Shirley, This is worth a try. The Ryan Rody's are from Kilcommon. If there is a chance your Denis Ryan might also be, then - Contact Tom Ryan in Ireland at 01-8453834 or 086-1579266. He seems to have done a lot of research on the Ryan's of this area. Janet On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Shirley Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > My g.g.grandfather Denis RYAN married Winifred CAREY/CAREW at Kilcommon, Tipperary in 1829. Known children were Patrick b.1830, Mary > b.1832, Thomas b.1833 and Margaret b.1836. > > Witnesses at the marriage of Denis and Winifred were: James CAREW and Patrick RYAN. > > Sponsors for the children's baptisms at Coonmore, Kilcommon, Tipperary were: > Jerry CAREW, Johanna CAREW, Josey CAREW, Margaret CAREW and Julian CAREY. Also Hugh RYAN, James RYAN and Patt RYAN. > > Thomas b.1833 came to Australia and married Elizabeth FLYNN in Kilmore, Vic. in 1866.  They had 11 children:  Winifred, Mary, Denis, Thomas, Michael, Patrick, Elizabeth, Bridget, Margaret, John and James. > > Cheers, > > Shirley > > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Patrick Bernard HAYES, b-1857 Clonmel. Parents-Michael F + Judith DRISLANE Lived on Johnson St. He had 2 sisters {that i'm aware of} Mary, b. 1864; Bridget, b. 1866. Patrick emigrated to Massachuasetts 1881, married Ellen (Nellie) Meskill 1889. I believe Nellie was also from Tipperary, the daughter of Bartholomew MESKILL + Mary KENNEDY. I know of only 1 sister, Catherine-who also emigrated to Mass & married Dennis TOOMEY. I would like to know more about the Parents & siblings of Pat & Nellie. thanks , Cal

Yes, Jeanne, but you should put your message into the body of the e-mail and not on the subject line. Janet On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:11 AM, ALAN JEAN PRATT <[email protected]> wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:28:07 +0100 > From: Janet Crawford <[email protected]> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Rollcall > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > If you happen to belong to both Tipperary lists and Christina's > message confused you yesterday, her list (IRL) is NOT having a > rollcall, but this list CoTipperary IS having a general rollcall plus > questions on Tipperary genealogy. We have heard from few of our > subbers so far, and I would love to hear from some of the lurkers who > are shy to post. > This is also giving me a chance to straighten out some of the old > subscription and SORBS problems, so the more people that post a > message, the better. > > Janet > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Grandfather Edmund Walsh M Ellen Maher, left Ireland in 1927 for Long Island New York. Grandfather was RIC. After 10 trips to Ireland I've found no family there, nor any graves. I have been lucky enough to find cousins in Manchester, England where my grand uncle moved when he left the RIC. I have been searching for family members here in the US with no luck. I believe there are still Walshes in the Long Island area that are part of my family. Walsh and Maher are such common names that and yes, I've searched alternate spellings. Erin O'Mara (Walsh)-James

Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:28:07 +0100 From: Janet Crawford <[email protected]> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Rollcall To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you happen to belong to both Tipperary lists and Christina's message confused you yesterday, her list (IRL) is NOT having a rollcall, but this list CoTipperary IS having a general rollcall plus questions on Tipperary genealogy. We have heard from few of our subbers so far, and I would love to hear from some of the lurkers who are shy to post. This is also giving me a chance to straighten out some of the old subscription and SORBS problems, so the more people that post a message, the better. Janet

Hi List, Michael Hally married Catherine English about 1815. They had 13 children (I have 11 baptismal records) Newcastle Parish, Aughvanlomaun. Ellen b 1816 m Michael Powers in Ireland; Mary b 1819 m unknown Ryan; Honora b 1821 m Garrett Nugent; Edmund/Edward b 1822 m Mary Kiely; Michael b 1814 m Mary Holley in Wisconsin; Brigid b 1826 m Michael Hall in Wisconsin; Margaret b 1826 m unknown Cornin; Catherine b 1828 m Christopher Mahon; David b 1830 b Margarette Sheridan from County Wexford; John b 1832 died on ship; Thomas b 1834 m Mary Greigg or Craig; Patrick b unknown died in NY before 1855; and William b unknown remained in Ireland. John Kiely m Bridget Foley in Ireland - I have not found them either in Ireland or Wisconsin. Their daughter Mary married Edward Hally. They are my gg grandparents. Sandy

Emly has won the award for the Tidiest village for the 2nd time. Do not ask which team won the Hurling match. Janet

It was a tough loss. The strength of both teams is pointing to a rematch next September. Carmen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Off-topic > Emly has won the award for the Tidiest village for the 2nd time. > > Do not ask which team won the Hurling match. > > Janet > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tipperary listers might like to know that Nick Reddan's Registry of Deeds Index Project has now produced 70,000 index records from 9, 000 memorials. Roger Depper will be interested to hear that the index, at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~registryofdeeds/index.html now lists eight Lockwood deeds (and eight Carden ones). Arthur Carden of Horsham, England From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Registry of Deeds Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:11:40 -0800 Arthur, there is a mailing list where all the contributors and Nick Reddan is the list admin. It is a good list because people on it are very knowledgeable about the deeds. Plus, did you know they have been filmed by the Family History Library? http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-DEEDS.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Darn right, Carmen. The game is Sunday. The whole county is now decked out in gold and blue and the match is the first topic of conversation. The tension is palpable. Janet On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Carmen DiGiacomo <[email protected]> wrote: > UP TIPP! > > Carmen-Pittsburgh > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

UP TIPP! Carmen-Pittsburgh

Hello Tippers! A Declaration of Intent was usually the first papers to be filed by those who wished to become U.S. citizens and may be the only public record of an individual immigrant, it is a significant source of documentation for genealogists and scholars. The Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County Archives (includes Chicago) has a on-line database of more than 400,000 Declarations of Intention were submitted between 1906-1929. http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/NR/default.aspx I entered Tipperary in the "Birth Town" and Ireland in the "Birth Country" search boxes, 437 entries came up. Tipperary County was the common "Town" entry, but many had Parish or Registration District names. Entering only Ireland, 19,130 names were returned! This will work with any Town and County an immigrant came from who made the Declaration of Intent with the Circuit Court of Cook County between 1906-1929. The detail information provided is: First Name; Last Name; Birth Date; Birth City; Departed from; Arrived Date; Current Address; Occupation; Decl Date; Decl #; Vol; & Pg. The Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County Archives is home to more than 500,000 naturalization petitions covering the years 1871 to 1929. Hope someone finds something! Ed Madden Ridgefield, WA

In John Grenham's weekly genealogy column in today's Irish Times, he mentions a Peter Clarke, an amateur genealogist, who has compiled a list of books of Irish genealogical interest. The list contains over 400 titles and from a first glance, looks interesting. It is at: http://freeirishgenebooks.blogspot.com/ Happy reading! Peter

Thank you Peter for this wonderful link. Very interesting books that should keep me busy and hopefully knock down some brick walls. Jane Burke, O'Donnell, Nowlan In John Grenham's weekly genealogy column in today's Irish Times, he mentions a Peter Clarke, an amateur genealogist, who has compiled a list of books of Irish genealogical interest. The list contains over 400 titles and from a first glance, looks interesting. It is at: http://freeirishgenebooks.blogspot.com/ Happy reading! Peter Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In response to the following post, I'm replying that my g-grandfather born in Limerick, David McAuliffe's eldest daughter Catherine b. 1857 in Normanby Twp, Ontario, married Michael Daniel McGrath, b. 1855 in Glenelg, Twp. s/o John McGrath and Bridget Kearns, birthdates & places in Ireland unknown. I don't have additional children other than Michael Dan, however his and Catherine (Kate's) children were Mary, John David, Michael Dan, Thomas, Nellie and Mary Jane (Manie). All were born in Glenelg, Twp., Grey County, Ontario, Canada, with a full down-line from there. Andy McAuliffe, Kitchener, ON. Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:00 AM Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 143 > 1. Researching McGrath's in Bourney. Possible given names of: > Patrick, Catherine, Michael, James, Daniel, Thomas, Mary > ([email protected])

Jeanne, Hard to say. Tracey is a very common name in Co Tipperary. I have been researching only one family in Roscrea and Bourney. There are also several Killea's in Tipperary, at least three in North Riding. Would need more info to see if there is a link; first names, date of immigration, family still in Co Tipperary, Barony, Parish, Townland, etc. I will pass this on to Tess to see if it rings any bells. John > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:31:51 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Researching Keary/Carey, Treacy/Tracy/Tracey > > I am also researching Tracey's. My Tracey's are from Killea in Tipperary. > > Any connections??? > > Jeanne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:00:52 AM > Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 139 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Part 1 - Researching Keary/Carey, Treacy/Tracy, > McDoole/McDuell - From Helotes, Texas to London, Dublin, Roscrea > and Bourney - THE TRIP (John Carey) > 2. Re: (no subject) (Jerry Kelly) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:11:10 -0500 > From: John Carey <[email protected]> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Part 1 - Researching Keary/Carey, Treacy/Tracy, > McDoole/McDuell - From Helotes, Texas to London, Dublin, Roscrea and > Bourney - THE TRIP > To: Rootsweb COTIPPERARY <[email protected]>, Rootsweb GENIRE > <[email protected]>, Rootsweb NYNIAGAR <[email protected]>, > Rootsweb COPUEBLO <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last spring I requested advice on making a research trip to Ireland (County Tipperary). THANKS to all who responded. In that it served as a mini family reunion of two retired couples (one from Australia) and a working couple, it resulted in a high season tourist and research coordination challenge. This message, Part 1 of 3, is intended to cover the physical trip. Part 2 will address the research effort. Part 3 provides background on the families I am researching. > My more recent/normal mode of travel has been Military Space A(vailable). Lessons learned from that were very helpful on this trip. Pack light (7 days max). Pack small (carry-on bag in overhead and soft bag at feet). Dress in layers. A cold wind will blow and you will get rained on, even in July. Bring a poncho/umbrella. Trying to schedule three couples is worst than herding cats. At current exchange rates (July 2011) London and Ireland are EXPENSIVE. Expect to pay big US city prices multiplied by the county's exchange rate. Recommend that you eat your main meal mid-day. Go light in the evening. Be prepared to WALK. Plan on flight delays if travelling through major US hub airports. > If the objective was Irish research, why London? The working couple had not traveled in Europe before. The Aussie couple had lived in London at one time and made excellent guides. This was our second trip to London and Ireland (First trip, April 2008, with our married children). > Lodging. Research on the internet for type, price and location. After you have narrowed it down to a few, recommend you call direct to see if there are any "changes" that will help in your decision. Some may even negotiate a better price if you book direct. A/C is limited. When a washer/dryer is included don't count on things getting dry. Could it be that the dryers don't have an outside vent? Use 'Street View' in Google Maps to check out the neighborhood. In London, recommend you locate within a few blocks of a Tube (subway) station. We purchased a seven day OYSTER Pass. It paid for itself on trip in from Heathrow (verses taxi). Large suitcases are a hassle on the tube, even with the upgrading of the escalators. Look for corner grocery stores for breakfast foods, fresh fruits, drinks, etc. In Dublin, Dublin 1 Apartments, Abbey St, one block from the Halfpenny Bridge. Dated, with a few issues, but adequate. Good access to Temple Bar, historical sites, museums ! > and research facilities. Also Ripley Court Hotel, Talbot St. One block from Bus Terminal (for bus to Ferry Port). It appears as if nothing opens in Dublin, to include coffee shops, until 9 AM. Roscrea. Rackethall Country House was outstanding. Upgrade to include breakfast. It was worth it! Their lunch buffet is good also. > Transportation. London. Oyster, Oyster, Oyster. Tube, Tube, Tube. It also is good on buses. Don't forget to return the card for refund of deposit at the end of your trip. To Dublin. Irish Rail - Ferry. Reserve your seat on the rail portion as it can be crowded/overbooked. The trip takes most of the day, but it gives you a great view of the country side. Even saw sheep grazing on a golf course, to include on the greens. Be aware/prepared for rough seas that can cause delay/cancellation of ferry crossing. In Dublin. Good public transportation or walk, walk, walk. Touring, with Roscrea as a base. We elected to rent a 9 pax van. Smart move if you can stand white knuckles on the old/narrow/back roads. The recent upgrades to the main highways (Dublin Loop and to Roscrea) were a welcome improvement. We were fortunate that we had an Aussie driver. The yanks worked the GPS (another smart move) and/or held our breath with each approaching vehicle. Our next trip may! > be a little more challenging in that the rental company initially would not rent the van to anyone over 70. A request to the home office waved it to 75. Roscrea. Walkable. > Touring. Plan on at least a half a day, after admittance, for each attraction. London. There is so much to do here that you need to set your own priorities. A few things that we did not see/do on our last trip are: Take the (free) guided walking tour of the Tower of London. In particular, the presentation of the Crown Jewels is impressive; Walk the London Bridge, from the Monument to Southwark Cathedral, Clink Prison, Shakespeare's Globe and the Millenium Bridge. Relax at the Old Thameside Pub; The Temple Church (if your are interested in the Knights Templar); Take in a show on the East End. We saw 'The Million Dollar Quartet'. Awesome. Would go to see again; Westminster Abbey. Use the self guided audio tour. See if you can find the marker for the 152 year old man; Attend a service (free) at St. Paul's Cathedral. Had hoped to eat at the food court at Harrods, but it was undergoing restoration. Ended up at a great little Lebenese shop (Al Arez) across the stree! > t. Spend some time in the front seats on the top of a double deck bus. Enjoy the pub's. Dublin. Again, more than enough to do so set your own priorities, just don't expect to get anything done before 9 AM. Try to visit the Books of Kell at a time when the crowd is at a minimum. Space at each exhibit can be limited and acoustics are not the best. The National Archaeology Museum, across the courtyard from the National Library, is well worth a visit. Try the Duke Pub for lunch. Two 'restored churches' are worth the visit; the Church Bar and Grill and the Dublin Visitor's Center. Recommend the train/rail ride to Howth, a quaint fishing village. Several cute shops and restaurants. Check out the Cock Pub just above the old church/graveyard. Mid-Ireland, however you define it. Boyne Valley/Newgrange. Prehistoric tomb. How did they move the stones to build it??? Blarney Castle. Even if you don't have Irish Roots you need to kiss the Stone. If you are Irish, take t! > he side trip to Cork and tour the Jameson Distillery. Volunteer to be > a taster. Be generous and let others in your party get a sip from each sample. Our trip to the Cliffs of Moher was made even more interesting by heading north out of Roscrea to Birr and then heading west. From the back seat of the van one would think you were going years and years back in time. The two lane roads got progressively narrower; the shoulders disappearing; the hedges/stone fences denser and higher and, in places, the center stripe disappeared. In the front seat, the GPS was invaluable (helps in keeping your head down so you didn't have to look at the on-coming traffic). A Texaco gas station's two pumps were in the sidewalk, causing the van to sit in the on-coming traffic lane. It was hard to imagine that this is the normal, day to day, driving conditions in much of Ireland. Loved it. The Cliffs were a disappointment, because of the weather. Heavy mist and strong, cold winds. The only way to get a good picture was to take pictures of the slide shows in t! > he visitors center. Never the less, the Cliffs were memorable. A short drive to Spanish Point brought us to the Armada Hotel and an excellent buffet lunch. While planing our trip we were highly disappointed on the lack of information in popular Tourist Guides on sights to visit in County Tipperary and vicinity. Roscrea, despite its rich religious heritage and the presence of the Damer House Heritage Center, is hardly even mentioned. It, in turn, is not tourism oriented. There is an excellent map of the area posted outside the Damer House. When I inquired as to where I might get a copy, I was told that it was not available as it was "out of print". There are also signs for the Roscrea Heritage Trail. Unfortunately, I was also unable to locate a map of the Trail. We day-toured out of Killarney on our 2008 trip. The Dingle Peninsula and Ring of Kerry are a tourist's shopping haven. Not so Roscrea. No shirts, hats or mementos with a Roscrea/Tipperary theme to be found! > (except for a ball and marker at the golf course). None the less, it > was a great town to walk and the people most friendly and helpful in our research efforts. The St. Cronan churches, Church of Ireland and Roman Catholic, were awesome. The RC sanctuary was undergoing renovation. We look forward to seeing it again when it is completed. Had my first pint of Guinness at O'Rourke's Pub on Rosemary Square. It does taste better in Ireland. Also had an excellent dinner at the White House Inn. Bourney. Cournaganeen/Gortneskehy/Gortderryboy/Derrymore. The drive down the single lane farm roads through these townlands challenged the imagination as to the conditions that our ancestors faced as they fought to live in the mid 1800's. The ruins of the old church at Cournaganeen were especially nostalgic. The commemoration stained glass windows in the new Church identified many current family names that can be found in the earliest Church records. The small communities shown on the Griffiths Valuation now exist only as large open fields. The roa! > d to Derrymore turned into a gravel path that lead to a working peat field. The piles of drying bricks being loaded into the trunk of cars were a reminder that it continues to be as much a staple as it was when our g-g grandfathers worked the fields of Roscrea and Bourney. Templemore. One of the highlights of our trip was a visit with cousin (3rd), Tess, and her husband Tim, in their home (more in Part 2). Their recollections of growing up in the vicinity/Couraganeen Church has given added depth to our family background. The evening was capped off with an exceptional dinner at Murphys Pub in downtown Templemore. You'll never plow a field by turning it over in your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:01:10 -0400 > From: "Jerry Kelly" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] (no subject) > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > R?: T?bhacht Ghinealais / Importance of Genealogy > > A chairde, > > Scr?obh m? alt gearr le d?ana? ar th?bhacht ghinealais i socha? Ghaelach. > Is f?idir ? a fh?il ag: / I wrote a short article recently about the > importance of genealogy in Gaelic society. You can find it at: > > http://www.irishtribes.com/article-importance-of-genealogy-master.html > > Iarrfaidh m? alt a scr?obh ar Sheanchas timpieall gach c?pla seachtain. / > I?ll try to write an article on Seanchas every couple of weeks. > > Go raibh s? sin cabhrach. / Hope that will be helpful. > > Le gach dea-ghu? / Best, > Jerry > > Treibheanna ?ireannacha > www.irishtribes.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 139 > ******************************************* > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. 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I am also researching Tracey's. My Tracey's are from Killea in Tipperary. Any connections??? Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 2:00:52 AM Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 139 Today's Topics: 1. Part 1 - Researching Keary/Carey, Treacy/Tracy, McDoole/McDuell - From Helotes, Texas to London, Dublin, Roscrea and Bourney - THE TRIP (John Carey) 2. Re: (no subject) (Jerry Kelly) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:11:10 -0500 From: John Carey <[email protected]> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Part 1 - Researching Keary/Carey, Treacy/Tracy, McDoole/McDuell - From Helotes, Texas to London, Dublin, Roscrea and Bourney - THE TRIP To: Rootsweb COTIPPERARY <[email protected]>, Rootsweb GENIRE <[email protected]>, Rootsweb NYNIAGAR <[email protected]>, Rootsweb COPUEBLO <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last spring I requested advice on making a research trip to Ireland (County Tipperary). THANKS to all who responded. In that it served as a mini family reunion of two retired couples (one from Australia) and a working couple, it resulted in a high season tourist and research coordination challenge. This message, Part 1 of 3, is intended to cover the physical trip. Part 2 will address the research effort. Part 3 provides background on the families I am researching. My more recent/normal mode of travel has been Military Space A(vailable). Lessons learned from that were very helpful on this trip. Pack light (7 days max). Pack small (carry-on bag in overhead and soft bag at feet). Dress in layers. A cold wind will blow and you will get rained on, even in July. Bring a poncho/umbrella. Trying to schedule three couples is worst than herding cats. At current exchange rates (July 2011) London and Ireland are EXPENSIVE. Expect to pay big US city prices multiplied by the county's exchange rate. Recommend that you eat your main meal mid-day. Go light in the evening. Be prepared to WALK. Plan on flight delays if travelling through major US hub airports. If the objective was Irish research, why London? The working couple had not traveled in Europe before. The Aussie couple had lived in London at one time and made excellent guides. This was our second trip to London and Ireland (First trip, April 2008, with our married children). Lodging. Research on the internet for type, price and location. After you have narrowed it down to a few, recommend you call direct to see if there are any "changes" that will help in your decision. Some may even negotiate a better price if you book direct. A/C is limited. When a washer/dryer is included don't count on things getting dry. Could it be that the dryers don't have an outside vent? Use 'Street View' in Google Maps to check out the neighborhood. In London, recommend you locate within a few blocks of a Tube (subway) station. We purchased a seven day OYSTER Pass. It paid for itself on trip in from Heathrow (verses taxi). Large suitcases are a hassle on the tube, even with the upgrading of the escalators. Look for corner grocery stores for breakfast foods, fresh fruits, drinks, etc. In Dublin, Dublin 1 Apartments, Abbey St, one block from the Halfpenny Bridge. Dated, with a few issues, but adequate. Good access to Temple Bar, historical sites, museums ! and research facilities. Also Ripley Court Hotel, Talbot St. One block from Bus Terminal (for bus to Ferry Port). It appears as if nothing opens in Dublin, to include coffee shops, until 9 AM. Roscrea. Rackethall Country House was outstanding. Upgrade to include breakfast. It was worth it! Their lunch buffet is good also. Transportation. London. Oyster, Oyster, Oyster. Tube, Tube, Tube. It also is good on buses. Don't forget to return the card for refund of deposit at the end of your trip. To Dublin. Irish Rail - Ferry. Reserve your seat on the rail portion as it can be crowded/overbooked. The trip takes most of the day, but it gives you a great view of the country side. Even saw sheep grazing on a golf course, to include on the greens. Be aware/prepared for rough seas that can cause delay/cancellation of ferry crossing. In Dublin. Good public transportation or walk, walk, walk. Touring, with Roscrea as a base. We elected to rent a 9 pax van. Smart move if you can stand white knuckles on the old/narrow/back roads. The recent upgrades to the main highways (Dublin Loop and to Roscrea) were a welcome improvement. We were fortunate that we had an Aussie driver. The yanks worked the GPS (another smart move) and/or held our breath with each approaching vehicle. Our next trip may! be a little more challenging in that the rental company initially would not rent the van to anyone over 70. A request to the home office waved it to 75. Roscrea. Walkable. Touring. Plan on at least a half a day, after admittance, for each attraction. London. There is so much to do here that you need to set your own priorities. A few things that we did not see/do on our last trip are: Take the (free) guided walking tour of the Tower of London. In particular, the presentation of the Crown Jewels is impressive; Walk the London Bridge, from the Monument to Southwark Cathedral, Clink Prison, Shakespeare's Globe and the Millenium Bridge. Relax at the Old Thameside Pub; The Temple Church (if your are interested in the Knights Templar); Take in a show on the East End. We saw 'The Million Dollar Quartet'. Awesome. Would go to see again; Westminster Abbey. Use the self guided audio tour. See if you can find the marker for the 152 year old man; Attend a service (free) at St. Paul's Cathedral. Had hoped to eat at the food court at Harrods, but it was undergoing restoration. Ended up at a great little Lebenese shop (Al Arez) across the stree! t. Spend some time in the front seats on the top of a double deck bus. Enjoy the pub's. Dublin. Again, more than enough to do so set your own priorities, just don't expect to get anything done before 9 AM. Try to visit the Books of Kell at a time when the crowd is at a minimum. Space at each exhibit can be limited and acoustics are not the best. The National Archaeology Museum, across the courtyard from the National Library, is well worth a visit. Try the Duke Pub for lunch. Two 'restored churches' are worth the visit; the Church Bar and Grill and the Dublin Visitor's Center. Recommend the train/rail ride to Howth, a quaint fishing village. Several cute shops and restaurants. Check out the Cock Pub just above the old church/graveyard. Mid-Ireland, however you define it. Boyne Valley/Newgrange. Prehistoric tomb. How did they move the stones to build it??? Blarney Castle. Even if you don't have Irish Roots you need to kiss the Stone. If you are Irish, take t! he side trip to Cork and tour the Jameson Distillery. Volunteer to be a taster. Be generous and let others in your party get a sip from each sample. Our trip to the Cliffs of Moher was made even more interesting by heading north out of Roscrea to Birr and then heading west. From the back seat of the van one would think you were going years and years back in time. The two lane roads got progressively narrower; the shoulders disappearing; the hedges/stone fences denser and higher and, in places, the center stripe disappeared. In the front seat, the GPS was invaluable (helps in keeping your head down so you didn't have to look at the on-coming traffic). A Texaco gas station's two pumps were in the sidewalk, causing the van to sit in the on-coming traffic lane. It was hard to imagine that this is the normal, day to day, driving conditions in much of Ireland. Loved it. The Cliffs were a disappointment, because of the weather. Heavy mist and strong, cold winds. The only way to get a good picture was to take pictures of the slide shows in t! he visitors center. Never the less, the Cliffs were memorable. A short drive to Spanish Point brought us to the Armada Hotel and an excellent buffet lunch. While planing our trip we were highly disappointed on the lack of information in popular Tourist Guides on sights to visit in County Tipperary and vicinity. Roscrea, despite its rich religious heritage and the presence of the Damer House Heritage Center, is hardly even mentioned. It, in turn, is not tourism oriented. There is an excellent map of the area posted outside the Damer House. When I inquired as to where I might get a copy, I was told that it was not available as it was "out of print". There are also signs for the Roscrea Heritage Trail. Unfortunately, I was also unable to locate a map of the Trail. We day-toured out of Killarney on our 2008 trip. The Dingle Peninsula and Ring of Kerry are a tourist's shopping haven. Not so Roscrea. No shirts, hats or mementos with a Roscrea/Tipperary theme to be found! (except for a ball and marker at the golf course). None the less, it was a great town to walk and the people most friendly and helpful in our research efforts. The St. Cronan churches, Church of Ireland and Roman Catholic, were awesome. The RC sanctuary was undergoing renovation. We look forward to seeing it again when it is completed. Had my first pint of Guinness at O'Rourke's Pub on Rosemary Square. It does taste better in Ireland. Also had an excellent dinner at the White House Inn. Bourney. Cournaganeen/Gortneskehy/Gortderryboy/Derrymore. The drive down the single lane farm roads through these townlands challenged the imagination as to the conditions that our ancestors faced as they fought to live in the mid 1800's. The ruins of the old church at Cournaganeen were especially nostalgic. The commemoration stained glass windows in the new Church identified many current family names that can be found in the earliest Church records. The small communities shown on the Griffiths Valuation now exist only as large open fields. The roa! d to Derrymore turned into a gravel path that lead to a working peat field. The piles of drying bricks being loaded into the trunk of cars were a reminder that it continues to be as much a staple as it was when our g-g grandfathers worked the fields of Roscrea and Bourney. Templemore. One of the highlights of our trip was a visit with cousin (3rd), Tess, and her husband Tim, in their home (more in Part 2). Their recollections of growing up in the vicinity/Couraganeen Church has given added depth to our family background. The evening was capped off with an exceptional dinner at Murphys Pub in downtown Templemore. You'll never plow a field by turning it over in your head. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:01:10 -0400 From: "Jerry Kelly" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] (no subject) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" R?: T?bhacht Ghinealais / Importance of Genealogy A chairde, Scr?obh m? alt gearr le d?ana? ar th?bhacht ghinealais i socha? Ghaelach. Is f?idir ? a fh?il ag: / I wrote a short article recently about the importance of genealogy in Gaelic society. You can find it at: http://www.irishtribes.com/article-importance-of-genealogy-master.html Iarrfaidh m? alt a scr?obh ar Sheanchas timpieall gach c?pla seachtain. / I?ll try to write an article on Seanchas every couple of weeks. Go raibh s? sin cabhrach. / Hope that will be helpful. Le gach dea-ghu? / Best, Jerry Treibheanna ?ireannacha www.irishtribes.com ------------------------------ To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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This month, I have added extracts of names, dates and locations from 700 more US emergency passport applications and from 177 'Irish in England' documents. I select the documents with people having a connection to Ireland. The documents were filed in the American consulate records for Liverpool and Newcastle upon Tyne. The site is at http://sites.google.com/site/irishgleanings/ These records exist for only a small number of Irish people and only for limited years. Use the search function of the web browser to locate names and places. If you don't find your ancestor, search for their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles or cousins. Hope this helps your search. Regards, Sheila

My effort yesterday to send Part 2 of my message(s) was rejected by some sites as being to long. I have split it into parts 2a and 2b. If you received the previous message (Part 2) please forgive this duplication. The primary objectives of my research on this trip were to: - 1. Access original Keary/Carey, Treacy/Tracy and McDoole/McDuell records, in Dublin and Roscrea, for the Roscrea and Bourney areas of County Tipperary. - 2. 'Walk' the ground of my ancestors. - 3. Meet/visit with a 3rd cousin. Foremost in my research was the willingness, even approaching enthusiasm, of the 'person on the street' to respond to and give guidance on my efforts. You have got to love the Irish. On the advice of Geralyn Barry, I attempted to do as much research as possible before leaving for Ireland. In addition to online sites, I relied heavily on films obtained through the LDS. The major drawback of most online sites is inflexibility in search terms. The drawback of LDS films is the time required to order, receive and review the films, if what you want is even in their library. The advantage I find in seeing original documents is that I have a much better ability to recognize relationships (people, places, etc) that point/lead to other possible areas of research. Dublin. -- National Library of Ireland (NLI, www.nli.ie). As the repository of all pre 1864 microfilmed Church records, this is the place to start basic research, especially if the film you are seeking is not available through the LDS. One film that is particularly essential in my research is NLI Pos 2478 (Cournaganeen/Bourney). I have not been able to find this film ANYWHERE other than the NLI! As I did in 2008, I was able to review the films for Bourney (Pos 2478) and Roscrea (Pos 2480) for the families in which i am interested. I did not add to my data base here. However, the NLI did provide me with a printout and map of research agencies located in Dublin.-- Valuation Office(VO, www.valoff.ie), Irish Life Center. Records here are post-1855. I was able to review original books here. I found this particularly helpful as it allowed me to easily flip back and forth between the surveys of a given townland, thereby seeing changes of occupants over time. Thank you Anne Durkin. -- National Archives (NA, www.nationalarchives.ie). The Griffiths Valuation (GV) records, pre-1855, are located here. I was told that the records were on microfilm. I do not know where/if the original books are located. In that I arrived late in the day and was interested in Tenure/House/Field Books, I was not able to do any research here. Next trip? Roscrea/Bourney. By example, my Aussie brother introduced me to a 'new' method of research; by pub, by street, by shop. In other words, talk to the locals. The cost, an occasional pint. Three examples; -- O'Rourkes Pub. Rosemary Square. We started here because our grandfather's baptism said he came from Rosemary. The pub is also across the street from a house with Tracey written above the entrance. We learned that at one time it was Tracey's Pub. Here we met 'Alfie'. No last name as "everyone knows Alfie". After much speculation about the Careys and Traceys, Alfie suggested, that in addition to the Priest at St. Cronan's, Roman Catholic Church (RC), we contact the Rector of St Cronan's , Church of Ireland (CI). A few days later we meet with her and were able to review a computer printout listing of the records of that church. Some were older than those at the RC. We did not connect with anyone on the printout. -- Roscrea Public Library. The library was on my itinerary, from the outset, in case it had a local history section. Although it did not contribute directly to my family research, it did contain a small, soft sided book, Clonakenny and Bourney, A Local History, published by Adrian Hewson in 1982. It references many people, living and working in the communities during the early to mid 1900's. It could be of interest to anyone having connections to this area. A copy is currently available on ebay. I searched for a copy of this book at The Secondhand Bookstore, Main Street, but, was unsuccessful in obtaining a copy. I was able to purchase a copy of Shopfronts of Roscrea, published by the Roscrea Heritage Society in 1984. It contains 42 sketches and descriptions of the architecture of Roscrea dating from the 19th century. Some shop names that are consistent with researchers on COTIPPERARY are Ahearne, Ryan, Carey, Delaney, Madden, Treacy. While viewing the storefronts for E.J. Carey Pub and L. Treacy Pub at the intersection of Abbey and Limerick streets we engaged a neighbor who advised us that Carey and Treacy had died, but that their widows remained in the area. We were successful in meeting with Mrs. Carey. She told us that Eddie's father had purchased the pub in 1914, having moved from Coolderry, north and west of Roscrea. It appears we are not directly related. -- Tesco Mall. While shopping for Tipperary/Roscrea gifts, we were advised of a Carey who managed a shop in the mall. She lives in Knock and indicated that if our family had ties to Bourney/Derrymore there is a good chance that we could be related. I will be providing her with my research to see if there is a link. Continued in Part 2b. You must crack the nut before you can eat the kernel.