Janet: brilliant, grand and all of the other adjectives used in Ireland. Carmen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Lattin/Cullen Baptism Index - Part 84 & Final > 1880 cont'd > > > Joanna of William Barragry & Ellen Brien [Longstone] > Robert of Thomas Bradshaw & Anne Bradshaw [Cullen] > Ellen of John Tierney & Mary Cummins [Cullen] > Joanna of John Leahy & Mary Burns [Glenbane] > Margaret of John Finnan & Margaret Power [Lattin] > Patrick of Patrick Quirke & Ellen Crowe [B. sough] > Mary of William Hanly & Mary Riordan [Ballycohy] > Margaret of Matthew Hogan & Joanna Breasil [Ardavillane] > Catherine of John Looby/Luby & Mary Lahy [Shronell] > Michael of Patrick O Neill & Joanna Cunningham [Lattin] > James of Jer Lacy & Mary Deere [Glenbane] > Catherine of Thomas Burns & Margaret Hayes [Glenbane] > Bridget of John Ryan & Mary Joy/Joyce [Ballinulty] > Patrick of James Greene & Margaret Hogan [Killea] > Margaret of Michael Birrane & Mary Dwyer [Milltown] > Catherine of Frank Hayes & Alice O'Brien [Glenbane] > Mary of Patrick Franklin & Joanna Brien [Longstone] > Michael of Thomas Gorman & Honora Meehan [Cullen] > Margaret of John Ryan & Sarah Batters [Longstone] > Joanna of Joseph Cleary & Margaret Rafferty [Rathduff] > William of John Hourigan & Elizabeth Barragry [Ballinglanna] > John of John Conway & Kate Cormack [Ballinahow] > Ellen* of FNU & Bridget Keefe [Longstone] > Sarah of John O'Donnell and Fanny McCarthy [Rathkea] > Michael of Michael Connell and Margaret Connors [Mooresfort] > Bridget of James Nash and Julia O'Brien [Shronell] > Joanna of Denis Whelan and Margaret Whelan [Longstone] > Michael of John Danaher and Margaret Cronin [Farranacliff] > Margaret of Timothy Heffernan and Catherine Dwyer [Shronell] > Joanna of Thomas Nihill/Neill and Joanna Ryan [Boherduff] > Edmund of John Croagh/Crowe and Margaret Trihy [Ballycohy] > Michael of Thomas Burke and Honora Coughlin [Collegetown] > Bridget of Michael O'Neill and Margaret Quinn [Shrough] > Anastasia of William Kiely and Anastasia Croagh/Crowe [Cullen] > John of John Darcy & Catherine Casey [KilPatrick] > John of Jer Meagher/Maher & Mary Hogan [Lattin] > Michael Joseph of Michael Butler & Mary Humphries [Shronell] > Catherine of Michael O'Donnell & Mary Mulcahy [Killea] > William of Michael Daly & Margaret McCormack [Balinulty] > Martin of James Quinn & Mary Sullivan [Shronell] > Denis of Patrick Ryan & Catherine Humphries [Longstone] > Edmund of William Condon & Bridget Gleeson [Rathmoyle] > Michael of Timothy Danaher & Joanna Gavin [B.sough] > Timothy of William Cleary & Ellen Hanley [Lattin] > Bridget of Patrick Riordan & Mary Grady [Milltown] > Ellen of Luke? Hally & Mary Fitzgerald [Lattin] > Patrick of John Mulcahy & Mary Cosgrove [Rathea] > Patrick of John Conway & Margaret Darmody > Mary of Patrick Buckley & Mary Condon [Ballinard] > > 1880 end & Fini > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I came across an email from 2000 that has a great suggestion before one does research at NLI in Dublin John Grenham's book Tracing Your Irish Ancestors , has the NLI film numbers for the Tipperary parishes in the diocese of Cashel%Emily. He lists every parish,gives the dates and the records begins,gives the NLI film numbers and the LDS film numbers. Also he has great maps. I used his suggestion when we were at the NLI in 2001 and received and extra bonus which was having Richard sitting next to me as we viewing the film for Newport,cty Tipperary Happy hunting Diane W
Camen, If I get a chance I'll look at see what surname similar to Cohy/Cooney might also be found there. Doesn't help a lot with modern stuff but does with the ancient history, a lot. I have my hands full at the moment with a garden overgrown with grass. We have had perfect weather for growing grass. Darn! Janet On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Carmen DiGiacomo <tippfado@verizon.net> wrote: > Janet, there is a Ballycohy townland in the parish of Kilfenora, Co. Clare > also. Don't know if that info helps but with your in depth knowledge it may. > > Carmen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:32 PM > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Lattin/Cullen message > > >> Hi all, I intend to do 1880 next and unless someone has an urgent wish >> for the rest of the 1880's, I will stop with that one. Or you can >> contact me directly for information on entries past 1880. >> I have tried to note name problems and have tried to standardize the >> spelling as much as I could to aid searching. Perhaps someday someone >> will have the time to put this on a spreadsheet as that would pick up >> more errors made either on the register itself or in the >> transcription, and other matters. I made occasional notes as to name >> variations/guesses throughout the transcription, but did not go back >> and amend what I had already sent. >> I had a discussion with a neighbor today as to the surname connected >> to Ballycohy, and my guess is that the surname that resulted over time >> may well have been "Cooney" in this area. There is a Cooney surname in >> other areas of Ireland that would not be connected. It's either that >> or the surname "Cohy" died out. >> When I have time, I will try to post some general information on the >> more commonly found surnames of this parish. >> >> Janet >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Janet Many thanks to you for all the work you do. The generosity of you and others on this group is amazing. Thank you Moira On 16 Jun 2008, at 19:32, Janet Crawford wrote: > When I have time, I will try to post some general information on the > more commonly found surnames of this parish.
