17-3-1852 A Dublin letter in the Limerick Chronicle supplies the following statistics in reference to the emigration from the former port:-- "Talking of emigration, it is idle to ask--Where will it end,? Why it is only beginning.? In the Liffey this moment there are three vessels advertised to sail this week--The Coronet (Roche Brothers), an admirable ship, capable of accommodating comfortably 300 people, the Samuel (Miley) also about 300; and another shy looking craft, rather the worse for wear, which has been christened the British Queen, belonging to a third house. Here, then, this very week, nearly 1000 people will leave this port alone for the 'Model republic'. But this affords a very imperfect idea of the depopulating drain which is going on, and which is last causing Ireland literally to sink into the bosom of the Atlantic. We have two companies, you are aware, engaged in a goods and passenger traffic between Dublin and Liverpool--The old established City of the Dublin Steam Packet Company, and its new rival, the Scotch Company. The former starts two steamers every night, and, when the demand renders it necessary, a third, each containing 300 to 400 passengers, 99 out of 100 being intending emigrants proceeding to take their berths in vessels lying in Liverpool. The Scotch Company has one vessel every evening, but it is also invariably well supplied. So that we have this result staring us in the face:---From this port alone, either direct to America, or via Liverpool, you have an exodus of the Irish people to the tune of at least 7000 people every week. Roche Brothers, alone, have within the last few months despatched upwards of 8000 emigrants for shipment to Liverpool. A friend, who returned this morning from a tour of Tipperary, Limerick, and Clare, assures me that if the current of migration proceeds in its present full and rapid flood, Ireland, if inhabited at all in five years hence, will not be peopled by Irishmen-at least so far as the South and West are concerned. The people, he alleges, who have been in the habit of paying 30/s. an acre will not now remain on the land if it were reduced to 20/.s or 10/.s,--they will have it at no price. Their minds are completely made up to go after their friends---to go home, that home not being 'Old Ireland' but the 'Far West'. In Parish after Parish he found hundreds of people on the eve of starting for the nearest sea-port, the principal delay in most cases being caused by the necessity of turning the crops into cash. It is not for me to moralize on this condition of things-unprecedented in the history of any people since the days of Moses--but it might be a very proper theme for the study of the first Cabinet Council that is announced to be held. In March 1841, the population of Ireland was 8,175124; and there can be no doubt that, before 1846, it had increased to near 9,000000. On the 30th of March 1851, the population of Ireland was only 6,515724, which number has been still further reduced through subsequent emigration. The United States Census of 1850 showed a gross population of 23,000000. According to the statistical tables presented by Mr. William F. Robinson. M.A., in his lecture delivered on the 22nd July, 1851, before the delegates of some American Universities and Colleges assembled at Clinton, in the State of New York, that mixed population was made up as follows:--- Irish Born-------------------------3,000000. Irish by blood--------------------4,500000. French and other celts----------3,000000. German, birth or blood---------5,500000. Anglo Saxon by birth or Blood------3,500000. Coloured, Free or Slave.--------------3,500000 Total-------------------------------------23,000000. >From these figures it appears that, at the commencement of the present year (1851), the total number of Irish, by birth or blood, inhabiting either Ireland or the United States was about 14,000000;--of whom about 6,500000 were then in Ireland, and the remaining 7,500000 in the States, where they constituted the most industrious and enterprising portion of the active population. It may be fairly estimated that, before the next decennial census of 1860-1861, the above 14,000000 of Irish will have increased to about 16,000000; of whom, should Irish emigration continue to proceed at a rate exceeding a quarter of a million per annum, it is not improbable that about 12,000000 may be found in the United States, and not more, perhaps, than, 4,000000 in Ireland, including among the latter number most of the impotent poor, and the least energetic portion of the Irish people. The United States would thus become three times as Irish as Ireland. Dublin Evening Post.

Pat, another great posting of historical significance. This list is hot! Carmen-Pittsburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Michael Doheny biography This is from: A Biographical Dictionary of Tipperary by Martin O'Dwyer DOHENY, Michael. Young Irelander. Born: Brookhill, near Fethard, Co. Tipperary 22nd May 1805. He was self-educated and worked on his father's farm. He was 21 when he first attended school due to the poverty his family experienced. He also taught children of the local area, to facilitate the expenses of his education. He move to London and wrote material to pay for his studies in the Middle Temple. He entered Gray's Inn in 1834 and became an esteemed member of the Bar of the Southern circuit. By the age of 30, he was an accomplished barrister. When he came back to Ireland, he married Jane O'Dwyer from Tipperary, daughter of Morgan O'Dwyer and the aunt of Dr. O'Dwyer, Bishop of Limerick. He was selected as legal advisor to the Borough of Cashel. In this post he recovered for the Municipality a vast amount of property and in 1842 joined the Repeal movement. There was an epidemic of cholera in Cashel and Michael helped as much as he could, often times carrying the victims to the hospital. Like John Blake Dillon, he was against the radical ways of John Mitchell but still took part in the Rising of 1848. When the association was taken over by the English Whigs he left and entered the Young Irelanders. He contributed to the "Nation" and became a confederate. There was a reward of £300 on his head so he left for America from Cork aboard the "Juverna" to London and then Paris. At the failure of the 1848 rebellion he fled to America accompanied by James Stephens. On his arrival to America he was welcomed by Judge Emmett and immediately began to plan another insurrection for the Irish forces. He became involved with the Irish Republican Union that was established in New York in 1849. This organisation set up the primary military company in America to assist the Irish Revolutionists. They were called the "Irish Fusilier" and later became know as the "Mitchel Guards, Co. C, 9th Regiment New York State Militia". The Union was arranged into companies and Doheny was elected Captain of one. In may 1850 they were officially admitted into the service of the State and were known as the Ninth Regiment New York State Militia and on St Patrick's Day, 1851 they took part in the parade wearing green uniforms. The second Irish regiment was set up, the 69th, and Doheny became Lieutenant Colonel till his resignation in 1853. He was later chosen as Colonel of the Seventy-Fifth (Irish Rifles) Regiment, a third of the Irish regiments consolided in the State Militia, the 69th. Doheny had a close affiliation with the Emmet Monument Association that forewent the Fenian Brotherhood. He was editor of the "Phoenix" newspaper tht he set up with Stephens and O'Mahony. Doheny was part of an American commission that escorted the remains of Terence Bellew MacManus to Ireland in 1861. Doheny wanted this to herald the start of a Revolution, he had informed Joseph Deneiffe before his departure but the Revolution did not take place as John O'Mahony, who had been in Ireland in 1861, felt that they were not yet ready. Doheny spoke all over Ireland including the National Reading Room, Cork, 2nd November 1861. In 1849 he published an exciting account of the '48 movement and the after effects entitled "The Felon's Track: History of the Attempted Outbreak in Ireland". He also wrote poetry the most well known being "A Chuisle Gheal Mo Chroe" and "The Outlaws Wife". In later editions of this book Arthur Griffiths wrote a preface and appendices. He set up the Fenian brotherhood in America with James Stephens and John O'Mahony and worked there as a lawyer. He wrote and spoke in Irish. His two sons followed in their father's footsteps - they fought in the Federal ranks and were jailed in '67. His nephen, Edward L. Doheny became a millionaire in the Californian and Mexican oil business and was chosen by Eamon de Valera as leader of the American Committee for Relief in Ireland in 1920. Michael died suddenly in New York, 1st April 1863, aged 57 and is buried in Calvary Cemetery. Among the mourners at his funeral were John O'Mahony, John Savage, Richard O'Gorman and John Kavanagh. Michael Kavanagh published a biography of Michael's life in a series of articles in