Just a guess here, but could Clara perhaps be Clare More, a townland of about 266 acres in the civil parish of Kiltinan, Poor Law Union of Clonmel in Tipperary, South Riding? The civil parish of Kiltinan is actually split between the PLU of Clonmel and that of Cashel. Griffith's Valuation shows both a Clare More (266 acres) and a Clare Beg (73 acres). I have noticed that it is common in Catholic parish registers to drop the More when referring to the larger townland of a More/Beg pair. This happens in Tipperary N.R. with Dromard More and Dromard Beg in the civil parish of Killavinoge and in neighboring County Laois with Grange More and Grange Beg in Aghaboe parish. So maybe people would have said Clara in this case, which could sound like Clare. If you google "Richard Pennefather" Clonmel and select the result titled "The Gentleman's Magazine - Google Books Result 1849", you will find an article about the death of a Richard Pennefather who was one of the guardians of the Clonmel Union. He was also a high sheriff of County Tipperary in 1840 [see http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Galway/1840/NOV.html]. His estate was at Kilteevan, in the civil parish of Newchapel, which is quite close to Kiltinan. There were many other men named Richard Pennefather, so this might not be the right one, but it seems to make sense in this situation. The surnames Wall and Meagher appear on the Tithe applotments for Kiltinan Civil parish online at http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/KiltinanTithes.htm . Maher/Meagher is a very common name in Tipperary, so it will be more difficult to pinpoint without the more unusual Wall. My husband has Walls associated with his Barry family (along the Limerick-Cork border, near Charleville) and I have Mahers in my lineage - my ggg-gmother was Bridget Maher (wife of Edward Harrold), from along the Tipperary-Laois border Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon MForman wrote: > Having received some great assistance a while ago from members of the list > regarding my O'Brien family from Ballywire I am hoping I may have similar > good fortune concerning some of my wife's ancestors. > > William Charles WALL arrived in NSW in 1841 on the ship Forth together with > his wife Mary. William was described very briefly on the passenger list as > 25 years old, a farm labourer, native of Clonmell, Tipperary, and the son of > John and Elinor WALL, postmaster. His wife Mary was aged 23 at the time, a > farm servant and also a native of Clonmell, and her parents were listed as > Thomas and Mary MAHER. The person certifying that they were of good > character was Richard Pennefather, but there is no indication of his rank or > profession, and he is completely unknown to me. Both William and Mary were > Catholics. There is no mention in the document whether or not their four > parents were alive in 1841. If the ages stated were correct William was born > about 1816 and Mary about 1818. > > William and Mary had two sons before they sailed to Australia in 1841. These > did not accompany their parents but were left in Ireland until 1848 when > they arrived in NSW on the ship Sir Edward Parry. The passenger list does > not indicate that they were travelling with anyone in particular as the > names are found in a separate list of single males with ages ranging from 8 > to 29 and no-one else was listed as coming from the same place. The two > children were John Wall aged 10 and Thomas Wall aged 8, both Catholic and > both from Clara, Tipperary. Whoever wrote the passenger list would have come > top of the class in writing, and the place given in the document (as > distinct from whatever the children may have said) was clearly written Clara > Tipperary, not Clare nor Cahir, both appearing in the list for other people. > Just to confuse things, when John Wall died in 1918 his death certificate > stated that he came from County Clare, Ireland. > > The only other information I have comes from the death certificates of > William and Mary. These tell me that William's parents were John WALL and > Ellen ENGLISH, and Mary's parents were Thomas MAHER and Mary WALLACE. If the > ages given in the certificates are accurate, William Wall was born in 1814 > and Mary in 1820, and they were married in about 1836 when Mary was 16 years > old. While there is some discrepancy in the ages compared with the ship's > list, both records and the ages of the two children point to a marriage in > the latter part of the 1830s. Unfortunately the death certificates are not > specific about the location of the births of William or Mary nor the > marriage, stating only that all three events occurred in Ireland. > > I think I have three questions about all of this: > - Does any-one have any knowledge of this family group? > - What records are available which may help me to find out more about them > in Ireland and where should I look to find these records? > - Can anyone pinpoint the location of Clara, Tipperary, or, if such a place > does not exist, hazard a guess as to another Clara nearby or some other name > in the locality which may have been heard as Clara by the person who wrote > the passenger list? It may be that the young boys were living with relatives > until they were thought to be old enough to follow their parents to NSW. > > Marshall Forman > Adelaide > South Australia

1859 James Manning & Anne Cunningham Eugene/Owen Sullivan & Ellen Hayes Patrick Moore & Catherine Lahy William Toomey & Honora Hackett James Keating & Ellen Cleary Thomas Sullivan & Margaret Commons/Cummins James Scott & Margaret Lonergan There is a gap here between between February, 1859 and November, 1859 that may or may not have had marriages. The last entry below in the November entry; however, there is a similar pattern here in 1860, so perhaps nothing is really missing. There is a change of priests in this period. Patrick Power & Mary Ryan 1860 The new handwriting gets progressively worse, so the names could be iffy. John Woodlock of Drangan & Alice Lonergan of Rathdrum Patrick Fennessy? & Mary Shea of Coleman [The above couple has a child - maybe - in 1860, but no name is given. It may have been the marriage entry entered in the wrong place; he is from "Dunhill"/Donohill?] James Hackett & Kate Heffernan Richard Conroy (or Carroll) of Dolla & Mary Tobin of Lafally - [There are no children in this parish for this couple to verify his name] Daniel Fleming & Judy Dwyer of Clerihan, Edmond Bates & Honora Ryan, both of Clerihan James Ryan & Mary Ryan both of Coleman John Cahill & Nancy Scanlan "This is her third husband in less than no time." Tom Butler & Biddy Keefe of Lafally: disp. 3° & 3° …. [This couple was married in November, but I suspect it was a remarriage after the dispensation, as their first child is born the following January] 1861 Thomas Hill Lucas, 6th Regt., & Susan Hamerton of Orchardstown Richard Prendergast & Margaret Walsh of Chancellorstown Denis Hickey & Ally/Alice Waters, Ballyheameen/Ballyheen?/Ballyhimikin? William Looby/Luby & Susan Hogan alias Sadlier, Newchapel [Probably Susan's second marriage] Tom Maher & Judy Grady of Mocklerstown William Tobin & Biddy Bates of Ballyhimkeen/Ballyhimikin: Michael Hiffernan of Ballyduagh & Alice Larkin of Ballycurnane James Harty/Harding of Coleman & Ellen Rourke or Burke of Coleman - [I can't find a baptism to check her name] Michael Ryan & Ally/Alice?/Ellen? Rourke (or Bourke) of Coleman Tom Casey? & Judy Maxey Of Coleman - [No children to check names] 1862 Edw. McEncroe?/Crowe? & Margaret Bates of Clerihan -[No children to check name] James Fleming & Margaret Fleming of Newchapel William Brohan & Johanna Hanley of Clerihan John Carty/Carthy & Biddy Mulcahy of Clerihan William Barrett & Biddy Flannery of Clerihan James Waters/Watters & Mary Anne Hickey of Rathdrum Thomas Crawford & Catherine Dumphy/Dunphy Richard Griffin & Kate Slattery of Coleman James Mara/Meara & Kate Slattery of Coleman 1863 Dick Cantwell & Norry Commons/Cummins of Clerihan Thomas Hurley & Nellie Burn of orchardstown Patrick Meany & Biddy Macken of Knockeeven John Fennessy & Mary Burke of Coleman Tom Kennedy & Mary Mason of Clerihan Patrick Callaghan & Kitty Hanley of Clerihan Thomas Ryan & Biddy Morris/Morrissey of Lafally Ned Delaney & Mary Kennedy of Clerihan Bill Quinn & Mary Tuohy of Rathdrum

