Arthur, There is quite a bit of information here on the family in Ireland: http://baggetthistory.com/irish_data.html Don't know if any of it will help you. Looks like my lot wil descend one way or another from Edmond of Baggotstown. Janet On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Arthur Carden <carden@one-name.org> wrote: > Hi, Janet > > Here is a quote from my book CARDEN OF BARNANE. > > At about this time [1698] Jonathan Carden married Bridget Bagot. Eliza > Jones, Jonathan's great grand-daughter, wrote that Jonathan lost the > Templemore property on being disinherited for marrying a Papist, a Mistress > Bagot, who was nearly descended from Charles II, adding, "the old people in > the lands of Barnane used to say that my father was but three removes from > Charley. There was old plate at Barnane which had . . . the Stuart arms upon > it, and I have an old seal (crystal) with her arms on one side and the > Carden arms on the other. Sir Lionel Carden wrote a monograph on this > subject which can be seen at the library of the Society of Genealogists in > London. This is the only evidence that her maiden name was indeed Bagot. > Possibly she was a descendant of members of the Bagot family who emigrated > to Ireland in the 17th century, of whom Eleanor Bagot married Robert > Cawarden of Mavesyn Ridware about 1500. Their only son John was born on 11 > May 1699. > > Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? If so, I would love to hear from > them. > > Arthur Carden of Horsham, England.

1867 Matthew of Billy Lyons & Mary Flemming [Chancellorstown] Ellen of Stephen Fleming & Ellen Hennebry [Chancellorstown] Patrick of Richard Prendergast & Peggy/Margaret Martin [Chancellorstown] Denis of James Collins & Ellen Slattery [Poulmucca] Anne of Francis Quinn & Mary Molloy [Ballytarsna] William of John Daniel & Biddy Kennedy? [Barn Demesne] Mary of Ned Walsh & Judy Morrissey [Clerihan] John of James Maher & Ally Power [Newchapel] Anne of Maurice Flynn & Ally Burke Newchapel] Mary* of William Ahearn & Judy Rourke BallyVeelish] Catherine of James Flannery & Mary Rourke [Lafally] Stephen of Jack/John Hennebry & Mary Fleming [Chancellorstown] Ellen of Ned Daniel & Mary Maxey [Graigue] Mary of William Flannery & Ellen Wall [Clerihan] John of John Hennessy & Mary Burke [Coleman] Catherine of Pat Heffernan & Ellen Slattery [Chancellorstown] Denis of Michael Ahearn & Anne Brohan [Mocklerstown] William of Simon Molloy & Ally Hennebry [Newchapel] Ellen of Ned Grady & Kate Tobin [Mocklerstown] Johanna of Michael Tobin & Mary Bradshaw [Chancellorstown] James of James Byrne & Judy Quinn [Coleman] Kate of James Prendergast & Margaret Walsh [Chancellorstown] Ellen of John Carrol & Ellen Bates [Clerihan] Thomas of Mick Lonergan & Norry/Honora Cawdy/Caudy [Clerihan] Pierce of Patrick English & Anne Connors John of John King & Nelly Ryan [Coleman] Mary Anne of Edmund Bates & Honora Ryan [Clerihan] William Of John Hyland & Mary Carey/Carew [Coleman] Daniel* of Dan Brady & Biddy Sullivan [Graigue] Mary Anne of Patrick White & Kate/Catherine Lonergan [Graigue] Margaret of Terence Connors & Kitty/Catherine Cantwell [Clerihan] Johanna of Patrick Hennebry & Mary Slattery [Lower Graigue] Johanna of Richard Deeves & Mary Casey [Knockeevan] James of John Aylward & Mary Flynn [Clerihan] Bridget of Denis Slattery & Kate Slattery [Knockeevan] Thomas of Michael Ferkins/Perkins & Ally Brian/Brien [Clerihan] Catherine of John Murray & Catherine Doyle [Coleman] Ellen[*?] of Sheameen/James Bates & Nancy/Ellen? Gorman [Clerihan] Patrick of Patrick Anglim & Margaret Commons/Cummins [Ballykemeen/Ballymihikin?] Ellen of William Daniel & Anty White [Clerihan] William of James Burns & Honora Guiry/Geary [Coleman] Michael of Patrick Power & Mary Ryan [Clerihan] Patrick of Patrick Cormick & Mary Slattery [Ballykemeen/Ballymihikin?] 1867 end

1866 Biddy of Stephen Maher? & Anty/Anastasia Crow [Clerihan] Judy of John King & Nellie Ryan [Coleman] Biddy of James Bates & Ellen Duggan [Clerihan] James of Edmund Holden and Mary Holden [Orchardstown] Mary of Michael Ahearn & Anne Brohan [Mocklerstown] Mary of Simon Molloy & Alice Hennebry [Newchapel] Thomas of John Burke and Bridget Hogan [Clerihan] Bridget Of Richard Ryan and Mary Egan [Coleman] Patrick Of Thomas Crawford [or Lafford] & Catherine Dunphy [Jamestown] Patrick Of Daniel Cummins & Catherine Maher [Coleman] Catherine Of Thomas Hurley & Alice Ryan [Coleman] Bridget Of Edmund Lonergan & Margaret Cullinan Thomas of Cornelius Brien & Mary Fraher [Clerihan] Judy of Daniel Carty/Carthy & Peggy Carty/Carthy [Clerihan] John of John Hunt & Ellen Foley [Lafally] Mary of James Brien & Ellen Daniel [Ballmior/Ballinvir?] James of Patrick Cormick & Mary Slattery [Ballykineen/Balyhimikin?] Michael of Redmond Brien and Mary Cashin [Poulmucca] Henry of Ned Cunningham and Biddy Hayes [Lafally] Ellen of William Looby/Luby and Susanna Sadlier [Newchapel] Ellen of James Bruton & Ellen Wallace [Clerihan] Thomas of Richard Slattery and Peggy/Margaret Burke [Ballyheameen/Ballyhimikin?] Michael Of Patrick Richarson & Margaret Flannery [Clerihan] Kate/Catherine of Denis Cronin & Ellen Larkin [Clerihan] John of Patrick Callanan & Nelly Hanley [Clerihan] Stasia of Patrick Quinlan & Ellen Baggot [Coleman] Ellen of John Lafford and Mary Cunningham [Lafally ] Mary of William Dwyer & Anne Tobin [Clerihan] Thomas Of Daniel Condon & Maria Davin [Coleman] Denis of William Cronin & Alice Burke [Clerihan] Richard of Richard Deeves & Peggy/Margaret/Mary Casey [Knockeevan] Bridget Of Patrick Hennebry & Biddy Ryan [Chancellorstown] Ned of Ned Lonergan & Peggy/Margaret Lonergan [Clerihan] James of James Walsh & Biddy Daniel [Clerihan] Bridget Of James Ryan & Ellen Bates [Ballyhimikeen/Ballyhimikin] Biddy of Michael Burke & Mary Hayes [Clerihan] Patrick of James Daniel & Mary Fennell [Newchapel] Mary of Joesph Reeves & Bridget Crowe William of Eugene/Owen Sullivan & Ellen Hayes [Orchardstown] Patrick of Patrick Britain & Mary Sheehan Bridget Of Thomas Kennedy & Mary Mason [Clerihan] Daniel of Daniel Fleming & Judy Dwyer [Clerihan] Ellen of James Carthy & Bridget Mulcahy [Clerihan] Mary of Ned Cunninghan & Norry/Honora Tobin [Lavally] 1866 end

1865 Bill/William of Ned Walsh & Judy Morrissey [Ballyhiameen/Ballyhimikin?] Darby* of John Halloran & Kitty/Catherine Nagle [Barn Demesne] William Of William Flannery & Nelly Wall [Clerihan] Kate/Catherine of Ned Grady & Kate/Catherine Tobin [Mocklerstown] John of Patrick English & Anne Connors [Mocklerstown] Michael Of James Prendergast & Margaret Walsh [Chancellorstown] Maria of John Hunt & Ellen Foley [2nd wife] [Lafally] Kate/Catherine of William Lyons & Mary Fleming [Chancellorstown] Francis of James Ryan & Ellen Bates [Ballyhiameen/Ballyhimikin?] Patrick of John Hennessey & Mary Burke [Coleman] Anastasia of Patrick Lyons & Mary Hennebry [died in childbirth] [Newchapel] John of Ned? Daniel and Mary Makey [Graigue] Daniel of Patrick Heffernan & Judy Hackett [Chancellorstown] Billy [or Judy?] of James Cummins and Hannah Byrne [Graigue] Biddy of William Kirby & Biddy Lambert [Graigue] Judy of Stephen Neill and Ally Connell [Clerihan] Mary of Richard Slattery & Peggy Burke [Ballyhiameen/Ballyhimikin?] William of Denis Slattery and Catherine Slattery [Knockeevan] Mary Anne of Patrick Anglim and Margaret Commins/Cummins [Ballyhiameen/Ballyhimikin?] Patrick of John Hennebry and Mary Fleming [Chancellorstown] Thomas Of Richard Griffin & Kate/Catherine Slattery [Clerihan] James of James Slattery and Catherine Shea [Clerihan] Mary of James Flannery & Mary Rourke [Lafally] James of John Conway & Peggy/Margaret Byrne [Clerihan] Ellen of John Hickey and Ellen Connell [Graigue] Bridget of Mick Perkins/Ferkins} and Ally Brien [Clerihan] Johanna of John Carroll and Ellen Bates [Clerihan] Thomas Of James Sullivan & Peggy Commons/Cummins Mary of John Burns & Judy Quinn [Ballyhiameen/Ballyhimikin?] Thomas of Patrick Power & Mary Ryan [Clerihan] Ellen of James Byrne/Burn & Norry Guiry/Geary [Coleman] Richard of Frank Quinn & Mary Molloy [Ballytarsna] Mary of Paddy Britain & Mary Dempsey [Coleman] Ellen of Edward Bates & Honora Ryan [Maginstown] Anne of Stephen Fleming & Ellen Hennebry [Chancellorstown] Catherine Of Patrick Anderson & Kate/Catherine Downey [Knockeevan] Margaret Of Ned Cunningham & Norry Tobin [Lafally] 1865 end

Thanks, Chris. I should have known that! Of course, the Protestant marriages were first registered in 1845! I never thought of looking at them but recognize some of the names and would like to look at the records. Thanks. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks, Arthur. It doesn't help me at the moment, but after I finsh the records, I will dig into what I might have tucked away that I don't know I have. I have never bothered to work on the Baggot line until all these connections popped up in the mid-1800's. Janet On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Arthur Carden <carden@one-name.org> wrote: > Hi, Janet > > Here is a quote from my book CARDEN OF BARNANE. > > At about this time [1698] Jonathan Carden married Bridget Bagot. Eliza > Jones, Jonathan's great grand-daughter, wrote that Jonathan lost the > Templemore property on being disinherited for marrying a Papist, a Mistress > Bagot, who was nearly descended from Charles II, adding, "the old people in > the lands of Barnane used to say that my father was but three removes from > Charley. There was old plate at Barnane which had . . . the Stuart arms upon > it, and I have an old seal (crystal) with her arms on one side and the > Carden arms on the other. Sir Lionel Carden wrote a monograph on this > subject which can be seen at the library of the Society of Genealogists in > London. This is the only evidence that her maiden name was indeed Bagot. > Possibly she was a descendant of members of the Bagot family who emigrated > to Ireland in the 17th century, of whom Eleanor Bagot married Robert > Cawarden of Mavesyn Ridware about 1500. Their only son John was born on 11 > May 1699. > > Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? If so, I would love to hear from > them. > > Arthur Carden of Horsham, England. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:30 PM > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Baggot family > > >> Is anyone researching the Catholic branches of the Baggot family? I >> have 3 different connections into it and have questions. >> >> Janet > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Janet Here is a quote from my book CARDEN OF BARNANE. At about this time [1698] Jonathan Carden married Bridget Bagot. Eliza Jones, Jonathan's great grand-daughter, wrote that Jonathan lost the Templemore property on being disinherited for marrying a Papist, a Mistress Bagot, who was nearly descended from Charles II, adding, "the old people in the lands of Barnane used to say that my father was but three removes from Charley. There was old plate at Barnane which had . . . the Stuart arms upon it, and I have an old seal (crystal) with her arms on one side and the Carden arms on the other. Sir Lionel Carden wrote a monograph on this subject which can be seen at the library of the Society of Genealogists in London. This is the only evidence that her maiden name was indeed Bagot. Possibly she was a descendant of members of the Bagot family who emigrated to Ireland in the 17th century, of whom Eleanor Bagot married Robert Cawarden of Mavesyn Ridware about 1500. Their only son John was born on 11 May 1699. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? If so, I would love to hear from them. Arthur Carden of Horsham, England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Baggot family > Is anyone researching the Catholic branches of the Baggot family? I > have 3 different connections into it and have questions. > > Janet

Well Lads this thread brought back some memories and a chuckle. Years ago as a building inspector in North Carolina I had to meet with a home owner and one of the County Sanitarians over the proposed location of a residential swimming pool. The sanitarian had been the original inspector for the septic tank installation, however, his records did not show the location of the drain field in relation to the septic tank or the house. After some time probing for the field he said 'There's a better way' and went off to his car. He returned with two brass welding rods with a short bend in one end. The home owner looked a me a said 'You've got to be ******* me.' Having never seen the sanitarian doing this be fore all I could do was shrug my shoulders and watch. He proceeded to walk around the yard and as the rods crossed and uncrossed he marked out an area on the ground. A few probes and he said 'There it is.' As building commenced his verdict was verified. I met the homeowner many times over the years and he would always mention it and shake his head. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRIUN1" <BRUIN1@bigpond.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Grave Witching; Dousing for the Dead > Hi Ed, > Same principal as water devining,dependimg how the wires react,can > indicate > direction of flow,depth and also strength of flow. This can also be done > with a forked stick from a gum or wattle tree. Have had some experience > with > this type of devining and it does work. Mick. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Madden" <edmadden@spiritone.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:58 PM > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Grave Witching; Dousing for the Dead > > >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1662 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Is anyone researching the Catholic branches of the Baggot family? I have 3 different connections into it and have questions. Janet

1864 ** Non-paternal event? Patrick Crosse** of Patrick Heffernan & Peg/Margaret Manning Margaret of Ned Bates of Honora Ryan [Milltown?] James of James Greene & Mary Hayden [Clerihan] Richard of Tom Hurly? & Ally Ryan [Coleman] Michael of Denis Hickey & Ally Waters [Rathdrum] Mary Jo of Edmund Heffernan & Maria Baggot [Milltown] Johanna of Richard Ryan & Mary Egan [Coleman] Johnanna of James Quirke & Judy Nolan [Clerihan] Bridget of Denis Cronin & Ellen Larkin Sally of William Looby/Luby & Susan Sadlier [Newchapel] Patrick of Patrick Lahy & Anne Keily [Clerihan] William of Ned Lonergan & Peggy/Margaret Lonergan [Clerihan] James of Simon Molloy & Ally Hennebry [Newchapel] Peggy/Margaret of William Dwyer & Ally Biggs [Lafally] Patrick of James Bates & Ellen Gorman [Clerihan] Anthony of John Carroll & Ellen Bates [Clerihan] Patrick of Cornelius Brien & Mary Fraher [Clerihan] Kate/Catherine of Ned Cunningham & Biddy Hayes [Lafally] Catherine of James Lonergan & Mary Mulcahy [Clerihan] Edward of Frank Quinn & Mary Molloy [Ballytarsna] Margaret of Tom Burke & Mary Carroll [Coleman] Julia of John Kennedy & Mary Mason [Clerihan] Catherine Of Daniel Cummins & Catherine Maher [Ballincur] Patrick Of John Burke & Bridget Hogan [Clerihan] John of Patrick Britain & Mary Dempsey Johanna of Michael Fitzgerald & Biddy Ryan [Ballyhimeen/Ballyhimikin] John of Edmund Brien & Mary Cashin [Graigue] Deny/Denis of Thomas Butler & Biddy Keefe [Lafally] Denis of John Conway & Margaret O'Brien [Clerihan] Patrick of James Daniel & Mary Fennell [Newchapel] John of Michael Prendergast & Peggy/Margaret Martin [Newchapel] Bridget Of Dick/Richard Deeves & Margaret Casey [Darlinghill] Margaret Of John Lonergan & Judy Fleming [Chancellorstown] Patrick of Patrick Calahan & Kitty Hanley [Clerihan] Mary of Michael Lonergan & Judy Neill [Newchapel] Honora of Michael Mockler & Peggy/Margaret Guiry/Geary [Ballinlough] Judy of James Bruton & Ellen Wallace [Clerihan] Michael of Owen/Eugene Sullivan & Biddy Hayes [Orchardstown] Anne of Richard Cantwell & Norry/Honora Commons/Cummins [Clerihan] Peggy/Margaret of Patrick Richardson & Peggy/Margaret Flannery [Clerihan] Mary* of Captain William Quinn & Kitty/Catherine Conway [Loughloher] Ellen of Richard Fennessy & Peggy/Margaret Keating [Clerihan] Thomas Of William Daniel & Anne Tobin [Ballyclerihan] Bridget Of Patrick Cormick & Mary Slattery [Coleman] Mary of Patrick Kennedy & Mary Slattery [Graigue] Johanna of James Collins & Ellen Slattery [Graigue] Philip of Patrick White & kate/Catherine Lonergan [Graigue] 1864 end

1863 Ellen of Patrick Kennedy & Mary Slattery [Graigue] Thomas of James Lonergan & Mary Mulcahy [Clerihan] Patrick of Ned Daniel & Mary Maxey [Graigue] William of Jack/John Daniel & Biddy Kennedy [Lafally] John of Michael Lonergan & Norry Caudy John of William Slattery & Ellen Hickey [Ballyheameen/Ballyhimikin?] Johanna of Owen/Eugene Sullivan & Ellen Hayes [Orchardstown] Mary of James Slattery & Catherine Shea [Clerihan] David of James Flannery & Mary Rourke [Lafally] Patrick of James Ryan & Ellen Bates [Rathimikea/Rathkea?] [Only a guess, but somehow I think the next two entries, a day apart, might be connected somehow] Judy of John Carty/Carthy & Biddy Mulcahy [Clerihan] Kitty/Catherine* of Denis Maher & Biddy Mulcahy [Clerihan] Margaret of Patrick Cormick & Mary Slattery [Ballyhimikin] Anne of James Sullivan & Peggy/Margaret Commons/Cummins [Knockenimini? (Darlinghil)] Michael of James Collins & Ellen Slattery [Graigue] Kitty/Catherine of John Quillinan & Kitty/Catherine Ryan [Clerihan] Patrick of Patrick Heffernan & Judy Hackett [Chancellorstown] Michael of Michael Ferkins/Perkins? & Ally Brien [Clerihan] Kitty/Catherine of James Slattery & Jane Bishop [Clerihan] John of Patrick Power & Mary Ryan [Clerihan] John of John Daniel & Ally Burns [Ballyveelish] Mary of James Byrne/Burn & Norry Guiry/Geary? [Coleman] Anne of John Hennebry & Mary Fleming [Chancellorstown] Mary of James Keating & Ellen Cleary [Chancellorstown] Michael of Michael Lonergan & Mary Conway [Lafally] Kitty/Catherine of James Walsh & Biddy Donnell [Clerihan] Johanna of Patrick Richardson & Peggy/Margaret Flannery [Clerihan] Michael of William Ryan & Biddy Hanley [deceased] [Chancellorstown] [twin] William of William Ryan & Biddy Hanley [Deceased] [Chancellorstown] [twin] Margaret of Thomas Crawford & Kate/Catherine Dumphey [Graigue] James of John Hickey & Nelly Connell [Graigue] Judy of Jack/John Lafford & Mary Cunningham [Lafally] Martin of Terence Connors & Kitty/Catherine Cantwell [Mocklerstown] Ellen of Daniel Fleming & Judy Dwyer [Clerihan] Mary of Ned Grady & Kate Tobin [Mocklerstown] John of James Brien? & Ellen Daniel [Ballincor] Judy of Michael Maher [Boultom?] & Mary Heffernan [Clerihan] James of Patrick Maher & Mary Barib? [Clerihan] Mary of Richard Griffin & Kate Slattery [Clerihan] Margaret of John Keefe & Mary Brien [Orchardstown Daniel Patrick of Patrick English & Anne Connors [Mocklerstown John of Mathew Cussack & Ellen Farrell [Clerihan Anne* of Patrick Slattery & Margaret Lyons [Newchapel 1863 end

Hi Ed, Same principal as water devining,dependimg how the wires react,can indicate direction of flow,depth and also strength of flow. This can also be done with a forked stick from a gum or wattle tree. Have had some experience with this type of devining and it does work. Mick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Madden" <edmadden@spiritone.com> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Grave Witching; Dousing for the Dead >

1862 cont'd John of William Lyons & Mary Fleming [Chancellorstown] Anne of Thomas Hickey & Mary Hickey [Lower Graigue] Ned of James Harty/Harding & Nelly Burke [Rathdrum] James of Stephen Neill & Ally Connell [Clerihan] Thomas of William Flannery & Ellen Wall [Clerihan] John of Michael Lonergan & Judy Nale/Neill? Maria Josephina of Patrick Quinlan & Ellen Baggott [Coleman] Denis of Denis Slattery & Catherine Slattery [Knockeevan] Biddy of John Keating & Elizabeth Butler Johanna of Patrick White & Kate/Catherine Lonergan [Graigue] Mary of Michael Ryan & Ally Rourke [Coleman] Judy of James Cummins & Hannah Byrne/Burn [Graigue] Thomas of Patrick Anderson? & Kate/Catherine Downey] Peggy/Margaret of Ned Grady & Kate/Catherine Tobin [Mocklerstown] Peggy/Margaret of John Conway & Peggy/Margaret Ryan Anne of Daniel Fleming & Judy Dwyer [Clerihan ] Patrick of John Carroll & Ellen Bates [Clerihan] Thomas of Michael Barrett & Ellen Sweeney [Coleman] Patrick of Patrick Hennebry & Biddy Ryan [Chancellorstown] Edward of Thomas Prendergast & Margaret Walsh [Chancellorstown] Anne of William Kirby & Biddy Lambert [Graigue] Jerry of Patrick Hannigan & Judy Manning [Clerihan] Thomas of James Daniel & Mary Fennell [Newchapel] Honora of Redmond Brien & Mary Cashin [Graigue] 1862 end

1862 Johanna of Tom Butler & Biddy Keefe [Lafally] Bridget of John Burke & Biddy Hogan [Clerihan] Margaret of James Keating & Ellen Cleary [Chancellorstown] Bridget of Dan Cummins & Kitty Maher [Coleman] Ellen of Tom Crowley? & Ally Condon [Clerihan] Mary of Richard Prendergast & Peggy Martin [Newchapel] Johanna of William Looby/Luby & Susan Sadlier [Newchapel] William of Patrick Richardson & Peggy/Margaret Flannery [Clerihan] Patrick of James Quirke & Anne Nolan [Clerihan] Jeremiah of Richard Ryan & Mary Egan [Coleman] John of John Lafford & Mary Cunningham [Lafally] Catherine of Cornelius Byran/Brien & Mary Fraher [Clerihan] Patrick of James Slattery & Anne Bishop [Clerihan] Mary of Ned Cunningham & Biddy Hayes [Lafally] Catherine of Thomas Burke & Mary Carroll [Coleman] Catherine of Patrick Heffernan & Judy Hackett [Chancellorstown] Thomas of John Hickey & Nelly Connell [Graigue] Francis of Simon Molloy & Ally Hennebry [Newchapel] John of James Bates & Ellen Gorman [Clerihan] John of James Bruton? & Ellen Wallace [Clerihan] Patrick of Edward Bates & Honora Ryan [Clerihan] John of Denis Hickey & Ally Waters [Rathdrum] To be cont'd

1861 Patrick of Michael Maher & Biddy Wall [Coleman] Michael of Patrick Power & Mary Ryan [Clerihan] James of Thomas Butler & Biddy Keefe [Lafally] Julia of John Laffort/Laport & Mary Cunningham [Lafally] Micky?/Michael of Michael Hayes & Mary Lonergan [Clerihan] Margaret of Owen/Eugene Sullivan & Ellen Hayes [Orchardstown] Judy of Patrick Anderson & Kitty/Catherine Downey [Clerihan] Patrick of John Woodlock & Alley Lonergan [Rathdrum] Catherine of Daniel Fleming & Johanna Dwyer [Clerihan] Judy of William Fennessy & Judy Barrett [Clerihan] John of John Conway & Peggy/Margaret Brien [Clerihan] Kate/Catherine of Richard Deeves & Mary Casey [Darlinghill??] Margaret of Ned Cunningham & Biddy Hayes [Lafally] Peggy/Margaret* of Jem/or Tom/Jeremiah? Fleming & Peggy Fleming [Clerihan] Kitty/Catherine of William Dwyer & Ally Biggs [Lafally] Anne of Patrick Lyons & Mary Hennebry [Newchapel] John of James Sullivan & Mary Commons/Cummins [Knockeevan] William of Patrick Cormick & Mary Slattery [Ballyheameen] Johanna of James Prendergast & Margaret Walsh [Chancellorstown] Margaret of Ned Lonergan & Peggy/Margaret Lonergan [Clerihan] Ellen of Edward Bates & Honora Ryan Patrick of Michael Donnell & Mary Slattery [Ballyveelish] Daniel of Mathew Cusack & Ellen Farrell [Clerihan] Mary of Denis Cronin & Ellen Larkin [Clerihan] Mary of James Ryan & Mary Ryan [Coleman] Margaret of Daniel Driscoll & Margaret Leahy [Clerihan] John of Ned Slattery & Julia Beston [Ballyhimikeen] Bridget of John Tobin & Judy Ahern [Clerihan] Thomas of Michael Fitzgerald & Biddy Ryan [Coleman] Richard of Patrick Anglim & Peggy/Margaret Cummins [Ballyhimikeen] Mary of John Hennebry & Mary Fleming [ChancellorsTown] Ned of Jemmy/Jeremiah? Ryan & Ellen Bates [Ballyhimikeen] Ally of Michael Mockler & Peggy/Margaret Guiry [Ballinlough] Honora of Thomas Hurly & Ally Ryan [Coleman] Patrick of Patrick Cormick & /Anastasia Ryan [Coleman] John of James Burns & Norry/Honora Guiry/Geary [Coleman] Ned of Patrick Aylward & Kate/Catherine Kiely [Clerihan] Anastasia of William Neill & Ellen Casey [ChancellorsTown] Ned of Patrick Nash & Anne Reilly [Clerihan] Thomas of John Hunt & Kate/Catherine Morrissey [Lafally] 1861 end

1860 cont'd Ellen of Patrick Madden & Gillan? Magrath [Brunswick] Catherine of James Keating & Ellen Cleary [Ballyhimikin] Ellen of Patrick Lahy & Anne Keily [Clerihan] Peter of William O'Neill & Ellen Casey [Chancellorstown] Thomas of Ned Magrath & Catherine Graham [Clerihan] Ally* of Michael Ryan & Ally Rourke John of Patrick White & Kitty/Catherine White [Graigue] Alice of John Carroll & Ellen Bates [Clerihan] James of Lawrence Hennebry & Ellen Cleary [Ballyveelish] James of Pat Hennebry & Biddy Ryan [Chancellorstown] Mary of Patrick Moore & Kitty/Catherine Lahy [Clerihan] Thomas of Terence Connors & Kitty/Catherine Cantwell [Mocklerstown] [twin] Richard/Dick of Terence Connors & Kitty/Catherine Cantwell [Mocklerstown] [twin] Mary of John Lyons & Catherine Slattery [Newchapel] Kate of Thomas Nash & Judy Butler [Newchapel] Ellen* of Tom Griffin & Mary Carey/Carew [Clerihan] William Francis of Patrick Quinlan & Ellen Baggott [Coleman] Mary of William Ryan & Biddy Hennebry [Chancellorstown] Johanna of James Flannery & Mary Rourke [Lafally] Mary of William Kirby & Biddy Lambert [Graigue] Michael of James Daniel & Mary Fennell [Newchapel] Mary of James Lonergan & Mary Maher James of William Slattery & Ellen Hickey [Ballyhimeen] Harry of Patrick Fitzgerald & Biddy White [Coleman] Mary of John Cantwell & Mary Dunne [Clerihan] James of Patrick Daniel & Mary Maxey [Graigue] Maurice of John Hunt & Kate/Catherine Morrissey [Lafally] Patrick of Patrick Molloy & Ally Hennebry [Newchapel John of Patrick Heffernan & Johanna Hackett [Chancellorstown] 1860 end

1860 Mary of Daniel Commins/Cummins & Kate Maher [Ballinlough] Pat of John Donnell & Biddy Kennedy [Lafally] Tom of James Sullivan & Peggy Commons/Cummins [Knockeevan] [twin] Anne of James Sullivan & Peggy Commons/Cummins [Knockeevan] [twin] Anne of Patrick Anglum/Anglim & Margaret Commons/Cummins [Ballyhimeen/Ballyhimikin] William of James Slattery & Kate Shea [Clerihan] Bridget of William Flannery & Ellen Wall [Clerihan] Mary of Richard Ryan & Mary Egan [Coleman] William of Patrick Aylward & Kate Kelly [Clerihan] Patrick Fennessy [of Dunhill/Donohill?] & Mary Shea [Coleman] William of Michael Lonergan & Mary Conway [Lafally] Mary of James Bates & Ellen Gorman [Clerihan] John of Cornelius Brien & Mary Fraher [Clerihan] Ned of Ned Cody & Judy Macken [Poulmucca] Kate of John Hickey & Nelly Connell [Graigue] Darby* of Patrick Brien & Kitty Shea [Rathdrum] Biddy of Thomas Keefe & Judy Slattery [Graigue] Anne of John Tobin & Judy Ahearn [Clerihan] Mary of William Dwyer & Ally Biggs [Lafally] Peggy/Margaret of Patrick Hannigan & Judy Mangan [twin] Ellen of Patrick Hannigan & Judy Mangan [twin] William of Edward Bates & Honora Ryan Mary of Michael Perkins & Ally Brien [Clerihan] Ned of Timothy Coffee & Kitty/Catherine Connors [Lafally] Mary of James Cummins & Hanna Byrne/Burn [Graigue] William of William Lyons & Mary Anne Fleming [Chancellorstown] Johanna Maria of Edward Heffernan & Maria Baggot [Mocklerstown] James of Patrick Richardson & Peggy/Margaret Flannery [Clerihan] Elizabeth of John Keating & Elizabeth Butler [Coleman] To be cont'd

