Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, Janet you are correct regarding the transcribing of information given by either our three convict ladies, and the other Scanlan/Scanlon families members who sailed as Bounty Immigrants Down Under. I am sure that the could neither read or write, and with their Irish accents, the Clerk taking down the information who enter what they said as he thought he heard it. This also explains the two ways the names were spelt, Scanlan and Scanlon, also the mother's name Alice was spelt as Alicia. Not yet having had the pleasure of visiting Eyre, I am a bit confused about names of places, however I am willing to learn as I am 95% Irish descent on both sides of my parents' families. Only one English set of g grandparents slip into the mix, they were John and Mary Ann Nadin (nee Youde) from Manchester. John was the grandson of Joseph Nadin, who went down in history as the Deputy Constable of Manchester and the man who gave the order to attack at Peterloo. My Irish connection comes from convicts and free settlers and they came from Clare, Queens, Sligo, Tipperary and Limerick, the families being O'Gorman, Scanlan,Whelan, Clancy, Elliott, Goldie, McKeaver and Boyle. One day soon, I am looking forward to visiting Ireland to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes to research his Doughty connections. Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map of Ireland out. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > Hi Janet & Janice, > > There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread over > the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes (Ardfinnan, > Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three > sections > as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch > ordnance > survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half way > between Caher and Ardfinnan. > > Regards, > > Seamus. > > Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. > Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. > somoore@iol.ie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At last I am receiving from Ireland slowly hard copy of some Marriage licence grants, so as I type them up what have Tipperary content will be sent on to the list - and of coure if some of you are on other lists you may well see some there as well, so if you receive the same thing twice I apoligise ahead of time for this happening. Cara William Gardiner of Co Tipperary, a labourer and Bridget Hogan Killaloe Co Clare Spinster, 9th May 1816 Security was John Hogan brother of Bridget

Hi Cara nice to see you on this list too, my Sayers are from Fethard county Tipperary don't seem to do well with them either Edna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:27 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] MARRIAGE LICENCE GRANT TIPPERARY GROOM > > At last I am receiving from Ireland slowly hard copy of some Marriage > licence grants, so as I type them up what have Tipperary content will be > sent on to the list - and of coure if some of you are on other lists you > may well see some there as well, so if you receive the same thing twice I > apoligise ahead of time for this happening. > > Cara > > William Gardiner of Co Tipperary, a labourer and Bridget Hogan Killaloe > Co > Clare Spinster, 9th May 1816 > Security was John Hogan brother of Bridget > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janice, please pass on to your husband that he will be looking for Doherty/Dougherty when he gets over here. That gets mangled, too. Can you tell us about them, too, please? Janet On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Janice Doughty <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, > SNIP I am looking forward to visiting Ireland > to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes to > research his Doughty connections. > > Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map of > Ireland out. > > Regards, > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > > >> Hi Janet & Janice, >> >> There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread over >> the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes (Ardfinnan, >> Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three >> sections >> as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch >> ordnance >> survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half way >> between Caher and Ardfinnan. >> >> Regards, >> >> Seamus. >> >> Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. >> Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. >> somoore@iol.ie >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Janet & Janice, There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread over the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes (Ardfinnan, Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three sections as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch ordnance survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half way between Caher and Ardfinnan. Regards, Seamus. Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. somoore@iol.ie