the "Celtic Monthy" called "Our Dead Comrades". -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Pat, for the article on Mike Doheny. Phil Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: This is from: A Biographical Dictionary of Tipperary by Martin O'Dwyer DOHENY, Michael. Young Irelander. Born: Brookhill, near Fethard, Co. Tipperary 22nd May 1805. He was self-educated and worked on his father's farm. He was 21 when he first attended school due to the poverty his family experienced. He also taught children of the local area, to facilitate the expenses of his education. He move to London and wrote material to pay for his studies in the Middle Temple. He entered Gray's Inn in 1834 and became an esteemed member of the Bar of the Southern circuit. By the age of 30, he was an accomplished barrister. When he came back to Ireland, he married Jane O'Dwyer from Tipperary, daughter of Morgan O'Dwyer and the aunt of Dr. O'Dwyer, Bishop of Limerick. He was selected as legal advisor to the Borough of Cashel. In this post he recovered for the Municipality a vast amount of property and in 1842 joined the Repeal movement. There was an epidemic of cholera in Cashel and Michael helped as much as he could, often times carrying the victims to the hospital. Like John Blake Dillon, he was against the radical ways of John Mitchell but still took part in the Rising of 1848. When the association was taken over by the English Whigs he left and entered the Young Irelanders. He contributed to the "Nation" and became a confederate. There was a reward of £300 on his head so he left for America from Cork aboard the "Juverna" to London and then Paris. At the failure of the 1848 rebellion he fled to America accompanied by James Stephens. On his arrival to America he was welcomed by Judge Emmett and immediately began to plan another insurrection for the Irish forces. He became involved with the Irish Republican Union that was established in New York in 1849. This organisation set up the primary military company in America to assist the Irish Revolutionists. They were called the "Irish Fusilier" and later became know as the "Mitchel Guards, Co. C, 9th Regiment New York State Militia". The Union was arranged into companies and Doheny was elected Captain of one. In may 1850 they were officially admitted into the service of the State and were known as the Ninth Regiment New York State Militia and on St Patrick's Day, 1851 they took part in the parade wearing green uniforms. The second Irish regiment was set up, the 69th, and Doheny became Lieutenant Colonel till his resignation in 1853. He was later chosen as Colonel of the Seventy-Fifth (Irish Rifles) Regiment, a third of the Irish regiments consolided in the State Militia, the 69th. Doheny had a close affiliation with the Emmet Monument Association that forewent the Fenian Brotherhood. He was editor of the "Phoenix" newspaper tht he set up with Stephens and O'Mahony. Doheny was part of an American commission that escorted the remains of Terence Bellew MacManus to Ireland in 1861. Doheny wanted this to herald the start of a Revolution, he had informed Joseph Deneiffe before his departure but the Revolution did not take place as John O'Mahony, who had been in Ireland in 1861, felt that they were not yet ready. Doheny spoke all over Ireland including the National Reading Room, Cork, 2nd November 1861. In 1849 he published an exciting account of the '48 movement and the after effects entitled "The Felon's Track: History of the Attempted Outbreak in Ireland". He also wrote poetry the most well known being "A Chuisle Gheal Mo Chroe" and "The Outlaws Wife". In later editions of this book Arthur Griffiths wrote a preface and appendices. He set up the Fenian brotherhood in America with James Stephens and John O'Mahony and worked there as a lawyer. He wrote and spoke in Irish. His two sons followed in their father's footsteps - they fought in the Federal ranks and were jailed in '67. His nephen, Edward L. Doheny became a millionaire in the Californian and Mexican oil business and was chosen by Eamon de Valera as leader of the American Committee for Relief in Ireland in 1920. Michael died suddenly in New York, 1st April 1863, aged 57 and is buried in Calvary Cemetery. Among the mourners at his funeral were John O'Mahony, John Savage, Richard O'Gorman and John Kavanagh. Michael Kavanagh published a biography of Michael's life in a series of articles in the "Celtic Monthy" called "Our Dead Comrades". -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Phil Collins, in Western Massachusetts, U.S.A.

This is from: A Biographical Dictionary of Tipperary by Martin O'Dwyer DOHENY, Michael. Young Irelander. Born: Brookhill, near Fethard, Co. Tipperary 22nd May 1805. He was self-educated and worked on his father's farm. He was 21 when he first attended school due to the poverty his family experienced. He also taught children of the local area, to facilitate the expenses of his education. He move to London and wrote material to pay for his studies in the Middle Temple. He entered Gray's Inn in 1834 and became an esteemed member of the Bar of the Southern circuit. By the age of 30, he was an accomplished barrister. When he came back to Ireland, he married Jane O'Dwyer from Tipperary, daughter of Morgan O'Dwyer and the aunt of Dr. O'Dwyer, Bishop of Limerick. He was selected as legal advisor to the Borough of Cashel. In this post he recovered for the Municipality a vast amount of property and in 1842 joined the Repeal movement. There was an epidemic of cholera in Cashel and Michael helped as much as he could, often times carrying the victims to the hospital. Like John Blake Dillon, he was against the radical ways of John Mitchell but still took part in the Rising of 1848. When the association was taken over by the English Whigs he left and entered the Young Irelanders. He contributed to the "Nation" and became a confederate. There was a reward of £300 on his head so he left for America from Cork aboard the "Juverna" to London and then Paris. At the failure of the 1848 rebellion he fled to America accompanied by James Stephens. On his arrival to America he was welcomed by Judge Emmett and immediately began to plan another insurrection for the Irish forces. He became involved with the Irish Republican Union that was established in New York in 1849. This organisation set up the primary military company in America to assist the Irish Revolutionists. They were called the "Irish Fusilier" and later became know as the "Mitchel Guards, Co. C, 9th Regiment New York State Militia". The Union was arranged into companies and Doheny was elected Captain of one. In may 1850 they were officially admitted into the service of the State and were known as the Ninth Regiment New York State Militia and on St Patrick's Day, 1851 they took part in the parade wearing green uniforms. The second Irish regiment was set up, the 69th, and Doheny became Lieutenant Colonel till his resignation in 1853. He was later chosen as Colonel of the Seventy-Fifth (Irish Rifles) Regiment, a third of the Irish regiments consolided in the State Militia, the 69th. Doheny had a close affiliation with the Emmet Monument Association that forewent the Fenian Brotherhood. He was editor of the "Phoenix" newspaper tht he set up with Stephens and O'Mahony. Doheny was part of an American commission that escorted the remains of Terence Bellew MacManus to Ireland in 1861. Doheny wanted this to herald the start of a Revolution, he had informed Joseph Deneiffe before his departure but the Revolution did not take place as John O'Mahony, who had been in Ireland in 1861, felt that they were not yet ready. Doheny spoke all over Ireland including the National Reading Room, Cork, 2nd November 1861. In 1849 he published an exciting account of the '48 movement and the after effects entitled "The Felon's Track: History of the Attempted Outbreak in Ireland". He also wrote poetry the most well known being "A Chuisle Gheal Mo Chroe" and "The Outlaws Wife". In later editions of this book Arthur Griffiths wrote a preface and appendices. He set up the Fenian brotherhood in America with James Stephens and John O'Mahony and worked there as a lawyer. He wrote and spoke in Irish. His two sons followed in their father's footsteps - they fought in the Federal ranks and were jailed in '67. His nephen, Edward L. Doheny became a millionaire in the Californian and Mexican oil business and was chosen by Eamon de Valera as leader of the American Committee for Relief in Ireland in 1920. Michael died suddenly in New York, 1st April 1863, aged 57 and is buried in Calvary Cemetery. Among the mourners at his funeral were John O'Mahony, John Savage, Richard O'Gorman and John Kavanagh. Michael Kavanagh published a biography of Michael's life in a series of articles in the "Celtic Monthy" called "Our Dead Comrades". -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA

This is a record of a meeting held in July 1848 on Slievenamon. 12-7-1848 From the Times. This morning intelligence reached town that Mr. Michael Doheny, who has been one of the most active missionaries of propagandism in the south of Ireland, and an energetic promoter of club organization, was arrested in Cashel yesterday, and committed, not without an attempt at rescue, to Nenagh Gaol, to abide his trial for felony at the present assizes. Mr. Doheny is a contributor to the Tribune newspaper, but it appears that it is for a speech delivered at Roscrea, in his capacity of emissary from the Irish Confederation, that he has been made amenable, and not for any of his contributions to the treason press of Dublin. 22-7-1848. After Mr. Doheny was bailed out, at Nenagh gaol, on Saturday evening, he announced his intention of attending a repeal meeting at Slievenamon, next day. The proceedings are thus described by the Limerick Reporter. About half past twelve, an immense cavalcade set out for the mountain of Slievenamon, next day. Besides a long line of cars, there were a great number of horsemen, and the roads and fields were black with people, such as could only be met with in Tipperary, fellows who could keep running the entire way, before the cars such a broiling day. A splendid band, handsomely dressed, found a place in the procession. Mr. Doheny was mounted on a charger, and wore the uniform of the '82 club. At every village and hamlet he was cheered and congratulated. Mr. Meagher, who was distinguished by a beautiful green cap, and was also mounted, shared the cheers of the peasantry. On reaching Fethard, an ancient castellated and walled town, the procession was augmented by large reinforcements. It is just half a century since a meeting was held on that mountain-in the year 1798. About five o'clock the chair was taken by James O'Donnell, Esq. Ballyboo. The chair was a hugh rock, on which were accommodated also the ladies and the members of the press. Beside it was another rock, the tribune from which the orators addressed the meeting. Among those conspicuous at the meeting, were the officers and committee of the John Mitchell Club, of Clonmel, who wore tri-colour rosettes in their coats. The Carrick-on-Suir Clubs were also represented. Though the numbers were greatly diminished by the fact of the rumour that the meeting was put off having gained ground, there could be not less than 10,000 or 12'000 fighting men there. It was also stated that the Rev. Dr. Burke, of Clonmel, advised the people against going to the meeting, when (a rather unusual thing, but significant of the times) one of the congregation replied that "he ought to be heading the people there". On the other hand, the Rev. Dr. Baldwin told the people to go there, and gave them his blessing. Immediately after the chair was taken. Mr. John Bailey read an address to Mr. Meagher and Mr. Doheny. Mr. Wright read an address from the Foig-a-Balagh Club of Mullinahone. This address stated that it was work, not words, the people wanted now, and that they would support Mr. Meagher and Mr. Doheny to the death (here again there were three lusty cheers given for a republic). Mr. Nash of Cahir, read an address from the Lord Edward Fitzgerald Club of that town, and Mr. Hannegan read an address from the Invincible Club of Kilcash. Mr. Doheny then mounted the rock, and was greeted with enthusiastic cheering. He said he was in gaol at that hour last night, 70 miles from the spot on which he now stood. They saw that he was there now thank God. That was no holiday meeting like '43 (cries of hear hear). The men who toiled up that hill would go to the cannon's mouth (cheers). When he saw the glorious scene before him and breathed the air of heaven 'neath the sun, and saw around him so many with whom he had spent his schoolboy days on those hills, and when he thought of the happy scenes of his boyhood and youth-when he saw a people around him to whom God had given the land to possess it, but man had denied them the gift of heaven-he was ready to shed the last drop of his blood in their noble cause. But there would be no blood shed. The English were not such fools as to attack the men he saw here today. He had travelled a few days ago 70 miles at the expense of her Majesty the Queen, and was accompanied all the way by the soldiery. He saw what they could do. There were lads there not sixteen years of age who had travelled twenty five miles to go to that meeting. The troops that escorted him could not walk seven miles on the level road without fainting. They could not mount this mountain. (loud cheers). It has been said that Cromwell was on this summit. He never came so high. He only came as far as Killavalla. They had come to the top, and what did they see. Fertility teeming for miles beyond miles where the eye cannot reach, and that glorious sun of heaven ripening it into food for man. God had said in the voice of the silent dew, 'That land is for you'. England said it was not. Whether would they obey England or God (hear, hear,). For his own part he had no hesitation in saying that he did not come there for repeal. A voice,---We must have a republic. Mr. Doheny did not want to talk of a republic or any other form of Government. He came there to carry out God's command, that the people in the sweat of their brow should eat bread and not starve. Enough had perished. They must never allow people to starve again. (loud cheers). If they had human hearts and human sympathies, they must shed their blood rather than that such another year should come. He would have to stand his trial on the 2nd August. Mr. Meagher had a longer day. The time was at hand when the harvest would be ripe for the sickle. If they were men they should know how to defend it. A Voice---Three cheers for John Mitchell, (here followed a scene of enthusiasm that baffles description.) Mr. Doheny continued---The sun has a prophetic light for him and this very evening, as he lies upon his pillow beyond the wave, it will soothe his spirit by telling him that there are men in Ireland yet, and that on a lofty mountain they are paying homage to their creator, and swear to him that his blessings will not be bestowed in vain. I have said before that the time for speech making is past, and the time for action has come. Let us swear to God that this year will not go by till Ireland is a free nation. Raise up your hands. (Here every hand of the vast assembly was raised up.) Mr. Doheny then concluded amidst protracted and vehement cheering. Mr. Meagher next ascended the tribune, wearing his green cap with a gold band, and a tri-colour sash, he was received with unbounded enthusiasm. When the applause subsided, he said, 'You have heard a true son of Irish soil, whose rugged virtues partake of the character of the Country. You have heard him say that I am to stand my trial at the next assizes, which will be the day after the fair. (laughter). If there is anyone to communicate the proceedings of this meeting to the Government, I thrust that they will find out that they made a great mistake in arresting me. (loud cheers, and 'You never shall follow Mitchell.' I am here not only to repent of nothing, but to dare them to do something worse (Loud cheers). When I threw myself into this movement, when I was barely yet of age, I felt that I lived in a land of slavery, and that if God gave me intellect, it ought to be employed for the Country. It was with this feeling I joined the cause of Ireland at a moment when every nation wished to see her flag unfurled on these hills. Forty-three passed away, but its vows have not passed away. I wish I had the eloquence of him who stirred up the Country. O'Connell, like all great men had his faults, but he had his virtues, and he had his victories. This I will say, that he preached a cause that we are bound to see out. He used to say, 'I may not see what I have laboured for'. I am an old man-my arm is withered; no epitaph of victory may mark my grave; but I see a young generation with redder blood in their veins, and they will do the work. (cheering). Therefore it is that I am ambitious to decorate these hills with the flag of my Country. Nor is it alone because I feel this obligation. A scourge came from God, which ought to have stirred you up into greater action. The potato was smitten; but our fields waved with golden grain. It was not for you. To your lips it was forbidden fruit. The ships came and bore it away, and when the prices rose, it came back, but not for the victims whose lips grew pale and quivered, and opened no more. Did I say they opened no more?. Yes, they did open in Heaven to accuse our rulers. Those lips, beautiful and fresh with the light of God, supplicated his throne, and he has blessed our cause. This fact is plain, that this land, which is yours by nature, and by Gods gift, is not yours by the law of the land. There were bayonets, therefore, between the people and their rightful God. Are you content that the harvest of this land, which you see, and to which your labour has imparted fruitfulness, should again be reaped for the stranger?. (Loud cries of No, No, and we never shall). Walking in this glorious scenery Cromwell said, 'Is not this land worth fighting for?'