Hi all, I intend to do 1880 next and unless someone has an urgent wish for the rest of the 1880's, I will stop with that one. Or you can contact me directly for information on entries past 1880. I have tried to note name problems and have tried to standardize the spelling as much as I could to aid searching. Perhaps someday someone will have the time to put this on a spreadsheet as that would pick up more errors made either on the register itself or in the transcription, and other matters. I made occasional notes as to name variations/guesses throughout the transcription, but did not go back and amend what I had already sent. I had a discussion with a neighbor today as to the surname connected to Ballycohy, and my guess is that the surname that resulted over time may well have been "Cooney" in this area. There is a Cooney surname in other areas of Ireland that would not be connected. It's either that or the surname "Cohy" died out. When I have time, I will try to post some general information on the more commonly found surnames of this parish. Janet
1879 cont'd Margaret of Owen/Eugene Keefe & Bridget Bircary/Barragry [see 1876] [Ballyrobin] Elly/Ally/Ailbe of Patrick Russell & Bridget Carmody [Milltown] Thomas of William Condon & Anne Dwyer [Longstone] John of David O Connell & May Guerin [Glenbane] Cornelius of Edmund Hanley & Bridget Maher [Barronstown] Thomas of George Cleary & Elizabeth Hogan [Cullen] Daniel of Cornelius Moloney & Bridget Keefe [Glenbane] Mortimer of William Connell & Mary Dwyer (see 23/2/76) [Rathkeen] Margaret of Patrick English & Margaret McCormack [Glenbane] Mary* of William Maher & [? Ryan?] [Glenbane & Cullen] William of Patrick Riordan & Bridget Dwyer [Barronstown] Mary of Patrick Horan & Catherine Gorman [Ballinulty] Michael of James Hammersley & Mary A. McCarthy [Lattin] John of James Keating & Mary Dwyer [Bruis] Elizabeth of John Harty/Harding & Mary Flemming [Ballinulty] James of Richard Power & Bridget Burns [Glenbane] Thomas of John Burke & Margaret Hourigan [Mooresfort] Michael of William Hourigan & Bridget Hayes [Ballinulty] Hanora of Patrick Ryan & Kate Humphries [Longstone] Mary of William Power & Mary Butler [Ardvillane] Joanna of William Merrigan & Joanna Quirke [Ballinahow] Joanna of James Fahy & Kate Dunne [Glenbane] John of Patrick Harty/Harding & Elizabeth McCormack [Ballinulty] Patrick of Gerald Fitzgerald & Ellen Ryan [Ballinglanna] Ger of Ger McCarthy & Margaret Trihy [see 1876] [Barronstown] William of Timothy Dwyer & Margaret Heffernan [Ballinard] Patrick of Patrick Hogan & Bridget Rafferty [Ardvillane] Patrick of Henry O'Brien & Ellen Elligot [Balllinahow] Ellen of Peter Treacey & Mary Moloney [Longstone] Mary of Timothy Dunne & Bridget Barlow [Glenbane] Patrick of Patrick Moloney & Catherine Ryan [Shronell] Bridget of Edmund Keating & Bridget Humphries [see 1876] [Cullen] Ellen of Edmund Gleeson & Mary Shea [Lattin] Matthew of Timothy Donovan & Margaret Ryan [Cullen] Denis of John Barragry & Mary O'Brien [Ballinard] Laurence of Robert Casey & Emily McGrath [Glenbane] Catherine of Patrick Donohue & Ellen Noonan [Shrough] John of Richard Merrick & Bridget Lacy [Ballinulty] John of John Ryan & Bridget Moloney [Longstone] Myles of Denis Ryan-Quinlan? & Mary Ryan [Cullen] Michael of William Condon & Marianne Quirke [Rathmoyle] 1879 end
1879 Michael of John Butler and Sarah Ryan [B.sough/Shrough?] Thomas of Terence Lacy and Mary Power? [Glenbane] Elizabeth of Stephen Hogan and Ellen Sullivan [Rathkea] William of William Cleary and Ellen Hanley [Lattin] David of John Conway and Margaret Dunne [Milltown] Joanna of William Carroll and Mary O'Brien [Rathkea] John of John Morrissey and Kate Cranley [Barronstown] William of John Casey and Alice Kiely (see 24/9/76) [Killea] Mary of John Mulcahy and Mary Carrigan/Corrigan [Rathkea] Thomas of Edmund Finnan and Joanna Furlong [Ardvillane?] Cornelius of Jeremiah Sullivan and Bridget Cormack [Bruis] Bridget Of William Kirby and Mary Kirby [Cullen] John of Edmund Looby/Luby and Mary McGrath [Deerpark] Richard of John Croagh/Crowe and Kate Kiely [Cullen] Michael of John Croagh/Crowe and Margaret Trihy [BallyCohy] Patrick of Edmund Dwyer and Anastasia Kiely (See 14/3/77) [Collegetown] Timothy of Timothy Crotty and Elizabeth Hanley [Deerpark] Catherine of Edmund Fitzgerald and Bridget Maher [Lattin] Mary of John Finnan and Margaret Power [Lattin] Richard of Thomas Power and Mary Flynn [Rathkea] Edmund of Joseph Cleary and Margaret Rafferty [Cullen] Mary Of Thomas Bradshaw and Anne Bradshaw [married Feb 23] [Cullen] Daniel of Michael Greene and Ellen Murphy [Cullen] Catherine of Thomas Quinlan and Catherine Dwyer [Ballinard] Morgan of Thomas Leahy and Mary O'Brien [Rathkea] Patrick of John Greene and Bridget Crawford [Ballycohy] Michael of Luke Hally and Mary Fitzgerald [Lattin] Patrick of Denis McCarthy and Mary McGrath (see 22/1/76) [Lattin] Edmund of Thomas Keane and Mary Whelan [Shrough] John of David Leahy and Margaret McGrath [Rathkea] James of John Fleming and Joanna Barkeley/Barkley [Glenbane] Bridget of Thomas Gleeson and Mary Looby/Luby [Shronell] Thomas of Jeremiah O'Neill and Margaret Quinlan [Shronell] John of John Dwyer and Joanna Crowe [Glenbane] Bridget of Thomas McGrath and May Purcell [Cullen] John of Michael Hogan and Joanna Breen/Brien ( See 29/5/76) [Kilcornan] To be cont'd
1878 cont'd Edmund of Thomas Kirwin/Frewen? and Marianne Walsh [Barronstown] William of John Humphries and Margaret McGrath [Kilcornan] James of Thomas Burke and Honora Coughlan [Knockordan] [In the following entry, the father is William Finnan; in other entries it may be shown as William Kinnane in error] Ellen of William Finnan and Mary Kinnane [Rathkea] Edmund of James Fahy and Catherine Dunne [Glenbane] Michael of John O'Donnell and Fanny McCarthy [Rathkea] Michael of Michael Hayes and Joanna Kinnane? [Shronell] Bridget of Patrick Keily and Mary Woods [Rathkea] James of Patrick English and Margaret McCormack [Glenbane] Honora of John Russell and Joanna Crowe [Glenbane] James of Michael Butler and Mary Humphries [Shronell] Margaret Teresa of Daniel Noonan and Sarah Wall [Longstone] Arthur of Timothy Dunne and Bridget Barlow [Glenbane] William of Timothy Begley and Maria Power [Glenbane] Margaret of Pat Delaney and Bridget O'Donnell [Ballynahow] Michael of William Butler and Bridget Mahoney [B. Shrough?] Timothy of John Looby/Luby and Mary Leahy [Shronell] John of John Finnan and Alice Ryan [Cullen] Bridget Teresa of Jeremiah Maher and Mary Hogan [Lattin] William of Timothy Donovan and Margaret Ryan [Cullen] Margaret of Timothy Danaher and Joanna Gavin [B. Shrough?] Catherine of Daniel Neill and Ellen Dunne [Lattin] Mary of James Ryan and Elizabeth Day [Longstone] Edmund of John Fleming and Alicia Slattery [Cullen] Mary of Timothy Dwyer and Mary Hogan [Toor] John of John Ryan and Joanna Hogan [Kilcornan] Jeremiah of Timothy Heffernan and Catherine Dwyer [Shronell] Margaret of Robert Casey and Amy McGrath [Glenbane] Honora of John Conway and Catherine Cormack [Ballynahow] Mary Angela of Michael Ryan & Alice Ryan[Mooresfort] Mary of Michael McGrath and Mary Coffey [Lattin] Catherine of John Finnan and Bridget Leamy [Collegetown] Bridget of Edmund Darmody and Mary Griffin [Cullen] Michael of Kennedy Toomey and Ellen Looby/Luby [Ballycohy] David of Denis Whelan and Margaret Healy [Longstone] Mary of Owen/Eugene Callaghan and Mary Burke [Lattin] Catherine of John Ryan and Anne Dwyer [Toor] David of Michael Lundon/Lonergan and Mary Fleming [Cullen] Patrick Stephen of William Connell and Ellen Flynn [Glenbane] Ellen of John Lahy and Mary Burns [Glenbane] 1878 end
1878 cont'd Julia of Christopher Russell and Honora Hogan [Glenbane] John of Denis Ryan and Winifred Herrin? [Lattin] Mary of James Nash and Julia Brien [Shronell] Joanna of Patrick Burns and Joanna Danaher [Rathkea] Catherine of James Greene and Margaret Hogan [Killea] Anne of James O'Donnell and Ellen Corbett [Shronell] Mary of Matthew Hardy/Harding and Ellen Ryan [Ballynulty] Joanna of William Hanley and Mary Riordan [Ballycohy] Daniel of James Quinn and Mary Sullivan [Shronell] Julia of John Lillis and Julia Barragry [Longstone] Edmund of Thomas Burns and Margaret Hayes [Glenbane] Edmund of Joseph Cleary and Margaret Rafferty [Rathduff] Andrew of John Hayes and Catherine Gleeson [B. shrough?] Matthew of Michael Greene and Ellen Murphy [Cullen] Patrick of David O'Connell and Mary Guerin [Glenbane] Mary of William Condon and Mary Anne Quirke [Rathmoyle] Honara of Patrick Franklin and Joanna Brien [Longstone] Bridget of Thomas Leahy and Honora Looley/Looby?/Gilhooly? [Shronell] Bridget of Denis O'Donnell and Bridget Dwyer [Kilcornan] Mary of Thomas Gorman and Hanora Meehan [Cullen] Honora of Matthew Hogan and Joanna Breasil [Ardvillane] John of James Power and Margaret Hammersley [Mooresfort] Johanna of Timothy Carroll and Catherine O'Brien [Rathkea] Timothy of Patrick Donohoe and Ellen Noonan [Shrough] John of Patrick Downey and Alice Cosgrave [Ballyconry?] Mary of Michael Murphy and Ellen Horan [Cullen] Kate of Christopher Russell and Bridget Dillion [Glenbane] Mary of Thomas Nihill/Neill and Joanna Ryan [Boherduff] Bridget of Timothy Dwyer and Margaret Heffernan [Ballinard] Patrick of John Barlow and Joanna Ford [Shrough] John of Henry O'Brien and Ellen Elligot [Ballynahow] Michael and Catherine of John Ryan and Bridget Ryan [twins] [Longstone] Michael of John Hogan and Bridget Meehan [Glenbane] James of Patrick Dwyer and Bridget Heffernan [Shronell] To be cont'd
