The attestation (enlistment) papers for the following WWI soldiers born in Tipperary are available in the Canadian National Archive Genealogy online database. The soldier's entire military record can be ordered from the archives. John Henry Tennant Bert Thompson James Tierney Patrick Edward Timmons Robert William Tipper John Torpy James Walsh Thomas Walsh Rieley William Webb (as spelled on list) Charles Frederick White John White Michael F White Robert Henry White Theodore Williams William Witherow James Wooral

The attestation (enlistment) papers for the following WWI soldiers born in Tipperary are available in the Canadian National Archive Genealogy online database. The soldier's entire military record can be ordered from the archives. John Michael Quillinan Patrick Quinlan Michael Ragan Mike J Ragan William Rapple Thomas Crawford Rea John Reardon John Reid Robert John Renison John Edward Smithwick Roberts Henry Herbert Robinson James Robinson William Rodgers Abraham Joseph Rogan George Rolffe Lawrie Rouan John Nenry Ruse (as spelled on list) Edmund Ryan Edward Ryan Edward William Ryan Jeremiah Ryan John Ryan - three listings John D Ryan John Joseph Ryan - two listings Michael Joseph Ryan Michael Kearney Ryan Thomas Ryan William Ryan James Robert Sadleir Henry Sofohn Sainty Richard J Sheedy Henry Smith Henry Raynor Smith William James Smith Ernest Snow John William Spencer Edward St Lawrence Thomas Stacey George Francis Stoney

The attestation (enlistment) papers for the following WWI soldiers born in Tipperary are available in the Canadian National Archive Genealogy online database. The soldier's entire military record can be ordered from the archives. John Nash Jeremiah Nelson Alan Pewiose Nevins Cecil William Nicholson John Nolan Leonard Noonan Andrew Joseph Norris Patrick O Mara (as spelled on list) Cornielius James O'Brien (as spelled on list) John O'Brien William O'Brien Jack O'Byrne Parick O'Carroll Charles O'Connor James William O'Connor Joseph O'Connor Daniel McCormack Odwyer John Anthony O'Keefe James Jospeh O'Neil Edmund Patrick O'Neil Christopher Oshea Michael Joseph Parker Andrew Joseph Parson Thomas Pennefather James Felix Perry Fred Petrie Patrick Murray Phelan George Henry Powers John Joseph Powers Thomas Francis Powers

The attestation (enlistment) papers for the following WWI soldiers born in Tipperary are available in the Canadian National Archive Genealogy online database. The soldier's entire military record can be ordered from the archives. Thomas James Kearney John Keating Thomas Francis Keating William Keating - two listings Frederick Kelly Thomas Kelly - two listings John Kennedy - two listings Patrick Kennedy Thomas Kennedy John Joyce Kirwin James King William Kinneally Frank Kirby Thomas Kirk Nora Evlyn Larkin William Lee John Francis Lewis George Hamilton Linney James Williamson Little Urleiom Lonegan Patrick Lonergan William Thomas Loney Frederick Alfred Lord William Joseph Lynch William John Lyons Bernard MacMahon Frederick Madden George Henry Madden Thomas Francis Madden John Maher Thomas Maher William Maher Archilbald Weir Malone Michael Patrick Mannion Arthur William Markey John Christopher Marks George Calvert Martin David Henry Mason James McWiggan Edward McCand Francis McCann Charles McCarthy Edward Francis McCarthy James McCormack David McCormack John Joseph McDonald James McDonnell John McDonnell William Robert McDowell Daniel McGowan David McGrath John McGrath Thomas McGrath William McGrath Patrick McKenna Patrick McKernan John McMahon Patrick Joseph McNaughton George Miller Peter Miller Thomas Joseph Miller Robert Scott Minchin George Moonan George Alexander Moonan John Moore Samuel Moore William Joseph Moran William Patrick Moran Charles Morgan John G Morrissey James Matthew Moten Jerry Moylan Thomas Mullallly John Mullins John Munroe Francis H Murphy Francis Henry Murphy James Patrick Michael Murphy Patrick Murphy Patrick George Murphy Patrick J Murphy Patrick Jack Murphy Thomas Murphy William Murphy Jack Howard Murray