. (Cries of 'We would fight and die for it.). There always appeared to me a cloud on its brightest scenery, because it did not belong to its inhabitants-because our flag was not here. The flag of England waves over all your institutions. The famine came, and then their coercion laws. Then the gallant man, young and brave, with a wife and young children, who, if they were made of less heroic clay, would have caught him to their breast before he went forth to preach the Gospel, that a life of a peasant is worth the life of a Lord. That gospel went through the country, and you said it was the true one. Because he preached this they took him, threw him into a prison and banished him from his native land. There is a stain on the nation while he remains in Bermuda. He does not sleep, his feverish chafed spirit knows no rest. He is listening day by day to the sound of the waves, thinking that in these sounds will come his liberty and yours. Because he does not rest, you ought not to rest. He stood up before his Judges, and he said you have done your duty and I have done mine. Like the Roman youth who, standing before the tyrant, put his hand in the fire till it was burned, and said 'There are 300 to follow my example. I will promise for one, two, three--aye, for three hundred!.' He uttered that prophecy, and he is not deceived. Others have stepped into the breach, and Newgate will, hereafter, be dedicated in our history as the Temple of Liberty. Will you permit the country to be deprived of these men.?. I stand here upon the lofty summit of a country which, if we do not win for ourselves, we must win for those who come after us. You will mount higher than this, and face a burning sun. No man came here today that is not determined to brave the worse that foe can do. I have not come here today for the purpose of speech making, but to tell you the duties you owe yourselves and the prisoners. Hear the verses of a young and gallant patriot, whose grave ought not be forgotten amidst the dazzling lustre of the living. Of the men of Tipperary he said--- "You're free to share his scanty meal, His plighted word he'll never vary, In vain they tried with gold and steel, To shake the faith of Tipperary." You have given your word--you have plighted your faith. Then hear the other verse-- "Let Britain brag her motley rag, We lift the green more proud and airy, But mine the lot to bear that flag, And head the men of Tipperary." (Then the scene of cheers and enthusiasm that followed, of which it would be impossible to give any adequate idea, hats waved, shillelaghs flourished, and a true Tipperary cheer echoed for several minutes from hill to valley.) A splendid tri-colour was then unfurled, orange, green and white. It belonged to the Wolfe Tone Club of Waterford. "Mr. Doheny seized it, and, waving it in triumph, amidst vehement cheering, said--'When that flag is raised in the last struggle you will keep it free, nor ever allow it again to lie in the dust.' (Cheering and cries of---Why don't you mount a pike on it.) The meeting was then addressed by Mr. Wright, who eulogised Messrs. Doheny and Meagher; after which, it being then seven o'clock, the vast assemblage separated. Mr. Meagher proceeded with some friends to Carrick-on-Suir, where the people had been expecting him, and where the men of Waterford were to meet him. The Nenagh Guardian gives a report of another speech delivered by Mr. Doheny, in which he told his auditors to get ready to meet the English foe on their Irish soil, ere the produce of the present harvest should be drafted out of the country.

Great posting Mary. Could Doheny, Mitchell, Meagher or any of the others had any inclination (even the slightest) of how many years and how much blood would be shed before Ireland would finally shed the yoke of the oppressor? Carmen-Pittsburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> To: "Tipperary" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>; "Tipperary IRL" <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] July 1848 > This is a record of a meeting held in July 1848 on Slievenamon. > > 12-7-1848 From the Times. > > This morning intelligence reached town that Mr. Michael Doheny, who has > been > one of the most active missionaries of propagandism in the south of > Ireland, > and an energetic promoter of club organization, was arrested in Cashel > yesterday, and committed, not without an attempt at rescue, to Nenagh > Gaol, > to abide his trial for felony at the present assizes. Mr. Doheny is a > contributor to the Tribune newspaper, but it appears that it is for a > speech > delivered at Roscrea, in his capacity of emissary from the Irish > Confederation, that he has been made amenable, and not for any of his > contributions to the treason press of Dublin. > > 22-7-1848. > > After Mr. Doheny was bailed out, at Nenagh gaol, on Saturday evening, he > announced his intention of attending a repeal meeting at Slievenamon, next > day. The proceedings are thus described by the Limerick Reporter. > > About half past twelve, an immense cavalcade set out for the mountain of > Slievenamon, next day. Besides a long line of cars, there were a great > number of horsemen, and the roads and fields were black with people, such > as > could only be met with in Tipperary, fellows who could keep running the > entire way, before the cars such a broiling day. A splendid band, > handsomely > dressed, found a place in the procession. Mr. Doheny was mounted on a > charger, and wore the uniform of the '82 club. At every village and hamlet > he was cheered and congratulated. Mr. Meagher, who was distinguished by a > beautiful green cap, and was also mounted, shared the cheers of the > peasantry. On reaching Fethard, an ancient castellated and walled town, > the > procession was augmented by large reinforcements. > > It is just half a century since a meeting was held on that mountain-in the > year 1798. > > About five o'clock the chair was taken by James O'Donnell, Esq. Ballyboo. > The chair was a hugh rock, on which were accommodated also the ladies and > the members of the press. Beside it was another rock, the tribune from > which > the orators addressed the meeting. Among those conspicuous at the meeting, > were the officers and committee of the John Mitchell Club, of Clonmel, who > wore tri-colour rosettes in their coats. The Carrick-on-Suir Clubs were > also > represented. Though the numbers were greatly diminished by the fact of the > rumour that the meeting was put off having gained ground, there could be > not > less than 10,000 or 12'000 fighting men there. It was also stated that the > Rev. Dr. Burke, of Clonmel, advised the people against going to the > meeting, > when (a rather unusual thing, but significant of the times) one of the > congregation replied that "he ought to be heading the people there". On > the > other hand, the Rev. Dr. Baldwin told the people to go there, and gave > them > his blessing. Immediately after the chair was taken. > > Mr. John Bailey read an address to Mr. Meagher and Mr. Doheny. Mr. Wright > read an address from the Foig-a-Balagh Club of Mullinahone. This address > stated that it was work, not words, the people wanted now, and that they > would support Mr. Meagher and Mr. Doheny to the death (here again there > were > three lusty cheers given for a republic). Mr. Nash of Cahir, read an > address > from the Lord Edward Fitzgerald Club of that town, and Mr. Hannegan read > an > address from the Invincible Club of Kilcash. > > Mr. Doheny then mounted the rock, and was greeted with enthusiastic > cheering. He said he was in gaol at that hour last night, 70 miles from > the > spot on which he now stood. They saw that he was there now thank God. That > was no holiday meeting like '43 (cries of hear hear). The men who toiled > up > that hill would go to the cannon's mouth (cheers). > > When he saw the glorious scene before him and breathed the air of heaven > 'neath the sun, and saw around him so many with whom he had spent his > schoolboy days on those hills, and when he thought of the happy scenes of > his boyhood and youth-when he saw a people around him to whom God had > given > the land to possess it, but man had denied them the gift of heaven-he was > ready to shed the last drop of his blood in their noble cause. But there > would be no blood shed. The English were not such fools as to attack the > men > he saw here today. He had travelled a few days ago 70 miles at the expense > of her Majesty the Queen, and was accompanied all the way by the soldiery. > He saw what they could do. There were lads there not sixteen years of age > who had travelled twenty five miles to go to that meeting. The troops that > escorted him could not walk seven miles on the level road without > fainting. > They could not mount this mountain. (loud cheers). It has been said that > Cromwell was on this summit. He never came so high. He only came as far as > Killavalla. They had come to the top, and what did they see. Fertility > teeming for miles beyond miles where the eye cannot reach, and that > glorious > sun of heaven ripening it into food for man. God had said in the voice of > the silent dew, 'That land is for you'. England said it was not. Whether > would they obey England or God (hear, hear,). For his own part he had no > hesitation in saying that he did not come there for repeal. > > A voice,---We must have a republic. > > Mr. Doheny did not want to talk of a republic or any other form of > Government. He came there to carry out God's command, that the people in > the > sweat of their brow should eat bread and not starve. Enough had perished. > They must never allow people to starve again. (loud cheers). If they had > human hearts and human sympathies, they must shed their blood rather than > that such another year should come. He would have to stand his trial on > the > 2nd August. Mr. Meagher had a longer day. The time was at hand when the > harvest would be ripe for the sickle. If they were men they should know > how > to defend it. > > A Voice---Three cheers for John Mitchell, (here followed a scene of > enthusiasm that baffles description.) > > Mr. Doheny continued---The sun has a prophetic light for him and this very > evening, as he lies upon his pillow beyond the wave, it will soothe his > spirit by telling him that there are men in Ireland yet, and that on a > lofty > mountain they are paying homage to their creator, and swear to him that > his > blessings will not be bestowed in vain. I have said before that the time > for > speech making is past, and the time for action has come. Let us swear to > God > that this year will not go by till Ireland is a free nation. Raise up your > hands. (Here every hand of the vast assembly was raised up.) Mr. Doheny > then > concluded amidst protracted and vehement cheering. > > Mr. Meagher next ascended the tribune, wearing his green cap with a gold > band, and a tri-colour sash, he was received with unbounded enthusiasm. > When > the applause subsided, he said, 'You have heard a true son of Irish soil, > whose rugged virtues partake of the character of the Country. You have > heard > him say that I am to stand my trial at the next assizes, which will be the > day after the fair. (laughter). If there is anyone to communicate the > proceedings of this meeting to the Government, I thrust that they will > find > out that they made a great mistake in arresting me. (loud cheers, and 'You > never shall follow Mitchell.' I am here not only to repent of nothing, but > to dare them to do something worse (Loud cheers). When I threw myself into > this movement, when I was barely yet of age, I felt that I lived in a land > of slavery, and that if God gave me intellect, it ought to be employed for > the Country. It was with this feeling I joined the cause of Ireland at a > moment when every nation wished to see her flag unfurled on these hills. > Forty-three passed away, but its vows have not passed away. I wish I had > the > eloquence of him who stirred up the Country. O'Connell, like all great men > had his faults, but he had his virtues, and he had his victories. This I > will say, that he preached a cause that we are bound to see out. He used > to > say, 'I may not see what I have laboured for'. I am an old man-my arm is > withered; no epitaph of victory may mark my grave; but I see a young > generation with redder blood in their veins, and they will do the work. > (cheering). Therefore it is that I am ambitious to decorate these hills > with > the flag of my Country. Nor is it alone because I feel this obligation. A > scourge came from God, which ought to have stirred you up into greater > action. The potato was smitten; but our fields waved with golden grain. It > was not for you. To your lips it was forbidden fruit. The ships came and > bore it away, and when the prices rose, it came back, but not for the > victims whose lips grew pale and quivered, and opened no more. Did I say > they opened no more?. Yes, they did open in Heaven to accuse our rulers. > Those lips, beautiful and fresh with the light of God, supplicated his > throne, and he has blessed our cause. This fact is plain, that this land, > which is yours by nature, and by Gods gift, is not yours by the law of the > land. There were bayonets, therefore, between the people and their > rightful > God. Are you content that the harvest of this land, which you see, and to > which your labour has imparted fruitfulness, should again be reaped for > the > stranger?. (Loud cries of No, No, and we never shall). Walking in this > glorious scenery Cromwell said, 'Is not this land worth fighting for?'. > (Cries of 'We would fight and die for it.). > > There always appeared to me a cloud on its brightest scenery, because it > did > not belong to its inhabitants-because our flag was not here. The flag of > England waves over all your institutions. The famine came, and then their > coercion laws. Then the gallant man, young and brave, with a wife and > young > children, who, if they were made of less heroic clay, would have caught > him > to their breast before he went forth to preach the Gospel, that a life of > a > peasant is worth the life of a Lord. That gospel went through the country, > and you said it was the true one. Because he preached this they took him, > threw him into a prison and banished him from his native land. There is a > stain on the nation while he remains in Bermuda. He does not sleep, his > feverish chafed spirit knows no rest. He is listening day by day to the > sound of the waves, thinking that in these sounds will come his liberty > and > yours. Because he does not rest, you ought not to rest. He stood up before > his Judges, and he said you have done your duty and I have done mine. Like > the Roman youth who, standing before the tyrant, put his hand in the fire > till it was burned, and said 'There are 300 to follow my example. I will > promise for one, two, three--aye, for three hundred!.' He uttered that > prophecy, and he is not deceived. Others have stepped into the breach, and > Newgate will, hereafter, be dedicated in our history as the Temple of > Liberty. Will you permit the country to be deprived of these men.?. I > stand > here upon the lofty summit of a country which, if we do not win for > ourselves, we must win for those who come after us. You will mount higher > than this, and face a burning sun. No man came here today that is not > determined to brave the worse that foe can do. I have not come here today > for the purpose of speech making, but to tell you the duties you owe > yourselves and the prisoners. Hear the verses of a young and gallant > patriot, whose grave ought not be forgotten amidst the dazzling lustre of > the living. Of the men of Tipperary he said--- > > "You're free to share his scanty meal, > > His plighted word he'll never vary, > > In vain they tried with gold and steel, > > To shake the faith of Tipperary." > > You have given your word--you have plighted your faith. Then hear the > other > verse-- > > "Let Britain brag her motley rag, > > We lift the green more proud and airy, > > But mine the lot to bear that flag, > > And head the men of Tipperary." > > (Then the scene of cheers and enthusiasm that followed, of which it would > be > impossible to give any adequate idea, hats waved, shillelaghs flourished, > and a true Tipperary cheer echoed for several minutes from hill to > valley.) > > A splendid tri-colour was then unfurled, orange, green and white. It > belonged to the Wolfe Tone Club of Waterford. > > "Mr. Doheny seized it, and, waving it in triumph, amidst vehement > cheering, > said--'When that flag is raised in the last struggle you will keep it > free, > nor ever allow it again to lie in the dust.' (Cheering and cries of---Why > don't you mount a pike on it.) > > The meeting was then addressed by Mr. Wright, who eulogised Messrs. Doheny > and Meagher; after which, it being then seven o'clock, the vast assemblage > separated. > > Mr. Meagher proceeded with some friends to Carrick-on-Suir, where the > people > had been expecting him, and where the men of Waterford were to meet him. > > The Nenagh Guardian gives a report of another speech delivered by Mr. > Doheny, in which he told his auditors to get ready to meet the English foe > on their Irish soil, ere the produce of the present harvest should be > drafted out of the country. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Josephine - some famililar names but prob not quite a match. Do you have any Moloneys in that mix? I have a Mary Ryan (d/o Denis and Catherine HOURIGAN) who emigrated in 1861 to Oz with a friend, Ellen KENNEDY who had married Dennis MOLONEY, a cousin of the Ryans. The Ryans were from Lackamore, near Newport, Co. Tipp. Rgds Elizabeth O'Connell ----- Original Message ----- From: <neiljotait@bigpond.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Kennedy family >I live in Australia and am looking for anyone who may have information on >my > great grandparents. Michael Kennedy was born in County Tipperary in 1827. > His parents where John and Bridget. I am of the understanding that he and > his brother John came to Victoria, Australia in the late 1850's Michael > married an Ellen Ryan born 1833, she also came from Country Tipperary. > Ellen's parents where Timothy and Ellen. Michael and his wife Ellen, had > seven children, Bridget, Timothy, Ellen, Mary Ann (Polly) who married > Keiran > Rigney, my great Uncle, Michael Joseph, Johanna Mary, and Annie Marie, my > grandmother who married a Stephen Rigney who was Keiran's brother. > > The Rigney's came from Ferbane in Country Offlay (Kings County). I plan > to > be in Ireland at the end of May and would like to make contact with any > distant family members. Josephine Tait. (Rigney) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: > 11/02/2008 5:28 p.m. > >

