Erin Did you get Edmund Walsh's RIC record? What was his date of birth? When did he leave the RIC Have you tried searching form him on the 1901 and 1911 census? If you find him might give some clues Where and when did he marry Ellen Maher or do you know? Clare On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Erin James <[email protected]> wrote: > My Grandfather Edmund Walsh M Ellen Maher, left Ireland in 1927 for Long > Island New York. Grandfather was RIC. After 10 trips to Ireland I've found > no family there, nor any graves. I have been lucky enough to find cousins in > Manchester, England where my grand uncle moved when he left the RIC. I have > been searching for family members here in the US with no luck. I believe > there are still Walshes in the Long Island area that are part of my family. > Walsh and Maher are such common names that and yes, I've searched alternate > spellings. > Erin O'Mara (Walsh)-James > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just the make it clear, the records Tom mentioned (FHL 990092, it. 19) are for the Church of Ireland parish - NOT the Catholic parish - of Templemore, Co. Tipperary. They are also available in book form at the Family History Library as FHL 941.92/T2 K29t in the large Q size area on British floor. As Tom pointed out, this particular film does not circulate to Family History Centers; books also do not circulate. As for coverage, the FHL catalog entry says, "The Church of Ireland Parish of Templemore served the civil parishes of Templemore, Killea, Killovinoge [aka Killavinoge] and Templeree". Catholic records for Templemore (Catholic) parish run to much more than 17 pages! The only options for researching them are (1) to commission research through TFHR (since these records are part of the Diocese of Cashel & Emly and are not available at the IFHF website) or (2) to search the microfilms in person at the National Library in Dublin (not indexed). It is also sometimes - but not always - possible to access parish registers locally in person in Ireland. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon On 9/26/2011 7:35 PM, Davis, Tom wrote: > I visited SLC/Family Library two weeks ago and agree with Pat; everyone was very helpful. My main goal was to obtain a copy of Catalogue No. 990092, item 19, > "Parish Register of Templemore, Diocese of Cashel, Co. Tipperary" (Parishes of Templemore, Killea, Killovinoge, and Templeree which form Union of Templemore) > Baptisms, Marriages and Burials- 1791-1811. It is 17 pages and this particular film is not available for distribution to any of the Family History Centers. Anyone interested in look ups, I will be glad to do so. I am researching the Davis family/Tipperary/pre 1820. > > Tom Davis > >

I visited SLC/Family Library two weeks ago and agree with Pat; everyone was very helpful. My main goal was to obtain a copy of Catalogue No. 990092, item 19, "Parish Register of Templemore, Diocese of Cashel, Co. Tipperary" (Parishes of Templemore, Killea, Killovinoge, and Templeree which form Union of Templemore) Baptisms, Marriages and Burials- 1791-1811. It is 17 pages and this particular film is not available for distribution to any of the Family History Centers. Anyone interested in look ups, I will be glad to do so. I am researching the Davis family/Tipperary/pre 1820. Tom Davis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 156 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Visit to SLC (Pat Connors) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:01:12 -0700 From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Visit to SLC To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Ed, You will have a great time there and won't want to leave! They are extremely helpful and you will be able to get much help. My suggest is for you to go and search to see what films and books you are interested in and bring all the film numbers and book numbers to help you find them. They also have computers where you can get on the FamilySearch Library Catalog, if needed. I believe they also have Ancestry for free usage. Plus, they have many people there to help you. Best you go with some search plans because you can easily get distracted and go in various directions at once. Also, bring your family tree to help you. If you have a laptop take it, you will be able to connect it at the microfilm viewer booth. They have computer plugs and stuff. > I'm making my first trip to the Family History Library in Salt Lake > City Oct 2 - 9th. I've been very fortunate to have made 3 trips to > Ireland and attended the 4th (and last?) Irish Genealogical Congress > in Sept - Oct 2001. > > Wondered if anyone who has been there can offer any suggestions. I'm > focusing specifically on Bourney and Moyne Parishes North Riding > Tipperary County and my Madden-Dohertry-Grimes cast of characters > > I'm also very interested in Couraganeen Church Built in 1812 during > the Penal times and why there seems to be so little information about it. > Was it too rural for attention, or something else? > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ------------------------------ To contact the COTIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the COTIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of COTIPPERARY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 156 *******************************************