>Phineas HUNT, a young lad, the son of Mr. Hunt, a protestant gentleman >of furtune, of Cappag...was impelled by a system of terror, to be >sworn, and to join the United Irishmen, in the month of February, >1798.... I'm hoping that someone can help me out with this entry.? Perhaps Peter Langley will know the answer.? I have a Phineas Hunt, who married an Elizabeth Langley in 1814, and am wondering if this is the same Phineas Hunt of the above entry.? Elizabeth was the daughter of a Going woman.? The family and descendants are part of that overall Protestant database I have been working on for about 10 years now....... Cindy Wood

Thanks for those Janet, you have managed to turn up three of my relations! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Misc surnames and dates I > > Phineas HUNT, a young lad, the son of Mr. Hunt, a protestant gentleman > of furtune, of Cappag...was impelled by a system of terror, to be > sworn, and to join the United Irishmen, in the month of February, > 1798.... > > >

>From Novels and Novelists from Elizabeth to Victoria http://books.google.ie/books?id=bc1_9GZ5nQEC&pg=PA151&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1 Marguerite Countess of Blessington Marguerite Gardiner, Countess of Blessington, was one of the six children of a certain Edmund POWER, Esq. of Knockbrit, in the county of Tipperary, and afterwards of Clonmel. With the great pretensions to gentle descent which are usually found in Irishmen of no very illustrious origin, with a handsome exterior, debauched morals, and brutal tastes, this gentleman [Power] was a type of county Irishism in the last century [1700's]. He fought duels, drank, gambled, defamed the character of his neighbors, behaved with coarseness to his wife and with cruelty to his children, even tried his hand at murder-and eventually after a long career of sin and infamy closed an old age of ignominious dependence without evincing one sign of penitence. There was a completeness in the blackguardism of this scamp, which renders it highly dramatic and interesting. As a young man he was "the buck" of all Tipperary, and wherever he went, from hall to cabin, his fine figure and swagger, white cravats, super-abundant frills and ruffles, leather breeches, and top boots, excited enthusiastic applause, and gained him the honourable titles of "beau Power" and "Shiver the frills." He married the daughter of the judicially murdered Edmund SHEEHY, and after the first illusions of love had vanished, he used to employ his muscular arm in administering correction to that poor lady, and during the infliction of the punishment would painfully remind her that she was the daughter of a convicted rebel. As his small estate at Knockbrit gave him a few hundreds per year, like a spirited Irish gentleman. More on the delightful Mr. Power and the April, 1807 murder of a Lonergan boy at the addy above. Really interesting. Janet

>From a Tour Through Ireland by Bowden 1791 http://books.google.ie/books?id=FhYHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA158&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1 I slept one night at the inn of Cahir, which is, I will venture to say, one of the best in Ireland - Kept by a Mr. Murphy... Tipperary is a poor but populous town - a cotton manufactury here, much in the Manchester way, is carried on with some spirit by Mr. Clement Sadlier. There is also a Mr. Hoops here, who carries on business tolerably extensive. For all you Sadlier people, the book Facts, Failures and Frauds http://books.google.ie/books?id=bHlLMGSQp2wC&pg=PA633&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA631,M1 Has much about the Tipperary Bank failure More in the Irish Jurist, here http://books.google.ie/books?id=OrwtAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA2-PA293&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1 and in the Banker's Magazine and Journal of the Money Market, here http://books.google.ie/books?id=6o8EAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA4&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1 Information on the holdings of Charles Sadlier of Castletown [Doon] d. 1756, and his son, Thomas, with information going back well into the mid-1700's in Sadlier vs. Biggs http://books.google.ie/books?id=oy8wAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA75&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA75,M1 Janet