Theresa, If you get the time, would you be able to get me a copy of both of the entries for Michael Crowe please? I would interested in what it has to say. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Leddin" <irishsoul@netspace.net.au> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] O'Briens of Inchamore, Tipperary Thanks very much for that Theresa, I appreciate the thought that you looked for me...it sounds right. There is a little confusion as in some docs say Martin some say Michael. Can I ask who the other Ballina one was? Many thanks again, Michelle Victoria, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <TLiewer@aol.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] O'Briens of Inchamore, Tipperary Michelle - There is a parish history of Ballina/Boher published a few years ago by the retired school principal. It has a chapter on the young men from the parish who became priests and I know that the O'Briens are included. I'm at my office right now but I'll pull the book out tonight and see what it says. The interesting thing is that there is a US passport application online at Ancestry for another Father Michael O'Brien, born in Ballina Nov 22, 1861. On the application, from 1920, he said that his father was Martin O'Brien, deceased, and that he was going to Ireland to visit his mother. He was living in Chicago at the time. Here we have two Michael O'Briens about the same age from Ballina becoming priests and going to America. It could be that the father's name on the application was wrong or it could be that boys of that name in the village were destined to be priests. When the applications became available, I entertained myself by searching the database using the keyword Ballina. There were only two identified as from Ballina, Co .Tipperary. There were a great number from Ballina, Co Mayo, and quite a few that simply said Ballina, Ireland. Theresa Liewer Ankeny, Iowa In a message dated 2/11/2008 9:28:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, irishsoul@netspace.net.au writes: Hi there everyone, Am trying to track down some information on a Michael O'Brien (b c1806 in Inchamore, Co Tipperary), who married Mary Crowe (b c1830) from Knockaderreen, Co Clare, about 1860's? They raised 6 children, 1 Patrick O'Brien, 2 Michael O'Brien (Priest) b c1865- went to USA 3 John O'Brien 4 William (Willy) O'Brien b 1867 died between 1901-1905 5 Bridget O'Brien who married Denis Sampson.and 6 Timothy O'Brien Michael and Mary are both buried in the Ballina Cemetery. According to family tale, an uncle of Michael's bought the property they lived on and also managed to pay for quite a few of the family to go to the USA. The uncle's christian name is unknown but was also a priest. If this sounds familiar to anyone, I would love to hear from you. All the best Michelle Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> To: "Tipperary" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>; "Tipperary IRL" <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] 13-1-1907 Nenagh Guardian 13-1-1907 Nenagh Guardian United Irish League DROM BRANCH A meeting of the committee was held on Sunday under the presidency of Mr Thomas Kennedy, VP. The other members present were Messrs John Ryan, Patrick Fanning, Timothy Ryan, Toby Troy, John Cahill, Michael Ryan, Con Ryan, John Russell, Timothy Loughnane, Daniel Cahill, John Hogan, James Shaughnessy, John Maher and LJ Hassett. It was decided to devote £6 of the UIL funds towards liquidating the debt on the new parish hall. A considerable amount of private business having been transacted, the meeting adjourned. On Saturday, 22nd December 1906, Rev TF Meagher, PSM, was elevated to the dignity of the Priesthood, the consecrating prelate being Cardinal Respighi, Cardinal Vicar of Rome. The ceremony was performed in the Church of St John of Lateran. The young priest is the son of Mr James Meagher of Birdhill, and brother of Mr J Maher, principal teacher, Sheehan's Cross. He had a distinguished collegiate course, and was ordained at the early age of 23. The Rev Father Meagher has the wishes of his many friends for his success in the holy service. Death from Exposure On Tuesday morning Thomas Hayes, aged 40, labourer, was found in a stable at Bohernanave, Thurles, in a semi-unconscious and benumbed condition. When discovered he was huddled up in a corner of the stable, and appeared to be suffering intensely from exposure, as the night was bitterly cold. Mrs Smee, in whose outhouse he was sleeping, very kindly had him removed to her home, where every possible care and attention was administered to him. Seeing that he was sinking slowly, word was despatched to the police barracks, and the police had him immediately conveyed to the infirmary, but the unfortunate man never rallied, and died at an early hour on Wednesday morning. The deceased was a native of the town. It is feared that the unfortunate man sorely felt the great dearth of labour in the town, and it has transpired that he had been knocked out of work for a considerable time back. No inquest was held. It is surmised that the unfortunate man must have lain in the outhouse during the night. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. 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Thanks very much for that Theresa, I appreciate the thought that you looked for me...it sounds right. There is a little confusion as in some docs say Martin some say Michael. Can I ask who the other Ballina one was? Many thanks again, Michelle Victoria, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <TLiewer@aol.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] O'Briens of Inchamore, Tipperary Michelle - There is a parish history of Ballina/Boher published a few years ago by the retired school principal. It has a chapter on the young men from the parish who became priests and I know that the O'Briens are included. I'm at my office right now but I'll pull the book out tonight and see what it says. The interesting thing is that there is a US passport application online at Ancestry for another Father Michael O'Brien, born in Ballina Nov 22, 1861. On the application, from 1920, he said that his father was Martin O'Brien, deceased, and that he was going to Ireland to visit his mother. He was living in Chicago at the time. Here we have two Michael O'Briens about the same age from Ballina becoming priests and going to America. It could be that the father's name on the application was wrong or it could be that boys of that name in the village were destined to be priests. When the applications became available, I entertained myself by searching the database using the keyword Ballina. There were only two identified as from Ballina, Co .Tipperary. There were a great number from Ballina, Co Mayo, and quite a few that simply said Ballina, Ireland. Theresa Liewer Ankeny, Iowa In a message dated 2/11/2008 9:28:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, irishsoul@netspace.net.au writes: Hi there everyone, Am trying to track down some information on a Michael O'Brien (b c1806 in Inchamore, Co Tipperary), who married Mary Crowe (b c1830) from Knockaderreen, Co Clare, about 1860's? They raised 6 children, 1 Patrick O'Brien, 2 Michael O'Brien (Priest) b c1865- went to USA 3 John O'Brien 4 William (Willy) O'Brien b 1867 died between 1901-1905 5 Bridget O'Brien who married Denis Sampson.and 6 Timothy O'Brien Michael and Mary are both buried in the Ballina Cemetery. According to family tale, an uncle of Michael's bought the property they lived on and also managed to pay for quite a few of the family to go to the USA. The uncle's christian name is unknown but was also a priest. If this sounds familiar to anyone, I would love to hear from you. All the best Michelle Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> To: "Tipperary" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>; "Tipperary IRL" <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] 13-1-1907 Nenagh Guardian 13-1-1907 Nenagh Guardian United Irish League DROM BRANCH A meeting of the committee was held on Sunday under the presidency of Mr Thomas Kennedy, VP. The other members present were Messrs John Ryan, Patrick Fanning, Timothy Ryan, Toby Troy, John