Hello Listers, I wrote to the List some years ago about this family and since then I have found out more about them and that some other family members arrived in the Sydney Cove in the Colony of New South Wales, as what was know as Bounty Immigrants. I am hoping that SKSs can assist me with the story of the Scanlan's in Tipperary. (I will spell the name as Scanlan, however in the Colony of New South Wales Scanlon was also used). The story begins with Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) the wife of William Scanlan (dec'd) and one of her daughters Margaret Scanlan, they had been arrested for stealing wearing apparel and both of them were sentenced to 7 years transportation to the Penal Colony of Port Jackson in the Criminal Court on March 31st 1829 in Tipperary. Mother and daughter, sailed on the convict ship "Asia" on 10th September1829 from Cork. The master of the "Asia" was Thomas Stead and the ship's Surgeon was Alexander Nesbet. The Asia arrived in the Colony on 13th January 1830 and the voyage took 125 days. On their Muster when mother and daughter arrived in Sydney Cove it is noted: - Alice Scanlan,- 40 years of age and she can do 'all work'. Sentence 7 years. Description: - a ruddy complexion, grey hair and hazel eyes and indented to Mr.H. Burrows. It was noted that Alice was the mother of 7 children. Margaret Scanlan - 25 years of age - 'a seamstress and laundress'. Sentence 7 years. Description: - a ruddy complexion, brown hair and hazel eyes and she was indented to Mrs. Orr of Parramatta. Two years later another daughter of Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) is arrested. She was Mary Scanlan and was tried in Tipperary in 1831 and convicted of stealing clothes and geese. It is noted on her trial papers, she had two children (out of wedlock). Mary was sentenced to transportation for 7 years for her crime. Mary sailed on the "Southworth" on 6th February 1832 from Cork. The voyage took 129 day and arrived in Port Jackson on the 13th June 1832. The master on this voyage was John Coombes and the Surgeon was Jason Forrester. At the Muster on the arrival of the Southworth it was noted:- Mary Scanlan sentence seven years, age 25, from Tipperary...' Mary Scanlan sought permission to marry Robert Pearce, she was still classed as a bonded servant and she had been assigned to her future husband. Robert Pearce is the older brother of my husband's gg grandfather Richard. Alice, her daughters Margaret and Mary, married very soon after arriving in the Colony. Alice married a free settler by the name of Michael Sullivan, Margaret married an freed convict, Martin Crahan and Mary married Colinal born Robert Pearce a son of two convicts. All the ladies married in the year each of the them arrived. Another daughter of Alice Sutherland (Scanlan nee Kinmaley) arrived in the Colony in 1841. Joanna Scanlan arrived free she was 20 years of age (born circa 1821). Bounty Immigrant - Arrived in Colony 1841 Ship "Alfred". Where from:- Tipperary, Ireland. Rel:-R.C. Occupation:- Kitchenmaid. Daughter of Alice (mother residing in N.S.W. father William dead). In the same year a married son of Alice Sutherland (Scanlan nee Kinmaley) arrived with his family also as a Bounty Immigrant. John Scanlan, 27. Bounty Immigrant - Arrived in Colony 1841 Ship Canton. Where from:- CAHER - Tipperary Ireland. R.C. Labourer. Son of William Scanlon dead and Alice Kinmaley. Johannah Scanlon 30. Arrived in Colony 1841 Ship "Canton". Where from: CAHER - Tipperary, Ireland. Rel:R.C. Occup:- Housekeeper. Daughter of William Clancy dead and Mary Cochrane. Wife of John. Children Elizabeth 14, Alice 4 and Johannah 2, daughters of John and Johanna. However, the age of teh daughter Elizabeth 14 is a bit of a worry, as her parents would have been 13 and 16. If it is not a transcription error, Elizabeth maybe on of the two children Mary Pearce (nee Scanlan) who arrived as a convict on the "Southworth", left behind in Tipperary. What the family here Down Under would like to find out, it is the story of the Scanlans.Scanlons in Tipperary. So the information we have is:- Alice Kinmaley was born circa 1790 in Tipperary Alice Kinmaley married William Scanlan (circa ??) in Tipperary. We know that William and Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) had 7 children. At the time that John and Johanna Scanlan, the children of William and Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) sailed Down Under their father William was desceased. The SCANLAN Children we know of, who sailed to the Colony of Port Jackson (Australia) are:- Margaret Scanlan born circa 1803 (from Tipperary - convict) Mary Scanlan born circa 1807 (from Tipperary - convict) John Scanlan born circa 1814 (from Caher - Tipperary - Free) Johanna Scanlan born circa 1821 (from Tipperary - Free) So what I am hoping Listers can assist me with, is who are the Scanlans, also who are the Kinmaleys? What is their history? When and where did William Scanlan marry Alice Kinmaley? Did the Scanlan family all come from CAHER in Tipperary? Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) is noted to have had 7 children on her Indent, what happened to the three children who did not sail to the Colony to join their mother and what were their names? Any suggestions would be very much appreicated. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney Australia