Information about Anne O'BRIEN, residing at Clonmel Workhouse in the county of Tipperary, who saith on oath that she is the mother of an illegitimate child called or known by the name of John RYAN, and that the child was born at Cashel on or about the 2nd day of May 1862, and that one James Ryan of Cashel is the father of such child, and that within 10 months previous to the birth of such child she was residing at Cashel as a servant to Michael HAYES. http://books.google.ie/books?id=u7ouAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA68&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA68,M1 NOTE: This is from a sample affidavit and I am not sure if the names and facts on this one are real or not. These were heard in the Petty Sessions. A Bill filed June, 1781 that mentions George HICKS, Francis Hickes, his grandfather (1708) for the lands of Cloonora in the barony of "Slaverdagh". Also mentions Phanuel COOKE of Clonellen d. 1733, his son, John; Otway, Cooke's brother-in-law. John Hickes sons, Lewis, Francis and George. William Cooke. Much history of the various owners of the land. http://books.google.ie/books?id=8b4uAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA17&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA17,M1 ...Stephen RICE...by indenture bearing the date 7th day of january 1748 did demise unto Samuel HUGHES, deceased, the town and lands of Ballynahow..for the lives of Samuel Hughes, Mary Hughes, otherwise English, his wife, and of Edward Dawson, of Moynard [Monard]... http://books.google.ie/books?id=snMDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA127&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA127,M1 Mentions Lower Dovea, Cooper Crawford, O'Neil, John O'Meara, sub-tenant, Dwyer, Trant Janet

These from The Dublin University Magazine: Recorded in the Gazette: Nov. 13, 1837 - On the evening of the 26th (October) the fair day of Golden, in the county of Tipperary, James CURRY, an inhabitant of that village, was violently assulted near his dwelling, by two men, from the effects of which he died on the 8th, in the infirmary of Cashel Nov. 6th -Sub-Constable Eugene SHEA was knocked down in the streets of Mullinahone, in the county of Tipperary, and his skull was fractured, on the night of the 22nd (October), by a man with a stone, from the effects of which Shea, after lingering, has since died - Dublin Gazette. Also here a long report of the murder of Denis MURPHY on the lands of Foxfort, near Bansha, as reported by the Tipperary Constitution: http://books.google.ie/books?id=44U32KAK1LcC&pg=RA1-PA759&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1 Nov 12 - On Sunday night, another armed party came to the house of a respectable farmer named HONAN of Ballyhurst, within two miles of Tipperary (Town), and beat the inmates in a most savage manner. The family consisted of the father, and six or seven sons, so that the attacking party must have been tolerably numerous. The old man has since died from the effects of the injuries he received. On Tuesday night, the 14th instant, John MANNIX, of Kerryman, was brutally murdered on the lands of Ballykisteen, near Tipperary. He was a man who sold cows on time, and was, when murdered, going through the county collecting debts due to him for cows sold last year. Long piece on a lawsuit from 1848 mentioning James ORCHARD of Killenaule, Denis TYNE of Crohill and Patrick O'DONNELL of Ballingarry at http://books.google.ie/books?id=G3MDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA362&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA362,M1 A long piece on Tipperary evictions here: http://books.google.ie/books?id=rLMCAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA2-PA522&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PRA2-PA522,M1 >From Notes of a Short Tour Through the Midland Counties of Ireland: 1836 The town of Tipperary has a weary length of mud suburb, which, at the time of our passing through, had poured its contents into the main street. At least 100 men, in frieze, and many of them ragged, were standing about. "Is it market-day here?" I somewhat thoughtlessly asked the landlady, as we were changing horses. "Oh no", she answered, "the streets are generally as full at this time; they are men who can get nothing to do." Is this not enough to account for all the turbulence for which Tipperary is famous? Landlords in Ireland are naturally unwilling to believe the unpleasant truth, that the country is disturbed because the laborers are in misery, and I have heard some allege the case of Tipperary in proof of this.... In the parish of Tipperary there are above 600 laborers, and not more than 200 have constant employment. The food of those who get work is potatoes, to which they sometimes add sour milk in the summer, and a herring in the winter. When out of work they live in misery, beg and perhaps steal. More here: http://books.google.ie/books?id=hUYEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA272&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA272,M1 >From the Anti-Jacobin Review and Magazine: http://books.google.ie/books?id=0jMCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA242&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1 All on the trial of Fr. Nicholas SHEEHY- The information of David Landregin [LONERGAN], of the county of Tipperary, farmer, sworn before John Hewetson, Esq., a magistrate of said county, on the 15th March, 1767.... The information of Thomas RAWLEY, of the county of Tipperary, farmer... The information of James FARREL, of Rehill, in the county of Tipperary... Some information on the White Boys Janet