1878 William of John Finnan and Margaret Power [Lattin] Joanna of Thomas Dwyer and Joanna Coppey/Copley? [Killea] Catherine of John Morrissey and Catherine Cranley [Barronstown] Michael of Michael Birrane and Mary Dwyer [Milltown] Patrick of Luke Hally and Mary Fitzgerald [Lattin] Patrick of Michael O'Donnell and Mary Mulcahy [Killea] Catherine of John Maher and Alice Looby/Luby [Ballycohy] John of Matthew Maher and Ellen Heffernan [Glenbane] Honora of John Fleming and Joanna Bartley/Barkley? [Glenbane] Michael of William O'Brien and Ellen Burke [Longstone] Michael of Timothy Murnane and Ellen Ryan [Longstone] Daniel of Patrick Hogan and Bridget Rafferty [Ardvillane] Richard of Richard Power and Bridget Burns [Glenbane] Bridget of Timothy Heffernan and Mary Heffernan [Ballycohy] Ellen of John Ryan and Bridget Moloney [Longstone] Margaret of Jeremiah Looby/Luby and Mary Toomey [Shronell] James of Patrick Moloney and Kate Ryan [Shronell] David of John Moloney and Grace O'Neill [Ballynahow] Joseph of William Callaghan and Mary Cormack [Rathkea] Elizabeth of Patrick Crowe and Margaret Ryan [Ardvillane] Ellen of Thomas Sheehan and Kate Ryan [Ballyrobin ?] Richard Benjamin of Constable James Hoare and Bridget Fitzgerald [Glenbane] To be cont'd
Janet, there is a Ballycohy townland in the parish of Kilfenora, Co. Clare also. Don't know if that info helps but with your in depth knowledge it may. Carmen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Lattin/Cullen message > Hi all, I intend to do 1880 next and unless someone has an urgent wish > for the rest of the 1880's, I will stop with that one. Or you can > contact me directly for information on entries past 1880. > I have tried to note name problems and have tried to standardize the > spelling as much as I could to aid searching. Perhaps someday someone > will have the time to put this on a spreadsheet as that would pick up > more errors made either on the register itself or in the > transcription, and other matters. I made occasional notes as to name > variations/guesses throughout the transcription, but did not go back > and amend what I had already sent. > I had a discussion with a neighbor today as to the surname connected > to Ballycohy, and my guess is that the surname that resulted over time > may well have been "Cooney" in this area. There is a Cooney surname in > other areas of Ireland that would not be connected. It's either that > or the surname "Cohy" died out. > When I have time, I will try to post some general information on the > more commonly found surnames of this parish. > > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks for your reply Dianne Catherine Hogan DOB circa 1834 in Tipperary, Ireland parents were Thomas Hogan and Margaret Ryan. I don't have any other information at this time. Regards Lynne Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Diane Perkins <nv_cracker@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Catherine Hogan DOB circa 1834 in Tipperary, Ireland To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <615987.37470.qm@web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HI Lynne, Can you give more information on your Catherine Hogan...father, mother's name and a smaller geographic area than just Tipperary? Have a Margaret Jane Hogan in my tree father XXXX Hogand and mother Mary Smith of Tipperary. Also believe that she had a sister Jennifer. Best wishes on your hunt ... Diane Perkins --- On Sat, 6/14/08, Lynne Barnard <dale2@iprimus.com.au> wrote: From: Lynne Barnard <dale2@iprimus.com.au> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Catherine Hogan DOB circa 1834 in Tipperary, Ireland To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 9:20 PM Hi Listers This is the first time I have posted to this list as I only joined yesterday, but reading through today's email I have noted many references to the surname Hogan. Catherine Hogan DOB circa 1834 in Tipperary, Ireland is the reason I have joined this list as I would love any information I can gather on Catherine. All I know is she married an Antonio Vienna 22nd July 1856 in Geelong, Victoria Australia. So far I haven't even been able to work out how she got to Australia, so as you can see I need guidance!! Regards Lynne Victoria Australia
