Our Dwyers/O'Dwyers had the nickname Cuipear, pronounced "coopayer", meaning cooper or barrel-maker. They were farmers & lived in Curraghpoor, Donaskeigh, about a half mile from the present church in Donaskeigh, on the road to Tipperary town. I'd like to contact descendants of Patrick, his brother Thomas and cousin John. Patrick Dwyer, born abt 1818, son of Patrick Dwyer and Julia Brain (Breen? Bryan? O Brien?)). In 1858 he married Mary McGrath in Ipswich, Queensland. Patrick was indent # 186, aged 20 years, could read and write, single and Roman Catholic, from Tipperary, Ireland and a cooper by trade. He departed from Dublin on Sat 8 Sep 1838, arriving at Sydney on Sat 29 Dec 1838, aboard the "Elphinstone". He received his certificate of freedom in 1845. C F No. 45/1038 7 Aug 1845 SR Ref 4/4400 Film 1021 Pg 33 Reel 24.. Convict Indent Ship: Elphinstone. Arr from Ireland 29 Dec 1838 Standing No. of convicts: 38-2694 Indent No.: 186 Age: 20 yrs Can read & write - Roman Catholic - Single Native place: Co Tipperary Occupation: Cooper Crime: Assault Where tried: Tipperary Date of trial: 24 Jul 1838 - 7 yrs sentence. No previous conviction Height: 5 ft 5¾ ins Complexion: Ruddy & freckled Hair: Brown Eyes: Grey Remarks: Nose crooked, scar below left elbow, brother & first cousin Thomas & John Dwyer prisoners out last year == Thomas Dwyer (brother of the Patrick Dwyer above) Ticket of Leave 44/1952 Reel 953 Shelf 4/4189 Pg 13/15 2/8282 Ship: Westmoreland (2) arr from Ireland 22 Aug 1838 Standing No. of convicts: 38-1641 Indent No.: 173 Age: 18 yrs Can read & write. Roman Catholic. Single Native place: Co Tipperary Occupation: Stonemason's apprentice Crime: Assaulting dwelling Sentence: 7 years Where tried: Limerick Date of trial: 10 Mar 1838 - No previous conviction Height: 5 ft 6¼ ins Complexion: Ruddy & freckled Hair: Brown Eyes: Grey Remarks: Horizontal scar on right cheek, small scar on upper part of nose, scar on right side of forehead, I-DT; DMDPD, WD inside lower right arm, large mole & mark of boil on back of same. THOMAS DWYER inside lower left arm. ===== I don't have the convict record of their cousin, John Dwyer. ==== Denyse in Queensland

Looking for parents and/or siblings of LUKE AND MICHAEL OAKLEY, possibly Garrane and Aghnameadle. Betty Spelman

Seeking anyone researching John O’Connell, b ca 1825 in Ireland, son of Jeremiah O’Connell and Bridget (?). I have been unable to connect John to parents named Jeremiah and Bridget in Ireland. Emigrated to Lawrence Massachusetts ca 1846, married Mary Horan in Lawrence in 1850 and settled in Andover Massachusetts. (Reportedly John emigrated with four brothers but I have found no record of any of them.) Mary Horan was born ca 1825 in Buttevant, County Cork, Ireland and was the daughter of Charles and Mary Roche Horan. John and Mary had eight children including Bridget (Abercrombie), Charles J., William, John A., David, Arthur, George and Mary Jane (Warden). The family lived in Andover Massachusetts until John and Mary’s deaths in 1896. Reply to [email protected]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > Ryan-Tobin > Janet . My apologies for not snipping the  old email at the bottom of my > email . My 82 YO brain goes on holidays . Laurie Thompson Don't worry about it, Laurie, mine goes drifting off sometimes, too. I'll be heading off to bed soon, so if anyone has any trouble posting, try contacting Aggi-Rose for help at [email protected], or send me a message and I'll sort it out in my morning. A reminder to include as many dates and places as you can in your message. I hope everyone jumps in and offers help, if you can. Janet

Simon Saw your message on the Tipperary rollcall. I got onto the free search site at www.familysearch.org and there are a number of Egan birth registration in the index (to get the full record you would have to order it from www.groireland.ie and if you are doing so ask for a photocopy of the entry as it gives the same information and costs less) Anyway I found the following entries Margaret Mary Egan 1923 Nenagh registration district Quarter (the records are divided into quarters of the year) Jul Sep Vol 3 page 341 Josephine Mary Egan Nenagh district Oct Dec 1923 Vol 3 page 354 By the way Carrigatogher is just about 4 miles south west of Nenagh town. See Google map http://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&tab=wl Also Michael J Egan Nenagh Apr- Jun 1928 Mother's maiden surname is Whelan (in later years the index shows mother'ssurname which makes the search less difficult) vol 3 page 361 ( I checked www.pilot.familysearch.org for this and scrolled down to the Irish Civil Registration Index .) For the marriage of William Egan and Mary Whelan I found a possible match Both names have a marriage entry reference of Apr Jun 1920 Nenagh District vol 3 page 442. this means that both names are on the same page and it is probable that this is the reference of their marriage but it is not 100% certain. You would have to order the photocopy to be quite sure. You might like to start with the marriage rather than the births. Hope this is of help Regards Clare Tuohy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall > Hi Janet > > Not so much a roadblock but directions required. My mother and her two > sisters came over to England in the forties / fifties, and originate from > Nenagh, I would like to find out how to find thier birth records and hence > their parents marriage. > > Maureen Egan b. 02/10/1920 > Margaret Mary Egan b 26/05/1922 > Josephine Mary Egan b 07/11/1923 poss in Carrigatoher (if such a place > exists). > > Parents William Egan and Mary Whelan. > > Any pointers very much appreciated. > > Regards > > Simon > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1248 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Janet, Seems that I've got my Crough-Croke-Crowe ancestors fairly well sored, a couple of great uncles that wondered of to faraway places to sort but ... Mostly reading the mail for now Lou Burgess ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Crawford <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:15:52 +0100 (IST) Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall I've let the list get quiet while Rootsweb got its house back in order again, but it is TOO darn quiet. Let's try a rollcall and see what happens. Tell us who you are looking for now, your brickwall, your latest success, your questions, or whatever else my be on your mind, genealogically speaking only. [If you are getting more mail than you would like, write me directly and I can put you on "no mail" for a while and you can read the mail from the archives.] A huge sports complex and casino has been approved for No. Tipp in Two Mile Borris, although the State law has to be changed first to allow casino betting. There will be a monster size hotel there as well. This should be interesting. The Queen has been here and President Obama has been here; both visits were exciting, and we seem to have a small revival of the "troubles" in No. Ireland at the moment, which I hope is just a symptom of the economic downturn and nothing else. Janet Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have not been active the last while in searching for records but have gone back to the 1700's, looking for Daniel Carroll of Drom, Ballinlonty. With the help of my sister we were able to find the old homestead and actually got to visit it before they tore it down. We also visited the Old Drom cemetery where the headstones for my great - great grandparents are and had them repointed so the next generations will be able to read the stones. I have the records of residence for the family back to 1790's but not sure where to search now. Any suggestions? Sheila Carroll Colter

Hi Janet Not so much a roadblock but directions required. My mother and her two sisters came over to England in the forties / fifties, and originate from Nenagh, I would like to find out how to find thier birth records and hence their parents marriage. Maureen Egan b. 02/10/1920 Margaret Mary Egan b 26/05/1922 Josephine Mary Egan b 07/11/1923 poss in Carrigatoher (if such a place exists). Parents William Egan and Mary Whelan. Any pointers very much appreciated. Regards Simon

Yes Carmen, and thank you. We just don't know how they are related to Colla O'Kelly, a school teacher, who lived 1690 in (or near) Dublin Towne. His was the first name mentioned in two of our oldest family bibles. Kelly is as bad as Smith when trying to track that special someone down. don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmen DiGiacomo" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:23:55 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall Don, I am sure you know of the Kelly's from Tipperary Town. Right? Carmen D. Pittsburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "donkelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall >I am not actively researching ancestors from Tipperary, though we know that >in ancient times the O'Kelly and O'Brian Clans had occasional residences >there. > > So the rollcall will start things rolling again. I hope RW did good this > time. > > donkelly > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Smith" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:44:31 AM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall > > Hi Janet > > Not so much a roadblock but directions required. My mother and her two > sisters came over to England in the forties / fifties, and originate from > Nenagh, I would like to find out how to find thier birth records and hence > their parents marriage. > > Maureen Egan b. 02/10/1920 > Margaret Mary Egan b 26/05/1922 > Josephine Mary Egan b 07/11/1923 poss in Carrigatoher (if such a place > exists). > > Parents William Egan and Mary Whelan. > > Any pointers very much appreciated. > > Regards > > Simon > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've let the list get quiet while Rootsweb got its house back in order again, but it is TOO darn quiet. Let's try a rollcall and see what happens. Tell us who you are looking for now, your brickwall, your latest success, your questions, or whatever else my be on your mind, genealogically speaking only. [If you are getting more mail than you would like, write me directly and I can put you on "no mail" for a while and you can read the mail from the archives.] A huge sports complex and casino has been approved for No. Tipp in Two Mile Borris, although the State law has to be changed first to allow casino betting. There will be a monster size hotel there as well. This should be interesting. The Queen has been here and President Obama has been here; both visits were exciting, and we seem to have a small revival of the "troubles" in No. Ireland at the moment, which I hope is just a symptom of the economic downturn and nothing else. Janet

I am not actively researching ancestors from Tipperary, though we know that in ancient times the O'Kelly and O'Brian Clans had occasional residences there. So the rollcall will start things rolling again. I hope RW did good this time. donkelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Smith" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:44:31 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall Hi Janet Not so much a roadblock but directions required. My mother and her two sisters came over to England in the forties / fifties, and originate from Nenagh, I would like to find out how to find thier birth records and hence their parents marriage. Maureen Egan b. 02/10/1920 Margaret Mary Egan b 26/05/1922 Josephine Mary Egan b 07/11/1923 poss in Carrigatoher (if such a place exists). Parents William Egan and Mary Whelan. Any pointers very much appreciated. Regards Simon Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patrick O'Connell b. Tipperary m.Catharine Bourke/Burke went through Montreal Canada>Plattsburgh, NY, USA - Parents: Joanna Hogan and James O'Connell in Tipperary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall

CAREY (KEARY, KEAREY); TRACEY (TRACY,TREACY); McDOOLE (McDUELL); MANUS (McMANUS) When does a circumstantial/coincidental case become fact? My quest is to confirm/refute that the Daniel and Bridget Tracey Carey and the Martin and Eliza McDuell Tracey families who settled in Niagara County (Somerset/Hartland/Royalton/Middleport) New York in the early 1860's are the same families that are found in the Griffiths Valuation (Ballynough, Bourney, Tipperary) and Cournaganeen and Roscrea (Derrymore, and Rosemary) Parish records (1855-1860). Immigration:-- May 1863, Martin and Eliza Tracy arrive New York with three Carey grandchildren, Michael, Martin and Jeremiah. Daniel and Bridget had arrived earlier, date unknown. Census:--Carey and Tracey families are found in Niagara County in New York State and US census 1865 - 1900+. Griffiths Valuation:-- Daniel Carey and Martin Tracey live close to each other in Ballynough, Bourney, Tipperary.-- John (and Jeremiah) Manus live in Tullaskeagh, Roscrea, Tipperary. Church records:-- Martin Tracey and Eliza McDoole married Feb 1833 (Roscrea RC). Jno Manus was a witness.-- Daniel Keary and Bridget Tracy married Oct 1855 (Cournaganeen RC, Bourney).-- Martin Carey (Derrymore) baptized Roscrea RC May 1857. *(Treacy). -- Mary Carey (Roscrea) baptized Roscrea RC Aug 1858. *(Tracy).-- Jeremiah Kearey (Rosemary) baptized Roscrea RC Apr 1860. *(Tracey). John Manus was a sponsor.* Parents were Daniel ___ and Bridget ___. -- Martin and Eliza had several children baptized at Cournaganeen. I am traveling to Dublin and Roscrea in mid-July to see what else I can learn. All suggestions/insight/leads/help will be appreciated. > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:15:52 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall > > I've let the list get quiet while Rootsweb got its house back in order > again, but it is TOO darn quiet. Let's try a rollcall and see what > happens.