Ed - Can't believe it's been 10 years since the Genealogical Congress at Trinity. I still remember the difficulties of getting there since it was right after 9/11 and the incredible kindness of the Irish people once they heard our American accents. First thing I'd suggest is taking their short orientation class - it explains about copy cards, etc. Saves you time in the long run. And think about getting a pass from the front desk to use the cafeteria across the square in the headquarters building - good food at reasonable prices. Although I always begrudge the extra time to walk over there and back, giving up valuable research time. Once you're ensconced down on the 2nd level of the basement of the Family History Library, you should check out the set of field and house books done as part of the Primary Valuation. On their card catalog, do a title search under Valuation Books. Several entries will appear but you want the one shown as "Valuation Books Great Britain, Office of General Valuation of Ireland." Finding the one for the location you want can be a challenge (there are 355 rolls of film in the set). The film notes are organized first by type - Quarto, Tenure, House and Field. Within each category, they are arranged alphabetically by County and then somewhat by barony. Some include the names of the civil parishes on the roll but a lot don't so you may have to pull several rolls to get what you want. The last time I was at the FHL, these rolls were being kept off site and if they still are, you'll need to order them to be delivered the next day or so. It means being organized which is something I'm not. But once you find the right book, there is the physical description of your family's buildings, dimensions and materials, as well as information about the leases, etc. I found the only reference in Ireland to one family in a field book because they left for America after the field book was prepared but before the final Griffith Valuation was printed. When I can't read any more film for awhile, I wander over the actual books in the Irish section. There's always something interesting to find there. If you're going to use the field and land books, you might want to read though James Reilly's book "Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland." Another set of films to think about would be the Registry of Deeds. It's unlikely that your family ever registered a deed but you can read about their landlord's various transactions and your family's townland might be mentioned, or even your family, although that's pretty improbable. The official title in the catalog is "Transcripts of memorials of deeds, conveyances and wills, 1708-1929". There are indexes by place names and by grantors and grantees which you really need since there are 2,580 rolls of film in the set. I found the transaction where my family's landlord received the land from his father in exchange for giving up other land so his brother could give that land as part of a marriage settlement. Gives you a better idea of how the moneyed classes worked. Have a great time. Theresa Liewer

From: Pat Connors <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 25 September 2011, 21:01 Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Visit to SLC Hi Ed,  You will have a great time there and won't want to leave!  They are extremely helpful and you will be able to get much help.  My suggest is for you to go and search to see what films and books you are interested in and bring all the film numbers and book numbers to help you find them. They also have computers where you can get on the FamilySearch Library Catalog, if needed.  I believe they also have Ancestry for free usage. Plus, they have many people there to help you. Best you go with some search plans because you can easily get distracted and go in various directions at once.  Also, bring your family tree to help you.  If you have a laptop take it, you will be able to connect it at the microfilm viewer booth.  They have computer plugs and stuff. > I'm making my first trip to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City > Oct 2 - 9th. I've been very fortunate to have made 3 trips to Ireland > and attended the 4th (and last?) Irish Genealogical Congress in Sept - > Oct 2001. > > Wondered if anyone who has been there can offer any suggestions. I'm > focusing specifically on Bourney and Moyne Parishes North Riding > Tipperary County and my Madden-Dohertry-Grimes cast of characters > > I'm also very interested in Couraganeen Church Built in 1812 during the > Penal times and why there seems to be so little information about it. > Was it too rural for attention, or something else? > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ed, You will have a great time there and won't want to leave! They are extremely helpful and you will be able to get much help. My suggest is for you to go and search to see what films and books you are interested in and bring all the film numbers and book numbers to help you find them. They also have computers where you can get on the FamilySearch Library Catalog, if needed. I believe they also have Ancestry for free usage. Plus, they have many people there to help you. Best you go with some search plans because you can easily get distracted and go in various directions at once. Also, bring your family tree to help you. If you have a laptop take it, you will be able to connect it at the microfilm viewer booth. They have computer plugs and stuff. > I'm making my first trip to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City > Oct 2 - 9th. I've been very fortunate to have made 3 trips to Ireland > and attended the 4th (and last?) Irish Genealogical Congress in Sept - > Oct 2001. > > Wondered if anyone who has been there can offer any suggestions. I'm > focusing specifically on Bourney and Moyne Parishes North Riding > Tipperary County and my Madden-Dohertry-Grimes cast of characters > > I'm also very interested in Couraganeen Church Built in 1812 during the > Penal times and why there seems to be so little information about it. > Was it too rural for attention, or something else? > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Ed, I was in Roscrea/Couraganeen in July. I posted a trip report about a month back. Will forward you a copy shortly. Have used your past postings to great effect. The priest you dealt with has retired and the Couraganeen records transferred to Roscrea. It was nice to have access to them. I have similiar problems in finding any in-depth info on the area. I did have the opportunity to scan a book at the Roscrea library, published about 1983, on Corbally/Bourney. Most of the info was focused post 1900. A copy was available on ebay for about 10L. > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:26:50 -0700 > From: > To: [email protected] > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Advise; Family History Library, Salt Lake > > Hi Folks, > I'm making my first trip to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City > Oct 2 - 9th. I've been very fortunate to have made 3 trips to Ireland > and attended the 4th (and last?) Irish Genealogical Congress in Sept - > Oct 2001. > > Wondered if anyone who has been there can offer any suggestions. I'm > focusing specifically on Bourney and Moyne Parishes North Riding > Tipperary County and my Madden-Dohertry-Grimes cast of characters > > I'm also very interested in Couraganeen Church Built in 1812 during the > Penal times and why there seems to be so little information about it. > Was it too rural for attention, or something else? > > Thanks in advance! > > Ed Madden > Ridgefield >