Hi Listers This is the first time I have posted to this list as I only joined yesterday, but reading through today's email I have noted many references to the surname Hogan. Catherine Hogan DOB circa 1834 in Tipperary, Ireland is the reason I have joined this list as I would love any information I can gather on Catherine. All I know is she married an Antonio Vienna 22nd July 1856 in Geelong, Victoria Australia. So far I haven't even been able to work out how she got to Australia, so as you can see I need guidance!! Regards Lynne Victoria Australia
Although it is the Archbishop being berated it is his priests that I am defending as they hold the registers not the Archbishop. I dont often wade into these debates on certain matters, but having spent a lot of time in Ireland, and having grown to know many Priests and I am talking RC, and being who I am, I am not afraid to ask the question why was some registers locked and others open, ( without having to get permission to view them at the NLI) I might add it was no bother to get the permission to view these records at any time, that I have approached the person in charge. Even at his church, and I have been left alone with registers, I am not one of those persons who cuts pages out of these registers and takes the whole lot, for others not to be able to see what was there in the records ( and yes this did happen and in this era not a past era) There reasons may seem tardy to some, but I have never had a Priest ask me for a fee to view his registers, now I may be out of line here, but I am finding, the reference to them viewing me as a Protestant or a Mormon, quite fankly as off putting, I have never been treated like this by any of he clergymen I have dealt with, but with one exception and that was at a RC Church in Wicklow, when I discovered that a safe held ALL not some of the registers for that area, I asked to many questions, and found this out, the Records held there are of the Rathdrum Workhouse and it was purely snobbery of living ancestors that kept those registers closed, and the reason this priest became agitated was, in fact, the fact that I challenged his right to hide the ancestors in a safe, we are not responsible for the persons who died in sad circumstances, we do not condem is what I said. but it got me short shifted from the Church. But I find the reasons are stale now for what ever reason the *registers were locked* why take the time to go rake over cold ashes, when the registers are now available, I think that the present reason in Ireland about Identity theft is more worrying than being blessed by some other churches religion. I have always maintained that the records in these registers, belong to the ancestors, they were paid for to be recorded by the church so I also believe they should not be sold back to the ancestors of today, in fact if I could have my way, all records would be freely available to all, just as Janet is sharing now with her hard work, compiled over the years. But I object to being *viewed as a Protestant or Mormon* and I am stating here I have never come across that in all my times of dealing with cranky Parish Priests, even the old dear at Rathdrum, didnt view me as a Protestant or a Mormon, after all he couldnt he didnt know what religion I was it was never discussed. Cara Toole
On 6/15/08, Lynne <dale2@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Thanks for your reply Dianne > > > > Catherine Hogan DOB circa 1834 in Tipperary, Ireland parents were Thomas > Hogan and Margaret Ryan. I don't have any other information at this time. > > > > Regards > > Lynne Lynne, The material I am posting right now is from a parish where the records only survive from 1846 on. There are both Hogan's and Ryan's in this parish, but there are also the same surnames in many other parishes. The least expensive and quickest way to see if you can pick them up is to use Tipperary Family History Research (TFHR) in the |Excel center in Tipperary Town and you can do this through their website. Ask for a "single record search" (inexpensive) for the baptism of Catherine, with those parents. If they can't pin them down, then you will have a lot of research to do in both Australia and Ireland. One of you next steps would be to read through the Archives of this list as there is much available there to help you. The archives can be accessed through the CoTipperary subscription page where you joined the list. There is also a second list - IRL-Tipperary - that will also have information. Pat Connors and Christina Hunt also maintain websites for Tipperary data and you will find the addys in the archives of both lists. Please don't hesitate to ask questions as you go along as the list is a very friendly one. Janet