Good morning Listers, I wrote to the List some years ago about this family and since then I have found out more about them and that some other family members arrived in the Sydney Cove in the Colony of New South Wales, as what was know as Bounty Immigrants. I am hoping that SKSs can assist me with the story of the Scanlan's in Tipperary. (I will spell the name as Scanlan, however in the Colony of New South Wales Scanlon was also used). The story begins with Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) the wife of William Scanlan (dec'd) and one of her daughters Margaret Scanlan, they had been arrested for stealing wearing apparel and both of them were sentenced to 7 years transportation to the Penal Colony of Port Jackson in the Criminal Court on March 31st 1829 in Tipperary. Mother and daughter, sailed on the convict ship "Asia" on 10th September1829 from Cork. The master of the "Asia" was Thomas Stead and the ship's Surgeon was Alexander Nesbet. The Asia arrived in the Colony on 13th January 1830 and the voyage took 125 days. On their Muster when mother and daughter arrived in Sydney Cove it is noted: - Alice Scanlan,- 40 years of age and she can do 'all work'. Sentence 7 years. Description: - a ruddy complexion, grey hair and hazel eyes and indented to Mr.H. Burrows. It was noted that Alice was the mother of 7 children. Margaret Scanlan - 25 years of age - 'a seamstress and laundress'. Sentence 7 years. Description: - a ruddy complexion, brown hair and hazel eyes and she was indented to Mrs. Orr of Parramatta. Two years later another daughter of Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) is arrested. She was Mary Scanlan and was tried in Tipperary in 1831 and convicted of stealing clothes and geese. It is noted on her trial papers, she had two children (out of wedlock). Mary was sentenced to transportation for 7 years for her crime. Mary sailed on the "Southworth" on 6th February 1832 from Cork. The voyage took 129 day and arrived in Port Jackson on the 13th June 1832. The master on this voyage was John Coombes and the Surgeon was Jason Forrester. At the Muster on the arrival of the Southworth it was noted:- Mary Scanlan sentence seven years, age 25, from Tipperary...' Mary Scanlan sought permission to marry Robert Pearce, she was still classed as a bonded servant and she had been assigned to her future husband. Robert Pearce is the older brother of my husband's gg grandfather Richard. Alice, her daughters Margaret and Mary, married very soon after arriving in the Colony. Alice married a free settler by the name of Michael Sullivan, Margaret married an freed convict, Martin Crahan and Mary married Colinal born Robert Pearce a son of two convicts. All the ladies married in the year each of the them arrived. Another daughter of Alice Sutherland (Scanlan nee Kinmaley) arrived in the Colony in 1841. Joanna Scanlan arrived free she was 20 years of age (born circa 1821). Bounty Immigrant - Arrived in Colony 1841 Ship "Alfred". Where from:- Tipperary, Ireland. Rel:-R.C. Occupation:- Kitchenmaid. Daughter of Alice (mother residing in N.S.W. father William dead). In the same year a married son of Alice Sutherland (Scanlan nee Kinmaley) arrived with his family also as a Bounty Immigrant. John Scanlan, 27. Bounty Immigrant - Arrived in Colony 1841 Ship Canton. Where from:- CAHER - Tipperary Ireland. R.C. Labourer. Son of William Scanlon dead and Alice Kinmaley. Johannah Scanlon 30. Arrived in Colony 1841 Ship "Canton". Where from: CAHER - Tipperary, Ireland. Rel:R.C. Occup:- Housekeeper. Daughter of William Clancy dead and Mary Cochrane. Wife of John. Children Elizabeth 14, Alice 4 and Johannah 2, daughters of John and Johanna. However, the age of teh daughter Elizabeth 14 is a bit of a worry, as her parents would have been 13 and 16. If it is not a transcription error, Elizabeth maybe on of the two children Mary Pearce (nee Scanlan) who arrived as a convict on the "Southworth", left behind in Tipperary. What the family here Down Under would like to find out, it is the story of the Scanlans.Scanlons in Tipperary. So the information we have is:- Alice Kinmaley was born circa 1790 in Tipperary Alice Kinmaley married William Scanlan (circa ??) in Tipperary. We know that William and Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) had 7 children. At the time that John and Johanna Scanlan, the children of William and Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) sailed Down Under their father William was desceased. The SCANLAN Children we know of, who sailed to the Colony of Port Jackson (Australia) are:- Margaret Scanlan born circa 1803 (from Tipperary - convict) Mary Scanlan born circa 1807 (from Tipperary - convict) John Scanlan born circa 1814 (from Caher - Tipperary - Free) Johanna Scanlan born circa 1821 (from Tipperary - Free) So what I am hoping Listers can assist me with, is who are the Scanlans, also who are the Kinmaleys? What is their history? When and where did William Scanlan marry Alice Kinmaley? Did the Scanlan family all come from CAHER in Tipperary? Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley) is noted to have had 7 children on her Indent, what happened to the three children who did not sail to the Colony to join their mother and what were their names? Any suggestions would be very much appreicated. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney Australia

Thanks, Ed, I'll do that! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Steed" <edsteed2@juno.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? > Many library systems subscribe to Ancestry.com for their card holders to > use. Call your library and ask if the service is available. > > Ed Steed > Florissant, MO > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janice, Here's a wild guess in another direction. There is one place to look, but it would mean that possibly the person taking down here details did a sloppy job of mixing up her name and place of residence. It could be she is from Kilmalogue. There are 3 of those all in the PLU of Clogheen. One is in the civil parish of Ardfinnan PLU, one in Derrygrath, and one in Rochestown PLU. In Clogheen PLU is also Caherabbey Lower and Upper, which could have easily been shortened to Caher, and it is in the civil parish of Caher. Clogheen PLU is in the barony of Iffa & Offa. Perhaps Pete will write directly to you and tell you how far apart these places are from each other. When you say the Criminal Court of Tipperary, do you mean Tipperary Town? or County Tipperary? Clogheen would possibly be closer to Clonmel's court than Tipp Town's, but I guess it would depend on where she was arrested. I would still hold to my guess on the surname as Kenneally, however. Janet On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Janice Doughty <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I wrote to the List some years ago about this family and since then I have > found out more about them and that some other family members arrived in the > Sydney Cove in the Colony of New South Wales, as what was know as Bounty > Immigrants. > > I am hoping that SKSs can assist me with the story of the Scanlan's in > Tipperary. (I will spell the name as Scanlan, however in the Colony of New > South Wales Scanlon was also used). > > The story begins with Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley)

Janice, I strongly suspect that Alice Scanlan's maiden name was not Kilmalley, but instead Kenneally. Try checking the Tithes and Griffiths for places where Scanlan and Kenneally are found near each other. Kenneally started as a Co. Limerick surname but spread all over Munster in later times. You are going to have to search on a lot of possible variations of the spelling of Kenneally. Janet On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Janice Doughty <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I wrote to the List some years ago about this family and since then I have > found out more about them and that some other family members arrived in the > Sydney Cove in the Colony of New South Wales, as what was know as Bounty > Immigrants. > > I am hoping that SKSs can assist me with the story of the Scanlan's in > Tipperary. (I will spell the name as Scanlan, however in the Colony of New > South Wales Scanlon was also used). > > The story begins with Alice Scanlan (nee Kinmaley)

Many library systems subscribe to Ancestry.com for their card holders to use. Call your library and ask if the service is available. Ed Steed Florissant, MO