1870 Richard Sullivan & Margaret Sheehy John Burke & Mary Scanlon/Scanlan Michael Hanrahan/Hanrihan & Catherine O'Donnell alias Ahern [So her second marriage] Michael Phelan & Honora Slattery 1871 Patrick Slattery & Bridget Mulcahy John Dohenty/Delehunty//Doherty? & Mary Connors Michael Keefe & Honora Barrett Patrick Whelan & Mary Sullivan Thomas Barrett & Margaret Breen/Brien Patrick Morrissey & Ellen Baites/Bates Michael Meagher/Maher & Mary Jenkins 1872 Patrick Lonergan & Mary Carew/Carey Patrick Dwyer & Mary Perkins 1873 David Lonergan & Anne Cantwell Cornelius Lonergan & Johanna Keefe Thomas Slattery & Mary Waters/Watters 1874 James Casey & Mary Meagher/Maher Thomas Murphy & Mary Duggin/Duggan Thomas Cleary & Mary Fleming William Ahern & Johanna Rourke James Costigan & Margaret Moore John Lonergan & Ellen Howard 1875 Maurice Dwan & Bridget Cashin Patrick Whelan & Margaret Daniel Edmond Whelan & Margaret Hahasy -[I have no idea what her surname might really be - Hussey?] 1876 Michael Meagher/Maher & Mary Phelan William Lonergan & Mary Dwyer Patrick Donnell & Catherine Quirke Patrick Norris & Catherine Sullivan John Kehoe/Keogh & Ellen Sullivan 1877 William Brien & Bridget Duggin/Duggan Edmund Toomey & Mary Anne Larkin William Quinlan & Bridget Lonergan James Leary & Alice Lambert Walter Keating & Mary Hayde/Hyde?/Hide?/Hayden? Laurence Butler & Alice Meagher/Maher James Kennedy & Bridget Breen/Brien Stephen Cleary & Margaret Hogan of Ballincor 1878 Thomas Kenefick & Malvina Hammerton of Orchardstown Edmond Gorman & Bridget Prendergast Michael Brien & Maergaret Lonergan William Crotty & Catherine Lonergan Edmond Cranley & Mary Luddy Edmond Cummins & Catherine Heffernan of Mocklerstown James Cantwell & Cath Quinlan 1879 Andrew Toomey & Bridget Tobin Thomas Nugent & Mary Lonergan Edmond Hickey & Elizabeth Cormack Patrick Lahy & Anastasia Lahy[?] 1880 Richard Griffith & Bridget Ryan [Disp 3x3 consang] John Mulcahy & Mary Richardson John Flannery & Honora Coffey alias Flannery - so her 2nd marriage John Cooney & Mary Keefe 1881 Richard Coughlin & Catherine Richardson John Slattery & Mary Burke 1882 Thomas Bates & Bridget Lyons John Hayes?/Keyes? & Mary Conway William Lonergan & Johanna Hogan

1864 Ned/Edmund Walsh & Judy Morrissey of Coleman. Martin Ryan & Biddy/Bridget Fleming of Chancellorstown William Daniel & Anne Tobin of Clerihan Patrick English & Judy Tobin of Clerihan Richard Fennessy & Margaret Keating of Clerihan John Fleming & Norry/Honora Jinks of Chancellorstown - [This couple has a child/children before marriage] John Duggan & Margaret Duggan of Mocklerstown 1865 Michael Ahearn & Anne Brohan of Clerihan - [Brohan could be a form of Brien?] Thomas Daniel & Margaret Fahy of Mocklerstown Stephen Fleming & Kitty/Catherine Hennebry of Chancellorstown James Heffernan & Mary Tobin of Clerihan. John Halloran & Catherine Nagle of Chancellorstown John Kirwan? & Catherine Reddy? of Clerihan -[They have no children in this parish to verify the surnames; the name Reddy Delahunty does show up here in this parish as a sponsor] William Cronin & Ally/Alice?/Ellen? Burke of Clerihan 1866 Cornelius Dwyer & Catherine Morris of Lafally Patrick Heffernan & Ellen Slattery of Chancellorstown Maurice Flynn/Flinn & Ally/Alice?/Ellen? Burke of Newchapel Thomas Quigley & Judy/Judith Moroney? of Clerihan Michael Burke & Mary Hayes? or Lonergan of Clerihan Patrick Nolan & Kitty Ryan of Lafally Michael Sullivan & Mary Slattery Stephen Marsh? & Johanna Keefe of Barona? William Daniel & Anty/Anastasia White of Clerihan John Hyland & Mary Carey John Aylward & Mary Flynn/Flinn 1867 James Keating & Norry/Honora Cleary? of Ballyhemeen/Ballyhimikin? Martin Keily? & Judy Sullivan of Graigue Patrick Dwyer & Mary Heffernan Chancellorstown Cornelius Ryan & Margaret Keating of Chancellorstown James Walsh & Julia Larkin of Ballycornane 1868 Tom Lyons & Judy/Judith Cashen of Chancellorstown John Waters & Margaret Toomey? of Clerihan James Daniel & Biddy/Bridget Tobin of Clerihan Edmund Neill & Anastasia Lonergan of Graigue Patkick Rourke of Rahaniska/Rahaniskey & Mary Broderick of Fourmilewater William Mara/Meara & Mary Britain of Coleman Peter Connors & Judy/Judith Darcy of Coleman David Connors & Anne Costigan of Clerihan 1869 Patrick Murphy & Mary Guinane of Coleman Michael Quinlan & Catherine Cuddahy/Cuddihy John Keefe & Margaret Smyth/Smith John Bourke & Mary Lyons John Hayden & Ellen Lonergan John Reidy?/Reddy & Mary Noonan Thomas Wilkinson & Catherine Lonergan Thomas Conlis?/Connors? & Margaret O'Donnell Michael Ryan & Mary Rourke