Hi Cara, I see that you, as many have in the past, misunderstood my explanation of one of the possible reasons for the "closed" records in Ireland. First I said some Catholic authorities held these viewpoints, I did not say that all nor most. I too have had esperience with clergy who did not want unknowns to view "their" records and after a bit of discussion and probing, they admitted that the records were not "destroyed, burnt, lost", but that they did not want "outsiders" to see them. As I posted, in other coutries like Mexico and Spain, they admit that to them, a genealogist is a mormon and they won't even respond to your inquiry. I am simply stating that this way of thinking by the catholic church (as a whole) could be a reason for the "cranky priests" and "closed records". I have done extensive research on this subject and I'm not just stating this without input from many other researchers on Irish/Spanish/Mexican/Catholic lists. Some Catholic authorities are not going to admit they are descriminating against "protestants". So they use other methods and terms. I would state that the mere fact thet you were denied access to the records after the priest admitted he had the records in his safe indicated he viewed you as someone not worthy to see them, an "outsider", or perhaps a "non-Catholic"? These are the terms they have used on others. Dan Hogan --- Cara_Links <cracker@hotkey.net.au> wrote: > Although it is the Archbishop being berated it is > his priests that I am > defending as they hold the registers not the > Archbishop. > > I dont often wade into these debates on certain > matters, but having spent a > lot of time in Ireland, and having grown to know > many Priests and I am > talking RC, and being who I am, I am not afraid to > ask the question why was > some registers locked and others open, ( without > having to get permission to > view them at the NLI) I might add it was no bother > to get the permission to > view these records at any time, that I have > approached the person in charge. > Even at his church, and I have been left alone with > registers, I am not one > of those persons who cuts pages out of these > registers and takes the whole > lot, for others not to be able to see what was there > in the records ( and > yes this did happen and in this era not a past era) > > There reasons may seem tardy to some, but I have > never had a Priest ask me > for a fee to view his registers, now I may be out of > line here, but I am > finding, the reference to them viewing me as a > Protestant or a Mormon, quite > fankly as off putting, I have never been treated > like this by any of he > clergymen I have dealt with, but with one exception > and that was at a RC > Church in Wicklow, when I discovered that a safe > held ALL not some of the > registers for that area, I asked to many questions, > and found this out, the > Records held there are of the Rathdrum Workhouse and > it was purely snobbery > of living ancestors that kept those registers > closed, and the reason this > priest became agitated was, in fact, the fact that I > challenged his right to > hide the ancestors in a safe, we are not responsible > for the persons who > died in sad circumstances, we do not condem is what > I said. but it got me > short shifted from the Church. > > But I find the reasons are stale now for what ever > reason the *registers > were locked* why take the time to go rake over cold > ashes, when the > registers are now available, I think that the > present > reason in Ireland about Identity theft is more > worrying than being blessed > by some other churches religion. > > I have always maintained that the records in these > registers, belong to the > ancestors, they were paid for to be recorded by the > church so I also believe > they should not be sold back to the ancestors of > today, in fact if I could > have my way, all records would be freely available > to all, just as Janet is > sharing now with her hard work, compiled over the > years. > > But I object to being *viewed as a Protestant or > Mormon* and I am stating > here I have never come across that in all my times > of dealing with cranky > Parish Priests, even the old dear at Rathdrum, > didnt view me as a > Protestant or a Mormon, after all he couldnt he > didnt know what religion I > was it was never discussed. > Cara Toole Dan Hogan hogan-4@sbcglobal.net Enjoy the updated website for the Civil War Reenactment Society: www.cwrs.info !