Researching two Tipperary lines: 1. John Lonergan (ca 1775) married Bridget. Their children: - Maurice Lonergan (b: 1801 in Newcastle, Tipperary) married Julia Hennessey (or Johanna) - James Lonergan, moved to Ipswich, Queensland, Australia - William Lonergan, b: ca 1822 in Newcastle, m: Julia in Newcastle, went to Australia in 1856 on COMMODORE PERRY. Maurice Lonergan and Johanna/Julia Hennessey had several children in Ballylooby, Tipperary before coming to the USA: John Lonergan, b: 6 Feb 1829 James Lonergan , b: 23 Feb 1834 William Lonergan , b: 4 May 1837 Honora, b: 1 Aug 1841 Maurice Lonergan , b: 15 Nov 1843 2. Richard Tobin, m: Honora Gorman, b: 1783 in Cahir, Co. Tipperary - Maurice Tobin (1810 in Ardfinnan, Co. Tipperary Ireland) married Mary Margaret Skehan (in Ballyloopy) - John Maurice Tobin (b: 1858 in Iowa) m: Elizabeth Tippett (b:1861) - - Adrian Tobin (b:1901 in MN) m: Susan Lonergan (b: 1904) - - - Jeanne Tobin (b:1946) m: Jerry Franck (b:1944) Children of Richard Tobin and Honora Gorman: John Tobin, b: 1808, d: 14 March 1868 in St. Louis, MO, m: Sara Byrne (2nd?) Maurice Tobin, christened 1 May 1810 in Ardfinnan, Co. Tipperary, Ireland, d: 16 May 1905, m: (Mary) Margaret Skehan (in Ballylooby, Co. Tipperary) James Tobin, b: 31 May 1812 in Ardfinnan Mary Tobin, in Ardfinnan Brigid Tobin, b: 5 Apr 1825 in Ardfinnan I have family writeups on these lines if interested. Jerry Franck [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

Hi Janet and listers. Anne Lowney and Betty Egan are our second cousins, two of many, from a farm on the townland of Belleen in Monsea Parish in north Tipperary. Their grandfather Patrick Collins was married to wife one, who died in childbirth; he then married a second wife, with whom he had more children. One wife was a Gleeson woman and one was a Kennedy woman. But no one can recall which wife was which. Among all the brilliant researches on this list we're hoping one of you can tell us. A note to Janet: Louise and are spending three weeks in Puchaun (Puckane) in September, 2012. We owe you a visit. Tell is - offline - when best we can get together. Best wishes to all. Jack & Louise Boyde in Canada's Southernmost County

Roll call: Michael HALLY married Catherine ENGLISH c 1815. Michael was from Newcastle and Catherine from Grange. They had 13 children. Ellen b 1816 married Michael POWERS; Mary Hally b 1819 married unknown RYAN; Honor(a) b 1821 married Garrett NUGENT; Edmund(Edward) b 1822 married Mary KIELY; Michael b 1824 married Mary HOLLEY; Brigid b 1826 married Michael HALL; Margaret b 1826 married unknown CORNIN; Catherine b 1828 married Christopher MAHEN; David b 1830 married Margarette SHERIDAN; John Hally b 1832 died on ship; Thomas b 1834 married Mary GREIGG (Craig). All emigrated to Wis through NY. A son, Patrick, died or was killed in NY according to a family story. Another son, William, purportedly remained in Ireland. Ellen through Michael likely married in Ireland and the rest either in NY or WI. Most children were born in Aughvanlomaun townland in Newcastle parish very near the Waterford border near Mt Melleray Abbey. The family of Michael Powers was from that area - he married Ellen Hally. Sandy On 6/21/2011 10:15 AM, Janet Crawford wrote: > I've let the list get quiet while Rootsweb got its house back in order > again, but it is TOO darn quiet. Let's try a rollcall and see what > happens. Tell us who you are looking for now, your brickwall, your > latest success, your questions, or whatever else my be on your mind, > genealogically speaking only. > >

