Hi Kathleen My first relook would be what religion that early marriage was and if you can look at that record to see if he belonged to that church? It would eliminate a huge amount of looking if he happened to be C of I. Della Palmer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 1 August 2011 5:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Roll Call - John J. Ryan I have hesitated to write as I have so little information on my great-grandfather, John J. Ryan (John Joseph Ryan I believe is his full name). But since three of my sisters will visit Ireland in September, I thought I would send a query and see if anyone can help break through this solid brick wall. Family lore says that John was from Tipperary, Ireland (birth certificates of children say he was born in Ireland). I realize that with such a common name and no specific city, and no exact date of birth, it may be impossible to trace his lineage. (Another uncle thought he might have been from Cork, but he was relying on childhood memories, and most others in the family say Tipperary.) He may have had a sister, Mary, and a brother, or brother-in-law named Daniel, and possibly a nephew Tom. What we do know is that around 1888 he married Margaret (Maggie) McDonald [born February 12, 1867 in Canada). His first daughter was Mary Francis, born in Michigan (city not known) on December 12, 1889. The family later moved to Ironwood, MI where Grayce Helen was born on December 15, 1891, and John Andrew was born on June 5, 1894. Grayce was baptized at St. Ambrose Church in Ironwood. Her birth certificates state that John was a miner, but it is not known which mine he worked at. The family next moved to Butte, MT where John secured another mining job and his son Daniel Hennessy was born on January 16, 1895 . John died in 1900 and is buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery, part of Holy Cross Cemetery, in Butte, Montana, Silver Bow County, State of Montana, USA. His age at death was 46, which makes his birth year either 1853 or 1854. If anyone can offer any assistance, I will be extremely grateful. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Kindest regards, Kathleen Kelly New York, NY USA Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds reasonable to me. Carmen D., Pittsburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHILIP COLLINS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Re indexing. I think that we have to remember, that in Ireland during the 1800's, most people could neither read nor write. They did the best they could. Phil Collins, in Western Massachusetts, U.S.A. --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Kesa <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Kesa <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Re indexing. > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 7:32 PM > Hi Mary > > How damn inconsiderate of those who did the deciphering at > least if they > weren't sure they should have looked it up or asked > someone. > > Accuracy is so important to us when researching > > Kind Regards > Kesa > Brisbane (ex Tassy) > > >

Kathleen, If your gr-grandfather was a miner, he may well have worked in the mines around Silvermines in the North Riding, and he may have worked in the mines in Co. Cork as well. Please take a few minutes and search the archives for this list [link below] for miners, and also check the archives of the Waterford list at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-WATERFORD.html I know there is a good bit of information on miners there. Also check the archives of the Beara, Co. Cork list at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/IRL/Beara.html Miners went where there was work and were far more mobile than one would think. Janet On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:57 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I have hesitated to write as I have so little information on my > great-grandfather, John J. Ryan (John Joseph Ryan I believe is his full  name).  But > since three of my sisters will visit Ireland in September, I  thought I would > send a query and see if anyone can help break through  this solid brick > wall. > > Family lore says that John was from Tipperary, Ireland (birth certificates > of children say he was born in Ireland). I realize that with such a common > name  and no specific city, and no exact date of birth, it may be impossible > to trace  his lineage. (Another uncle thought he might have been from Cork, > but he was  relying on childhood memories, and most others in the family > say Tipperary.) He  may have had a sister, Mary, and a brother, or > brother-in-law named Daniel, and  possibly a nephew Tom. > > What we do know is that around 1888 he married Margaret (Maggie)  McDonald > [born February 12, 1867 in Canada).  His first daughter was Mary  Francis, > born in Michigan (city not known) on December 12, 1889.  The  family later > moved to Ironwood, MI where Grayce Helen was born on December 15,  1891, and > John Andrew was born on June 5, 1894.  Grayce was baptized  at St. Ambrose > Church in Ironwood.  Her birth certificates state that John  was a miner, but > it is not known which mine he worked at. > > The family next moved to Butte, MT where John secured another mining job > and his son Daniel Hennessy was born on January 16, 1895 . > > John died in 1900 and is buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery, part of  Holy > Cross Cemetery, in Butte, Montana, Silver Bow County, State of  Montana, USA. > His age at death was 46, which makes his birth  year either 1853 or 1854. > > If anyone can offer any assistance, I will be extremely grateful.   Thank > you in advance for your assistance. > > Kindest regards, > Kathleen Kelly > New York, NY USA > > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think that we have to remember, that in Ireland during the 1800's, most people could neither read nor write. They did the best they could.   Phil Collins, in Western Massachusetts, U.S.A. --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Kesa <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Kesa <[email protected]zemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Re indexing. > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 7:32 PM > Hi Mary > > How damn inconsiderate of those who did the deciphering at > least if they > weren't sure they should have looked it up or asked > someone. > > Accuracy is so important to us when researching > > Kind Regards > Kesa > Brisbane (ex Tassy) > >   > > I have been to a lot of places, but I have never been in > Cahoots. Apparently > you can't go there alone. You have to be in Cahoots with > someone. I've also > never been in Cognito, either. I hear no one recognizes you > there. I have > however, been in Sane. They don't have an airport, you have > to be driven > there. I've made several trips and am planning one in the > near future...;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Mary Heaphy > Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 6:31 PM > To: Tipperary, Irl; Tipperary, Co > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Re indexing. > > I've been doing some searching in the Irish Genealogy site > and I can't > believe how many, in my opinion, stupid mistakes they have > made in the > indexing. > http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ > Maher down as Maker. > Thurles down as Murles. > Holycross down as Holly Crop > Turtulla down as Jertulla. > Borrisokane down as Bernod Kane. > Carrick-on-Suir as Carrick-on-Quin. > Roscrea as Roserea. > Lismacue as Lisinacue. > Lemerak as Limerick. > Tipperary as Jipperary. > And thats only a few. How anyone could index Tipperary as > Jipperary is > unbelievable. Surely everybody in Ireland knows or should > know how to spell > it. > > >From the new Kerry Cemeteries site I only looked up two > and both were > indexed incorrectly. > My father-in-law is down as Murphy in the index, should be > Heaphy. > My mother-in-law is down as Healy in the index, should be > Heaphy as well. > > Thats today's rant over. > Cheers > Mary > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 306 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you > are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply > to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, > and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the > Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you > are replying and check the subject line. If you are on > Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat > the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will > be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the > Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

I have hesitated to write as I have so little information on my great-grandfather, John J. Ryan (John Joseph Ryan I believe is his full name). But since three of my sisters will visit Ireland in September, I thought I would send a query and see if anyone can help break through this solid brick wall. Family lore says that John was from Tipperary, Ireland (birth certificates of children say he was born in Ireland). I realize that with such a common name and no specific city, and no exact date of birth, it may be impossible to trace his lineage. (Another uncle thought he might have been from Cork, but he was relying on childhood memories, and most others in the family say Tipperary.) He may have had a sister, Mary, and a brother, or brother-in-law named Daniel, and possibly a nephew Tom. What we do know is that around 1888 he married Margaret (Maggie) McDonald [born February 12, 1867 in Canada). His first daughter was Mary Francis, born in Michigan (city not known) on December 12, 1889. The family later moved to Ironwood, MI where Grayce Helen was born on December 15, 1891, and John Andrew was born on June 5, 1894. Grayce was baptized at St. Ambrose Church in Ironwood. Her birth certificates state that John was a miner, but it is not known which mine he worked at. The family next moved to Butte, MT where John secured another mining job and his son Daniel Hennessy was born on January 16, 1895 . John died in 1900 and is buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery, part of Holy Cross Cemetery, in Butte, Montana, Silver Bow County, State of Montana, USA. His age at death was 46, which makes his birth year either 1853 or 1854. If anyone can offer any assistance, I will be extremely grateful. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Kindest regards, Kathleen Kelly New York, NY USA

Mary Forgot to say in earlier message. If you are looking in Kerry do you know that the Kerry burial Books from graveyards run by the Local Authorities are now online at www.kerrylaburials.ie I have found some of my families there Regards Clare On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Mary Heaphy <[email protected]> wrote: > Clare. > Actually I was searching Kerry records as my late husband was a Kerry man. > I > just then put Tipperary in the place name, no surname, a list of people > from > Tipperary came up. There were about 300 odd records. > Mary > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Clare Tuohy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Irl" > <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Co" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] [IRL-TIP] Re indexing. > > > > Mary > > I'm puzzled Why are you searching for Tipperary related items on > > www.irishgenealogy.ie ? I thought (and can only find) it only covered > > parish > > records for Dublin Kerry and part Cork but definitely nothing for > > Tipperary. > > Have I been missing a major source of information? > > > > Clare > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mary Heaphy" <[email protected]> > > To: "Tipperary, Irl" <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Co" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:30 AM > > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Re indexing. > > > > > >> I've been doing some searching in the Irish Genealogy site and I can't > >> believe how many, in my opinion, stupid mistakes they have made in the > >> indexing. > >> http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ > >> Maher down as Maker. > >> Thurles down as Murles. > >> Holycross down as Holly Crop > >> Turtulla down as Jertulla. > >> Borrisokane down as Bernod Kane. > >> Carrick-on-Suir as Carrick-on-Quin. > >> Roscrea as Roserea. > >> Lismacue as Lisinacue. > >> Lemerak as Limerick. > >> Tipperary as Jipperary. > >> And thats only a few. How anyone could index Tipperary as Jipperary is > >> unbelievable. Surely everybody in Ireland knows or should know how to > >> spell > >> it. > >> > >>>From the new Kerry Cemeteries site I only looked up two and both were > >> indexed incorrectly. > >> My father-in-law is down as Murphy in the index, should be Heaphy. > >> My mother-in-law is down as Healy in the index, should be Heaphy as > well. > >> > >> Thats today's rant over. > >> Cheers > >> Mary > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > >> SPAMfighter has removed 306 of my spam emails to date. > >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > >> > >> The Professional version does not have this message > >> > >> > >> IGP County Tipperary website: > >> http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > > SPAMfighter has removed 1405 of my spam emails to date. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > > > > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, > and > > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have just added the following civil parish tithe applotments to the County Tipperary sections of my website: Erry Civil Parish, South Riding Monsea Civil Parish, North Riding -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Mary That's very interesting - I'll have a look might find some surprises. Regards Clare On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Mary Heaphy <[email protected]> wrote: > Clare. > Actually I was searching Kerry records as my late husband was a Kerry man. > I > just then put Tipperary in the place name, no surname, a list of people > from > Tipperary came up. There were about 300 odd records. > Mary > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Clare Tuohy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Irl" > <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Co" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] [IRL-TIP] Re indexing. > > > > Mary > > I'm puzzled Why are you searching for Tipperary related items on > > www.irishgenealogy.ie ? I thought (and can only find) it only covered > > parish > > records for Dublin Kerry and part Cork but definitely nothing for > > Tipperary. > > Have I been missing a major source of information? > > > > Clare > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mary Heaphy" <[email protected]> > > To: "Tipperary, Irl" <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Co" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:30 AM > > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Re indexing. > > > > > >> I've been doing some searching in the Irish Genealogy site and I can't > >> believe how many, in my opinion, stupid mistakes they have made in the > >> indexing. > >> http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ > >> Maher down as Maker. > >> Thurles down as Murles. > >> Holycross down as Holly Crop > >> Turtulla down as Jertulla. > >> Borrisokane down as Bernod Kane. > >> Carrick-on-Suir as Carrick-on-Quin. > >> Roscrea as Roserea. > >> Lismacue as Lisinacue. > >> Lemerak as Limerick. > >> Tipperary as Jipperary. > >> And thats only a few. How anyone could index Tipperary as Jipperary is > >> unbelievable. Surely everybody in Ireland knows or should know how to > >> spell > >> it. > >> > >>>From the new Kerry Cemeteries site I only looked up two and both were > >> indexed incorrectly. > >> My father-in-law is down as Murphy in the index, should be Heaphy. > >> My mother-in-law is down as Healy in the index, should be Heaphy as > well. > >> > >> Thats today's rant over. > >> Cheers > >> Mary > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > >> SPAMfighter has removed 306 of my spam emails to date. > >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > >> > >> The Professional version does not have this message > >> > >> > >> IGP County Tipperary website: > >> http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > > SPAMfighter has removed 1405 of my spam emails to date. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > > > > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, > and > > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Clare. Actually I was searching Kerry records as my late husband was a Kerry man. I just then put Tipperary in the place name, no surname, a list of people from Tipperary came up. There were about 300 odd records. Mary ---- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Irl" <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Co" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] [IRL-TIP] Re indexing. > Mary > I'm puzzled Why are you searching for Tipperary related items on > www.irishgenealogy.ie ? I thought (and can only find) it only covered > parish > records for Dublin Kerry and part Cork but definitely nothing for > Tipperary. > Have I been missing a major source of information? > > Clare > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Heaphy" <[email protected]> > To: "Tipperary, Irl" <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Co" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:30 AM > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Re indexing. > > >> I've been doing some searching in the Irish Genealogy site and I can't >> believe how many, in my opinion, stupid mistakes they have made in the >> indexing. >> http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ >> Maher down as Maker. >> Thurles down as Murles. >> Holycross down as Holly Crop >> Turtulla down as Jertulla. >> Borrisokane down as Bernod Kane. >> Carrick-on-Suir as Carrick-on-Quin. >> Roscrea as Roserea. >> Lismacue as Lisinacue. >> Lemerak as Limerick. >> Tipperary as Jipperary. >> And thats only a few. How anyone could index Tipperary as Jipperary is >> unbelievable. Surely everybody in Ireland knows or should know how to >> spell >> it. >> >>>From the new Kerry Cemeteries site I only looked up two and both were >> indexed incorrectly. >> My father-in-law is down as Murphy in the index, should be Heaphy. >> My mother-in-law is down as Healy in the index, should be Heaphy as well. >> >> Thats today's rant over. >> Cheers >> Mary >> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 306 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> IGP County Tipperary website: >> http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 1405 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary I'm puzzled Why are you searching for Tipperary related items on www.irishgenealogy.ie ? I thought (and can only find) it only covered parish records for Dublin Kerry and part Cork but definitely nothing for Tipperary. Have I been missing a major source of information? Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <[email protected]> To: "Tipperary, Irl" <[email protected]>; "Tipperary, Co" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:30 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Re indexing. > I've been doing some searching in the Irish Genealogy site and I can't > believe how many, in my opinion, stupid mistakes they have made in the > indexing. > http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ > Maher down as Maker. > Thurles down as Murles. > Holycross down as Holly Crop > Turtulla down as Jertulla. > Borrisokane down as Bernod Kane. > Carrick-on-Suir as Carrick-on-Quin. > Roscrea as Roserea. > Lismacue as Lisinacue. > Lemerak as Limerick. > Tipperary as Jipperary. > And thats only a few. How anyone could index Tipperary as Jipperary is > unbelievable. Surely everybody in Ireland knows or should know how to > spell > it. > >>From the new Kerry Cemeteries site I only looked up two and both were > indexed incorrectly. > My father-in-law is down as Murphy in the index, should be Heaphy. > My mother-in-law is down as Healy in the index, should be Heaphy as well. > > Thats today's rant over. > Cheers > Mary > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 306 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > IGP County Tipperary website: > http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1405 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I've been doing some searching in the Irish Genealogy site and I can't believe how many, in my opinion, stupid mistakes they have made in the indexing. http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ Maher down as Maker. Thurles down as Murles. Holycross down as Holly Crop Turtulla down as Jertulla. Borrisokane down as Bernod Kane. Carrick-on-Suir as Carrick-on-Quin. Roscrea as Roserea. Lismacue as Lisinacue. Lemerak as Limerick. Tipperary as Jipperary. And thats only a few. How anyone could index Tipperary as Jipperary is unbelievable. Surely everybody in Ireland knows or should know how to spell it. >From the new Kerry Cemeteries site I only looked up two and both were indexed incorrectly. My father-in-law is down as Murphy in the index, should be Heaphy. My mother-in-law is down as Healy in the index, should be Heaphy as well. Thats today's rant over. Cheers Mary -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 306 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

To those researching ROE. In a recent discussion with a 3rd cousin, she mentioned that the Landholder where her ancestors lived at the time of the 1901 Census was W. L. Roe, Surg. Genl. The location of the property was Loran, Bourney East, Roscrea, Tipperary (North Riding). Property occupants listed on the Census Form B. 1. are; John Peterson, Martin Maher, Anne Leahy, Susan Gorman, Timothy Delaney and Patk Treacy. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:51:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Roll Call - ROE, SHORTT, BRADSHAW, FRY > > > Dear Allison,I know you posted some time ago but I am just now getting to my e-mail. When we were in Tipperary several years ago we met Eugene Short in Thurles. He is a lovely man and was very helpful to me in searching for our Ryan's. He even found the home that my husband's great grandmother lived in, which is still standing. He may be part of your Shortt family and I will be happy to give you his address if you would e-mail me at my personal e-mail. Anita Hayes > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:40:53 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Roll Call - ROE, SHORTT, BRADSHAW, FRY > > > > Hi all - I too am a lurker. I enjoy reading other people's posts, but being > > bogged down with trying to tidy up my own numerous notes and bits of trees, > > I have not been able to offer any assistance or help or ideas to anyone. > > > > >

Dear Allison,I know you posted some time ago but I am just now getting to my e-mail. When we were in Tipperary several years ago we met Eugene Short in Thurles. He is a lovely man and was very helpful to me in searching for our Ryan's. He even found the home that my husband's great grandmother lived in, which is still standing. He may be part of your Shortt family and I will be happy to give you his address if you would e-mail me at my personal e-mail. Anita Hayes > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:40:53 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Roll Call - ROE, SHORTT, BRADSHAW, FRY > > Hi all - I too am a lurker. I enjoy reading other people's posts, but being > bogged down with trying to tidy up my own numerous notes and bits of trees, > I have not been able to offer any assistance or help or ideas to anyone. > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alison, I have the Bradshaw RC records for Pallas if those will help you at all. They would also be your relatives as of some unknown date. Despite having about 100 pages on Roe, I don't have the Laois records and would love to supplement that file. When you have time, contact me directly and we can trade info. Janet On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Al Mo <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all - I too am a lurker.  I enjoy reading other people's posts, but being > bogged down with trying to tidy up my own numerous notes and bits of trees, > I have not been able to offer any assistance or help or ideas to anyone. > There are some supremely talented and knowledgeable people on this site - > well done to all of you.  Most of my Roe clan lived in co Laois, but they > are related to the ones who lived around Tipperary town and Cashel - many > generations ago. I think Janet has done some work for a distant cousin of > mine in California - think we worked out to be about 8th cousins. > My Shortt and Bradshaw ancestors lived at Pallas, near Toomevara in early > 1800s, and I would love to know if anyone has any connections. They would > have been C of I (as are the Roe clan). > The Fry family that I am seeking is Rev. William Baker Fry (1788 -1876) and > his wife Jane Anne Roe (1796-1875).  He was originally from Boyle, Co > Roscommon and she was from near Rathdowney, Co Laois.  They had a pile of > children and we have been able to trace some of the lines, but there are > sure to be some others that lay undiscovered. Thanks for any help. > Regards Alison > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all - I too am a lurker. I enjoy reading other people's posts, but being bogged down with trying to tidy up my own numerous notes and bits of trees, I have not been able to offer any assistance or help or ideas to anyone. There are some supremely talented and knowledgeable people on this site - well done to all of you. Most of my Roe clan lived in co Laois, but they are related to the ones who lived around Tipperary town and Cashel - many generations ago. I think Janet has done some work for a distant cousin of mine in California - think we worked out to be about 8th cousins. My Shortt and Bradshaw ancestors lived at Pallas, near Toomevara in early 1800s, and I would love to know if anyone has any connections. They would have been C of I (as are the Roe clan). The Fry family that I am seeking is Rev. William Baker Fry (1788 -1876) and his wife Jane Anne Roe (1796-1875). He was originally from Boyle, Co Roscommon and she was from near Rathdowney, Co Laois. They had a pile of children and we have been able to trace some of the lines, but there are sure to be some others that lay undiscovered. Thanks for any help. Regards Alison

Rec'd about 3 hours ago. Carmen D. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Chicago" <[email protected]>; "Cook" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:21 PM Subject: [IRISH-IN-CHICAGO] Irish certificates of heritage to be to rolled out in October (Certs available to millions who claim Irish heritage abroad) > > > According to Irish Central.com Staff writer Antoinette Kelly, > > > > The Irish government has confirmed it will finally introduce a new > “Certificate of Irish Heritage” for the diaspora in October. > > The certificate will be available to people with Irish heritage around the > world, who do not qualify for Irish citizenship. > > Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Eamon Gilmore said in a > statement said the certificates will “give official recognition to the > many people worldwide who are conscious of their Irish heritage and feel a > strong affinity for Ireland. > > > > “I believe that the scheme will provide a practical demonstration of the > inclusive approach adopted by successive Governments to our diaspora.” > > “It will not, however, confer any citizenship or other legal rights or > entitlements to the successful applicants,” he added. > > Applicants will be required to submit details of their ancestral > connections along with the relevant documentation. > > “It is expected that the scheme will be operational by October,” the > Minister added. > > Irish company FEXCO based in Kerry has been awarded the rights to produce > and market the certificate. > > > > Labour TD Gerald Nash welcomed the move, stating the programme was “an > appropriate and meaningful way” to recognise those who are not Irish > citizens, “yet have a wish to have their Irish connections and heritage > acknowledged by the State.” He stated that he expects “significant > economic, social and cultural benefits will accrue” from the certificates. > > > > See > http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-certificates-of-heritage-to-be-to-rolled-out-in-October-125605493.html > for further details. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

  My Kearns of Ninemilehouse/Grangemockler   Patrick Kerns B abt 1800 D 1864 Of Ninemilehouse  possibly the same person Patrick Carn Ninemilehouse in 1833 Tithe book. Surname Kerns mispelt by Griffiths corrected to Kearns by GRO Dublin 1858. Spouse Maria Kelly B abt 1805 D aft 1839. Their children.. Thomas Kearns B abt 1829 (aged 35 on M cert 1864). D 1883 Grange. Michael Kearns B 4 July 39 Ninemilehouse. D Unknown.   Thomas married Margaret Dargan daughter of Patrick Dargan of Garrangibbon Grangemockler Feb 4 1864. Their children.. Patrick B 12 April 1865 Ninemilehouse. John B 29 Dec 1866 Ninemilehouse D after 1911. Michael B 10 May 1868 Ninemilehouse D 19 Dec 1935 Tinlough. Married Mary Hanrahan (see Hanrahans) Marian/Maria B 14 Nov 1869 Ninemilehouse. Thomas B 17 Sept 1871 Ninemilehouse D 10 Dec 1872. Johana B 5 July 1873 Grangemockler D 19 Dec 1891 Castlejohn. Margaret B 28 April 1875 Grangemockler D after 1911. Alice B 18 Feb 1878 Grangemockler D after 1920. Catherine B 25 May 1881 Grange D after 1920. Married Patrick Hanrahan (see Hanrahans)   Children of Michael Kearns and Mary Hanrahan (my grandparents). Thomas B 3 Apr 1903 D 10 Aug 1957 at Tinlough Ninemilehouse. Michael B 15 Sept 1906 D 19 June 1963 at Tinlough. Margaret B 10 April 1907 D 28 Sept 1945 Birmingham UK. Patrick B 17 Dec 1911 D 30 Jan 1974 at Tinlough. Bridget B 4 Oct 1913 D 10 July 1967 Edgeware Middx UK. Christopher Stephen B 25 Dec 1915 D 16 Dec 1977 London UK. (my Father) Mary B 26 April 1919 D 15 June 2006 Rugby UK. Regards Mick Kearns

Hello Della, I have never come across Kairn or Kairns in any of my Kearns research and I do not know of any Kearns connections outside Tipp. I had a quick look on  IFHF for Kairn and Kairns  got following results.  All Counties - exact spelling search - Kairn (1) Kairns (22).Some of these are in Co Wicklow. All Counties - Standard Surname search - (6550) the vast majority of these 6550 are Kearns so IFHF consider Kairn Kairns derivatives of the standard surname Kearns which explains your findings in Victoria.These variations  usually occur through pronunciation. My family have always pronounced Kearns as "Kerns" but others have pronounced  it as Cairns/Kairns or K(ear)ns many many times resulting in it being written incorrectly. I will post my Kearns Roll-call as a seperate email. Good Luck Mick Kearns ----- Original Message ----- From: Della Palmer <[email protected]>To: [email protected] Cc: nk Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011, 23:21 Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Hanrahan This message is for Michael Kearns. I am researching Hanrahan's in Victoria Australia.n Hence reading your message. This lead me to a marriage to the KAIRN family who immigrated with the name KAIRNS And I have just found the 2nd Great grandfather was christened as Michael KEARNS 1825 in Wicklow. As this is the exact spelling of your name I am wondering if there was any connection? He seemed to have a brother Francis who kept spelling his name KEARNS, 9 children born in Wicklow. None of the large family in Australia spell their name this way!!!! Love to hear your thoughts on this. Della Palmer Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This message is for Michael Kearns. I am researching Hanrahan's in Victoria Australia. Hence reading your message. This lead me to a marriage to the KAIRN family who immigrated with the name KAIRNS And I have just found the 2nd Great grandfather was christened as Michael KEARNS 1825 in Wicklow. As this is the exact spelling of your name I am wondering if there was any connection? He seemed to have a brother Francis who kept spelling his name KEARNS, 9 children born in Wicklow. None of the large family in Australia spell their name this way!!!! Love to hear your thoughts on this. Della Palmer

It might be helpful  to add that Andrew & Catherine Ryan Hogan  settled in Greece, Monroe Co. NY near Lake Ontario in 1849.  They are buried there in Mother of Sorrows Cemetery. Elaine Farnan Hall [email protected]