NOTE: Clerihan parish contains an EXTRAORDINARY number of transient people and unique entries. I wuld't be surprised to find some of these people later in other parts of Tipp, or Limerick, or Clare, or anywhere else in Ireland for that matter. 1859 James Manning & Anne Cunningham Eugene/Owen Sullivan & Ellen Hayes Patrick Moore & Catherine Lahy William Toomey & Honora Hackett James Keating & Ellen Cleary Thomas Sullivan & Margaret Commons/Cummins James Scott & Margaret Lonergan There is a gap here between between February, 1859 and November, 1859 that may or may not have had marriages. The last entry below in the November entry; however, there is a similar pattern here in 1860, so perhaps nothing is really missing. There is a change of priests in this period. Patrick Power & Mary Ryan 1860 The new handwriting gets progressively worse, so the names could be iffy. John Woodlock of Drangan & Alice Lonergan of Rathdrum Patrick Fennessy? & Mary Shea of Coleman [The above couple has a child - maybe - in 1860, but no name is given. It may have been the marriage entry entered in the wrong place; he is from "Dunhill"/Donohill?] James Hackett & Kate Heffernan Richard Conroy (or Carroll) of Dolla & Mary Tobin of Lafally - [There are no children in this parish for this couple to verify his name] Daniel Fleming & Judy Dwyer of Clerihan, Edmond Bates & Honora Ryan, both of Clerihan James Ryan & Mary Ryan both of Coleman John Cahill & Nancy Scanlan "This is her third husband in less than no time." Tom Butler & Biddy Keefe of Lafally: disp. 3° & 3° …. [This couple was married in November, but I suspect it was a remarriage after the dispensation, as their first child is born the following January] 1861 Thomas Hill Lucas, 6th Regt., & Susan Hamerton of Orchardstown Richard Prendergast & Margaret Walsh of Chancellorstown Denis Hickey & Ally/Alice Waters, Ballyheameen/Ballyheen?/Ballyhimikin? William Looby/Luby & Susan Hogan alias Sadlier, Newchapel [Probably Susan's second marriage] Tom Maher & Judy Grady of Mocklerstown William Tobin & Biddy Bates of Ballyhimkeen/Ballyhimikin: Michael Hiffernan of Ballyduagh & Alice Larkin of Ballycurnane James Harty/Harding of Coleman & Ellen Rourke or Burke of Coleman - [I can't find a baptism to check her name] Michael Ryan & Ally/Alice?/Ellen? Rourke (or Bourke) of Coleman Tom Casey? & Judy Maxey Of Coleman - [No children to check names]

1-5-1848 From the Tipperary Vindicator. At length, thank Heaven, Ireland is aroused. The energies of this old Irish nation are at last awakened-the ardent hopes and fond aspirations of the people are soon to be realised by the achievement of that constitutional freedom for which we have so long and so determinedly toiled. Another year must not pass before we shall have gained for Ireland a national parliament, presiding over national institutions-infusing new life and vigour into the national energies, and basing its strength on the policy of Ireland for the Irish. From a series of events, unparalleled in the history of the world, a great crisis has come upon us. To the exigencies of the hour we trust and believe Irishmen will be found equal. This is no time for the Whigs to be hypocritically prating of augmented "franchises", increased "representatives", convenient "polling booths". etc, etc,. But this is a time for Ireland to work out with a fearless and bold resolve, the entire emancipation of this, our beloved country, from the machinations by which Whiggism has beset it. To the task, then-let us set ourselves in right earnest. Amongst all the projects which have been placed before the public mind, we confess we see but one which can save the country from the imminent perils by which it is menaced. Young and enthusiastic men have adopted a policy upon which, now that we are gagged by "law", we can, of course, offer no opinion. But our "rulers" have adopted measures, which, notwithstanding the aforesaid "law", we must denounce as traitorous to the Kingdom.--We are firmly resolved to bring the present ministry, and every other ministry that will not concede the rights of Ireland, to a sense of what public opinion pronounces in their regard. No matter what courses others may adopt, we still cling to the great teachings of our departed Leader, constitutional efforts for freedom, at the same time we are thoroughly convinced that these exertions must be characterised by a steady, resolute, and unwavering determination. As the advocate of moral means alone for the attainment of our objects, we at once declare that this national council appears to our judgement as the only legal means by which this Kingdom can be raised up to the high and proud position which God and nature intended she should enjoy. To save this land from civil war-which otherwise we tremble to think is inevitable--we counsel this great national movement. The recent effort of Lord John Russell to intimidate the people by declaring, that whilst life was left him he would resist the Repeal of the Union, has for ever annihilated any hope of obtaining justice -viz., Repeal from the English parliament. To the Queen of Ireland we are about appealing- but after all the great hope of Ireland is the Irishmen themselves. Let Irishmen of all creeds, classes, and sections--Protestants, Catholic, and Presbyterian-- Young and Old Ireland---meet together, and resolve what is to be done for the salvation of our native land. Let them meet within the limits of our constitution--beyond the powers of the law, but let them meet resolved that Ireland must have her rights. Let these Irish Gentlemen meet in Dublin, or in Kilkenny, or in Limerick--not as delegates or representatives, (that might be "illegal"), but in the words of O'Connell, "merely happening to come together by accident". We are glad that the Repeal Association has taken steps for having this project carried into practical operation. We understand it can be accomplished without any violation of the law. But the mere possibility of a prosecution should be no justification for abandoning the movement. By the state trials the legality of the association was itself demonstrated, should the government attempt a prosecution they will, we feel convinced, succeed in establishing the legality of the national assembly. Here, then, is a great national effort in which all Irishmen can combine. May God prosper it.

