Agnes I must of been lucky for the lady was very helpful . It wasn`t my sex appeal for I lost that 60 years ago . Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: Agnes McFarlane To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] TFHR I'm glad you had such good luck, Laurie. I didn't fare so well. I just got one family and it was the wrong one. The dates didn't even match. Agnes -----Original Message-----

1-10-1828 From the Clonmel Herald. Thousands upon thousands of Ribandmen congregated in this town (Clonmel) in Tipperary, and in Fethard, on Sunday last. Several came here from Clogheen, well mounted, and under the command of an ostler belonging to the innkeeper of Clogheen. The party belonging to this town was commanded by Con. O'Neill, whose former acquaintance with Mary Kelly, the prosecutor of the murderers of the Sheas, enabled him to swear that she was not able to know the difference between turkey and hen eggs. When the Clogheen party arrived at the turnpike at Marlfield, their commander informed the keeper of the gate that Mr. Grubb, of Clogheen, would pay for all the horsemen; a horse or two of Mr. Grubb's, were seen on this interesting occasion. As they passed a Protestant Clergyman, who was on his way to his Church, they hissed him to such a degree that he became quite alarmed for his safety. The Clonmel flag, which measured 8 feet by 11 feet, exhibited a daub, representing his Majesty offering Emancipation to O'Connell, who was represented by another daub on the same flag; having, also, the words "Peace to men of good-will"--good will, we suppose to be the Liberator's cause; on the reverse was a harp without a crown. He was represented on a lesser flag as trampling under foot Emancipation, fettered with the wings proposed by himself in 1825, over the daub representative of O'Connell, were the words "God save the King". Mr. O'Connell's band so called, attended. On Market Hill, outside Fethard, the concourse was immense; one of our venerable Judges happened to be in the neighbourhood, and had the curiosity, or some better motive, to ride up to see them. A few, under the command of one Meara, a Publican, and a process server of the name of Quinlan, marched from Cashel, to join the forces in Tipperary. As they rode of they met the funeral of a man of the name of Woodlock, who the preceding Sunday, attended the meeting in Killenaule, mounted on a horse belonging to Mr. Richard Phillips, which he took without permission, off the lands of Lagganstown, near which the deceased had resided; the horse, however, had more regard for the Sabbath than his rider, and, to show his displeasure, gave him so violent a fall that he died on the following Friday. In the course of the day, a man from Donisokeigh, having issued from one of the Public Houses in Cashel in rather too talkative a mood, was seized by two fellows of the name of Healy and Ryan, who took him to one of the pumps, and pumped him well, to the great danger of his life, several in this town, too, underwent the same punishment. Patrols, selected from the Riband men in all these towns, paraded the streets in the night, for the purpose of keeping the streets quiet. In this town (Clonmel) the military and police were so judiciously placed that, on the slightest affray, or attack on the loyal, who are kept in constant dread of their lives by such exhibitions of Roman Catholic strength and excitement, they were ready to afford more than sufficient security. No injury occurred, though several evinced their willingness of mind to perform any crusade pointed out to them, by shouting out they had the overhand of the Sassenachs, and they would keep it. In Cahir, several had their lives endangered by being ducked in the river, to which they were drawn by means of ropes---One unfortunate man, who cried out that he cared neither for O'Connell, nor for Mr. Baker, nor for the Fennels, was ducked till he begged pardon for speaking so disrespectfully of Mr. O'Connell. By direction of the Rev. Mr. Flannery P.P. his curate in this town lectured the people severely on these proceedings, and warmly cautioned them against a repetition of them, several of his hearers, however, said he went to far, now that the Almighty was on their side; but no wonder, they added, as he receives 50/. A year from the Government, as Chaplain to the Gaol. On Sunday night last a number of men entered the house of a poor man, of the name of Brien, who lives at Kiln, in the suburbs of Cashel, next to the rock, and beat him so savagely with stones, his skull is fractured; he was taken next morning to the infirmary, where he lies with very little hope of recovery. They also beat two boys who happened to be in the house at the time. Last week the house of Terence Byrne, near Thurles, was set on fire and totally consumed. The furniture of the house, the wearing apparel of the inmates, and a large quantity of wheat, shared the same fate. The family most narrowly escaped with their lives. This man had been selected as a victim by the Liberators of the County, because he was concerned in a prosecution. About 12 O'clock on last Monday night some of the conspirators, who assemble every night in the streets of Cashel, flung a large stone with dreadful violence at Mr. Upton's door and broke a window over it.

