what I did, so I can use both >the old and new. Write me off list if you don't know how to do this. > >-- >Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just added the most recent additions to Protestant Marriages by Tim Boderck. These are 1859 for Tipperary Town & Roscrea. The marriages are under Vitals - Marriages. I have also added Mary Heaphy's new Coroner's Reports for 1834 & 1835. These and her others can be found on the menu by sliding your cursor over Vitlas - Death Related - Inquests. I wanted to wish you all a joy filled Christmas. Christina County Tipperary Ireland Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/

> > I hate to have anyone think 2008 is not good when perhaps we just don't know how to > use it properly. Janet is right. I didn't say it wasn't good, I just had problems with it because it was so different and I haven't had the time to really get to know it. If I were you, I would install in a different directory and then copy your family file to it. That is what I did, so I can use both the old and new. Write me off list if you don't know how to do this. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks to the good work of Phil Buckley I have five more civil parish tithe applotments online. They are Caher, Dogstown, Inishlounaght, Knockgraffon and Mortlestown. You can find links to them on the Tipperary section of my website (url under my name). -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Pat your comment about FTM 2008 is disappointing. I received a trial version of FTM 2005 SE with the Christmas issue #19 of 'Your Family History' in 2004. I recently installed it and have used it for a while but could not come further as several functions are not available for free. I wanted to upgrade but found that this was impossible - the program asked for an unlock code which I did not have. Ancestry said that the only option available to me was to buy FTM 2008 which I did. I have not yet installed it and following your comment am now wondering if I should not send it back unopened. Does anyone else have poor experience of FTM 2008? Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all listers Mike in Denmark At 18:23 22-12-2007, you wrote: >If you don't get your answer, there are three Rootsweb lists dedicated >to the Family Tree Maker software programs and you might want to join >one of them and see if one of the 'experts' can help you. Go to: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/ >In the 'Find a mailing list' box, put in Family Tree Maker and you will >get a number of lists to check out which one fits your program. > >I have been working with FTM 10 for years and find it okay for what I >want. Then I got sent FTM 2008 free due to the Ancestry ads I have on >my website. I don't really like it because I find it difficult to work >with plus it doesn't seem to have all the features the old program had. > >-- >Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rather than rumbling and fumbling and leaving, perhaps, the wrong impression, I think Pat's suggesstion to go to Rootsweb's FTM lists is the best one. There you can get some expert advice. I hate to have anyone think 2008 is not good when perhaps we just don't know how to use it properly. Janet

If you don't get your answer, there are three Rootsweb lists dedicated to the Family Tree Maker software programs and you might want to join one of them and see if one of the 'experts' can help you. Go to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ In the 'Find a mailing list' box, put in Family Tree Maker and you will get a number of lists to check out which one fits your program. I have been working with FTM 10 for years and find it okay for what I want. Then I got sent FTM 2008 free due to the Ancestry ads I have on my website. I don't really like it because I find it difficult to work with plus it doesn't seem to have all the features the old program had. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Some of you may be taking off soon to go home for the holidays, so let me take this time to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a most happy New Year. And for a special wish, may each of you find your long sought ancestor in 2008. Janet

Nollaig sHona! Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Tis the season > Some of you may be taking off soon to go home for the holidays, so let > me take this time to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a most happy > New Year. And for a special wish, may each of you find your long > sought ancestor in 2008. > > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am hoping one of you can help me with a problem I am having with FTM. Feel free o reply directly to me rather than fill other's mailboxes with unwanted mail... dan@structuredinc.com This is my problem/dilemma: I had a father with one son entered (has been there with lots of subsequent ancestors below the son for a long time...). I recently added two more sons (brothers to the son). All done as normal... Here is the problem - when I call for any "descendant" report or tree graphic, it shows the two new additions, but now the first son does not show. Ie the only descendants appear to be the second and third son that were recently added. This happens even though they all agree to be brothers and father/son in every other view and/or report! I hope this description is clear and that some of you have had the same problem so you can guide me to the solution... Thanks, Dan

Hi All, Quite a few Irish women to be found in the following list of Australian nuns (if you download the database) and can often provide useful birth and death details and other dates: http://www.stbedes.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/br/ Cheers, Jo Mitchell Geelong, Australia

Even though the clan may have gone in the cities & to some extent even from rural society at least in Australia, I believe there is a sense of loss, and the obsession many of us have with our family history is an effort to overcome this. In a practical sense I have met up with many cousins, through my researches, much removed in a lot of instances but it's really satisfying to know these people who in other circumstances would just have been ordinary rels. I wonder if other listers have had as much fun as I have finding other 3rd& 4th generation survivors of our clan scattered far & wide. If it hadn't been for a certain convict family we'd have never made it here. robyn On Wednesday, December 19, 2007, at 05:39 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > On 12/18/07, D and R Hardie <darnhard@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > he goes on about Irish >> "clannishness" and " devotion to their priests" and ends this para >> "Had >> there been this degree of attachment among the convicts generally, the >> colony's >> history might have been very different " > > Ah, yes, we are very clannish, even today in many places of the world. > And perhaps part of the genealogy research is our [unrealized] attempt > to put the clan back together in some way now that we are spread > across the world. > Ireland is so small that the clannishness is still very evident. > Everybody is related to everyone else in some fashion or another. I > can't tell you how many times there has been a name in the news, > perhaps from the North, and someone here will immediately identify the > person as so and so's brother-in-law or cousin. And the devotion to > the priests is easy - they were our brothers and cousins and the > familial devotion came easily. > Many of us are realizing it was not just part of our family that came > to PEI, or somewhere in Australia, or Chicago, but whole related > communities that emigrated together to the same place. We took a good > part of our clan with us when we left. It has taken a huge population > growth and mobility to break the ancient ties of the clan. I think it > is true that the clan is gone in the large cities, but remains to some > extent in the rural areas. Or am I wrong? > > Janet > > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is alot of various info here,but mainly Sth Aust. WWW.familyhistorysa.info/. Anne.

All the sites so far have been terrific, but, Jo, the site for the Australian nuns is truly unique - so many were born in Tipp! And good supplementary information to boot. Keep them coming! Janet On 12/19/07, Joanne Mitchell <jomitch@ncable.net.au> wrote: > Hi All, > > Quite a few Irish women to be found in the following list of Australian nuns > (if you download the database) and can often provide useful birth and death > details and other dates: > > http://www.stbedes.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/br/ > > Cheers, > > Jo Mitchell > Geelong, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >