As I mentioned, this is tenants only and only for Clanwilliam Barony in Co. Tipperary. BALLYGRIFFIN PARISH BALLYGRIFFIN Michael Molloy John Ryan Conor or Cornelius Hayes Margaret Slattery John Murray James Scanlan William Dwyer Timothy Holly Richard Ryan John Dwyer Thomas Ryan Michael Stapleton Patrick Stapleton Thomas Dwyer Thomas Scanlon John Dalton Michael Connor John E. Dalton Patrick Dwan BALLYNAHINCH Thomas Quirke Mary Heffernan Judith Cahill James Breen Thomas Quirke Thomas Quirke [another Thomas Quirke or another house? same man] Daniel Egan Michael ?Errington? [Ledger]? Widow Ryan Edward Slattery Widow Heneberry Edmund Quinlan John Molony James Farrell James Grady Thomas Scanlon Peter Richardson William Gorman Patrick Heany Patrick Heany John Doherty John Doherty Thomas Breen Philip Mara Denis Heany Daniel Kirby Vincent Scully GARRANE William Greene Mary Secton Robert McGraig LISHEEN Thomas Butler, Jr. Edmund Burns LISHEENBEG Patrick Heany John Hayes Laurence Breen LISLORAN Ladt Emma Fitzgerald [a bog] John Kennedy Patrick Croagh Simon Breen Michael Breen William Dwyer Lady Emma Fitzgerald [another bog] Michael Carew John Hogan Michael Connors William Dwyer Patrick Franey or Francy James Harding Patrick Keefe Daniel Egan James Kennedy Thomas Maher Patrick Keefe Mary Sexton John Lacy Michael Ryan Richard Brett Michael Prendergast William Shannon Michael Glasheen John Grady John Moloney John Landers Michael Moloney Cuthbert Clayton Patrick Dwyer James Cummins John Burke Janet

I am slowly getting copies of the 1870/71 Census for Clanwilliam Barony only for Co. Tipperary. This covers the occupiers of land [tenants]. I am only going to post it on the CoTipperary list and then Pat will pick it up from here and post it on her website eventually. I am, however, including Waterford in this announcement because people moved around so much. The format will simply be the townland name and then a list of the names; there are 2 valuations shown and since I am working off .pdf's don't wait to ask about any of these as it will be difficult to go back and look up something again. Anyone not interested can delete the mail from the subject line "1870/71 Census" Janet

Hi Cara, Thank you for all the Gibbs information. I'm sure they are all related in one way or another. I just don't know how, yet. BTW, I have images of the Kilsheelan index for 1870 (Jun-Sept) and 1868 (Mar-Jun) and I found a Brazil birth in Glenanour(?). It is for a Mary Brazil, born 23 June 1870. Parents are Mat? Brazil and Margaret Coffy Brazil. If you would like a copy of the image, email me offline and I will send it to you. Thanks, Annette > James Gibbs and Margaret Brazill or Brazil it is the Brazil and variant > names I am interested in > 1=Richard 26/2/1871 Caher > > > > > > >

William Gibbs and Catherine Donovan Children 1- 12/5/1888 Patrick -Kilsheelan 2- 18/8/1869 John - As Above 3-Edmond 3/1/1871 - as above 4-Catherine 4/9/1873 as above John Gibbs and Catherine Cahill 1- 15/8/1869 Mary =Garrangibbon Thomas Gibbs and Bridget Cormack 1- Edmond 19/9/1868 Fethard 2-Thomas 1/12/1870-Fethard 3-Patrick 14/11/1873-Fethard Pat Gibbs and Ellen Magrath or McGrath 1- Ellen 4/7/1870-Kilsheelan Josiah Gibbs and Mary Anne Woods 1- Richard 12/12/1870-Fethard John Gibbs and Margaret Blanchfield 1-Patrick 23/8/1872 as above 2-Ellen 2/3/ 1871 Garrangibbon James Gibbs and Margaret Brazill or Brazil it is the Brazil and variant names I am interested in 1=Richard 26/2/1871 Caher

Annette Cooloran and Ballynockin (today Ballyknockane) are townlands near Killurney- Cooloran is to the south west of Killurney near the church at Temple-etney and Ballynockin is to the south east.They are all within a radius of a mile or so. Not sure why they are listed together in the tithe list . I know that some people are a bit dubious about Ancestry's transcription of the tithe lists. You would really need to see the original to try and work it out but as far as I know the LDS hasn't got a film of the tithes for Tipperary- I could be wrong!! Regards Clare On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Clare, > > Thank you so very much! I am on ancestry, but not world access, so I would > not have been able to see these records. I think it's time to upgrade! > What does Coolonan Ballynockin mean before the Killerney? It's > interesting that there is a Gibbs in Ballypatrick in 1826/27 - I didn't > think they came to that area until the 1860's, when an Uncle (William > Denne) of William Gibbs gave the forge to William. I wonder if William > Denne was married to a Gibbs? > > I am definitely near a FHC and go every Tuesday to view microfilm. I will > try and figure out which microfilm to order and then