Cahill, Michael Ryan, Con Ryan, John Russell, Timothy Loughnane, Daniel Cahill, John Hogan, James Shaughnessy, John Maher and LJ Hassett. It was decided to devote £6 of the UIL funds towards liquidating the debt on the new parish hall. A considerable amount of private business having been transacted, the meeting adjourned. On Saturday, 22nd December 1906, Rev TF Meagher, PSM, was elevated to the dignity of the Priesthood, the consecrating prelate being Cardinal Respighi, Cardinal Vicar of Rome. The ceremony was performed in the Church of St John of Lateran. The young priest is the son of Mr James Meagher of Birdhill, and brother of Mr J Maher, principal teacher, Sheehan's Cross. He had a distinguished collegiate course, and was ordained at the early age of 23. The Rev Father Meagher has the wishes of his many friends for his success in the holy service. Death from Exposure On Tuesday morning Thomas Hayes, aged 40, labourer, was found in a stable at Bohernanave, Thurles, in a semi-unconscious and benumbed condition. When discovered he was huddled up in a corner of the stable, and appeared to be suffering intensely from exposure, as the night was bitterly cold. Mrs Smee, in whose outhouse he was sleeping, very kindly had him removed to her home, where every possible care and attention was administered to him. Seeing that he was sinking slowly, word was despatched to the police barracks, and the police had him immediately conveyed to the infirmary, but the unfortunate man never rallied, and died at an early hour on Wednesday morning. The deceased was a native of the town. It is feared that the unfortunate man sorely felt the great dearth of labour in the town, and it has transpired that he had been knocked out of work for a considerable time back. No inquest was held. It is surmised that the unfortunate man must have lain in the outhouse during the night. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Neil . Does Michael`s or John`s death certificate have a town as the birth place . You could be lucky for most church records start about 1820 . Laurie Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: neiljotait@bigpond.com To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Kennedy family I live in Australia and am looking for anyone who may have information on my great grandparents. Michael Kennedy was born in County Tipperary in 1827. His parents where John and Bridget. I am of the understanding that he and his brother John came to Victoria, Australia in the late 1850's Michael married an Ellen Ryan born 1833, she also came from Country Tipperary. Ellen's parents where Timothy and Ellen. Michael and his wife Ellen, had seven children, Bridget, Timothy, Ellen, Mary Ann (Polly) who married Keiran Rigney, my great Uncle, Michael Joseph, Johanna Mary, and Annie Marie, my grandmother who married a Stephen Rigney who was Keiran's brother. The Rigney's came from Ferbane in Country Offlay (Kings County). I plan to be in Ireland at the end of May and would like to make contact with any distant family members. Josephine Tait. (Rigney) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 11/02/2008 5:28 PM

I live in Australia and am looking for anyone who may have information on my great grandparents. Michael Kennedy was born in County Tipperary in 1827. His parents where John and Bridget. I am of the understanding that he and his brother John came to Victoria, Australia in the late 1850's Michael married an Ellen Ryan born 1833, she also came from Country Tipperary. Ellen's parents where Timothy and Ellen. Michael and his wife Ellen, had seven children, Bridget, Timothy, Ellen, Mary Ann (Polly) who married Keiran Rigney, my great Uncle, Michael Joseph, Johanna Mary, and Annie Marie, my grandmother who married a Stephen Rigney who was Keiran's brother. The Rigney's came from Ferbane in Country Offlay (Kings County). I plan to be in Ireland at the end of May and would like to make contact with any distant family members. Josephine Tait. (Rigney)

Michelle - There is a parish history of Ballina/Boher published a few years ago by the retired school principal. It has a chapter on the young men from the parish who became priests and I know that the O'Briens are included. I'm at my office right now but I'll pull the book out tonight and see what it says. The interesting thing is that there is a US passport application online at Ancestry for another Father Michael O'Brien, born in Ballina Nov 22, 1861. On the application, from 1920, he said that his father was Martin O'Brien, deceased, and that he was going to Ireland to visit his mother. He was living in Chicago at the time. Here we have two Michael O'Briens about the same age from Ballina becoming priests and going to America. It could be that the father's name on the application was wrong or it could be that boys of that name in the village were destined to be priests. When the applications became available, I entertained myself by searching the database using the keyword Ballina. There were only two identified as from Ballina, Co .Tipperary. There were a great number from Ballina, Co Mayo, and quite a few that simply said Ballina, Ireland. Theresa Liewer Ankeny, Iowa In a message dated 2/11/2008 9:28:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, irishsoul@netspace.net.au writes: Hi there everyone, Am trying to track down some information on a Michael O'Brien (b c1806 in Inchamore, Co Tipperary), who married Mary Crowe (b c1830) from Knockaderreen, Co Clare, about 1860's? They raised 6 children, 1 Patrick O'Brien, 2 Michael O'Brien (Priest) b c1865- went to USA 3 John O'Brien 4 William (Willy) O'Brien b 1867 died between 1901-1905 5 Bridget O'Brien who married Denis Sampson.and 6 Timothy O'Brien Michael and Mary are both buried in the Ballina Cemetery. According to family tale, an uncle of Michael's bought the property they lived on and also managed to pay for quite a few of the family to go to the USA. The uncle's christian name is unknown but was also a priest. If this sounds familiar to anyone, I would love to hear from you. All the best Michelle Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> To: "Tipperary" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>; "Tipperary IRL" <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] 13-1-1907 Nenagh Guardian 13-1-1907 Nenagh Guardian United Irish League DROM BRANCH A meeting of the committee was held on Sunday under the presidency of Mr Thomas Kennedy, VP. The other members present were Messrs John Ryan, Patrick Fanning, Timothy Ryan, Toby Troy, John Cahill, Michael Ryan, Con Ryan, John Russell, Timothy Loughnane, Daniel Cahill, John Hogan, James Shaughnessy, John Maher and LJ Hassett. It was decided to devote £6 of the UIL funds towards liquidating the debt on the new parish hall. A considerable amount of private business having been transacted, the meeting adjourned. On Saturday, 22nd December 1906, Rev TF Meagher, PSM, was elevated to the dignity of the Priesthood, the consecrating prelate being Cardinal Respighi, Cardinal Vicar of Rome. The ceremony was performed in the Church of St John of Lateran. The young priest is the son of Mr James Meagher of Birdhill, and brother of Mr J Maher, principal teacher, Sheehan's Cross. He had a distinguished collegiate course, and was ordained at the early age of 23. The Rev Father Meagher has the wishes of his many friends for his success in the holy service. Death from Exposure On Tuesday morning Thomas Hayes, aged 40, labourer, was found in a stable at Bohernanave, Thurles, in a semi-unconscious and benumbed condition. When discovered he was huddled up in a corner of the stable, and appeared to be suffering intensely from exposure, as the night was bitterly cold. Mrs Smee, in whose outhouse he was sleeping, very kindly had him removed to her home, where every possible care and attention was administered to him. Seeing that he was sinking slowly, word was despatched to the police barracks, and the police had him immediately conveyed to the infirmary, but the unfortunate man never rallied, and died at an early hour on Wednesday morning. The deceased was a native of the town. It is feared that the unfortunate man sorely felt the great dearth of labour in the town, and it has transpired that he had been knocked out of work for a considerable time back. No inquest was held. 