20-4-1882 Clonmel Chronicle Evictions at Clooneyharp and Clonoulty. Special Telegram. Cashel, Wednesday. Today Gerald Fitzgerald, Es. Sub-Sheriff, County Tipperary, accompanied by Sub-Inspector Henry H. Jones, Cashel, and a large force of constabulary, a company of the 48th Regiment, Tipperary, all under the control of Albert J. Meldon, R.M. Tipperary, evicted five tenants, namely, Patrick Molony, Jeremiah Ryan, Mary Ryan, John Murphy. Michael Quirk, another tenant paid. Mary Ryan was let in again as caretaker. All the tenants lived on the property of Mr. W. Jones, Monkstown. Possession was given to William Ryan, the landlord's representative.

28-11-1856 From the Clonmel Chronicle. James Brian, who is charged with the homicide of John Fitzgerald, at Emly, on the 24th August last, was lodged by a strong escort of police, in Tipperary Bridewell on Tuesday. He escaped the vigilance of the police for the last three months, but was ultimately apprehended on Saturday night last at Ballylanders, in the County Limerick. On Saturday night last, the 22nd inst, as Mrs O'Gorman, of Kilmoyler, was on her way home from Clonmel, she was met within a mile of Caher by a party of three to four men, who attempted to stop the car upon which she was travelling. Her servant boy whipped on the horse at a smart gallop, and soon left the party at the rear, on which one of them, who was armed with a gun, immediately fired a shot after the car, but fortunately without doing any injury. On Thursday evening last, the Post Office at Bansha was entered through the window, the shutter of which had been removed by force, and some panes of glass broken. The party, on effecting an entrance, robbed the office of a several American and other letters, together with a quantity of leather and other shop goods, the property of the Post Master John Sheill. Four parties were arrested on suspicion of having committed the robbery, and one of them having turned approver, they were committed for trial at the next Quarter Sessions, to be held at Cashel.

9-9-1856 Clonmel Chronicle. On the 13th September 1854, an inquest was held before Thomas O'Meara, Esq. Coroner for the district of Tipperary, on the body of a man named Thomas Dwyer, of Refadda, who died in consequence of wounds received on the right side of the head, and which fractured his skull, on the 2nd of the same month, at Garryshane, in the south riding of this county. From the evidence adduced at the inquest, it appeared that the deceased was returning home after being paid some money, he was overtaken by two men named Thomas Dwyer, of Donaskea, and William Loughnane, alias Davern. They induced the unfortunate man to accompany them down a bye-road, and when he was next seen the men had fled, and Dwyer was found lying by the side of the road, bleeding profusely. The Coroner's jury returned as their verdict that "the deceased man received several blows of stones or other blunt instruments, of which injuries he lingered until he languished and died on Saturday, 9th Sept, 1854, and that said injuries were wilfully and maliciously inflicted by Thomas Dwyer, of Donaskea, aided and abetted by William Loughnane." As Sub-Constable John F. Noble, of the constabulary depot, Phoenix Park, and who was stationed in 1854 in the neighbourhood where the above murder was committed, was passing along the quays of Dublin he perceived a man whom he instantly recognised as the Thomas Dwyer named in the Coroner's warrant. The man was arrested, and has since been committed by Major Brownrigg, Inspector General of Prisons, to Clonmel gaol, where he now awaits his trial at the Spring assizes of 1857.

1856 Patrick Anglim of Coleman & Margaret Cummins William Lyons of Newchapel & Mary Fleming Michael Tobin & Mary Carroll John Harney & Mary Byrne/Burn Michael Lonergan of Newchapel & Catherine Fleming James Aylward & Anne Trihy James Flannery of Newchapel & Mary Rourke David Fenessey of Clerihan & Mary Aylward William Feehan of Fethard & Catherine Lahy of Coleman Thomas Keating & Mary Murray John Grady & Catherine Carroll James Grimes & Mary Kavanagh/Cavanagh Thomas Cummins of Clerihan & Margaret English Michael hanley & Catherine Dwyer Thomas Dowling & Ellen Watson John Burke of Clerihan & Bridget Hogan 1857 Thomas Daly & Margaret Butler Thomas O'Loughlin & Ellen Egan? John Naughton of Clerihan & Judith Ryan Simon Malloy of Newcastle & Alice Hennebry John Clancy & Catherine Stapleton John Scanlon of Rosegreen & Anne Trihy of Clerihan John Hennebry of Newchapel & Mary Fleming William Dwyer of Fethard & Alice Biggs of Lafally? Martin Moore & Anne Mara/Meara Richard Fitzgerald & Johanna Heffernan Patrick White of Grague & Catherine Lonergan John Keating & Brtidget Lonergan Michael Lonergan & Honora Caudy/Cawdy? Michael Wall & Bridget Murphy John McMahon & Bridget Kennedy John Leary & Emelia/Amelia Ryan Patrick Cooney & Bridget Carty/Carthy Thomas kearney of Lismore & Bridget Molloy of Newchapel James Brien of Clerihan & Margaret Trihy Patrick Dalton & Alice McGrath John Carroll of Clerihan & Bridget Tobin Daniel Cummins of Coleman & Catherine Maher John Kennedy of fethard & Bridget Hayes of Orchardstown William English of Knockgraffon & Catherine Bates of Clerihan Timothy Coffey & Catherine Connors disp 3 x 3 James Donnell & Mary Fennell James Murray & Johanna Fitzgerald Patrick Flannigan of Coleman & Catherine Dwan 1858 Michael Kelly & Bridget Woods John Bates of Coleman & Catherine Cooney Thomas Dawson & Ellem Moran Patrick Jordan of Clerihan & Bridget Barrett Denis Hayes & Mary Lucas Edmund Donnell of Grague & Mary Maxey Thomas Healy & Bridget Hare/Hoare? Philip Dwyer of Lisronagh & Mary Beston of Coleman John Bruton of Clerihan & Bridget Donnell Patrick Anderson & catherine Downey John Riordan of Marlfield? & Mary Kirby of Grague Patrick Fitzgerald of Coleman & Bridget White John McEniry/McInerney of Cahir & Johanna Flannery of Lafally John Hickey of Lafally & Ellen Connell Denis Treacy of Lafally & Mary Connell Thomas Griffin & Catherine Dargan Maurice Barrett of Coleman & Margaret Shea James Moore & Bridget Slattery