I played around in Google Books today and found a few interesting things. I would suggest you look at any links soon before the books go away, however, Google Books is currently down, so.... HERE ARE BITS AND PIECES: Memoirs of the Different rebellions in Ireland Phineas HUNT, a young lad, the son of Mr. Hunt, a protestant gentleman of furtune, of Cappag...was impelled by a system of terror, to be sworn, and to join the United Irishmen, in the month of February, 1798.... Philip CAHILL, of Kilduff...swore an information before George BENNETT, Esq., a magistrate thereof, dated the 18th of February, 1798... Richard MURPHY of Killenaule...swore an information before Oliver LATHAM...dated the 22nd of February, 1798... Michael HOGAN of Newport, swore before William ANDERSON, a magistrate, dated the 12th of March, 1798, that on the first of said month, he was invited by Daniel REDDY, into his house to drink, and in the course of conversation, he offerred him fifty Guineas if he would murder Robert LLOYD, and Francis QUINN, esquires; and informed him, that, in the course of a few nights, the United men would put Mt. WALLER, of Castle Waller, and Mr. Anderson of Foxhall to death; and he showed him the plan of a pike to which he was to get fifty made by a blacksmith. Oliver BROWN, of Booaree, swore an information before George Bennett dated the 18th of April, 1798, that on the first of March, 1798, a number of people, about four hundred, assembled on the hill of Tullough, where they formed themselves into ranks, under officers and serjeants; that James KEARY and Daniel COLLISON acted as officers, and that the said party, marched three abreast into the village of Templetooky. John MAHER, of Ballingarry, swore before William Despard, on the 8th of May, 1798, that on the 29th of April, Denis MAHER, of Grathagh, gave him a written paper... In 1774...Mr. Ambrose POWER of Barrett's-town...was murdered in his own house by a band of assassins The Warrant was as follows:- "County of Tipperary, to wit--By the Worshipful the justices of the peace at the general quarter sessions of the peace, held at Thurles, in and for the County of Tipperary, the 20th day of October, 1844. "Whereas James Meade NESBITT, late of Barrisokane, in the county of Tipperary, stands indicted in the Peace Office of the county of Tipperary for a rescue, at the prosecution of Martin CORBAN and John MORGAN, and also for a riot, for which he has not received his trial; these are therefore, in her Majesty's name, strictly to charge and command the police of the county of Tipperary forthwith to apprehend the said James Meade Nesbitt...signed byJohn Ponsonby Pretter, Clerk. More here: http://books.google.ie/books?id=VlUDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA367&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA367,M1 More coming Janet