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Hi there everyone, Am trying to track down some information on a Michael O'Brien (b c1806 in Inchamore, Co Tipperary), who married Mary Crowe (b c1830) from Knockaderreen, Co Clare, about 1860's? They raised 6 children, 1 Patrick O'Brien, 2 Michael O'Brien (Priest) b c1865- went to USA 3 John O'Brien 4 William (Willy) O'Brien b 1867 died between 1901-1905 5 Bridget O'Brien who married Denis Sampson.and 6 Timothy O'Brien Michael and Mary are both buried in the Ballina Cemetery. According to family tale, an uncle of Michael's bought the property they lived on and also managed to pay for quite a few of the family to go to the USA. The uncle's christian name is unknown but was also a priest. If this sounds familiar to anyone, I would love to hear from you. All the best Michelle Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> To: "Tipperary" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>; "Tipperary IRL" <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] 13-1-1907 Nenagh Guardian 13-1-1907 Nenagh Guardian United Irish League DROM BRANCH A meeting of the committee was held on Sunday under the presidency of Mr Thomas Kennedy, VP. The other members present were Messrs John Ryan, Patrick Fanning, Timothy Ryan, Toby Troy, John Cahill, Michael Ryan, Con Ryan, John Russell, Timothy Loughnane, Daniel Cahill, John Hogan, James Shaughnessy, John Maher and LJ Hassett. It was decided to devote £6 of the UIL funds towards liquidating the debt on the new parish hall. A considerable amount of private business having been transacted, the meeting adjourned. On Saturday, 22nd December 1906, Rev TF Meagher, PSM, was elevated to the dignity of the Priesthood, the consecrating prelate being Cardinal Respighi, Cardinal Vicar of Rome. The ceremony was performed in the Church of St John of Lateran. The young priest is the son of Mr James Meagher of Birdhill, and brother of Mr J Maher, principal teacher, Sheehan's Cross. He had a distinguished collegiate course, and was ordained at the early age of 23. The Rev Father Meagher has the wishes of his many friends for his success in the holy service. Death from Exposure On Tuesday morning Thomas Hayes, aged 40, labourer, was found in a stable at Bohernanave, Thurles, in a semi-unconscious and benumbed condition. When discovered he was huddled up in a corner of the stable, and appeared to be suffering intensely from exposure, as the night was bitterly cold. Mrs Smee, in whose outhouse he was sleeping, very kindly had him removed to her home, where every possible care and attention was administered to him. Seeing that he was sinking slowly, word was despatched to the police barracks, and the police had him immediately conveyed to the infirmary, but the unfortunate man never rallied, and died at an early hour on Wednesday morning. The deceased was a native of the town. It is feared that the unfortunate man sorely felt the great dearth of labour in the town, and it has transpired that he had been knocked out of work for a considerable time back. No inquest was held. It is surmised that the unfortunate man must have lain in the outhouse during the night. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A doctor in Ireland wanted to take off work and go hunting, so he approached his assistant. "Garge, I am going hunting tomorrow and don't want to close the clinic. I want you to take care of the clinic and take care of all me patients". "Yes, sir!" answers Garge. The doctor goes hunting and returns the following day and asks: "So, Garge, how was your day?" Garge told him that he took care of three patients. "The first one had a headache so I gave him TYLENOL." "Bravo, Mate, and the second one?" asks the doctor. "The second one had stomach burning and I gave him MAALOX, sir," says Garge. "Bravo, bravo! You're good at this, and what about the third one?" asks the doctor. "Sir, I was sitting here and suddenly the door opens and a woman ent ers. Like a flame, she undresses herself, taking off everything including her bra and her panties and lies down on t he table. She spreads her legs and shouts: "HELP ME! For five years I have not seen any man!" "Tunderin' Lard Jayzus, Garge, what did you do?" asks the doctor. "I put drops in her eyes."

27-3-1887 From the Times. J. Scholfield, Main Street, Fethard, has allowed his tenants on the Coolbawn Estate an abatement of 22 ½ %. On March 2nd at Garrangrane, Borrisoleigh, a man named Lynch was evicted from his holding at the suit of John Cooke, Brownstone, for the non payment of rent nearly 70% over the valuation. A large force of Police, under the command of County Inspector Ross, were present, guarding the emergency men. The eviction took place in the presence of Father O'Keeffe and large crowds. On feb. 23rd, a public meeting of the house tenants of Cashel were called for the purpose of establishing a branch of the House League, and in answer a great number of citizens met in the Town Hall. Amongst those present were-Very Rev. Dean Quirke, Dr. Laffan, A. Mulcahy, T.C. Joseph O'Ryan.T.C. B. McGrath T.C. M. O'Sullivan T.C. W. Quinlan T.C. J. Skehan T.C. and several reps of the trades. About 160 head of cattle and 50 sheep belonging to the Gurtalough tenants, who have adopted the Plan of Campaign, having been refused an abatement by their Landlord, Mr. Keane, Dublin, were sold by auction in the market square of Templemore on Feb. 28th, in the presence of a large crowd of spectators, and brought high prices. A number of police were drafted into the town for the occasion , but owing to the quiet demeanour shown by the people, had their tramp for nothing.

Changes in current values of lands is interesting, but of even of greater interest is the current value of lands mentioned in wills hundreds of years ago. To find out the value there is a website. http://www.measuringworth.com/ppoweruk/?redirurl=calculators/ppoweruk/ donkelly -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> > 26-11-1859 From the Times. > > Fall in value of land--It is a singular fact, but still true, that the value > of land in Tipperary has considerably receded of late, and there is no > longer that keen competition observable which marked the sales of property > in this county for a series of years in the Landed Estates Court. On some > late occasions properties put up in the Courts did not realise anything like > the prices current a short time ago, and not a few of the sales were > adjourned owing to the insufficiency of the bidders.

Some Tradesmen in Fethard 1812-1813 Fethard 1812 Daniel Buckley - Weaver Thos Heany - Shoeman John Wall - Shoeman Edm. Russell - Carpenter, Rathsalla Ml. Brittain - Shoemaker Ml. Burke - Victualler Pat English - Carpenter, Grange John Landers - Smith Edm. Loughnane - Weaver Jas Meagher - Butcher Ml. Real - Woodranger,Grove John Lonergan - Weaver William Guider - Weaver Jas Meagher - Mason Matt Donnell - Cooker Fethard 1813 John Meagher - Grocer, Fethard Dan Quillinan - cooker, Fethard Ml. Carew - Carpenter, Green Charles McCarthy - Shoemaker Ml. Needham - Mason, Currascarteen Pat Cahill - Taylor, Fethard John Gleeson - Grocer, Fethard Rd. Carthy - Shoemaker Thomas Carew - Grocer William Butler - Nailor, Kerry St. Roger Mara - Weaver, the Green Denis Ryan - Smith, Currascarteen

The following are just a couple snippets showing the sort of things that Priests wrote into the Parish registers. John of John ?, labourer, & Ally ?, "a notorious marriage". Mgt. ? "a notorious bawd". Mgt. (illeg) of Dan ?, an insignificant puppy, & Mgt. ? The parents infamous, malicious liars, restrained by no consideration of morality" Patk (illeg) of Patk ?, a married man, & Bgt. ?, an idiot. Wm of Ml. ?, a scoundrel, & Mgt. ?. Henry illegitmate of Harry ? Junr. Illegitimate of Harry ? Senr. & the notorious Moll ? Mary of John ? & Mary ?, the child full grown tho' the mother is only seven months married. Mary of Rody ?. (ha! ha!!! !!!) & Cath ?. Mgt. of Daniel ? & Bgt. ? - "a sport".

26-11-1859 From the Times. Fall in value of land--It is a singular fact, but still true, that the value of land in Tipperary has considerably receded of late, and there is no longer that keen competition observable which marked the sales of property in this county for a series of years in the Landed Estates Court. On some late occasions properties put up in the Courts did not realise anything like the prices current a short time ago, and not a few of the sales were adjourned owing to the insufficiency of the bidders. 16-11-1859. County Tipperary. In the matter of the estate of Joseph George Smith, owner, ex-parte John Eyre, petitioner. Premises held under a fee-farm-grant, at the yearly rent of 14/., comprising the house, adjoining the Hillhouse lot, and now called St. Cronin's, in the town of Roscrea, containing one acre, one rood, and twenty nine perches, Irish plantation measure, upon which stands a well situated and respectable dwelling house and offices, with two large gardens or pleasure grounds. Sold to Mr. William Fry, for £450. Solicitor-John Eyre, 5 Talbot Street. 12-11-1859 Chancery Appeal Court. Harrington v. Costello. This was an appeal from a decree of the Late Lord Chancellor, overruling several exceptions taken by the appellant to the Master's report. The litigation arose out of the will of Patrick Cash, dated 1817, of which Daniel Costello, deceased, whom the appellant represents, was appointed executor, the legatees being the respondents. The principal question was at issue as to the value of the stock and property left by the testator, who had been the owner of several farms in the county of Tipperary. The evidence of the respondents represented it as being worth 1695/s., while that of the appellant only set it down as 406/s.