Hi Folks, I'm making my first trip to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City Oct 2 - 9th. I've been very fortunate to have made 3 trips to Ireland and attended the 4th (and last?) Irish Genealogical Congress in Sept - Oct 2001. Wondered if anyone who has been there can offer any suggestions. I'm focusing specifically on Bourney and Moyne Parishes North Riding Tipperary County and my Madden-Dohertry-Grimes cast of characters I'm also very interested in Couraganeen Church Built in 1812 during the Penal times and why there seems to be so little information about it. Was it too rural for attention, or something else? Thanks in advance! Ed Madden Ridgefield

Thanks Janet, for telling us about the death of the Knight of Glin. He very kindly invited me and my family to visit him at Glin Castle in 2003 and told me about the wonderful 1820 pencil drawings by Robert Smith of places around Templemore some of which appeared in an article of mine in the THJ. He was a very fine man. Arthur Carden of Horsham, England

Desmond John Villiers Fitzgerald, also known as the 29th Knight of Glin, has passed away. http://www.independent.ie/national-news/desmond-fitzgerald-knight-of-glin-passes-away-at-74-2878867.html

I have used Ancestry to get the names and places for the head of households listed in the Drangan Civil Parish. I will use this index till I find the civil parish on the FHL films. I don't trust the Ancestry transcription so please don't use it as a source document. In the meantime, it can be used as a guide. I will be indexing the Middlethird Barony probably over the weekend using the above transcription as a temporary bandaid. When I find the parish on a film, I will replace my own work for the parish in the barony index. Well, now that this barony is completed, I'll only have two more before the South Riding is done. However, there are still a number of civil parishes to be done. If anyone would like to help, email off the list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks for the advice, Janet, but I spelled the civil parish name wrong when I asked for help. Should have said, 'Drangan' and not, 'Dangan'. I think you were thinking about Dangandargan Civil Parish which I have transcribed and it is online. The only other place it might come up is in part of Religmurray. I just might index the Middlethird Barony w/o Drangan for the time being till I find the civil parish. The Family History Library sorts the civil parishes of the Republic alphabetically while in the Archives of Ireland, they sort by county. I checked my book, Ireland Libraries, which lists all the tithe film numbers by county and then civil parish and it is listed so there must be tithes. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I had a typo, should have been DRANGAN civil parish. Has anyone found the tithes for the civil parish on Family History Films, if so, what is the number of the film? I am a bit frustrated. When I finish the tithes for all the civil parishes > in a Barony, I index the barony for easier searching. Well, I have almost > finished the Middlethird Barony in the South Riding except for Dangan Civil > Parish. This parish is not in the normally alphabetical place on the > Family > History Library films and I think it is tucked within another parish. I am > wondering if anyone has found it on a FHL film. If so, could you email me > and give me the film number, please. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Pat, The only other place it might come up is in part of Religmurray. Janet On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Pat Connors <[email protected]> wrote: > I have just added the tithe applotment indexes for the following civil > parishes to the County Tipperary section of my website: > Rahelty-North Riding > Ballymackey-North Riding > Railstown-South Riding > > I am a bit frustrated.  When I finish the tithes for all the civil parishes > in a Barony, I index the barony for easier searching.  Well, I have almost > finished the Middlethird Barony in the South Riding except for Dangan Civil > Parish.  This parish is not in the normally alphabetical place on the Family > History Library films and I think it is tucked within another parish.  I am > wondering if anyone has found it on a FHL film.  If so, could you email me > and give me the film number, please. > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Does anyone know if the records for the towns in Tipperary that border Waterford are the same in the Bru Boru Centre as in the Waterford Heritage Center? I received some records of my Newcastle, Aughvanlomaun Townland, Co Tippeary ancestors from the Waterford Heritage Center, but have never visited or tried the Bru Boru Centre. Thanks, Sandy