HI Lynne, Can you give more information on your Catherine Hogan...father, mother's name and a smaller geographic area than just Tipperary? Have a Margaret Jane Hogan in my tree father XXXX Hogand and mother Mary Smith of Tipperary. Also believe that she had a sister Jennifer. Best wishes on your hunt ... Diane Perkins --- On Sat, 6/14/08, Lynne Barnard <dale2@iprimus.com.au> wrote: From: Lynne Barnard <dale2@iprimus.com.au> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Catherine Hogan DOB circa 1834 in Tipperary, Ireland To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 9:20 PM Hi Listers This is the first time I have posted to this list as I only joined yesterday, but reading through today's email I have noted many references to the surname Hogan. Catherine Hogan DOB circa 1834 in Tipperary, Ireland is the reason I have joined this list as I would love any information I can gather on Catherine. All I know is she married an Antonio Vienna 22nd July 1856 in Geelong, Victoria Australia. So far I haven't even been able to work out how she got to Australia, so as you can see I need guidance!! Regards Lynne Victoria Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
1877 cont'd John of Thomas Bradshaw and Anne Bradshaw [Cullen] Michael of John Burke and Margaret Hourigan [Mooresfort] Anne of Patrick Riordon and Bridget Dwyer [Barronstown] Patrick of John Burke and Elizabeth Fitzpatrick Edmund of Laurence Lonergan and Mary Carroll [Longstone] William of John Barlow and Mary Butler [Shrough] Michael of John McCormack and Sarah Power [A. breaga?] Mary of Edmund looby/Luby and Mary McGrath [Deer Park] Jane of William Carroll and Mary O'Brien [Rathlea] Mgargaret of Patrick Quirke and Mary Guinan? [Lattin] Mary Angela of Michael Ryan and Alice Ryan [Mooresfort] Margaret of Gerald Fitzgerald and Ellen Ryan [Ballinglanna?] John of William Barragry and Ellen O'Brien [Longstone] Michael of Thomas Ryan and Deborah Caplis Michael of Daniel O'Neill and Ellen Dunne [Lattin] John of John Danaher and Margaret Cronin [Collegeland] William of William Merrigan and Joanna Quirke [Ballinleenty] Bridget of Denis Keogh & Mary Finnan [Garryheakin] Ellen of Thomas Berry and Bridget Dwyer John of Tim Donohoe and Kate Keily [Collegeland] Joanna of Patrick Hogan and Ellen Egan [Lattin] Patrick of Patrick Hogan and Kate Gorman [Ballinulty] Martin of John Ryan and Joanna Harding [Cullen] William of Jeremiah O'Neill and Margaret Quinlan [Shronell] John of Patrick Ryan and Kate Humphries [Longstone] Margaret of John Barragry and Mary Brien [Ballinard] Philip of Denis Humphries and Margaret Dwyer [Longstone] [I have no idea what the following 2 names really are] Rosemary of Dan Bannon? & Marianne Brackoro? [Mooresfort] Edmund of William Power and Mary Butler [Glenbane] Ellen of David Burke and Honora Ryan [Glenbane] Bridget of John Greene and Bridget Crawford [Ballycohy] 1877 end