1859 Catherine Joseph of Patrick Quinlan/Quillinan & Ellen Baggot [Coleman] William of Patrick Fitzgerald & Bridget White Mary of James O'Donnell & Mary Fennell Thomas of Patrick Jordan & Bridget Barrett Ellen of Thomas Hickey & Mary Hickey [Lower Graigue] William of Edmund O'Donnell & Mary Maxey Mary of John Quinlan/Quillinan & Catherine Ryan Thomas of Michael Sullivan & Jane Lonergan John of John Henebry & Mary Fleming John of Thomas Hurley & Alice Ryan Alice of Michael Fitzgerald & Bridget Ryan Mary* of William Cleary & Catherine Hall [Killenaule] Mary of John Lafford & Mary Cunningham William of Denis Treacy & Mary Connell Thomas of William Neill & Ellen Casey John of John Dwyer & Mary Hickey Denis of John Hunt & Catherine Morrissey [Lavally] Johanna of Patrick Cormick & Anastasia Ryan William of John Lonergan & Judith Flemming James of William Fennessy & Johanna Barrett John of Michael Donnell & Mary Slattery Mary of James Mockler & Mary Lanigan John of Denis Cronin & Ellen Larkin Michael of John Conway & Margaret Brien Mary of Richard Deeves & Margarert Casey John of Patrick Maher & Mary Bearham/Beacham?/Beechum? Charles John of Charles Mulcahy & Catherine Lonergan John of Patrick Moore & Catherine Lahy [twin] Mary of Patrick Moore & Catherine Lahy [twin] Ellen of James Quirke & Julia Nolan Bridget of John Tobin & Catherine Bates Bridget of James Flannery & Mary Rourke Timothy of Denis Slattery & Catherine Slattery Alice of Michael Maher & Mary Heffernan Michael of James Brien & Ellen Donnell Margaret of Michael Lonergan & Honora Caudy Mathew of Mathew Cusack & Ellen Farrell Ellen of John Burke & Bridget Hogan Margaret of James Lonergan & Mary Mulcahy Catherine of Patrick Cormick & Mary Slattery Margaret of James Prendergast & Margaret Walsh James of James Ryan & Ellen Bates Thomas of Simon Molloy & Alice Henebry John of Eugene Sullivan & Ellen Hayes[ Orchardstown] Ned of James Slattery & Jane Bishop [Clerihan] Edward of Edward Hogan & Susan Sadlier [Newchapel] Mary of Patrick O'Donnell & Catherine Flannery [Rathaneska] 1859 end

Kathleen, I don't have more Kilcornan or Pallasgreen unfortunately. Unless LDS has it on a film somewhere, the only option is the NLI in Dublin right now. You are welcome on the information I have been able to post, all of you, but soon I will run out of gifts and then we must all do genealogical acts of kindness for each other. If anyone is looking at a film, please do a month or two and share on the list. Doesn't matter which C & E parish. What I have noticed with my own family is that I can come up with lines, but the connections are back into the 1700's, or even before that. People didn't move around much. We must then keep plugging away at the books and newspapers for more information. With every line we can move back in time, we gain a lttle more data to work with. Janet On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:40 PM, kathleen ethier <ethierka@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Janet, > Thank you so much for all of the wonderful information you provide to the list. My family is from Longstone and Ballyrobin -- which are right next to each other but are divided between the Kilcornan and Cullen civil parishes. The two names I'm most interested in, Berkery (Barragry, Bercory, Bircury) and Keefe, only show up in the Kilcornan Griffiths, but the marriage and baptismal records for the family from the 1860's-1880's are in the Lattin/Cullen records you posted. Ballyrobin and the half of Longstone in Kilcornan sit in the Pallasgrean Catholic parish and the records go down to 1811. Do you know of any way to access those records? I have a feeling that I might find some missing links there. When I came to Tipperary four years ago I visited an old -- pretty large -- cemetary between Pallasgrean (old) and Longstone that had a number of Keefe and Berkery graves and I copied as many as I could, but haven't made any of the connections to my known family members. > > Thanks again for all you do. > Kathleen

Pat, Here is what Tim said... Christina, The source is LDS film of the civil registration entries.The entries are the same that you can get from the General Registrar Office in Roscomon. They and indexes are at familysearch.org. The registrar districts are in alphabetical order. Roscrea, Tipperary and Thurles for example are all on Vol 10 of each year until 1864. There are about 18 films for the years I did. As a sample, 1849 is 101311, 1850 is 101321, 1851 is 101331. From what I put up, it should be very easy to order the full entries from Roscommon. The only thing really missing is the townland and parish of residence for the bride and groom. Tim