I have just added the tithe applotment indexes for the following civil parishes to the County Tipperary section of my website: Rahelty-North Riding Ballymackey-North Riding Railstown-South Riding I am a bit frustrated. When I finish the tithes for all the civil parishes in a Barony, I index the barony for easier searching. Well, I have almost finished the Middlethird Barony in the South Riding except for Dangan Civil Parish. This parish is not in the normally alphabetical place on the Family History Library films and I think it is tucked within another parish. I am wondering if anyone has found it on a FHL film. If so, could you email me and give me the film number, please. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks a lot Janet. Will give Tom Ryan a ring sometime. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Crawford Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2011 7:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] ROLL CALL - Ryan + Carey/Carew Shirley, This is worth a try. The Ryan Rody's are from Kilcommon. If there is a chance your Denis Ryan might also be, then - Contact Tom Ryan in Ireland at 01-8453834 or 086-1579266. He seems to have done a lot of research on the Ryan's of this area. Janet On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Shirley Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > My g.g.grandfather Denis RYAN married Winifred CAREY/CAREW at Kilcommon, Tipperary in 1829. Known children were Patrick b.1830, Mary > b.1832, Thomas b.1833 and Margaret b.1836. > > Witnesses at the marriage of Denis and Winifred were: James CAREW and Patrick RYAN. > > Sponsors for the children's baptisms at Coonmore, Kilcommon, Tipperary were: > Jerry CAREW, Johanna CAREW, Josey CAREW, Margaret CAREW and Julian CAREY. Also Hugh RYAN, James RYAN and Patt RYAN. > > Thomas b.1833 came to Australia and married Elizabeth FLYNN in Kilmore, Vic. in 1866.  They had 11 children:  Winifred, Mary, Denis, Thomas, Michael, Patrick, Elizabeth, Bridget, Margaret, John and James. > > Cheers, > > Shirley >

Hi All, My g.g.grandfather Denis RYAN married Winifred CAREY/CAREW at Kilcommon, Tipperary in 1829. Known children were Patrick b.1830, Mary b.1832, Thomas b.1833 and Margaret b.1836. Witnesses at the marriage of Denis and Winifred were: James CAREW and Patrick RYAN. Sponsors for the children's baptisms at Coonmore, Kilcommon, Tipperary were: Jerry CAREW, Johanna CAREW, Josey CAREW, Margaret CAREW and Julian CAREY. Also Hugh RYAN, James RYAN and Patt RYAN. Thomas b.1833 came to Australia and married Elizabeth FLYNN in Kilmore, Vic. in 1866. They had 11 children: Winifred, Mary, Denis, Thomas, Michael, Patrick, Elizabeth, Bridget, Margaret, John and James. Cheers, Shirley

but this list CoTipperary IS having a general rollcall Hello All . Matthew RYAN married Julia TOBIN , whose parents were Michael TOBIN and Bridget MURPHY . approx. 1830 . All the children were baptized at The Bansha Catholic Church ,namely Bridget 1830-- Catherine 1833--Mary 1835--Ellen 1837 and Julia 1840 . Mother and Children are on the 1851 census in London .No trace of Matthew . Mother and 4 children came to Melbourne Australia Nov. 1857 on the Shalimar Ellen I think remained in London . My brickwall is where was Mathew RYAN and JULIA TOBIN born and marriage place . Trust someone can help me break down this brickwall . Laurie Thompson

I am sending just a brief request for anyone who has Spillanes in the North Riding section of Tipperary (particularly the Aghnameadle/Toomevara area) to reply on the list. I am looking for Blackwells who ended up in Co. Offaly by the early 1800's and Gallaghers who wandered into Tipperary from Limerick or Cork. Thank you