Yes, she seemed to switch names quite easily. She was named "Eliza", but I knew her as Aunt Lizzie. Years later she seemed to always use the formal "Elizabeth" Thank you. Kat - NJ - USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "P Jean Skar" <pjtskar@online.no> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? > Also on Ellis Island but must be indexed wrong > If you do a search for > Kate Kilmartin > And pick the one that is 18 > You will find your Lizzie on bottom of page as Lizzie Not Eliza the same > was > for the census records and why there was trouble finding it as she didn't > use Eliza on these records > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy > Sent: 28. april 2008 14:39 > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? > > Thank you > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P Jean Skar" <pjtskar@online.no> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:38 AM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? > > >>I found her in both census and immigration records tried to send the >>images >> to your email but they were returned >> She immigrated in 1895 >> >> Jean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy >> Sent: 23. april 2008 14:22 >> To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com >> Cc: cotipperary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? >> >> Good morning - >> >> Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry.com and be willing to do a look-up for >> me? >> I thought I would take them up on their "free" trial but I am not willing >> to >> give my credit card number and risk getting charged (going through >> financial >> hard times) >> >> I'm trying to find out when ELIZA MULLALLY arrived in the US. She was >> born >> in 1871 in Mullinahone, Tipperary. She was living at 413 Halsey Street, >> Brooklyn, New York in 1901 when her sister, Mary, arrived. She could be >> travelling with another Mullally or a Hackett. >> >> I have checked Ellis Island, Castle Garden and ISTG to no avail. >> >> Thank you in advance >> >> Kat - NJ - USA >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also on Ellis Island but must be indexed wrong If you do a search for Kate Kilmartin And pick the one that is 18 You will find your Lizzie on bottom of page as Lizzie Not Eliza the same was for the census records and why there was trouble finding it as she didn't use Eliza on these records -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Sent: 28. april 2008 14:39 To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "P Jean Skar" <pjtskar@online.no> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? >I found her in both census and immigration records tried to send the images > to your email but they were returned > She immigrated in 1895 > > Jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy > Sent: 23. april 2008 14:22 > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Cc: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? > > Good morning - > > Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry.com and be willing to do a look-up for > me? > I thought I would take them up on their "free" trial but I am not willing > to > give my credit card number and risk getting charged (going through > financial > hard times) > > I'm trying to find out when ELIZA MULLALLY arrived in the US. She was > born > in 1871 in Mullinahone, Tipperary. She was living at 413 Halsey Street, > Brooklyn, New York in 1901 when her sister, Mary, arrived. She could be > travelling with another Mullally or a Hackett. > > I have checked Ellis Island, Castle Garden and ISTG to no avail. > > Thank you in advance > > Kat - NJ - USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had never really read the hand-out one gets from the Registrar's Office in detail but it seems they carry a few unusual registers. These probably would help only a very few people, but I thought I would get this into the archives. Apparently, the PROTESTANT marriages between April 1,1845 and December 31, 1863 are available in a separate register. RC records wouldn't start until 1864. Looks like they only kept marriages and not births or deaths. This might be an alternate place to look if a Protestant marriage was for some reason only registered civilly. There is a separate register for births at sea of children, one of whose parents was Irish dating from 1/1/1864 to 1921. There is a separate register of deaths at sea of Irish-born persons dating from 1/1/1864 There is a register of births of children of Irish parents abroad as certified by the British Counsuls abroad dating 1/1/1864 to 1921. I assume this covered visitors, diplomatic staff, etc. and not immigrants. A register of deaths of Irish-born persons living abroad certified by British Counsuls abroad from 1864 to 1921. Again, probably just people abroad temporarily. Apparently a register of births, deaths and marriages under the Army Act of 1879 - so for those enlisted in the army. A register for only the German Protestant church, Poulbeg St., Dublin from 1806 to 1837, inclusive. Janet

Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "P Jean Skar" <pjtskar@online.no> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? >I found her in both census and immigration records tried to send the images > to your email but they were returned > She immigrated in 1895 > > Jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy > Sent: 23. april 2008 14:22 > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Cc: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? > > Good morning - > > Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry.com and be willing to do a look-up for > me? > I thought I would take them up on their "free" trial but I am not willing > to > give my credit card number and risk getting charged (going through > financial > hard times) > > I'm trying to find out when ELIZA MULLALLY arrived in the US. She was > born > in 1871 in Mullinahone, Tipperary. She was living at 413 Halsey Street, > Brooklyn, New York in 1901 when her sister, Mary, arrived. She could be > travelling with another Mullally or a Hackett. > > I have checked Ellis Island, Castle Garden and ISTG to no avail. > > Thank you in advance > > Kat - NJ - USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

25-5-1857 Clonmel Chronicle. Discovery of coal near Thurles, Co. Tipperary. At Upperchurch, in this County, a newly discovered coal mine on the property of Mr. Richard Armstrong, Mealiffe, is now being worked under the management of Mr. Richard Millett, C.E., Milbrook, and although the shaft is sunk but fifty feet, considerable quantities of culm and extensive coal bed have been met with. Several of the miners lately employed at the Holyford copper mines are working this colliery; and we understand that the bed which has just been found will profitably employ a considerable number of persons, and will not only be a valuable source of wealth to the fortunate owner of the estate, but will prove of great advantage to the district, culm especially, being much required in the burning of lime for agricultural and other purposes. 23-4-1846 Tipperary Vindicator. Respite for convicts under sentence of death. Yesterday morning an order was received by the High Sheriff, directed to the governor of the county gaol, respiting the executions of William Fogarty, found guilty of firing at Mr. M'Donnell, of the Killaloe Slate Quarries, to the 15th May, and respiting the execution of Patrick Hayes and Patrick Rice, found guilty of the conspiracy to murder the late Mr. Clarke, of South Hill, to the same period. Their respite, we understand, has been granted in consequence of the law points raised by an eminent counsel who defended those prisoners, and which are to be argued before the twelve judges. The intelligence of the respite was immediately imparted to the prisoners by the governor of the gaol. They received the news with every demonstration of gratitude. 29-10-1841 Tipperary Free Press. Mullinahone--A man named Thomas Holmes, who is over 70 years of age, and of a most unblemished character, who had been from his infancy a strict member of the Established Church. But who lately, feeling a sensitive conviction of the religious errors of his past life, voluntarily and unsolicited requested the rites of the Roman Catholic Faith, and consequently was received into that community by the Rev. John Cooney, R.C.C., at Mullinahone, on Thursday last, of which place he is an native, and ever since his happy conversion his attention to religious instruction has been almost unceasing.

7-12-1886 Freeman's Journal The Rents in Mid Tipperary. Thurles, Thursday. The following reductions have been already given in this district. Lord Norbury, through his agent, Major Studdert, gave his Noard and Two-Mile-Borris tenantry 20%. Lord Orkney, to his Killiney and Laffan's Folly tenantry, 15%. Lord Dunsandle accepted the rents from the farmers on his Thurles property at Griffith's Valuation which was an average reduction of 15%. Lady Matthews gave her Leugh tenantry a reduction of 25%. Lady Helena Burnett gave, through her agent Major Maunsell, a reduction of 35% to her Ballinahow tenantry. The Messrs. Cornwalls, agents for the Smiths, minors, and Countess de Boise, who are owners of very large properties in this district, gave reductions of 20%. Captain Saunders gave a reduction of 20% to the tenants on the Erasmus Smith property in Drombane. Mr. Maher Dungarvan, gave a reduction of 30% to his Lisaroon tenantry. Mr. Alderson, to his Mardyke and Kilnasie tenantry, a reduction of 20%. Mr. Kennedy, Dublin, the owner of an extensive property in Leigh, gave 20%. Mr. Denis B. O'Brien, J.P. gave his Clekile tenantry 25%. Mr. David Clancy, Clonmel, a most popular Landlord, gave a general reduction of 20% to his Ballycurrane, Canmons, and Seskin tenantry, but in some individual cases, where it had been shown that that abatement was not sufficient, he gave as much as 40%. On the Dame Stannix property, Major Gabbot, the received offered 20%, but the tenants declined to accept it, (pending an appeal to the Judge), as they do not consider it sufficient. The tenants of Mr. John Trant, Dovea, a gentleman who has some thousands of acres on his own hands, called on him the other day to pay their rents, and on asking for an abatement were refused. Some of the tenants were afterwards obliged to sell their cattle to his steward in order to make up the full amount of the rent.

2-11-1833 The Cashel Corporation-A Family Party. Sir John Judkin Fitzgerald, the Mayor of Cashel, and a son of Sir Thomas Fitzgerald of flogging celebrity, made the following disclosure in the course of his examination before the Commissioners, Messrs Hanna and King:-- The Board of Aldermen are the ruling body of the corporation; that board consists of the Mayor and Aldermen; the late Mr. Richard Pennefather had considerable influence in the appointment of Aldermen, witness thinks that no person would be elected an Alderman or Mayor, contrary to his wishes, witness never knew his recommendation of Aldermen refused. Mr. O'Brien;-Mr. Commissioner, it will save a great deal of time, if you ask, was Mr. Richard Penne father the sole appointee of the Aldermen---it is a matter of public notoriety. Mr. Hanna--Give me a list of the Aldermen. Mr. Roe here handed in a list. Mr. Hanna;-What relation are you to the late Mr. Pennefather.? I am his son-in-law; and if you are satisfied with that, the list of Aldermen, which is correct, and is now handed in, shows that all the Aldermen are of the Pennefather family. Mr. Hanna;-Rev. John Pennefather;-is brother to the late Mr. Pennefather, and an Alderman also. Mr. Hanna;-William Pennefather of Cork, is his brother also, and an Alderman. Mr. Hanna;--Matthew Pennefather, is his son. Mr. Hanna, William Pennefather of Lakefield, is his son. Mr. Hanna, Ambrose Going is married to his daughter. Mr. Hanna;- Owen Lloyd is married to another of his daughters. Mr. Hanna;-William Lloyd, is his grandson. Mr. Hanna;-Kingsmill Pennefather, is his nephew, Mr. Hanna;-Nicholas Mansergh is his nephew. Mr. Hanna;-Daniel Connor is his nephew. Mr. Hanna;--Richard Connor is his nephew. Mr. Hanna;--William Pennefather of Annesfort?. Second Cousin.?--his cousin, that's all I can say, (Laughter). Mr. Hanna;-Thomas Pennefather, Third cousin. Mr. King;-except in Corporation matters, we don't go further than second cousins. (Laughter). Mr. Hanna;;-Edward Pennefather, the same. Mr. Hanna, Matthew Jacob, is first cousin to the late Mrs Pennefather. Mr. Hanna;-Thomas Bourke, is married to his niece Sir John Fitzgerald;--All the above mentioned are Aldermen, and are related, as above mentioned, to the said Richard Pennefather, now deceased. None of these persons, I think, were elected contrary to the wishes of the late Mr. Pennefather, or his son. Mr. T. Pennefather--A great many of them were elected before his son had any influence. Witness believes that Mr. Matthew Pennefather possesses considerable influence in the corporation;-believes that the recorder is first cousin to the late Mr. Pennefather. Thomas Pennefather, Deputy Recorder is one of the Aldermen above mentioned. Matthew Pennefather is also one of the above mentioned.

Assorted Newspapers. 17-3-1862 From the Clonmel Chronicle. County Tipperary Assizes. John Sheehy was indicted for a violent assault upon Timothy Quaid, a sergeant in the constabulary, while engaged in the discharge of his duty. It appeared that on the 9th Jan last the sergeant and two constables went to the town of Tipperary for the purpose of arresting the prisoner for some offence for which he had been charged. He took up a stone and threw it in the direction of the sergeant's head. The sergeant put up his hand to protect his head, when the stone struck him on the hand, breaking one of its bones. Prisoner resisted the party and was roughly handled. It appears his violence arose from his being under the influence of drink, and he stated his ribs were broken in the struggle to arrest him. The jury convicted the prisoner. The prisoner was undefended, and was sentenced to six months with hard labour. Wife beating---Patrick Maguire was indicted for an assault, and inflicting grievous bodily harm on his wife, Alice Maguire. The prisoner was undefended. When the case was called on, the prisoner's wife came forward and made and earnest appeal to his Lordship to let the prisoner off. She stated that it was all her own fault, that they had been 11 years married, and he never before raised his hand to her, that she drank all his money, pawned his clothes, and kept company he did not approve of. It appeared that on the 6th Feb last, the fair day of Clonmel, she was drunk in a public-house in Clonmel, when her husband came in and struck her on the head with a stick. She was carried out insensible, and was brought to Dr. Morrissey's who found her in a dying state from the combined effects of intoxication and of a severe scalp wound, which resulted from the blow. This evidence was given without resorting to that of the wife, who, when the case had closed, again renewed her appeal on behalf of the prisoner. The Jury convicted him, and his Lordship allowed him to stand by to obtain evidence of character. 23-1-1883 Today Mr. Gerald Fitzgerald, Sub. Sheriff , accompanied by Head-Constable Collier, Cashel, and a large Constabulary force, proceeded to Bullock-Park and Rathmaccarky, Rosegreen, and evicted John Coffey, P.L.G. and his father Mr. R. Coffey, from the above holdings and lands for rent due. Two Property Defence Association men were placed in charge protected by two constables. 30-10-1880 At Borrisoleigh Sessions next month, Patrick Ryan, of Glankeen, will apply for 13/. Compensation for a cow stabbed on Sept. 17th. At Thurles Road Sessions, on Nov. 5th , William Long of Drom, will apply for 25/. For a house maliciously burned. Ellen Cahill will apply for 70/., for a dwelling house, goods, and stock maliciously burned. At Kilunhill,? on the 15th David Reilly, Loughmore will apply for 3/., for an ass stabbed. At Roscrea Road Sessions William Reid, of Gortuagoma, will apply for 12/., for a threshing machine maliciously injured. Michael Cormack, Drumard will claim 10/., for the tails having been cut off two heifers, Edward Delaney for 10/., for a tail cut of a cow. D. Maher Clonallally, will claim 7/., for a clamp of turf burned. Mrs Sutton, Bahonshill, near Roscrea, claims 20/., for Ricks burned. 16-6-1882 At a meeting of the Board of Guardians today, Mr. Patrick Heany, presiding, Messrs Byrne, O'Donnell, Meagher, Hennessy, Heffernan, Mockler, and Feehan. Tenants recently evicted on the estate of Captain Perceval, at Clonoulty, appeared before the board and applied for outdoor relief. Henry Witherow said he held 3 acres, nine in family, owed £12. James Armstrong, 9 in family, held 24 acres, owed £87.12.0. Thomas Fahy, 3 in family, 27 acres, owed £70. Michael Ryan, 9 in family, held 10 acres, owed £40. Patrick Lonergan, 2 in family, caretaker at Ballymore House and Garden. John Power, 2 in family, 9 acres, owed £24. All got on average 2/6 per head, Thirty five ejectment notices were from Viscount Hawarden on Clonoulty and Kilpatrick Estates. 1-7-1885 Further particulars of the shooting of Timothy Hanly by his cousin Michael Breen, near Tipperary, show that the deceased had been visiting at Thomas Breen's in the evening, and afterwards went to Michael Breen's house to drink at the pump in the yard. Breen was in bed, but, hearing a noise, came to the window, and challenged the supposed stranger. Receiving no reply, he returned to his room and procured his gun. He again called out to the deceased, and, on no answer being given, he discharged the gun, shooting Hanly behind the ear. Breen send word to the police when he found out whom he had killed. At an inquest held yesterday an open verdict of death from a gunshot wound was returned. 10-4-1889 On Sunday night on the public road a dance was held in the Glen of Aherlow, and while it was going on, a farmer's son named James Lenihan passed by. The people, it is said, jeered at him, and he took up stones and threw them into the crowd. One struck Edmond Quirke, another farmer's son, on the head, and fractured his skull, from the effects of which he died a few hours afterwards. Lenihan is in custody.

I found her in both census and immigration records tried to send the images to your email but they were returned She immigrated in 1895 Jean -----Original Message----- From: cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Sent: 23. april 2008 14:22 To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Cc: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry? Good morning - Does anyone subscribe to Ancestry.com and be willing to do a look-up for me? I thought I would take them up on their "free" trial but I am not willing to give my credit card number and risk getting charged (going through financial hard times) I'm trying to find out when ELIZA MULLALLY arrived in the US. She was born in 1871 in Mullinahone, Tipperary. She was living at 413 Halsey Street, Brooklyn, New York in 1901 when her sister, Mary, arrived. She could be travelling with another Mullally or a Hackett. I have checked Ellis Island, Castle Garden and ISTG to no avail. Thank you in advance Kat - NJ - USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message