order it. Thanks for > the suggestion and your help! > > Annette > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Clare Tuohy <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Annette > > I checked to see if the Tithe applotments for the Civil Parish of > > Temple-etney were available online - Pat Connors has most of the > Tipperary > > parishes transcribed on her site > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/#land > > but not Temple-etney > > I found these on Ancestry > > 1826 & 1827 > > Thomas Gibbs Coolonan Ballynockin Killerney (would think this is either a > > mistranscription of Killurney or a variant spelling) > > 1827 Thomas Gibbs Killurney > > I don't know if this means there were two Thomas Gibbs or he held land in > > both places- more likely the latter. > > Gibbs in Ballynoe Ballypatrick in 1826 &1827 -no personal name given. > > Margaret Gibbs Graigue 1827 > > Edmund Gibbs West Poulacapple Kilvemnon 1816 > > > > Curiously Ancestry had all these listed as in the C. P. of Templetenny > not > > Temple-etney > > but I suspect that is a mistranscription. > > Pat Connors site has the tithes for Templetenny on her site and the > > listing only covers the townlands in Templetenny. > > > > The valuation books later than Griffith's are in the valuation Office in > > Dublin but the LDS have filmed some - if not all- so if you are near a > > Family History Centre you could order the film. > > > > Hope this is of use > > Clare > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Cindy, > > > > > > Yes, they are Patrick and Anastasia's children. William is my > husband's > > > g-g-grandchildren and yes the William you found was the father of the > > > children born between 1868-1887. I do have William and Catherine's > > > marriage record. But thank you for offering. > > > > > > I agree that Patrick is probably on the land with Thomas in 1850. I > > wonder > > > if Thomas is the father or perhaps an older brother. How would I go > > about > > > checking valuation updates? > > > > > > I have seen the 1901 and 1911 census and most definitely they are > > William's > > > (b. 1844) siblings in Killurney. On one of the censuses, I can't > > remember > > > which one, they have William's son living with them (Charles Peter). > > > > > > So far no ties to Kayes/Keyes, but I will certainly keep an eye out. > > > Killurney is small enough that it is possible. > > > > > > Thanks! Annette > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Cindy Wood <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Annette, you may want to consider pursuing some of those siblings for > > > > William as well. I found 10 additonal baptisms in Kilsheelan > Catholic > > > > parish born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath: > > > > John 1845 > > > > Michael 1848 > > > > Maria 1850 > > > > Julia 1852 > > > > Patrick 1856 > > > > Anna 1858 > > > > Bridget 1859 > > > > Thomas 1861 > > > > Johanna 1863 > > > > Ellen 1870 > > > > > > > > There are however, 18 baptisms for the surname Gibbs in this > Kilsheelan > > > > Catholic parish, the remaining baptisms, in the 1868-1880 time period > > > were > > > > all born to a man called William, would this by chance be the William > > > born > > > > in 1844? I believe I have the marriage of that William, in 1866, to > > > > Catherine Donovan, the marriage record notes his father was Patrick. > > > > > > > > One of the suggestions was to have a look at who was in the parish > > during > > > > the time of the Primary Valuation, done in Tipperary in 1850. > > Killurney > > > > townland, where you find the family, is in Temple-etney civil parish. > > At > > > > the time of both the Primary Valuation and the Tithe Applotments > (done > > in > > > > this parish in both 1826 and 1827), the only Gibbs listed in the > > townland > > > > was Thomas Gibbs. My overall hunch is that Patrick is probably on > this > > > > land, and if you were to check Valuation updates, you might see the > > > switch > > > > in names from Thomas to Patrick at some point after the time of the > > > initial > > > > Valuation. > > > > > > > > Another thing I'd wonder about is whether you'd pursued the census > > > returns > > > > for this townland. In 1901, a Patrick Gibbs is living in the > townland, > > > in > > > > the home with him are his sister, Bridget and his brother Thomas, as > > well > > > > as a nephew Charles. These siblings are obviously the children born > to > > > > Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath, and the group of them remain there in > > 1911 > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > If you find yourself tying in with that Kayes family in Killurney, > let > > me > > > > know. They also spell their name Keyes and they belong to me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, > > and > > > check the subject line. 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Annette I checked to see if the Tithe applotments for the Civil Parish of Temple-etney were available online - Pat Connors has most of the Tipperary parishes transcribed on her site http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/#land but not Temple-etney I found these on Ancestry 1826 & 1827 Thomas Gibbs Coolonan Ballynockin Killerney (would think this is either a mistranscription of Killurney or a variant spelling) 1827 Thomas Gibbs Killurney I don't know if this means there were two Thomas Gibbs or he held land in both places- more likely the latter. Gibbs in Ballynoe Ballypatrick in 1826 &1827 -no personal name given. Margaret Gibbs Graigue 1827 Edmund Gibbs West Poulacapple Kilvemnon 1816 Curiously Ancestry had all these listed as in the C. P. of Templetenny not Temple-etney but I suspect that is a mistranscription. Pat Connors site has the tithes for Templetenny on her site and the listing only covers the townlands in Templetenny. The valuation books later than Griffith's are in the valuation Office in Dublin but the LDS have filmed some - if not all- so if you are near a Family History Centre you could order the film. Hope this is of use Clare On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Cindy, > > Yes, they are Patrick and Anastasia's children. William is my husband's > g-g-grandchildren and yes the William you found was the father of the > children born between 1868-1887. I do have William and Catherine's > marriage record. But thank you for offering. > > I agree that Patrick is probably on the land with Thomas in 1850. I wonder > if Thomas is the father or perhaps an older brother. How would I go about > checking valuation updates? > > I have seen the 1901 and 1911 census and most definitely they are William's > (b. 1844) siblings in Killurney. On one of the censuses, I can't remember > which one, they have William's son living with them (Charles Peter). > > So far no ties to Kayes/Keyes, but I will certainly keep an eye out. > Killurney is small enough that it is possible. > > Thanks! Annette > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Cindy Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Annette, you may want to consider pursuing some of those siblings for > > William as well. I found 10 additonal baptisms in Kilsheelan Catholic > > parish born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath: > > John 1845 > > Michael 1848 > > Maria 1850 > > Julia 1852 > > Patrick 1856 > > Anna 1858 > > Bridget 1859 > > Thomas 1861 > > Johanna 1863 > > Ellen 1870 > > > > There are however, 18 baptisms for the surname Gibbs in this Kilsheelan > > Catholic parish, the remaining baptisms, in the 1868-1880 time period > were > > all born to a man called William, would this by chance be the William > born > > in 1844? I believe I have the marriage of that William, in 1866, to > > Catherine Donovan, the marriage record notes his father was Patrick. > > > > One of the suggestions was to have a look at who was in the parish during > > the time of the Primary Valuation, done in Tipperary in 1850. Killurney > > townland, where you find the family, is in Temple-etney civil parish. At > > the time of both the Primary Valuation and the Tithe Applotments (done in > > this parish in both 1826 and 1827), the only Gibbs listed in the townland > > was Thomas Gibbs. My overall hunch is that Patrick is probably on this > > land, and if you were to check Valuation updates, you might see the > switch > > in names from Thomas to Patrick at some point after the time of the > initial > > Valuation. > > > > Another thing I'd wonder about is whether you'd pursued the census > returns > > for this townland. In 1901, a Patrick Gibbs is living in the townland, > in > > the home with him are his sister, Bridget and his brother Thomas, as well > > as a nephew Charles. These siblings are obviously the children born to > > Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath, and the group of them remain there in 1911 > > as well. > > > > If you find yourself tying in with that Kayes family in Killurney, let me > > know. They also spell their name Keyes and they belong to me! > > > > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Luckily Clare was familiar with County Tipperary surnames, civil parishes and townlands be she found one of very many transcribing error on Ancestry. One always needs to check the original source (film) when finding a record online because someone transcribed those records and I am telling you not everyone sees a document and transcribes it the same. I always warn the searcher on my site to check the records/film and not take my transcribing as a source document. Anyone out there that lives far away from a Family History Center so can't view films can write me off the list if they find a name on any of my tithes that maybe theirs. I have scanned most of my tithes to images and if you can give me the name of civil parish and the townland, if I have the image, I will send this to you so you will then have the 'source' document. This is only an offer for those subscribed to the CoTipperary list and don't have access. I don't have them all but a lot. Even this week I scanned some parishes but not others due to condition of the film. Curiously Ancestry had all these listed as in the C. P. of Templetenny not > Temple-etney > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Clare, Thank you so very much! I am on ancestry, but not world access, so I would not have been able to see these records. I think it's time to upgrade! What does Coolonan Ballynockin mean before the Killerney? It's interesting that there is a Gibbs in Ballypatrick in 1826/27 - I didn't think they came to that area until the 1860's, when an Uncle (William Denne) of William Gibbs gave the forge to William. I wonder if William Denne was married to a Gibbs? I am definitely near a FHC and go every Tuesday to view microfilm. I will try and figure out which microfilm to order and then order it. Thanks for the suggestion and your help! Annette On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Clare Tuohy <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette > I checked to see if the Tithe applotments for the Civil Parish of > Temple-etney were available online - Pat Connors has most of the Tipperary > parishes transcribed on her site > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/#land > but not Temple-etney > I found these on Ancestry > 1826 & 1827 > Thomas Gibbs Coolonan Ballynockin Killerney (would think this is either a > mistranscription of Killurney or a variant spelling) > 1827 Thomas Gibbs Killurney > I don't know if this means there were two Thomas Gibbs or he held land in > both places- more likely the latter. > Gibbs in Ballynoe Ballypatrick in 1826 &1827 -no personal name given. > Margaret Gibbs Graigue 1827 > Edmund Gibbs West Poulacapple Kilvemnon 1816 > > Curiously Ancestry had all these listed as in the C. P. of Templetenny not > Temple-etney > but I suspect that is a mistranscription. > Pat Connors site has the tithes for Templetenny on her site and the > listing only covers the townlands in Templetenny. > > The valuation books later than Griffith's are in the valuation Office in > Dublin but the LDS have filmed some - if not all- so if you are near a > Family History Centre you could order the film. > > Hope this is of use > Clare > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Cindy, > > > > Yes, they are Patrick and Anastasia's children. William is my husband's > > g-g-grandchildren and yes the William you found was the father of the > > children born between 1868-1887. I do have William and Catherine's > > marriage record. But thank you for offering. > > > > I agree that Patrick is probably on the land with Thomas in 1850. I > wonder > > if Thomas is the father or perhaps an older brother. How would I go > about > > checking valuation updates? > > > > I have seen the 1901 and 1911 census and most definitely they are > William's > > (b. 1844) siblings in Killurney. On one of the censuses, I can't > remember > > which one, they have William's son living with them (Charles Peter). > > > > So far no ties to Kayes/Keyes, but I will certainly keep an eye out. > > Killurney is small enough that it is possible. > > > > Thanks! Annette > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Cindy Wood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Annette, you may want to consider pursuing some of those siblings for > > > William as well. I found 10 additonal baptisms in Kilsheelan Catholic > > > parish born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath: > > > John 1845 > > > Michael 1848 > > > Maria 1850 > > > Julia 1852 > > > Patrick 1856 > > > Anna 1858 > > > Bridget 1859 > > > Thomas 1861 > > > Johanna 1863 > > > Ellen 1870 > > > > > > There are however, 18 baptisms for the surname Gibbs in this Kilsheelan > > > Catholic parish, the remaining baptisms, in the 1868-1880 time period > > were > > > all born to a man called William, would this by chance be the William > > born > > > in 1844? I believe I have the marriage of that William, in 1866, to > > > Catherine Donovan, the marriage record notes his father was Patrick. > > > > > > One of the suggestions was to have a look at who was in the parish > during > > > the time of the Primary Valuation, done in Tipperary in 1850. > Killurney > > > townland, where you find the family, is in Temple-etney civil parish. > At > > > the time of both the Primary Valuation and the Tithe Applotments (done > in > > > this parish in both 1826 and 1827), the only Gibbs listed in the > townland > > > was Thomas Gibbs. My overall hunch is that Patrick is probably on this > > > land, and if you were to check Valuation updates, you might see the > > switch > > > in names from Thomas to Patrick at some point after the time of the > > initial > > > Valuation. > > > > > > Another thing I'd wonder about is whether you'd pursued the census > > returns > > > for this townland. In 1901, a Patrick Gibbs is living in the townland, > > in > > > the home with him are his sister, Bridget and his brother Thomas, as > well > > > as a nephew Charles. These siblings are obviously the children born to > > > Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath, and the group of them remain there in > 1911 > > > as well. > > > > > > If you find yourself tying in with that Kayes family in Killurney, let > me > > > know. They also spell their name Keyes and they belong to me! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, > and > > check the subject line. 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Hi Cindy, Yes, they are Patrick and Anastasia's children. William is my husband's g-g-grandchildren and yes the William you found was the father of the children born between 1868-1887. I do have William and Catherine's marriage record. But thank you for offering. I agree that Patrick is probably on the land with Thomas in 1850. I wonder if Thomas is the father or perhaps an older brother. How would I go about checking valuation updates? I have seen the 1901 and 1911 census and most definitely they are William's (b. 1844) siblings in Killurney. On one of the censuses, I can't remember which one, they have William's son living with them (Charles Peter). So far no ties to Kayes/Keyes, but I will certainly keep an eye out. Killurney is small enough that it is possible. Thanks! Annette On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Cindy Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette, you may want to consider pursuing some of those siblings for > William as well. I found 10 additonal baptisms in Kilsheelan Catholic > parish born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath: > John 1845 > Michael 1848 > Maria 1850 > Julia 1852 > Patrick 1856 > Anna 1858 > Bridget 1859 > Thomas 1861 > Johanna 1863 > Ellen 1870 > > There are however, 18 baptisms for the surname Gibbs in this Kilsheelan > Catholic parish, the remaining baptisms, in the 1868-1880 time period were > all born to a man called William, would this by chance be the William born > in 1844? I believe I have the marriage of that William, in 1866, to > Catherine Donovan, the marriage record notes his father was Patrick. > > One of the suggestions was to have a look at who was in the parish during > the time of the Primary Valuation, done in Tipperary in 1850. Killurney > townland, where you find the family, is in Temple-etney civil parish. At > the time of both the Primary Valuation and the Tithe Applotments (done in > this parish in both 1826 and 1827), the only Gibbs listed in the townland > was Thomas Gibbs. My overall hunch is that Patrick is probably on this > land, and if you were to check Valuation updates, you might see the switch > in names from Thomas to Patrick at some point after the time of the initial > Valuation. > > Another thing I'd wonder about is whether you'd pursued the census returns > for this townland. In 1901, a Patrick Gibbs is living in the townland, in > the home with him are his sister, Bridget and his brother Thomas, as well > as a nephew Charles. These siblings are obviously the children born to > Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath, and the group of them remain there in 1911 > as well. > > If you find yourself tying in with that Kayes family in Killurney, let me > know. They also spell their name Keyes and they belong to me! > >

Annette, you may want to consider pursuing some of those siblings for William as well. I found 10 additonal baptisms in Kilsheelan Catholic parish born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath: John 1845 Michael 1848 Maria 1850 Julia 1852 Patrick 1856 Anna 1858 Bridget 1859 Thomas 1861 Johanna 1863 Ellen 1870 There are however, 18 baptisms for the surname Gibbs in this Kilsheelan Catholic parish, the remaining baptisms, in the 1868-1880 time period were all born to a man called William, would this by chance be the William born in 1844? I believe I have the marriage of that William, in 1866, to Catherine Donovan, the marriage record notes his father was Patrick. One of the suggestions was to have a look at who was in the parish during the time of the Primary Valuation, done in Tipperary in 1850. Killurney townland, where you find the family, is in Temple-etney civil parish. At the time of both the Primary Valuation and the Tithe Applotments (done in this parish in both 1826 and 1827), the only Gibbs listed in the townland was Thomas Gibbs. My overall hunch is that Patrick is probably on this land, and if you were to check Valuation updates, you might see the switch in names from Thomas to Patrick at some point after the time of the initial Valuation. Another thing I'd wonder about is whether you'd pursued the census returns for this townland. In 1901, a Patrick Gibbs is living in the townland, in the home with him are his sister, Bridget and his brother Thomas, as well as a nephew Charles. These siblings are obviously the children born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath, and the group of them remain there in 1911 as well. If you find yourself tying in with that Kayes family in Killurney, let me know. They also spell their name Keyes and they belong to me! Cindy Wood

Annette, Looks like the Gibbs were in Fethard in the early 1700's. Have you searched the archives on the list for Gibbs - URL below. Janet On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Clare, > > One more question - so does that mean I can't go back further than Patrick > at this point?  I have a subscription to findmypast.ie and am finding so > many Gibbs in County Kilkenny, County Waterford, Dublin, County Cork and > Tipperary (Fethard).   But I can't seem to connect the ones in Fethard at > this point, which really isn't all that far from Ballypatrick, which is > where they originally ended up (and some are still there today). > > Annette > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Our messages crossed. I meant that In Kilsheelan parish you can't get earlier baptismal or marriage records. I'd look at land records. I don't know if findmypast has tithe apploments for Killurney Temple-etney Civil parish. if they have and if there is a Gibbs listed you won't be able to get any earlier relevant parish records and it will be difficult to make any connections with Gibbs in other areas. Hope this makes sense. Regards Clare On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Clare, > > One more question - so does that mean I can't go back further than Patrick > at this point? I have a subscription to findmypast.ie and am finding so > many Gibbs in County Kilkenny, County Waterford, Dublin, County Cork and > Tipperary (Fethard). But I can't seem to connect the ones in Fethard at > this point, which really isn't all that far from Ballypatrick, which is > where they originally ended up (and some are still there today). > > Annette > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Annette Well then it is unlikely you will find any earlier Gibbs records in Kilsheelan parish but if you think some of the Gibbs on the IFHF site are related it may mean the family moved around but you would have to know which parish to search. Have you bought any of the IFHF records that might show an area or townland - could give you a clue where to look. clare > > > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Annette Forgot to ask what religious denomination Patrick Gibbs was as this could meant my previous message is not relevant. Clare On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Clare, > > Thanks for the information. I will order the death record and hope it > gives his wife's name as she was still alive, I believe when he died. > > So do you think that the Patrick Gibbs early birth/baptism records that I > found on the IFHC site in South Tipperary, are probably not him? Gibbs is > a fairly uncommon name in South Tipperary and I have found all (so far) to > be related. > > Thank you, Annette > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Clare Tuohy <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Annette > > > > Kilsheelan RC parish covers Killurney but the records only start in 1840. > > So if Patrick Gibbs was born in Killurney you are unlikely to find any > > record there . > > About the death cert it gives name,cause of death, residence at death, > age > > and occupation also informant's name and perhaps relationship (not > always) > > but does not give parent's names. > > > > Hope this is of help. > > > > Clare > > > > > > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Janet - I just did. I seem to be finding the same records that are on findmypast.ie. Annette On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Janet Crawford <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette, Looks like the Gibbs were in Fethard in the early 1700's. > Have you searched the archives on the list for Gibbs - URL below. > > Janet > >

Clare, I have not bought any IFHF records yet, as I was uncertain if any of them were my Patrick Gibbs. In the Griffiths valuation, there is a Thomas Gibbs in Killurney. I wonder if that is Patrick's father? I think Griffiths valuation was valid in 1850. There is also 3 other Gibbs in County Tipperary - William - Baptistgrange Michael - Grangemockler Catherine - Kilvemnon in GV. I looked at Tithe apploments for Temple-etney and I wonder if I am looking in the right place? Because not only did I not find any Gibbs, but I didn't find any townland called Killurney. Can someone send me the link please? Thanks, Annette On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Clare Tuohy <[email protected]> wrote: > Our messages crossed. I meant that In Kilsheelan parish you can't get > earlier baptismal or marriage records. I'd look at land records. I don't > know if findmypast has tithe apploments for Killurney Temple-etney Civil > parish. if they have and if there is a Gibbs listed you won't be able to > get any earlier relevant parish records and it will be difficult to make > any connections with Gibbs in other areas. > Hope this makes sense. > Regards > Clare > >

Annette Kilsheelan RC parish covers Killurney but the records only start in 1840. So if Patrick Gibbs was born in Killurney you are unlikely to find any record there . About the death cert it gives name,cause of death, residence at death, age and occupation also informant's name and perhaps relationship (not always) but does not give parent's names. Hope this is of help. Clare On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I have reached a brick wall with my husband's ancestor Patrick Gibbs. He > is from Killurney, County Tipperary. He married Anastasia McGrath around > 1842/43. Their first two children were named William Gibbs (b. 1843, must > have died young) and William (b. 15 Jan 1844). That makes me think > Patrick's father must have been William. However, when I go to the IFHC > site and put in Patrick Gibbs, there are several born in the early 1800's > and none of them have the father William (in fact, I don't know who the > father is as it does not list him, unless I buy the record). There are > several Patrick Gibbs born in that timeframe and I don't know which one he > is. There appears to be a Patrick Gibbs that died in 1885 (born 1820) and > it was reported in Clonmel. So that is most likely him. If I order the > death record, will that give me more information? If so, how can I order > the record. Does anyone have any advice on how I can find out more > information about Patrick and his parents? > > Thanks, Annette > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Clare, One more question - so does that mean I can't go back further than Patrick at this point? I have a subscription to findmypast.ie and am finding so many Gibbs in County Kilkenny, County Waterford, Dublin, County Cork and Tipperary (Fethard). But I can't seem to connect the ones in Fethard at this point, which really isn't all that far from Ballypatrick, which is where they originally ended up (and some are still there today). Annette

Clare, He is Catholic. Annette On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Clare Tuohy <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette > Forgot to ask what religious denomination Patrick Gibbs was as this could > meant my previous message is not relevant. > Clare > >

Clare, Thanks for the information. I will order the death record and hope it gives his wife's name as she was still alive, I believe when he died. So do you think that the Patrick Gibbs early birth/baptism records that I found on the IFHC site in South Tipperary, are probably not him? Gibbs is a fairly uncommon name in South Tipperary and I have found all (so far) to be related. Thank you, Annette On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Clare Tuohy <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette > > Kilsheelan RC parish covers Killurney but the records only start in 1840. > So if Patrick Gibbs was born in Killurney you are unlikely to find any > record there . > About the death cert it gives name,cause of death, residence at death, age > and occupation also informant's name and perhaps relationship (not always) > but does not give parent's names. > > Hope this is of help. > > Clare > > >