Janet, mo chara (agus mo maistreas) Thanks very much for these nuggets. The last item has information on the trial of Father Nicholas Sheehy and Ned Meehan. My fellow Meehan researcher noticed it first and directed my attention to it. I am thrilled. Thank you soooo much! Go raibh maith agat! Ted, do chara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Misc. surnames and dates II > These from The Dublin University Magazine: > Recorded in the Gazette: > Nov. 13, 1837 - On the evening of the 26th (October) the fair day of > Golden, in the county of Tipperary, James CURRY, an inhabitant of that > village, was violently assulted near his dwelling, by two men, from > the effects of which he died on the 8th, in the infirmary of Cashel > > > Nov. 6th -Sub-Constable Eugene SHEA was knocked down in the streets of > Mullinahone, in the county of Tipperary, and his skull was fractured, > on the night of the 22nd (October), by a man with a stone, from the > effects of which Shea, after lingering, has since died - Dublin > Gazette. > > > Also here a long report of the murder of Denis MURPHY on the lands of > Foxfort, near Bansha, as reported by the Tipperary Constitution: > > http://books.google.ie/books?id=44U32KAK1LcC&pg=RA1-PA759&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1 > > Nov 12 - On Sunday night, another armed party came to the house of a > respectable farmer named HONAN of Ballyhurst, within two miles of > Tipperary (Town), and beat the inmates in a most savage manner. The > family consisted of the father, and six or seven sons, so that the > attacking party must have been tolerably numerous. The old man has > since died from the effects of the injuries he received. > > On Tuesday night, the 14th instant, John MANNIX, of Kerryman, was > brutally murdered on the lands of Ballykisteen, near Tipperary. He was > a man who sold cows on time, and was, when murdered, going through the > county collecting debts due to him for cows sold last year. > > > Long piece on a lawsuit from 1848 mentioning James ORCHARD of > Killenaule, Denis TYNE of Crohill and Patrick O'DONNELL of Ballingarry > at > > http://books.google.ie/books?id=G3MDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA362&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA362,M1 > > > A long piece on Tipperary evictions here: > > http://books.google.ie/books?id=rLMCAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA2-PA522&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PRA2-PA522,M1 > >>From Notes of a Short Tour Through the Midland Counties of Ireland: > > 1836 > > The town of Tipperary has a weary length of mud suburb, which, at the > time of our passing through, had poured its contents into the main > street. At least 100 men, in frieze, and many of them ragged, were > standing about. "Is it market-day here?" I somewhat thoughtlessly > asked the landlady, as we were changing horses. "Oh no", she answered, > "the streets are generally as full at this time; they are men who can > get nothing to do." Is this not enough to account for all the > turbulence for which Tipperary is famous? Landlords in Ireland are > naturally unwilling to believe the unpleasant truth, that the country > is disturbed because the laborers are in misery, and I have heard some > allege the case of Tipperary in proof of this.... > In the parish of Tipperary there are above 600 laborers, and not more > than 200 have constant employment. The food of those who get work is > potatoes, to which they sometimes add sour milk in the summer, and a > herring in the winter. When out of work they live in misery, beg and > perhaps steal. > > More here: > http://books.google.ie/books?id=hUYEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA272&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA272,M1 > > >>From the Anti-Jacobin Review and Magazine: > > http://books.google.ie/books?id=0jMCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA242&dq=Tipperary&lr=&as_brr=1 > > All on the trial of Fr. Nicholas SHEEHY- > > The information of David Landregin [LONERGAN], of the county of > Tipperary, farmer, sworn before John Hewetson, Esq., a magistrate of > said county, on the 15th March, 1767.... > > The information of Thomas RAWLEY, of the county of Tipperary, farmer... > > The information of James FARREL, of Rehill, in the county of Tipperary... > > Some information on the White Boys > > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Was it common for the Irish to go to Manchester, England to earn money for their passage to America? In the 1881 Salford, Lancashire census , my great granfather John Flanagan,b 1863, Tipperary, blacksmith, seems to be listed. He seems to be in NYC in the mid 1880s and then in Cleveland, Ohio. Thanks. Tim

Tim, Lancashire, particularly the city of Liverpool, contained a large number of Irish. During the famine and subsequent years, Irish poured into the city looking for work. If my memory serves me well, I think about that time the Irish constituted about 25% of the city's population. My GGF and his brothers left Tipperary and went to work in Liverpool about 1850, spent 15 years there before emigrating to the USA in 1867. Phil Buckley

Tim, It was very common for Irishmen to go to England for employment. Ellie TIM DRAKE <stanthonys3@verizon.net> wrote: Was it common for the Irish to go to Manchester, England to earn money for their passage to America? In the 1881 Salford, Lancashire census , my great granfather John Flanagan,b 1863, Tipperary, blacksmith, seems to be listed. He seems to be in NYC in the mid 1880s and then in Cleveland, Ohio. Thanks. Tim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

George Guest of Newtown Tipperary a farmer and Catherine Mortished, Gurtnaghie Parish Ballyneclough Parish of same County- a spinster Marriage licence grant- 22/1/1825 - By Rev John Read- Security by John Mortished Sorry I forgot to say before they are from Killalow Court Books NLI 1776-1845