Clerihan marriages begin even later, in 1852. 1852 Patrick Hanlon of Clerihan & Ellen Walsh Jeremiah Neill & Catherine Richardson John Cuddihy of Newchapel & Honora Keating Patrick Treacy & Honora Buckley Patrick Mahoney & Bridget Hussy?/Hasy? Thomas Wiley of Clerihan & Anne Cantwell William Ryan formerly of Newchapel & Bridget Hennebry Patrick Hennebry of Newchapel & Bridget Ryan John Quirke of Coleman & Ellen Ellis 1853 Edmund Coonan? of Fethard & Judith Murphy of Coleman Patrick Scallan of Cloneen & Mary Ryan of Clerihan Michael Costigan of Cahir & Mary Bates of Clerihan William Leonard of Fethard & Ellen Mockler of Coleman Thomas Bane of Coleman & Anastasia Slattery Patrick Murphy of Coleman & Mary Devane Patrick English & Margaret Barry Edmund McGrath & Ellen Burke John O'Donnell & Ellen Delaney Thomas Donohoe & Margaret Nagle Denis Slattery of Clerihan & Catherine Slattery Thomas Cantwell & Mary Dunne Patrick Fraher of Coleman & Alice Ryan Patrick Crowe of Mullaghnoney & Margaret Dunphy Edmund Caudy? & Judith Mackin? Robert White of Carrick-on-Suir & Alice Slattery 1854 John Carroll of Newchapel & Margaret Brien Andrew Donnell of Cahir & & Anna Tobin of Clerihan Daniel Sullivan of Clerihan & Bridget Slattery Thomas Hackett of Woodrooff? & Bridget Keefe Michael Carey of Coleman & Maria Cormack John Butler of Fethard & Bridget Burke of Clerihan James Slattery of Coleman & Johanna Bishop John Corbett of Fethard & Anne Anglim of Coleman John Fogarty of Clerihan & Catherine Brien Patrick Tobin of Newchapel & Margaret Hogan Cornelius Brien of Coleman & Mary Fraher James Cuddihy of Newchapel & Mary Anne Fleming James Brien of Coleman & Ellen Donnell Peter Connelly of Fethard & Mary Slattery of Coleman James Collins & Mary Slattery Richard Halloran of Coleman & Bridget Shea John Neill of Newchapel & Mary McGrath James Meara/Mara of Clerihan & Ellen Manning Patrick Ryan of Newchapel & Anastasia Slattery Denis Flynn of Newchapel & Judith Donnell Denis Kennedy & Margaret McGrath Patrick Dover & Mary Heffernan James Hally & Mary Slingsby? 1855 Edmund Bruton/Brunton? & Catherine Blake Patrick Cormack of Coleman & Mary Slattery Edmund Walsh of Cahir & Elizabeth Mockler of Coleman John Breen/Brien of Coleman & Bridget Donnell of Clerihan James Meyers of Clonmel, boot manufacturer, & Mary Ann Larkin of Coleman John Keily of Cahir & Bridget Hayden Thomas McGrath & Alice Carthy Denis Callaghan of Milestown? & Bridget Moriarty Thomas Slattery & Mary Ryan Mathew Shortall & Honora Bates William Lahy of Cahir & Mary Grady Patrick Richardson & Margaret Flannery John Purcell & Margaret Maxey/Massey? Patrick O'Donnell of Killusty & Catherine Ahern of Clerihan Tobias Stapleton & Mary Tobin Jeremiah Ryan & Mary Dempsey James Slattery & Bridget Bates Maurice Cleary of Newchapel & Catherine Hennebry James Ryan & Ellen Bates [disp 3 x 3] James Lonergan of Clerihan & Mary Mulcahy Patrick Gooney of Clerihan & Margaret Donnell Denis Cronin of Clerihan & Ellen Larkin James Power of Clerihan & Johanna Goggin John Maher & Alice Hayes Patrick Kelleher & Margaret Power John Donnell & Judith Tobin Thomas Brien of Orchardstown & Catherine Carty?/Canty/Carthy? John Hennebry & Catherine Maher John Carty?/Canty?/Carthy? & Mary Murphy Thomas Lahy & Alice Ryan Patrick Coleman & Ellen Keefe Edmund White & Anne Murray James Downey & Mary Lafford?/Latchford? James Finn & Honora Sullivan Florence Donohoe & Ellen Casey Michael Keily & Mary Harney Thomas Keily & Mary Healy Henry Black & Sara Ryan John Delahunty & Honora Ryan Michael Ryan of Mocklerstown & Ellen Davin?/Devane? Michael Kelly & Margaret Larkin John Dwyer & Elizabeth Power Edmund Callaghan of Newchapel & Alice Doody

Carmen, There is no record of their marriage in Lattin, nor did they baptise any children in the parish. Perhaps Emly? or Tipp? Janet On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Carmen DiGiacomo <tippfado@verizon.net> wrote: > Janet, since you are stopping at 1880, I am looking for a marriage that > would have happened after that date between > > Thomas J. Dwyer & Catherine Humphries > > No later than 1883. > > Carmen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:10 AM > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Lattin/Cullen Baptism Index - Part 83 > > >> 1880 >> >> Honora of John Conway & Margaret Darmody [Milltown] >> Michael of Ger Cooney & Honora Hogan [Shronell] >> Elizabeth of Denis Kehoe & Mary Finnan [Garryheakin] >> Patrick of Patrick Burns & Johanna Donohue [Rathkea] >> Catherine of John Hogan & Bridget Meehan? [Glenbane] >> Laurence of Michael Hayes & Johanna Kinnane [Shronell] >> Patrick of Maurice Walsh & Ellen Murnane [Lattin] >> James of Pat Daly & Maria O'Brien [Milltown] >> Anne of Pat Ryan & Bridget Ryan >> Denis of John McCormack & Sarah Power [A. brega] >> Ellen of Edmund Finnan & Johanna Furlong [Ardvillane] >> Daniel of Daniel Danagher & Kate Ryan [Lattin] >> Thomas of Patrick Crowe & Margaret Ryan [Ardvillane] >> Joanna of John Barlow & Julia Ford [Shrough] >> Owen/Eugene of Owen Callaghan & Mary Burke [Lattin] >> William of John Moloney & Grace O'Neill [Ballynahow] >> Bridget of James Dwyer & Mary Horan [Toor] >> James of Thomas Lahy & Honoria Looby/Luby [Shronell] >> Patrick of John Morrissey & catherine Cranley [Barronstown] >> Winifred of John Russell & Joanna Crowe [Glenbane] >> Mary of Tim Donohue & Catherine Kielly [Farranacliff] >> Elizabeth of John Fitzgerald & Bridget Byrne >> Michael of John Humphries & Mary McGrath [Kilcornan] >> Deborah of William Kinnane? & Mary Kinnane [Rathkea] >> Ellen of Michael Murphy & Ellen Horan [Cullen] >> John of Daniel O'Neill & Ellen Dunne [Lattin] >> William of Thomas Sheehan & Catherine Ryan [Ballyrobin]] >> Mary of Patrick Kielly & Mary Woods [Rathkea] >> Alice of Patrick Delaney & Bridget O'Donnell [Ballynahow] >> Patrick of Christopher Russell & Honora Hogan [Glenbane] >> Catherine of John Butler & Sarah Ryan [B. Sough] >> Honora of Edmund Looby/Luby & Mary McGrath [Shronell] >> Jeremiah of John Ryan & Anne Dwyer [Toor] >> Honora of Christopher Russell & Bridget Dillon [Glenbane] >> Thomas of Denis Humphries & Margaret Dwyer [Longstone] >> Michael of Timothy Murnane & Ellen Ryan [Longstone] >> Thomas of James Ryan & Elizabeth Day [Longstone] >> Richard of Patrick Hanrahan & Margaret Ryan [Longstone] >> >> To be cont'd >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