29-5-1860 From the Times. Law Intelligence. Court of Chancery Appeal-Yesterday. Before the Lord Chancellor, the Lord Justice of Appeal, and the Hon. Baron Hughes. Hunt, owner and petitioner. This was an appeal from an order of the Landed Estates Court, made by Judge Dobbs, on the 13th Feb. last, by which Mr. Dixon O'Keeffe, was entitled to an conveyance of 154 statue acres, instead of 142, which quantity of land the owner and petitioner, Hunt, contended he had only purchased. Mr. Hunt was the owner of two denominations of land in the County of Tipperary, called Shanballyduff and Monara, which, on his petition, were disposed in the Landed Estates Court. Shanballyduff was divided into four lots, one of which (that above named Monara) constituted the fifth. The question in the case turned upon the description which had been given of the ground by the rental. The acreage of lot 1 was set forth as "142a,2r.6p. Statute measure", but in the appended column of observations it was stated to comprise 154 statute acres. Mr. O'Keeffe purchased the lot for a sum of £2,350, and the petitioner was declared the purchaser of lot 4. Subsequently the former claimed to have purchased in his lot a plantation containing 12 acres, but this was disputed by Mr. Hunt, who averred that the plantation formed no part of the property purchased by Mr. O'Keeffe, but that it had always remained in his own hands. The Judge decided that he (Mr. O'Keeffe) was entitled to the 154 acres. The appeal lay from this declaration. The Court varied the order of Judge Dobbs, by discharging the purchaser from his purchase.

Michael If you want to know quickly : Tipperary Family History Research ( Centre ) . It is a wonderful site and the people bend over backwards to help you to define your problem . Laurie Thompson Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Brock To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] TFHR Pat Connors For the benefit of antipodeans like myself, could you please expand on what TFHR stands for? I have probably missed an earlier e-mail which would have given me the clue, and Googling didn't help a lot. Best Regards Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 75 > > >> Waterford Heritage want ?95 for one lookup so who would complain about >> ?10`s > > Well, I had a lookup done by TFHR when I knew the parents names and a ca > date but not the place in Co. Tipperary and it was around 10-20 euros. > I would rather go that way, than the hit or miss way that is currently > online. Since they don't show the parents names, and if you don't know > the place, you might have to check out a number of records which can get > costly. > > -- > Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1329 - Release Date: 14/03/2008 12:33 PM