1877 cont'd Joanna of Patrick Delaney and Bridget O'Donnell [Ballynahow] Mary of Patrick Flynn and Catherine Ryan [Lattin] Kate of Michael Riordon and Anne Murphy James of David Leahy and Margaret McGrath Patrick of Denis Quinlan and Mary Ryan [Cullen] Timothy of Edmund Hanley and Bridget Maher [Barronstown] John of John Hardy/Harding and Mary Fleming Cornelius of Patrick Daly and Mary O'Brien Honora of Thomas Burke and Honora Coughlan [C. town?] Timothy of John Tierney? and Mary Commins/Cummins [Cullen] Kendal* of Kendal O'Brien and Kitty Harrigan/Hourigan [Cullen] [Kendal O'Brien married ? Clayton Golden] John* of Kendal O'Brien and Margaret Collins [Cullen] Philip of Patrick Quinn and Ellen Ryan [Ballycohy] Mary of William Connell and Ellen Flynn [Glenbane] Jane of Joseph Franklin and Mary Cormack [Longstone] John of Thomas Gleeson and Mary Looley/Luby?/Gilhooley? [Shronell] Philip of Pat Quinn and Ellen Ryan [Ballycohy] Daniel* of Daniel Walsh [Oola] and Alice Dwyer [Cullen] John? of John Butler and Sarah Ryan [Shrough] Catherine of Michael Carroll and Margaret Walsh Catherine of Peter Treacy and Mary Moloney [Longstone] Bridget of Michael Hogan and Joanna Brien [Kilcornan Elizabeth of Patrick Harty/Harding & Elizabeth Cormack [Ballinulty] Julia of James Power and Margaret Hammersley [Mooresfort] Honora of James Fahy and Catherine Dunne [Glenbane] Mary of John Leahy and Mary Burns [Glenbane] Bridget of Bart Griffin and Honora Ryan [Milltown] Bridget of John Ryan and Catherine O'Donnell [Ballycohy] Anne of Michael Maly/Malloy? and Ellen Spillane, [DeerPark] [twin] Mary of Michael Maly/Malloy? and Ellen Spillane [DeerPark] [twin] John of Philip Lonergan and Mary Hanley [Longstone] To be cont'd
1877 Anne of William Condon and Mary Anne Quirke [Rathmoyle] William of Richard Power and Bridget Burns [Glenbane] Catherine of Tim Crotty and Elizabeth Hanley [Deerpark] Timothy of John Hanrahan and Margaret Ryan William of David O'Connell and Mary Guerin [Glenbane] Patrick of James Humphries and Catherine Riordan [Cullen] William of John Dwyer and Joanna Crowe [Glenbane] Catherine of Edmund Finnan and Joanna Furlong Mary of Kennedy Toomey and Ellen Looby/Luby [Ballycohy] Margaret of John Mulcahy and Mary Corrigan?/Hourigan? [Rathkea] Cornelius of Cornelius Moloney and Bridget Keefe [Glenbane] Margaret of Michael Butler and Mary Humphries [Shronell] Michael of Timothy Heffernan and Catherine Dwyer James of Thomas Lahy and Mary O'Brien? [Rathkea] Anne of John Russell and Joanna Crowe [Glenbane] Mary of William Kinnane and Mary Kinnane [Rathkea] Jeremiah? of Patrick Keily and Mary Woods [Rathkea] Laurence of laurence Buckley and Ellen Dwyer [Lattin] Joanna of John Looby/Luby and Mary Leahy Richard of Henry O'Brien and Ellen Elligot Bridget of Edmund Dwyer and Anastasia Kiely? Patrick Joseph of Thomas Kirwin? and Mary Walsh [Barronstown] Margaret of Michael Murphy and Ellen Horan [Longstone] Mary of Robert Casey and Emily McGrath [Glenbane] Mary of Denis Ryan and Winifred Herrin? [Lattin] Mary of Jeremiah Cooney? and Honora Hogan [Shronell] Patrick of John Corboy/Kirby and Mary Dowdle [Shronell] James of Tim Dunne and Bridget Barlow [Glenbane] Mary of John Crowe and Margaret Hayes [Ballycohy] [twin] Patrick of John Crowe and Margaret Hayes [Ballycohy] [twin] Bridget of William Quinn and Catherine Connell [Shrough] Sarah of Thomas McGrath and Mary Butler [Cullen] James of Patrick Ryan and Bridget Ryan [Longstone] Catherine of Gerry Maher and Mary Hogan [Lattin] Edmund of James Stapleton and Joanna Dwyer [Poor?/Toor?] Patrick of Joseph Cleary and Margaret Rafferty [Rathduff] Michael of Thomas Nihill/Neill and Joanna Ryan [Boherduff] To be cont'd