--- DP & EM O Connell <oconnell@farmside.co.nz> wrote: > Not wanting to continue the recent discussion Why not. This discussion is certainly pertainent to genealogy and many on this list seem to be curious as to why the RC Chuch has been so negative about letting us see "their" records. It seems by this article that I and others who have believed this for years have been correct. This goes against the agreement by the LDS and the Vatican back in the 1980's to let the LDS film the parish registers where ever the church "owns" the records. In return, the LDS promised and delivered free copies to the vatican. But as we all know, the real power lies in the local diocese and some complied with the agreement, and others did not. The reason(s) for those that did not, one being Cashel & Emly, is the whole point of this discussion. Dan Hogan but this does look to be of some concern if the RC church could take this further and embargo all films http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm Dan Hogan hogan-4@sbcglobal.net Enjoy the updated website for the Civil War Reenactment Society: www.cwrs.info !

1880 cont'd Joanna of William Barragry & Ellen Brien [Longstone] Robert of Thomas Bradshaw & Anne Bradshaw [Cullen] Ellen of John Tierney & Mary Cummins [Cullen] Joanna of John Leahy & Mary Burns [Glenbane] Margaret of John Finnan & Margaret Power [Lattin] Patrick of Patrick Quirke & Ellen Crowe [B. sough] Mary of William Hanly & Mary Riordan [Ballycohy] Margaret of Matthew Hogan & Joanna Breasil [Ardavillane] Catherine of John Looby/Luby & Mary Lahy [Shronell] Michael of Patrick O Neill & Joanna Cunningham [Lattin] James of Jer Lacy & Mary Deere [Glenbane] Catherine of Thomas Burns & Margaret Hayes [Glenbane] Bridget of John Ryan & Mary Joy/Joyce [Ballinulty] Patrick of James Greene & Margaret Hogan [Killea] Margaret of Michael Birrane & Mary Dwyer [Milltown] Catherine of Frank Hayes & Alice O'Brien [Glenbane] Mary of Patrick Franklin & Joanna Brien [Longstone] Michael of Thomas Gorman & Honora Meehan [Cullen] Margaret of John Ryan & Sarah Batters [Longstone] Joanna of Joseph Cleary & Margaret Rafferty [Rathduff] William of John Hourigan & Elizabeth Barragry [Ballinglanna] John of John Conway & Kate Cormack [Ballinahow] Ellen* of FNU & Bridget Keefe [Longstone] Sarah of John O'Donnell and Fanny McCarthy [Rathkea] Michael of Michael Connell and Margaret Connors [Mooresfort] Bridget of James Nash and Julia O'Brien [Shronell] Joanna of Denis Whelan and Margaret Whelan [Longstone] Michael of John Danaher and Margaret Cronin [Farranacliff] Margaret of Timothy Heffernan and Catherine Dwyer [Shronell] Joanna of Thomas Nihill/Neill and Joanna Ryan [Boherduff] Edmund of John Croagh/Crowe and Margaret Trihy [Ballycohy] Michael of Thomas Burke and Honora Coughlin [Collegetown] Bridget of Michael O'Neill and Margaret Quinn [Shrough] Anastasia of William Kiely and Anastasia Croagh/Crowe [Cullen] John of John Darcy & Catherine Casey [KilPatrick] John of Jer Meagher/Maher & Mary Hogan [Lattin] Michael Joseph of Michael Butler & Mary Humphries [Shronell] Catherine of Michael O'Donnell & Mary Mulcahy [Killea] William of Michael Daly & Margaret McCormack [Balinulty] Martin of James Quinn & Mary Sullivan [Shronell] Denis of Patrick Ryan & Catherine Humphries [Longstone] Edmund of William Condon & Bridget Gleeson [Rathmoyle] Michael of Timothy Danaher & Joanna Gavin [B.sough] Timothy of William Cleary & Ellen Hanley [Lattin] Bridget of Patrick Riordan & Mary Grady [Milltown] Ellen of Luke? Hally & Mary Fitzgerald [Lattin] Patrick of John Mulcahy & Mary Cosgrove [Rathea] Patrick of John Conway & Margaret Darmody Mary of Patrick Buckley & Mary Condon [Ballinard] 1880 end & Fini