Pat Connors For the benefit of antipodeans like myself, could you please expand on what TFHR stands for? I have probably missed an earlier e-mail which would have given me the clue, and Googling didn't help a lot. Best Regards Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 75 > > >> Waterford Heritage want ?95 for one lookup so who would complain about >> ?10`s > > Well, I had a lookup done by TFHR when I knew the parents names and a ca > date but not the place in Co. Tipperary and it was around 10-20 euros. > I would rather go that way, than the hit or miss way that is currently > online. Since they don't show the parents names, and if you don't know > the place, you might have to check out a number of records which can get > costly. > > -- > Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Brenda, Thank you so much for your help. I will print your response so I can show it to others when they tell me there is no such place. My Grandfather told me everything his father had told him about Bishopswood, but people who never heard of the place just don't want to believe it ever existed. Best regards to you, Patty Brenda Pilson <brendapilson@yahoo.com.au> wrote: Hi, Bishopswood is a townland in the civil prish of Kilmore in South Tipperary in Kilnamanagh Lower Barony. Regards Brenda ----- Original Message ---- From: Patty Napier To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2008 3:09:08 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Tipperary Where would I research County Tipperary S.R.? My family is Godsell and they were not Catholic. They lived in a Townland called Bishopswood, which is non-existent today. I found it on a very, very old map which I was able to get from County Tipperary about 5 years ago, but have now lost the map. Three of the sons of my Edward Godsell emigrated to the U.S. in the 1840-1850's, one of whom is my Great Grandfather. I do have his Naturalization Papers, but have nothing else other than his farm and burial site in Kansas, USA as well as family history that has been passed down verbally. I don't know when my Edward Godsell died, but have always been told it was after 1856 and one descendant of his has said that he wife, Margaret Sarah McGregor, married a Henry Howard around 1856. Edward, Margaret Sarah and Henry Howard all died in Ireland. Patty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm glad you had such good luck, Laurie. I didn't fare so well. I just got one family and it was the wrong one. The dates didn't even match. Agnes -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:05 PM To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] TFHR Michael If you want to know quickly : Tipperary Family History Research ( Centre ) . It is a wonderful site and the people bend over backwards to help you to define your problem . Laurie Thompson Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Brock To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] TFHR Pat Connors For the benefit of antipodeans like myself, could you please expand on what TFHR stands for? I have probably missed an earlier e-mail which would have given me the clue, and Googling didn't help a lot. Best Regards Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 75 > > >> Waterford Heritage want ?95 for one lookup so who would complain about >> ?10`s > > Well, I had a lookup done by TFHR when I knew the parents names and a ca > date but not the place in Co. Tipperary and it was around 10-20 euros. > I would rather go that way, than the hit or miss way that is currently > online. Since they don't show the parents names, and if you don't know > the place, you might have to check out a number of records which can get > costly. > > -- > Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1329 - Release Date: 14/03/2008 12:33 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Bishopswood is a townland in the civil prish of Kilmore in South Tipperary in Kilnamanagh Lower Barony. Regards Brenda ----- Original Message ---- From: Patty Napier <yankee67@sbcglobal.net> To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2008 3:09:08 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Tipperary Where would I research County Tipperary S.R.? My family is Godsell and they were not Catholic. They lived in a Townland called Bishopswood, which is non-existent today. I found it on a very, very old map which I was able to get from County Tipperary about 5 years ago, but have now lost the map. Three of the sons of my Edward Godsell emigrated to the U.S. in the 1840-1850's, one of whom is my Great Grandfather. I do have his Naturalization Papers, but have nothing else other than his farm and burial site in Kansas, USA as well as family history that has been passed down verbally. I don't know when my Edward Godsell died, but have always been told it was after 1856 and one descendant of his has said that he wife, Margaret Sarah McGregor, married a Henry Howard around 1856. Edward, Margaret Sarah and Henry Howard all died in Ireland. Patty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail

Where would I research County Tipperary S.R.? My family is Godsell and they were not Catholic. They lived in a Townland called Bishopswood, which is non-existent today. I found it on a very, very old map which I was able to get from County Tipperary about 5 years ago, but have now lost the map. Three of the sons of my Edward Godsell emigrated to the U.S. in the 1840-1850's, one of whom is my Great Grandfather. I do have his Naturalization Papers, but have nothing else other than his farm and burial site in Kansas, USA as well as family history that has been passed down verbally. I don't know when my Edward Godsell died, but have always been told it was after 1856 and one descendant of his has said that he wife, Margaret Sarah McGregor, married a Henry Howard around 1856. Edward, Margaret Sarah and Henry Howard all died in Ireland. Patty

I am looking for information about my great-grandparents. William Rochford (b 20-Dec-1846) married Catherine Cleary (b 21-Aug-1852) on 10 Jul 1869. The family was known to be living in Killenaule, County Tipperary Ireland in the 1890s. William and Catherine had the following children: Johanna Rochford 1869- Emigrated to NJ in 1890 William Rochford 1871- Emigrated to US Thomas Rochford 1876-1880 Patrick Rochford 1879-1880 Elizabeth Rochford 1881-1946 My grandmother - Emigrated to NY in 1898 Mary Rochford 1884- Emigrated to NJ in 1902 Richard Rochford 1887- Margaret Rochford 1889-1975 Emigrated to NJ in 1913 Married Martin Durkin Catherine Rochford 1891- James Rochford 1894- Any help in appreciated. Tom Parsons thomas_parsons@ctb.com -------------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this message is intended only for the recipient, and may be a confidential attorney-client communication or may otherwise be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, please be aware that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. reserves the right, subject to applicable local law, to monitor and review the content of any electronic message or information sent to or from McGraw-Hill employee e-mail addresses without informing the sender or recipient of the message. --------------------------------------------------------

