The Ask about Ireland site under e-books and then Tipperary has a book called "Nenagh and its Neighbourhood" by E.H. Sheehan, M.B. Loads of information in it. Mary

To All Listers, http://mcgrathsearch.com/files/The%20Neighbors%20in%20Ireland%2012-05-11.pdf ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The Neighbors in Ireland, by Michael F. McGraw and Clare Tuohy The Neighbors in Ireland opens a window that covers the Famine period in selected townlands of Moyaliff and Holycross parishes of Co. Tipperary. Most of the townlands studied are adjacent and their relatively small size allows the area to be truly described as a neighborhood. The Irish homesteads of the main families of Long, Fanning, Tuohy and McGrath were identified and described in detail. In the process the following were accomplished: q Methods were developed for the extraction of information from these records that allowed the tracking of individuals through the valuation data. q The migration paths of persons from the Irish neighborhood were determined. q New neighbors were found and relationships among these neighbors were explored. q An understanding of the environment, in which they lived and the choices that faced our ancestors, was developed in an attempt to answer the question: Why did they leave? The Field, House, Tenure and Cancelled Books, researched by one of the authors (Tuohy), contained a wealth of new source material. The analysis of that material provided a unique view into the lives of these ancestors during the Great Famine and as they were emerging from the famine. The information contained in the House Books was unique and priceless. They contained an inventory of every structure, on each farm, in every townland along with the dimensions of each structure, the materials of construction and their state of maintenance. It is possible to use the Griffith Valuation maps, with the information in the House Books, to develop a mental picture of these buildings. That is about as close as one is going to get to having a photograph of the ancestral homestead from that time period. This document was the result of a trans-Atlantic collaboration between Clare Tuohy, a Dublin, Ireland based researcher, who is descended from William Tuohy of Grange, Holycross parish, and myself, based in Austin, TX, who is descended from Michael McGrath of Moyaliff in Moyaliff parish.

Thanks Janet Crawford for your response. I will see if anyone here knows more. best wishes over the festive season. Esther Melbourne Australia

I have added tithe applotment indexes for the following civil parishes to the County Tipperary section of my website: Donaghmore, South Riding Kilnaneave, North Riding (this is a 2nd book) Lisbunny, North Riding Dolla, North Riding Please read my transcription notes to see what I encountered with these transcriptions. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Simon, I solved a similar problem by tracking down other relatives as in cousins and an old Uncle who knew the family 'secrets'. Just a thought that may or may not help. Jan in Aus. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Simon Smith" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:22 AM To: <[email protected]>; "Rootsweb NYNIAGAR" <[email protected]> Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Modern Irish History > Dear Listers > > I am affraid that my Mid 20th Century Irish history is not very good, I am > trying to find out why three sisters (my mother included) would come to > England in their early thirties during the early 1950's and vow never to > go > back to Ireland and never speak about their past there. > > Was there something that happened at that time or am I looking more at a > major family fued? > > Their early lives were spent in Nenagh and I believe that they were born > there. > > Any suggestions would be gratefully recieved, also would it be worthwhile > spending some time visiting Nenagh? > > Many Thanks > > Simon Egan-Smith > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would be very interested in any replies to this Kind Regards Kesa (ex tassy) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Simon Smith Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 8:22 AM To: [email protected]; Rootsweb NYNIAGAR Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Modern Irish History Dear Listers I am affraid that my Mid 20th Century Irish history is not very good, I am trying to find out why three sisters (my mother included) would come to England in their early thirties during the early 1950's and vow never to go back to Ireland and never speak about their past there. Was there something that happened at that time or am I looking more at a major family fued? Their early lives were spent in Nenagh and I believe that they were born there. Any suggestions would be gratefully recieved, also would it be worthwhile spending some time visiting Nenagh? Many Thanks Simon Egan-Smith Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Esther Kahn <[email protected]> wrote: I have seen references to "Ryan Dans' and 'Rody Ryans'. Could someone please explain. The only other piece of information that could help is the name of a priest who was a reference for Thomas and Honora Rya! >  n. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Esther Kahn Melbourne Australia Esther, What you are looking at are nicknames for Ryan families. Suppose you live in Village and are a Connor Ryan. You have 4 sons - Matt, Paddy, Tom and Mick. Each of those boys have 4 sons, often with the same names, and each of them have 4 sons. You now have 17 male Ryans [and many female Ryan's] in a village and no easy way to identify them and keep them straight, so you start using nicknames. All of Matt's children [boys and girls] use Ryan (Matt], and so do all his descendants forever. Anytime we run into a Ryan (Matt), we know his/her ancestor was Matt the son of Connor from Village. The more nicknames in a village, the longer Ryan's were there, and the more places you find a particular nickname, the older that nickname is. For Drombane aka Drumbawn you have the following nicknames [so far]: Con, Denis, Matt, Lanty, Fox, Jim, Mich, Nell, Ogue, Owen, Peg, Taylor, Dans/Dance?/Dens? Ryan's have been here a long time and have accumulated many nicknames. A few years ago I had posted all these and you can look back and see where else these nicknames might be found to see where their descendants went to live, and/or where these people may have been before Drombane. Any time you see something like Ryan (Con) or Ryan-Con, you know you are dealing with a nickname. If you know your Ryan nickname, you can usually, but not always, find where you are from; for some nicknames, we don't have a place yet. There is one other quirk. If a village gets too many people with the same nickname, you have the same problem as you did in the beginning, so you need to start new nicknames for families, or sometimes a family will adopt its nickname as its new surname. Not all families do this; some, like mine, just change the spelling of the surname a bit. Janet

Well there could be a number of reasons. I went to England when I left school in the late fifties (I have since returned) The reason I went was work. There were plenty of jobs in England at the time and a better standard of living which wasn't the case in Ireland. The fact that your family vowed never to go back or to speak about their past makes me suspect there may have been more to their moving. You will have to do a bit of digging to find out the real reasons. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Rootsweb NYNIAGAR" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:22 PM Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Modern Irish History > Dear Listers > > I am affraid that my Mid 20th Century Irish history is not very good, I am > trying to find out why three sisters (my mother included) would come to > England in their early thirties during the early 1950's and vow never to > go > back to Ireland and never speak about their past there. > > Was there something that happened at that time or am I looking more at a > major family fued? > > Their early lives were spent in Nenagh and I believe that they were born > there. > > Any suggestions would be gratefully recieved, also would it be worthwhile > spending some time visiting Nenagh? > > Many Thanks > > Simon Egan-Smith > > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an > individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and > the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello out there to everyone, This is my first posting on this list which I read with interest. Of course, I have another difficult one with 'RYANS from Drombane". My Ryan forbears, Thomas and Honora(nee Fox) arrived on board the Birman , in Dec.1840, arriving in Port Adelaide with a number of small children, one of them being my ggrandfather Thomas, born around 1835. They sailed from Greenock via Cork, and from what records are available, it seems they obtained free passage. Thomas snr being a labourer, and eventually settling in the Saddleworth / Manoora area of South Australia, where they farmed. It appears that the place they were from is Drombane. Thomas snr died in 1873, aged 70, and Honora in 1871 of a similar age. She was born around say 1801, Thomas snr in 1803. Before settling in Manoora, they had another child, Mary born 1842 who died two year later in 1844, at the Emigration Depot in Adelaide. A son John was born in 1846, died 1911 in Manoora. He married a Mary Kiely, possibly form Clonoulty,( father Patrick) in 1867. John and Mary had the following children who lived into adulthood : Anthony, Winifred(Coombe), Joseph(married Ellen Madigan) and Mary Ann(Bond). Thomas jnr married a Margaret Suffren(Sufferan) in Melbourne in 1865, and after being in Saddleworth, the family returned to Melbourne and lived in Carlton. 4 children, Julia b1868, Rose Ann b later, William b after her and my grandmother Elizabeth B 1873 . Julia born Saddleworth South Aust, the others not sure. I am wondering whether any of this rings any bells at all?? I would appreciate some advice as to what parish I try and search to find any marriage /baptismal records etc. There were other Ryan families who also came on the Birman on the same voyage in 1840. I do have those details. Funny, no one who I have connected with in South Australia has ever gone back that far. Also, another question form one who is a little ignorant: I have seen references to "Ryan Dans' and 'Rody Ryans'. Could someone please explain. The only other piece of information that could help is the name of a priest who was a reference for Thomas and Honora Ryan. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Esther Kahn Melbourne Australia

Dear Listers I am affraid that my Mid 20th Century Irish history is not very good, I am trying to find out why three sisters (my mother included) would come to England in their early thirties during the early 1950's and vow never to go back to Ireland and never speak about their past there. Was there something that happened at that time or am I looking more at a major family fued? Their early lives were spent in Nenagh and I believe that they were born there. Any suggestions would be gratefully recieved, also would it be worthwhile spending some time visiting Nenagh? Many Thanks Simon Egan-Smith

Martin Tracy (Tracey), son of Martin Tracy (Sr) and Eliza McDoole, and brother to g-grandmother Bridget Tracy Carey married Sarah Corcoran about 1868 in Niagara County (Middleport?) 1868. Sarah was the daughter of Patrick Corcoran and Margaret Gleeson and appears to have been baptized at Cournaganeen RC in 1842. A Patrick Corcoran is listed as living at Lot 10b Ballynough, Bourney in the Griffiths Valuation, leasing from Daniel Gleeson. A William Gleeson is in Lot 8e, leasing from John Mahar Sr. Martin Tracey (Sr) is in Lot 8c, leasing from Lawrence Walsh. Daniel Carey (Keary), believed to be the father-in-law of g-grandmother Bridget Carey, is in Lot 9h, also leased from John Mahar Sr. Martin and Sarah Tracy are living in Hartland in 1870 with children Elizabeth and Patrick. I am:-- attempting to located Martin, Sarah and their children after 1870, and,-- confirmation that Sarah Corcoran Tracy was born in Co Tipp (abt. 1843). All suggestions are appreciated.

If you get mail from something called: [email protected] Google Account Database [email protected] with a message reading something like: "Is your Google Account Still Active or Not ?" DELETE IT! If you get a message from a friend referencing a link to their "web cam". DELETE IT! Janet

Google mail appears to be under a denial of service attack and some accounts MAY have been hacked. If you use Gmail, I would strongly suggest that you change your password today, or tomorrow at the latest. My cousin's account was hacked and "she" started to send out smut links. She has changed her password and so have I. Google mail is in the process of changing its look, so you may have a slight problem getting to the place to change your password. Start by clicking that "gear" thing on the top and then selecting mail settings. Then Accounts & Import. Then you should see the place to change the password. I had a small problem getting to this place and had to click on other things and then back to Accounts & Import until it came up at the right place to change the password. Janet

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:08 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Have the AOL, Hotmail and any other server issues been resolved? Hard to say. If everyone using them has changed their password regularly [like monthly], and no one has left behind a closed account with all its contacts ready to be hacked, and no one has marked a Rootsweb e-mail as spam...then perhaps everything has been resolved. We won't know unless there is another round of people being unsubbed. If you do get unsubbed, please contact me asap to get you back on the list. If your account was one that was hacked, we need to know how it happened. Janet

Have the AOL, Hotmail and any other server issues been resolved?

I have finally finished transcribing the tithes for the Middlethird Barony. I added the Kilbragh Civil Parish today. This weekend I will be working on getting the barony together, alphabetized and ready to go online for easier searching. It is huge barony so may take me awhile. In the meantime, you can use the Google search engine on the Tipperary section and it should only search the County Tipperary section of my website. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Add Comcast to that Janet C

Unfortunately, we are still having problems with Hotmail and AOL accounts getting high-jacked. The majority of these accounts are "closed" accounts, i.e. accounts where someone now has a new addy and did not ever truly close off the old account AND unsub it from their Rootsweb lists. The rest are current accounts where the person has not bothered to change their password. If your old account, or your current account, gets high-jacked and that addy is subscribed to a Rootsweb list, the spam will post through the list and get distributed to all subscribers of that list. When this happens, do NOT report the message as spam to your own ISP. Report it to the administrator of the list [me] if you think the administrator has not already seen the post. If you report the message to your own ISP, you are not reporting the high-jacked account nor the spammer - you are reporting Rootsweb as a spammer resulting in all Rootsweb mail to you and others being rejected. When your ISP tells Rootsweb that you have reported Rootsweb as a spammer, Rootsweb assumes that you no longer wish to belong to the Rootsweb lists and the computer will unsub you from all your lists. If you report it to your own ISP, you will also be screwing things up for all other subscribers. Aggie-Rose and I see when spam gets posted on a message and we are on it asap. We moderate or unsub the high-jacked account and get the Helpdesk to remove the post. If the Helpdesk sees that the high-jacked account is subbed in to more than one list, they will unsub the account from all lists. If you have any questions about this, please write to me directly and I will answer your questions. Janet

Very tense game but a win.....by 1 point!   :)   Kevin NZ  

Oh, yes. Janet. But too close for comfort Barry -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:24 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Off-topic: New Zealand Congratulations, New Zealand - rugby World Cup winners!! Janet Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message