1880 Honora of John Conway & Margaret Darmody [Milltown] Michael of Ger Cooney & Honora Hogan [Shronell] Elizabeth of Denis Kehoe & Mary Finnan [Garryheakin] Patrick of Patrick Burns & Johanna Donohue [Rathkea] Catherine of John Hogan & Bridget Meehan? [Glenbane] Laurence of Michael Hayes & Johanna Kinnane [Shronell] Patrick of Maurice Walsh & Ellen Murnane [Lattin] James of Pat Daly & Maria O'Brien [Milltown] Anne of Pat Ryan & Bridget Ryan Denis of John McCormack & Sarah Power [A. brega] Ellen of Edmund Finnan & Johanna Furlong [Ardvillane] Daniel of Daniel Danagher & Kate Ryan [Lattin] Thomas of Patrick Crowe & Margaret Ryan [Ardvillane] Joanna of John Barlow & Julia Ford [Shrough] Owen/Eugene of Owen Callaghan & Mary Burke [Lattin] William of John Moloney & Grace O'Neill [Ballynahow] Bridget of James Dwyer & Mary Horan [Toor] James of Thomas Lahy & Honoria Looby/Luby [Shronell] Patrick of John Morrissey & catherine Cranley [Barronstown] Winifred of John Russell & Joanna Crowe [Glenbane] Mary of Tim Donohue & Catherine Kielly [Farranacliff] Elizabeth of John Fitzgerald & Bridget Byrne Michael of John Humphries & Mary McGrath [Kilcornan] Deborah of William Kinnane? & Mary Kinnane [Rathkea] Ellen of Michael Murphy & Ellen Horan [Cullen] John of Daniel O'Neill & Ellen Dunne [Lattin] William of Thomas Sheehan & Catherine Ryan [Ballyrobin]] Mary of Patrick Kielly & Mary Woods [Rathkea] Alice of Patrick Delaney & Bridget O'Donnell [Ballynahow] Patrick of Christopher Russell & Honora Hogan [Glenbane] Catherine of John Butler & Sarah Ryan [B. Sough] Honora of Edmund Looby/Luby & Mary McGrath [Shronell] Jeremiah of John Ryan & Anne Dwyer [Toor] Honora of Christopher Russell & Bridget Dillon [Glenbane] Thomas of Denis Humphries & Margaret Dwyer [Longstone] Michael of Timothy Murnane & Ellen Ryan [Longstone] Thomas of James Ryan & Elizabeth Day [Longstone] Richard of Patrick Hanrahan & Margaret Ryan [Longstone] To be cont'd

cotipperary@rootsweb.com wrote: < For those of you who may not know, the church records that are kept in the National Library are direct copies of the original manuscripts. That is, they are mostly written in Latin. I found the handwriting very difficult to read. I did my Cashel & Emly research, many years before the A.B. came to the position he still holds. (He came from the Kerry diocese). Because these records were photographed for microfilm many years ago, before we had the technology we have today, they are rather fuzzy. What I am saying is, it is a long and tedious task to try and read through them. Each cert. is reproduced in full. Some have comments like pauper, refering to the parents of the child. Some have illegitimate, refering to the child. Personally, I am of the opinion that the church is reluctant to let us see what some priests wrote on those certs at that time. Some of the remarks would be so un-PC today. Unless you have endless time to spend in the National Library in Dublin, I would suggest that you apply to the Excel centre in Tipperary town for the Cashel & Emly records. For North Tipperary to the Genealogical Centre in the Heritage Centre in Nenagh, Co. Tipperary. Part of Cashel & Emly is in North Tipperary. I am not trying to influence anyone, all I am saying is that if time is scarce, you would be better off paying the fees and getting the work done for you. I don't know what the delay factor is in the centres. Do your homework well in advance of coming here on holiday. There is a huge demand for this material, and there can be long delay factors. Happy searching, wishing you all good results. When you do find the area you are looking for, locate the local historians. Don't settle for one person, that way you will get a wider picture. And, lastly, do have a good time when you come to Ireland. Bee. < < < Today's Topics: < < 1. Re: Cashel & Emly Records (DP & EM O Connell) < 2. Vatican Letter Directs Bishops to Keep Parish Records from < Mormons (DP & EM O Connell) < < < ---------------------------------------------------------------------- < < Message: 1 < Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:54:36 +1200 < From: "DP & EM O Connell" <oconnell@farmside.co.nz> < Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Cashel & Emly Records < To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> < Message-ID: <015501c8d003$fa874ef0$0b05a8c0@ld1fe640bab9d4> < Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; < reply-type=original < < Too true .. but moving on ... this is tremendous news for those with < access to Dublin but for the rest of us .. where to from here? Huge thanks < to Janet for her great generosity and time involved with listing all her < Lattin/Cullen research - I'm sure there are many gold mines in those records < for some. < < Do we know whether the LDS will release the C&E / Cloyne / Kerry records on < their familysearch website? I understand they have the films already so < perhaps this is not a big jump, or do they all have to still be entered into < their computer database for on-line access? Does anyone know a time frame? < < I'm particularly interested in the Kilcommon parish in Cashel & Emly and < also I have two branches from Co Kerry so, potentially, a couple of brick < walls have come down .. just hope I can jump through them from here! < < Thanks again to Janet for all your great contributions to this list. < < Elizabeth O'Connell < New Zealand < < < ----- Original Message ----- < From: "Joker" <JoCath@upnaway.com> < To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com>; <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com>; < <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> < Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:58 PM < Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Cashel & Emly Records < < < >I think we are all becoming a bit previous with this so called "win". < > < > The "Archhbishop is Defeated" sounds like some medieval primal scream < < < < ------------------------------ < < Message: 2 < Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:03:15 +1200 < From: "DP & EM O Connell" <oconnell@farmside.co.nz> < Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Vatican Letter Directs Bishops to Keep Parish < Records from Mormons < To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> < Message-ID: <047401c8d00d$98906010$0b05a8c0@ld1fe640bab9d4> < Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; < reply-type=original < < Not wanting to continue the recent discussion but this does look to be of < some concern if the RC church could take this further and embargo all films < ... ???? < < http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm < < < < ------------------------------ < < To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to < COTIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. < < To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to COTIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. < < __________________________________________________________ < To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com < with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the < email with no additional text. < < < End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 174 < ******************************************* < ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Thanks Janet. Could be another parish. Their son John Joseph Dwyer, born in Nov 1987 married Ellen Hanley from Ballycohy. They were married in Providence, RI but family legend says they were from the Tipperary Town area. Other children of theirs, siblings of John Joseph born in Tipperary are Winifred Dwyer, Anne Dwyer, Catherine (born in 1881), Thomas (born in 1883, Philip (born in 1885) and Margaret born in 1886. Since the Dwyer and Humphries names were in the Lattin list I was hoping for a hit. Carmen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Lattin/Cullen Baptism Index - Part 83 > Carmen, There is no record of their marriage in Lattin, nor did they > baptise any children in the parish. Perhaps Emly? or Tipp? > > Janet > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Carmen DiGiacomo <tippfado@verizon.net> > wrote: >> Janet, since you are stopping at 1880, I am looking for a marriage that >> would have happened after that date between >> >> Thomas J. Dwyer & Catherine Humphries >> >> No later than 1883. >> >> Carmen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> >> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:10 AM >> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Lattin/Cullen Baptism Index - Part 83 >> >> >>> 1880 >>> >>> Honora of John Conway & Margaret Darmody [Milltown] >>> Michael of Ger Cooney & Honora Hogan [Shronell] >>> Elizabeth of Denis Kehoe & Mary Finnan [Garryheakin] >>> Patrick of Patrick Burns & Johanna Donohue [Rathkea] >>> Catherine of John Hogan & Bridget Meehan? [Glenbane] >>> Laurence of Michael Hayes & Johanna Kinnane [Shronell] >>> Patrick of Maurice Walsh & Ellen Murnane [Lattin] >>> James of Pat Daly & Maria O'Brien [Milltown] >>> Anne of Pat Ryan & Bridget Ryan >>> Denis of John McCormack & Sarah Power [A. brega] >>> Ellen of Edmund Finnan & Johanna Furlong [Ardvillane] >>> Daniel of Daniel Danagher & Kate Ryan [Lattin] >>> Thomas of Patrick Crowe & Margaret Ryan [Ardvillane] >>> Joanna of John Barlow & Julia Ford [Shrough] >>> Owen/Eugene of Owen Callaghan & Mary Burke [Lattin] >>> William of John Moloney & Grace O'Neill [Ballynahow] >>> Bridget of James Dwyer & Mary Horan [Toor] >>> James of Thomas Lahy & Honoria Looby/Luby [Shronell] >>> Patrick of John Morrissey & catherine Cranley [Barronstown] >>> Winifred of John Russell & Joanna Crowe [Glenbane] >>> Mary of Tim Donohue & Catherine Kielly [Farranacliff] >>> Elizabeth of John Fitzgerald & Bridget Byrne >>> Michael of John Humphries & Mary McGrath [Kilcornan] >>> Deborah of William Kinnane? & Mary Kinnane [Rathkea] >>> Ellen of Michael Murphy & Ellen Horan [Cullen] >>> John of Daniel O'Neill & Ellen Dunne [Lattin] >>> William of Thomas Sheehan & Catherine Ryan [Ballyrobin]] >>> Mary of Patrick Kielly & Mary Woods [Rathkea] >>> Alice of Patrick Delaney & Bridget O'Donnell [Ballynahow] >>> Patrick of Christopher Russell & Honora Hogan [Glenbane] >>> Catherine of John Butler & Sarah Ryan [B. Sough] >>> Honora of Edmund Looby/Luby & Mary McGrath [Shronell] >>> Jeremiah of John Ryan & Anne Dwyer [Toor] >>> Honora of Christopher Russell & Bridget Dillon [Glenbane] >>> Thomas of Denis Humphries & Margaret Dwyer [Longstone] >>> Michael of Timothy Murnane & Ellen Ryan [Longstone] >>> Thomas of James Ryan & Elizabeth Day [Longstone] >>> Richard of Patrick Hanrahan & Margaret Ryan [Longstone] >>> >>> To be cont'd >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not wanting to continue the recent discussion but this does look to be of some concern if the RC church could take this further and embargo all films ... ???? http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm

Too true .. but moving on ... this is tremendous news for those with access to Dublin but for the rest of us .. where to from here? Huge thanks to Janet for her great generosity and time involved with listing all her Lattin/Cullen research - I'm sure there are many gold mines in those records for some. Do we know whether the LDS will release the C&E / Cloyne / Kerry records on their familysearch website? I understand they have the films already so perhaps this is not a big jump, or do they all have to still be entered into their computer database for on-line access? Does anyone know a time frame? I'm particularly interested in the Kilcommon parish in Cashel & Emly and also I have two branches from Co Kerry so, potentially, a couple of brick walls have come down .. just hope I can jump through them from here! Thanks again to Janet for all your great contributions to this list. Elizabeth O'Connell New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joker" <JoCath@upnaway.com> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com>; <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com>; <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Cashel & Emly Records >I think we are all becoming a bit previous with this so called "win". > > The "Archhbishop is Defeated" sounds like some medieval primal scream

Janet, since you are stopping at 1880, I am looking for a marriage that would have happened after that date between Thomas J. Dwyer & Catherine Humphries No later than 1883. Carmen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Lattin/Cullen Baptism Index - Part 83 > 1880 > > Honora of John Conway & Margaret Darmody [Milltown] > Michael of Ger Cooney & Honora Hogan [Shronell] > Elizabeth of Denis Kehoe & Mary Finnan [Garryheakin] > Patrick of Patrick Burns & Johanna Donohue [Rathkea] > Catherine of John Hogan & Bridget Meehan? [Glenbane] > Laurence of Michael Hayes & Johanna Kinnane [Shronell] > Patrick of Maurice Walsh & Ellen Murnane [Lattin] > James of Pat Daly & Maria O'Brien [Milltown] > Anne of Pat Ryan & Bridget Ryan > Denis of John McCormack & Sarah Power [A. brega] > Ellen of Edmund Finnan & Johanna Furlong [Ardvillane] > Daniel of Daniel Danagher & Kate Ryan [Lattin] > Thomas of Patrick Crowe & Margaret Ryan [Ardvillane] > Joanna of John Barlow & Julia Ford [Shrough] > Owen/Eugene of Owen Callaghan & Mary Burke [Lattin] > William of John Moloney & Grace O'Neill [Ballynahow] > Bridget of James Dwyer & Mary Horan [Toor] > James of Thomas Lahy & Honoria Looby/Luby [Shronell] > Patrick of John Morrissey & catherine Cranley [Barronstown] > Winifred of John Russell & Joanna Crowe [Glenbane] > Mary of Tim Donohue & Catherine Kielly [Farranacliff] > Elizabeth of John Fitzgerald & Bridget Byrne > Michael of John Humphries & Mary McGrath [Kilcornan] > Deborah of William Kinnane? & Mary Kinnane [Rathkea] > Ellen of Michael Murphy & Ellen Horan [Cullen] > John of Daniel O'Neill & Ellen Dunne [Lattin] > William of Thomas Sheehan & Catherine Ryan [Ballyrobin]] > Mary of Patrick Kielly & Mary Woods [Rathkea] > Alice of Patrick Delaney & Bridget O'Donnell [Ballynahow] > Patrick of Christopher Russell & Honora Hogan [Glenbane] > Catherine of John Butler & Sarah Ryan [B. Sough] > Honora of Edmund Looby/Luby & Mary McGrath [Shronell] > Jeremiah of John Ryan & Anne Dwyer [Toor] > Honora of Christopher Russell & Bridget Dillon [Glenbane] > Thomas of Denis Humphries & Margaret Dwyer [Longstone] > Michael of Timothy Murnane & Ellen Ryan [Longstone] > Thomas of James Ryan & Elizabeth Day [Longstone] > Richard of Patrick Hanrahan & Margaret Ryan [Longstone] > > To be cont'd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message