Hi . aparently the system does not recognise the euro sign . ?=Euro Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurie Thompson To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Waterford Ripoff Pat. Waterford Heritage want ?95 for one lookup so who would complain about ?10`s . Laurie Original Message ----- From: Pat Connors To: donkelly ; CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Church records online These aren't free, Don. They allow you to search and then give you minimal information and it costs ten euros to see the record. Now, if you are looking for a Ryan in County Tipperary, there may be a number of Patrick Ryans born the same year, but you have to look at each one to see if his parents are the ones you are searching. To me, it is a big rip off. They should at least allow you to search using the parents names and the dates. -- Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 13/03/2008 11:31 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 13/03/2008 11:31 AM

Pat. Waterford Heritage want ?95 for one lookup so who would complain about ?10`s . Laurie Original Message ----- From: Pat Connors To: donkelly ; CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Church records online These aren't free, Don. They allow you to search and then give you minimal information and it costs ten euros to see the record. Now, if you are looking for a Ryan in County Tipperary, there may be a number of Patrick Ryans born the same year, but you have to look at each one to see if his parents are the ones you are searching. To me, it is a big rip off. They should at least allow you to search using the parents names and the dates. -- Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 13/03/2008 11:31 AM

> > Waterford Heritage want ?95 for one lookup so who would complain about ?10`s Well, I had a lookup done by TFHR when I knew the parents names and a ca date but not the place in Co. Tipperary and it was around 10-20 euros. I would rather go that way, than the hit or miss way that is currently online. Since they don't show the parents names, and if you don't know the place, you might have to check out a number of records which can get costly. -- Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Does anyone know the history of Roscrea Tipperary 17th to 18th century. In particular, regarding plantation settlers from the north of England ? My husband's ancestors were Briarleys , not a particularly Irish name. There seems to be a number of them and I wondered how they got there and where they originally came from. Thanks for any info. Karina ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Hi Pat, If you're visiting Rotundo, FL then would you be in the vicinity of Englewood. If so, welcome to not so sunny FL. Regards, Kay -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Connors Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:57 PM To: donkelly; CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Church records online These aren't free, Don. They allow you to search and then give you minimal information and it costs ten euros to see the record. Now, if you are looking for a Ryan in County Tipperary, there may be a number of Patrick Ryans born the same year, but you have to look at each one to see if his parents are the ones you are searching. To me, it is a big rip off. They should at least allow you to search using the parents names and the dates. -- Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I played with Limerick. At least there you can hone in on a single parish if you have the first name AND know the parish and the date within 4 years either way. Do not even try with So. Tipp as the information is just not there to search. Janet On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > These aren't free, Don. They allow you to search and then give you > minimal information and it costs ten euros to see the record. Now, if > you are looking for a Ryan in County Tipperary, there may be a number of > Patrick Ryans born the same year, but you have to look at each one to > see if his parents are the ones you are searching. To me, it is a big > rip off. They should at least allow you to search using the parents > names and the dates. > > > -- > Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It is ver nice to see genealogy records for Ireland going online in quick time. This is what we have been trying to encourage for thirteen years now. But remember first is our goal to put up databases free for everyone the world over. To accomplish this within the next twenty years or so will require thousands of volunteers.......and even then the sobering fact is, we shall never have it all. Have a great day all. donkelly -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> > The Irish Family History Foundation is rapidly putting more and more > church records online for searching and buying. Recently they added > County Limerick and the Cashel and Emly Diocese records for parishes in > Co. Limerick are also included. Does anyone know if the they are also > included in Co. Tipperary records? > > -- > Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, the records held at Bru Boru seem to be on-line but perhaps not yet working properly. The records held by TFHR do NOT appear to be included anywhere, at least not yet. Janet On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > The Irish Family History Foundation is rapidly putting more and more > church records online for searching and buying. Recently they added > County Limerick and the Cashel and Emly Diocese records for parishes in > Co. Limerick are also included. Does anyone know if the they are also > included in Co. Tipperary records? > > -- > Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The parishes in the diocese of Cashel & Emly that were indexed by the Tipperary North Family Research Centre are on line. I tested it out by ordering a baptism for someone from the parish of Ballina. So it's the southern part of the diocese that the TFHR has the indexes for that are missing from the online index. Theresa Liewer **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

These aren't free, Don. They allow you to search and then give you minimal information and it costs ten euros to see the record. Now, if you are looking for a Ryan in County Tipperary, there may be a number of Patrick Ryans born the same year, but you have to look at each one to see if his parents are the ones you are searching. To me, it is a big rip off. They should at least allow you to search using the parents names and the dates. -- Pat Connors, visiting Rotundo West, FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com