Don, I am sure you know of the Kelly's from Tipperary Town. Right? Carmen D. Pittsburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "donkelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall >I am not actively researching ancestors from Tipperary, though we know that >in ancient times the O'Kelly and O'Brian Clans had occasional residences >there. > > So the rollcall will start things rolling again. I hope RW did good this > time. > > donkelly > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Smith" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:44:31 AM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall > > Hi Janet > > Not so much a roadblock but directions required. My mother and her two > sisters came over to England in the forties / fifties, and originate from > Nenagh, I would like to find out how to find thier birth records and hence > their parents marriage. > > Maureen Egan b. 02/10/1920 > Margaret Mary Egan b 26/05/1922 > Josephine Mary Egan b 07/11/1923 poss in Carrigatoher (if such a place > exists). > > Parents William Egan and Mary Whelan. > > Any pointers very much appreciated. > > Regards > > Simon > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, all! My Tipperary brick wall goes back a bit. I guess I'm lucky to know a region, at least, but someday I'd love to figure out a townland, too. 1. My great-great-grandfather, Martin Haigney, emigrated to the U.S. in about 1852, and  enlisted in the U.S. Army to serve at the federal arsenal in Watervliet, N.Y. Army enlistment records from 1854 list his birthplace only as "Tipperary, Ireland." He married Mary McMahon (or Mahon) in 1857. I have a newspaper article in which their oldest daughter is interviewed and says both of her parents were born in Tipperary. 2. I am also researching Patrick Haigney, who settled in Troy, N.Y. His Declaration of Intent says he emigrated in 1852 from Ireland, but does not specify any location. I believe he and Martin may be related. The surname has many possible spellings (i.e., Haighney, Heigney, Hagney, Higney, Hegney, etc.). Liz Haigney Lynch  (NJ, USA) >>>From: Janet Crawford <[email protected]> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Let's try a rollcall I've let the list get quiet while Rootsweb got its house back in order again, but it is TOO darn quiet. Let's try a rollcall and see what happens.<<<

I am a lurker. I just read and donât contribute. My gggrandparents and eight children came from Tipperary to Syracuse, NY (Geddes area) in 1863. The family name was Crough or Crowe or Croke or Crow (all versions used by family members at different times). I am told that one of the eight children was born in Ballyboy, Thurles, Upperchurch. They may have all been born there. I spend most of my genealogy time tracing their descendants in the US and have not yet made an attempt to locate them in Ireland. Father: Michael Crough b.1814 Mother: Margaret Hickey b. 1810 Children : Margaret b.1842 John b. 1845 Bridget b. May 1847 Dennis b. 1848 Nora or Hannorah b. 1850 Daniel b. 1851 Thomas M. b. 2 Feb 1852 Michael b.2 Jul 1854 All dates are approximate, but probably close to accurate. I would be interested if someone could steer me to a source for baptism records and the marriage record of Michael & Margaret. I would be interested in siblings of Michael Crough and Margaret Hickey and their parents. Thank you, Janet, and all the contributors for all the work you do. I have learned a great deal from your postings. Philip M. Maley

Irish Wit. A True Prophet. "How old are you, Pat" said a Clerk of Indictment to a Hibernian Convict at a late Assizes in ireland.? "Faith, Sir, I believe I'm pretty well as owld as ever I'll be, said Pat-and in good truth he was, as he was hanged on the Monday following. (Came across this in a book and thought it was funny. Mary. Not funny for Pat though.) -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 236 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message