Hello Laurie, Thank you for this information. In the transcript of the Trial of Daniel and Elizabeth Macginnis at the Old Bailey, only Elizabeth's profession is mentioned, that of a Green Stall Keeper at Cloth Fair. If only they had mentioned Daniel's profession, this could have answered all our questions about Daniel aka Thomas. The Trial:- http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18170115-59-defend423&div=t18170115-59#highlight I am hoping that SKS can assist regarding what County the Macginnis family may have come from. Do some family names stay in the one place and where they come from in Ireland is easy to have a guess at? Also, is it a safe assumption on our part to think that Daniel Macginnis and his family came from Ireland? I was a bit sceptical about Elizabeth, however she is Catholic as the children are. Also, with the ages of young Thomas born 13th Feb 1813 (from his headstone) and Elizabeth born 1813 and with their parents in 1816 being 40 and 42, you would think they may have had older children, maybe back in Ireland? A very high brickwall I know, and probably little chance of it ever being knocked down. Elizabeth Mcginnis never married after she obtain her freedom in Old Sydney Town, she lived until she saw her two children Thomas and Elizabeth marry in 1832, and not long after she died. She was buried in the Devonshire Street Cemetery, where Sydney's Central Station stands today, and on her headstone her children had inscribed, "...a wife and a mother..:. She was a remarkable woman, and her story on the voyage to Port Jackson and also in the Colony is a very, very interesting one. Though it appears she has taken the place of her birth to her grave. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney Australia Regards, Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Thompson" <lt030329@bigpond.net.au> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Doughty and Macginnis (Mcguiness) > Janice . A lot of Tipperary men and families went to london that time span > if the were in the building trade because london was having a building > spree . They would also require labourers . also they joined the British > army and could have been transferred to london . I have examples in both > categories . Laurie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janice Doughty > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:15 AM > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] The Doughty and Macginnis (Mcguiness) > > > Good morning Janet and Listers, > > Back in 1985 we received an invitation from the O'Dochartaigh Association > to > attend a very "large" Dougherty (and all different spellings of the name) > family get together in Donegal/Derry. Sadly, we were unable to make it, > as > we still had all the children at home with us, and too many commitments > and > last but not least, no spare cash to make the trip. > > So far my husband's Doughtys have been traced back to Terrington St > Clements > and Walpole St. Peter, in Norfolk England. We have been able to reach > back > to Robert Doughty marrying Alice Gathercole in 1807 in the church in > Terrington St Clements, and stop there. Between 1872 and 1880 five > Doughty > brothers sailed from Portsea to make their life Down Under, one Robert > John > Doughty and his wife, who was his first cousin Hannah Doughty, were my > husband's g grandparents. > > However, we can go further back in history and find two Doughty brothers, > Thomas and John who were close friends of Sir Francis Drake, serving with > him on an expedition when five ships sailed from Plymouth in 1577. One > of > the objects of the voyage was to discover the legendary continent of > "Terra > Australis Incognita", (as we know that failed and it would be another 203 > years before Captain James Cook met the challenge and discovered "The > Great > South Land"). Things started to go wrong on the voyage, and Drake > charged > Thomas Doughty with treason and mutiny. Drake had Thomas arrested and > set > up a Court of Law, Thomas was found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to > death. > He was beheaded and his brother John had to witness his brother's > execution. > So the mystery is, does the name Doughty have an Irish connection or not? > > We do also have another Irish mystery to solve, again connected to my > husband's paternal side of the family. He has three convict ggg > grandparents > transported to the Penal Colony of Port Jackson (Sydney). One Elizabeth > Macginnis of Middle Street London near Cloth Fair, must have been Irish, > as > was her husband or we believe they were, however we have no way to prove > it. > > Here is the story, Elizabeth 42 was tried at the Old Bailey in 1816 with > her > husband Daniel Macginnis 40. Daniel was acquitted, however Elizabeth was > found guilty of receiving a roll of stolen clothe in 1816 and sentenced > to > transportation for 14 years. She was taken to Newgate prison to await > the > ship that would transport her. However, before she sailed her husband > Daniel > died, and her two children Thomas 6 and Elizabeth 4 were sent to Newgate > prison to be with thier mother. The family sailed on the female convict > ship "Friendship" and arrived in Sydney Cove in Jan 1818. > > Elizabeth gave their religion as protestant. However, on the 1828 Census > held in the Colony, Thomas now 18, has his own Merchant Store on the > corner > of Castlereagh and King Streets in Old Sydney Town and with him was his > ex > convict mother Elizabeth 53, his sister Elizabeth 15 and three Government > Servants (convicts). Now here is the interesting bit, the three Mcguness > (the name no longer spelt Macginnis) family members give their religion > as > ROMAN CATHOLIC. The story goes, that Protestant convicts had a better > time > of it, than those who were Catholic, and a worse time if they were Irish > Catholic. We believe Elizabeth lied about her faith, to make things > better > for herself and her children, when details were taken from her for the > Indent. Our search now, it to try and find Daniel and Elizabeth (nee > ????) > roots in Ireland and was it usual for Irish immigrants to make their way > to > London to find work? > > Regards, > Janice > Belrose-Sydney > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > > > > Janice, please pass on to your husband that he will be looking for > > Doherty/Dougherty when he gets over here. That gets mangled, too. Can > > you tell us about them, too, please? > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Janice Doughty > > <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, > >> > > SNIP > > I am looking forward to visiting Ireland > >> to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes > to > >> research his Doughty connections. > >> > >> Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map > of > >> Ireland out. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Janice > >> Belrose - Sydney > >> Australia > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> > >> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > >> > >> > >>> Hi Janet & Janice, > >>> > >>> There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread > >>> over > >>> the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes > (Ardfinnan, > >>> Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three > >>> sections > >>> as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch > >>> ordnance > >>> survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half > way > >>> between Caher and Ardfinnan. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Seamus. > >>> > >>> Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. > >>> Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. > >>> somoore@iol.ie > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: > 30/04/2008 6:10 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janice . A lot of Tipperary men and families went to london that time span if the were in the building trade because london was having a building spree . They would also require labourers . also they joined the British army and could have been transferred to london . I have examples in both categories . Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: Janice Doughty To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] The Doughty and Macginnis (Mcguiness) Good morning Janet and Listers, Back in 1985 we received an invitation from the O'Dochartaigh Association to attend a very "large" Dougherty (and all different spellings of the name) family get together in Donegal/Derry. Sadly, we were unable to make it, as we still had all the children at home with us, and too many commitments and last but not least, no spare cash to make the trip. So far my husband's Doughtys have been traced back to Terrington St Clements and Walpole St. Peter, in Norfolk England. We have been able to reach back to Robert Doughty marrying Alice Gathercole in 1807 in the church in Terrington St Clements, and stop there. Between 1872 and 1880 five Doughty brothers sailed from Portsea to make their life Down Under, one Robert John Doughty and his wife, who was his first cousin Hannah Doughty, were my husband's g grandparents. However, we can go further back in history and find two Doughty brothers, Thomas and John who were close friends of Sir Francis Drake, serving with him on an expedition when five ships sailed from Plymouth in 1577. One of the objects of the voyage was to discover the legendary continent of "Terra Australis Incognita", (as we know that failed and it would be another 203 years before Captain James Cook met the challenge and discovered "The Great South Land"). Things started to go wrong on the voyage, and Drake charged Thomas Doughty with treason and mutiny. Drake had Thomas arrested and set up a Court of Law, Thomas was found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to death. He was beheaded and his brother John had to witness his brother's execution. So the mystery is, does the name Doughty have an Irish connection or not? We do also have another Irish mystery to solve, again connected to my husband's paternal side of the family. He has three convict ggg grandparents transported to the Penal Colony of Port Jackson (Sydney). One Elizabeth Macginnis of Middle Street London near Cloth Fair, must have been Irish, as was her husband or we believe they were, however we have no way to prove it. Here is the story, Elizabeth 42 was tried at the Old Bailey in 1816 with her husband Daniel Macginnis 40. Daniel was acquitted, however Elizabeth was found guilty of receiving a roll of stolen clothe in 1816 and sentenced to transportation for 14 years. She was taken to Newgate prison to await the ship that would transport her. However, before she sailed her husband Daniel died, and her two children Thomas 6 and Elizabeth 4 were sent to Newgate prison to be with thier mother. The family sailed on the female convict ship "Friendship" and arrived in Sydney Cove in Jan 1818. Elizabeth gave their religion as protestant. However, on the 1828 Census held in the Colony, Thomas now 18, has his own Merchant Store on the corner of Castlereagh and King Streets in Old Sydney Town and with him was his ex convict mother Elizabeth 53, his sister Elizabeth 15 and three Government Servants (convicts). Now here is the interesting bit, the three Mcguness (the name no longer spelt Macginnis) family members give their religion as ROMAN CATHOLIC. The story goes, that Protestant convicts had a better time of it, than those who were Catholic, and a worse time if they were Irish Catholic. We believe Elizabeth lied about her faith, to make things better for herself and her children, when details were taken from her for the Indent. Our search now, it to try and find Daniel and Elizabeth (nee ????) roots in Ireland and was it usual for Irish immigrants to make their way to London to find work? Regards, Janice Belrose-Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > Janice, please pass on to your husband that he will be looking for > Doherty/Dougherty when he gets over here. That gets mangled, too. Can > you tell us about them, too, please? > > Janet > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Janice Doughty > <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, >> > SNIP > I am looking forward to visiting Ireland >> to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes to >> research his Doughty connections. >> >> Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map of >> Ireland out. >> >> Regards, >> Janice >> Belrose - Sydney >> Australia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> >> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story >> >> >>> Hi Janet & Janice, >>> >>> There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread >>> over >>> the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes (Ardfinnan, >>> Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three >>> sections >>> as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch >>> ordnance >>> survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half way >>> between Caher and Ardfinnan. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Seamus. >>> >>> Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. >>> Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. >>> somoore@iol.ie >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Good morning Janet and Listers, Back in 1985 we received an invitation from the O'Dochartaigh Association to attend a very "large" Dougherty (and all different spellings of the name) family get together in Donegal/Derry. Sadly, we were unable to make it, as we still had all the children at home with us, and too many commitments and last but not least, no spare cash to make the trip. So far my husband's Doughtys have been traced back to Terrington St Clements and Walpole St. Peter, in Norfolk England. We have been able to reach back to Robert Doughty marrying Alice Gathercole in 1807 in the church in Terrington St Clements, and stop there. Between 1872 and 1880 five Doughty brothers sailed from Portsea to make their life Down Under, one Robert John Doughty and his wife, who was his first cousin Hannah Doughty, were my husband's g grandparents. However, we can go further back in history and find two Doughty brothers, Thomas and John who were close friends of Sir Francis Drake, serving with him on an expedition when five ships sailed from Plymouth in 1577. One of the objects of the voyage was to discover the legendary continent of "Terra Australis Incognita", (as we know that failed and it would be another 203 years before Captain James Cook met the challenge and discovered "The Great South Land"). Things started to go wrong on the voyage, and Drake charged Thomas Doughty with treason and mutiny. Drake had Thomas arrested and set up a Court of Law, Thomas was found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to death. He was beheaded and his brother John had to witness his brother's execution. So the mystery is, does the name Doughty have an Irish connection or not? We do also have another Irish mystery to solve, again connected to my husband's paternal side of the family. He has three convict ggg grandparents transported to the Penal Colony of Port Jackson (Sydney). One Elizabeth Macginnis of Middle Street London near Cloth Fair, must have been Irish, as was her husband or we believe they were, however we have no way to prove it. Here is the story, Elizabeth 42 was tried at the Old Bailey in 1816 with her husband Daniel Macginnis 40. Daniel was acquitted, however Elizabeth was found guilty of receiving a roll of stolen clothe in 1816 and sentenced to transportation for 14 years. She was taken to Newgate prison to await the ship that would transport her. However, before she sailed her husband Daniel died, and her two children Thomas 6 and Elizabeth 4 were sent to Newgate prison to be with thier mother. The family sailed on the female convict ship "Friendship" and arrived in Sydney Cove in Jan 1818. Elizabeth gave their religion as protestant. However, on the 1828 Census held in the Colony, Thomas now 18, has his own Merchant Store on the corner of Castlereagh and King Streets in Old Sydney Town and with him was his ex convict mother Elizabeth 53, his sister Elizabeth 15 and three Government Servants (convicts). Now here is the interesting bit, the three Mcguness (the name no longer spelt Macginnis) family members give their religion as ROMAN CATHOLIC. The story goes, that Protestant convicts had a better time of it, than those who were Catholic, and a worse time if they were Irish Catholic. We believe Elizabeth lied about her faith, to make things better for herself and her children, when details were taken from her for the Indent. Our search now, it to try and find Daniel and Elizabeth (nee ????) roots in Ireland and was it usual for Irish immigrants to make their way to London to find work? Regards, Janice Belrose-Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > Janice, please pass on to your husband that he will be looking for > Doherty/Dougherty when he gets over here. That gets mangled, too. Can > you tell us about them, too, please? > > Janet > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Janice Doughty > <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, >> > SNIP > I am looking forward to visiting Ireland >> to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes to >> research his Doughty connections. >> >> Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map of >> Ireland out. >> >> Regards, >> Janice >> Belrose - Sydney >> Australia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> >> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story >> >> >>> Hi Janet & Janice, >>> >>> There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread >>> over >>> the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes (Ardfinnan, >>> Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three >>> sections >>> as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch >>> ordnance >>> survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half way >>> between Caher and Ardfinnan. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Seamus. >>> >>> Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. >>> Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. >>> somoore@iol.ie >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >