For those who do not own a copy of the [HUGE] townland Index book, there is one available on EPPI for 1871 here: http://eppi.dippam.ac.uk/documents/16380 If you are able, you can download it to a cd and it will probably be searchable. Janet

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:50 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for the Tipperary info, Janet!  Any idea where I could find the RC records from churches in the town of Lattin?  I don't know the names of any, so even this would be helpful. > Also, anyone on the list know Mrs. Eliza Lewis or Mrs. John Hartnett from around Kilross ?  Their maiden name was Burnes. > Thanks. They were posted on here a few years back and can be found in the archives of this list All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary Use the search function for all the various forms of Burns. Or ask here and I will take a look. Janet

Thank you for the Tipperary info, Janet! Any idea where I could find the RC records from churches in the town of Lattin? I don't know the names of any, so even this would be helpful. Also, anyone on the list know Mrs. Eliza Lewis or Mrs. John Hartnett from around Kilross ? Their maiden name was Burnes. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Janet Crawford <[email protected]> To: cotipperary <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] 1870/71 Census, Clanwilliam Barony, Co Tipperary Thank you, Phil, and everyone else. Phil, you will find that Gr-Grandfather one of these days. It would be awful to be retired and sit on your bum and not do anything when there are so many fun things to do and discover, so I jump in and do what I can. Janet On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:57 PM, PHILIP COLLINS <[email protected]> wrote: > Janet, thank you for all your work. I read every posting - haven't found my great-grandfather yet, but did get a couple of "Collins"'s from your listings. It is wonderful you are willing to give of your time so much! > > Phil Collins, in Western Massachusetts, U.S.A. > > --- On Wed, 2/29/12, Janet Crawford <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Janet Crawford <[email protected]> > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] 1870/71 Census, Clanwilliam Barony, Co Tipperary > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 12:13 PM > > > It is finished and if I ever have to type "John Ryan" again, it will > be too soon. For anyone who wants to look at the total work, it is in > the archives > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/CoTipperary/2012-02 > > I hurried to get it all into a single month, although I may have a > couple of corrections into March. > > Janet > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Does anyone have connection to Ed Devitt who married Mary Ryan in Coonmore, Tipperary in 1851. Witnesses were Patt Russell and Margaret Moloughney. Many thanks. Shirley

The following surnames, among others, are normally associated witrh this sept/tribal group: Barie, Barr, Barrie, Barry, Bogue, Bohan, Bohane, Bohen, Bowe, Bowes, Broder, Broderick, Cass, Clanchy, Clancie, Clancy, Clinch, Coffee, Coffey, Cohig, Connor, Connors, Cooley, Corby, Cormick, Corry, Cowry, Credan, Cronin, Cullen, Cullennan, Cullinan, Cullinane, Curdin, Curry, Dark, Denny, Derkan, Dineen, Dinneen, Doheny, Donnelly, Donovan, Doogan, Doolan, Doolin, Doorty, Dorgan, Dowdall, Dowling, Downes, Downey, Downing, Driscol, Driscoll, Driskell, Driskill, Duane, Duggan, Durk, Dwan, Feehily, Feely, Field, Finan, Finn, Flynn, Fox, Fynn, Gaughan, Gavan, Gavin, Glancy, Green, Hamilton, Hanafey, Hanvey, Hayes, Hea, Hennessey, Hennessy, Hernon, Hogan, Hooney, Horan, Hourisky, Hussey, Hyney, Keady, Keevan, Kelley, Kelly, Kennedy, Kerdin, Kyne, Laddy, Lahiff, Lahy, Lannin, Leahy, Leary, Lenane, Lennon, Liddy, Lingshy, Lynch, Lynchy, Macnie, Manahan, Mangan, Mannin, Mannix, McClancy, McKen, McLarran, McMurray, Mirreen, Moakley, Modan, Mohally, Mohilly, Mongan, Moyny, Murray, Nolan, Nowlan, O'Coffey, O'Connor, O'Cowhig, O'Curnains, O'Curnins, O'Donovan, O'Driscoll, O'Finan, O'Flynn, O'Hea, O'Kelley, O'Kelly, O'Kennedy, O'Leary, Quillinan, Cullinan, Callinan [of Cork], Quinlan of Munster, Quin, Rogers, Rory, Rowley, Shallow, Shelly, Shinny, Torpy, Travers, Trevor, Tromulty. Janet

Hi all, I have been involved in starting a new list for people probably descended from a tribal group called the Corca Laidhe [several other spellings] who began in West Cork but spread throughout Munster. The General Information page where one can access the archives or subscribe is found here: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/IRL-CORCA-LAIDHE-DNA.html What follows is an Introduction to the purpose of the project. In my second message I will send a list of the surnames we know to be involved. We would love to have anyone with one of these surnames join the list, particularly anyone who has had a DNA test already. This is the place, however, to do more tracing as some of the people tested haven't been able to get very far with their tracing. It is not necessary to have had a DNA test to belong, and it is a place where you can ask more questions about testing if you are interested. If you trace one or more of these surnames and you just want to record your interest in one more place, you are very welcome to post your message. Don't panic if you don't understand anything about DNA; there are people to help. Here is the Introduction written by Colin Ferguson: The goals of the project are to see if DNA can corroborate the genealogies of the Corca Laide and to identify the DNA signatures of the surnames in those genealogies.  Currently the focus is on building a haplotype database for names said to have sprung from the Corca Laidhe. The data is made available to other investigators and family historians for analysis as may suit their purpose on the project website at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Corca_Laidhe/ The genealogy of the Corca Laidhe is described by John O'Donovan in his treatise published in 1849 by the Celtic Society in the book "Miscellany of the Celtic Society". The book is online as both a scanned copy and a transcribed copy; see:' http://ia700302.us.archive.org/7/items/miscellanyofcelt00celt/miscellanyofcelt00celt.pdf http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T105009/index.html The genealogy is not straight forward, there is conflicting information in O'Donovan and only a few of the names have pedigrees. There are other sources to consider. A subsidiary purpose of the project is to compile the genealogy of the Corca Laidhe so that pertinent data is collected. I act as the project admin and the project spun off of the Driscoll project which I also administer. Co-Admin Janet Crawford is an avid researcher of the Corca Laidhe, being descended from Cuileannain, hereditary chief of the Corca Laidhe.  Co-Admin Martha Bowes is Admin of the Bowes DNA Project and is archive holder for the Guild of One-Name Studies on behalf of the Bowes. This list provides a means for interested parties to contribute to the project via discussion of both the DNA data and the attendant genealogy of the Corca Laidhe. Such discussion is essential as assistance is required with both technical issues and in research on particular surnames. Please pass this message on to any other lists as you may wish. Second message coming. Janet

I think it is a great idea to get such things clear earliest as possible Arthur but then I'm side stepped to Australia. Good luck with the writing Della Palmer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Carden Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2012 5:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Names for American branches of the family Listers who visit <http://www.lulu.com> www.lulu.com and put CARDEN in the search box will see two new books, CARDEN IN AMERICA compiled by Chuck Carden THE CARDEN DNA PROJECT by Arthur Carden (don't buy them yet - wait about a month until revised editions are available!) While working on these books I have been struck by the need to have a brief name for each branch, to make references to them easier. Almost all the branches in England and Ireland have names based on where their oldest known ancestor lived, and I would like to use this as a basis for proposing names for American branches as follows. RAPPAHANNOCK (for Old Rappahannock County, Virginia). To quote Chuck: "Robert Carden (The First) born after 1635 in Virginia; died after 18 Feb 1684/85 in old Rappahannock County, Virginia. He married about 1652 in Virginia ." I am reluctant to suggest the familiar name GOOCHLAND as he never lived there. I am reluctant to suggest SPEEDWELL as it is by no means certain that his father arrived aboard the Speedwell from England. COFFEE (for Coffee County, Tennessee). To quote Chuck: "James J. Carden, born 1756 in Goochland County, Virginia; died after 1842 in Manchester, Coffee County, Tennessee; buried in Carden Cemetery, Manchester, Coffee County, Tennessee. He married on 20 Jan 1784 in Granville County, (VA) North Carolina Elizabeth Fuller, ." BOTETOURT (for Botetourt County, Virginia). To quote Chuck: "Joseph Carden was listed as living in Botetourt County, Virginia. in 1803 (prior to 1803 there were no Carden's listed). . In 1816, Joseph was still listed on the Botetourt Land Records. In 1817 & 1818, his sons, Joseph, Allen, & Isaac were still listed in Botetourt County, Virginia, but were now living in Monroe County, Virginia. (Monroe County, Virginia was formed partly out of Botetourt County, Virginia.) Joseph's will was dated 2 June 1817 in Monroe County ." Perhaps MONROE would be more memorable (and more easily spelled). MONTICELLO (Jefferson's estate). To quote Chuck: "Youen Carden was a miller who worked and resided at Monticello from 1808 to 1824." This seems a more memorable and evocative name than any of the other places where Youen, or whatever he was called, lived. SHELBY (for Shelby County, Alabama). To quote Chuck: "James Harvey Reuben Carden, born 5 Apr Charles S9 Jun 1899 in Shelby County, Alabama; buried in Four Mile Baptist Church Cemetery, Shelby County, Alabama. He married on 2 Oct 1839 in Shelby, Shelby County, Alabama Mary Elizabeth Dean , born about 1816 in Tennessee; died 1 Aug 1894 in Shelby, Shelby County, Alabama, daughter of Jacob Dean" SPARTANBURG (for Spartanburg County, South Carolina). To quote Chuck: "Jordan Carden , born about 1779 in South Carolina; died 1826 in Reform, Pickens County, Alabama, son of (---) Carden . He married about 1803 in Spartanburg County, South Carolina Hettie Ann Watson ." PICKENS or REFORM might be just as good, but I like the sound of Spartanburg. The names Pickens and Spartanburg crop up many times in this branch of the family. YORKSHIRE (for Yorkshire, England). To quote Chuck: "William Carden, born 1795 in Yorkshire, England; died 1881 in Middletown, Des Moines County, Iowa ." CARTER (for Carter County Tennessee). To quote Chuck: "Ancil (or Ansel) Godfrey Carden , born 1796 in North Carolina; died 1 Jun 1854 in Carter County, Tennessee. He married on 4 Feb 1823 in Carter County, Tennessee Susan Humphries ." I was tempted to suggest ANSEL as this name appears so often in this branch. POWHATAN (for Powhatan County, Virginia. "Robert Carden , born 10 Feb 1776 in Powhatan County, Virginia; died 18 Jan 1835 in Shelby County, Alabama. He married Nancy Haynes ." (Perhaps one day the POWHATAN and SHELBY branches will be amalgamated). BRECKINRIDGE (for Breckinridge County, Kentucky). To quote Chuck: "Samuel W. Carden, born 28 Apr 1811 in Green County, Kentucky; died 7 Jun 1903 in Ohio County, Kentucky; buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery, Fordsville, Ohio County, Kentucky. He married in Kentucky Joanna T. Wilkerson , born 2 Mar 1829 in Grayson County, Kentucky; died 29 Jun 1890 in Ohio County, Kentucky; buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery, Fordsville, Ohio County, Kentucky. . Samuel W. and family resided in Breckinridge County, Kentucky." WAKE (for Wake County, North Carolina). To quote Chuck: "William Carden, born about 1730; died before 2 Jun 1777 in Wake County, North Carolina. . Wake County was formed out of Johnston, Cumberland and Orange Counties in 1771" NODAWAY (for Nodaway County, Missouri). To quote Chuck: "John Carden, born 1800 in Virginia. . Children of John Carden and Mary "Polly" Moore were as follows: John Warner Carden , born 11 Oct 1826 in Orange County, North Carolina; died 21 Jun 1908 in Quitman, Nodaway County, Missouri. . James Carden , born 3 May 1829 in North Carolina; died 7 Aug 1842 in North Carolina. . Joseph S. Carden , born 28 May 1832 in North Carolina; died 27 Jul 1868 in Nodaway County, Missouri." I have always preferred NODAWAY to ORANGE. Chuck approves of these names. Comments please! This is important as the names may be used for many years into the future. There are lots more branches of course, but those above feature in Chuck's book. If your own branch is not mentioned above, please post something about it and suggest a name, Maybe I'll suggest some more before too long. Please react soon as I want to use the names in the next editions of the books. Arthur Carden of Horsham, England (with apologies for my nerve in trying to bully my American cousins) Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Della and other CoTipperary listers - the message was intended for the CARDEN mailing list, and I sent it to CoTip list by mistake. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Della Palmer Sent: 06 March 2012 21:11 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Names for American branches of the family I think it is a great idea to get such things clear earliest as possible Arthur but then I'm side stepped to Australia. Good luck with the writing Della Palmer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Carden Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2012 5:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Names for American branches of the family Listers who visit <http://www.lulu.com> www.lulu.com and put CARDEN in the search box will see two new books, CARDEN IN AMERICA compiled by Chuck Carden THE CARDEN DNA PROJECT by Arthur Carden (don't buy them yet - wait about a month until revised editions are available!) While working on these books I have been struck by the need to have a brief name for each branch, to make references to them easier. Almost all the branches in England and Ireland have names based on where their oldest known ancestor lived, and I would like to use this as a basis for proposing names for American branches as follows. RAPPAHANNOCK (for Old Rappahannock County, Virginia). To quote Chuck: "Robert Carden (The First) born after 1635 in Virginia; died after 18 Feb 1684/85 in old Rappahannock County, Virginia. He married about 1652 in Virginia ." I am reluctant to suggest the familiar name GOOCHLAND as he never lived there. I am reluctant to suggest SPEEDWELL as it is by no means certain that his father arrived aboard the Speedwell from England. COFFEE (for Coffee County, Tennessee). To quote Chuck: "James J. Carden, born 1756 in Goochland County, Virginia; died after 1842 in Manchester, Coffee County, Tennessee; buried in Carden Cemetery, Manchester, Coffee County, Tennessee. He married on 20 Jan 1784 in Granville County, (VA) North Carolina Elizabeth Fuller, ." BOTETOURT (for Botetourt County, Virginia). To quote Chuck: "Joseph Carden was listed as living in Botetourt County, Virginia. in 1803 (prior to 1803 there were no Carden's listed). . In 1816, Joseph was still listed on the Botetourt Land Records. In 1817 & 1818, his sons, Joseph, Allen, & Isaac were still listed in Botetourt County, Virginia, but were now living in Monroe County, Virginia. (Monroe County, Virginia was formed partly out of Botetourt County, Virginia.) Joseph's will was dated 2 June 1817 in Monroe County ." Perhaps MONROE would be more memorable (and more easily spelled). MONTICELLO (Jefferson's estate). To quote Chuck: "Youen Carden was a miller who worked and resided at Monticello from 1808 to 1824." This seems a more memorable and evocative name than any of the other places where Youen, or whatever he was called, lived. SHELBY (for Shelby County, Alabama). To quote Chuck: "James Harvey Reuben Carden, born 5 Apr Charles S9 Jun 1899 in Shelby County, Alabama; buried in Four Mile Baptist Church Cemetery, Shelby County, Alabama. He married on 2 Oct 1839 in Shelby, Shelby County, Alabama Mary Elizabeth Dean , born about 1816 in Tennessee; died 1 Aug 1894 in Shelby, Shelby County, Alabama, daughter of Jacob Dean" SPARTANBURG (for Spartanburg County, South Carolina). To quote Chuck: "Jordan Carden , born about 1779 in South Carolina; died 1826 in Reform, Pickens County, Alabama, son of (---) Carden . He married about 1803 in Spartanburg County, South Carolina Hettie Ann Watson ." PICKENS or REFORM might be just as good, but I like the sound of Spartanburg. The names Pickens and Spartanburg crop up many times in this branch of the family. YORKSHIRE (for Yorkshire, England). To quote Chuck: "William Carden, born 1795 in Yorkshire, England; died 1881 in Middletown, Des Moines County, Iowa ." CARTER (for Carter County Tennessee). To quote Chuck: "Ancil (or Ansel) Godfrey Carden , born 1796 in North Carolina; died 1 Jun 1854 in Carter County, Tennessee. He married on 4 Feb 1823 in Carter County, Tennessee Susan Humphries ." I was tempted to suggest ANSEL as this name appears so often in this branch. POWHATAN (for Powhatan County, Virginia. "Robert Carden , born 10 Feb 1776 in Powhatan County, Virginia; died 18 Jan 1835 in Shelby County, Alabama. He married Nancy Haynes ." (Perhaps one day the POWHATAN and SHELBY branches will be amalgamated). BRECKINRIDGE (for Breckinridge County, Kentucky). To quote Chuck: "Samuel W. Carden, born 28 Apr 1811 in Green County, Kentucky; died 7 Jun 1903 in Ohio County, Kentucky; buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery, Fordsville, Ohio County, Kentucky. He married in Kentucky Joanna T. Wilkerson , born 2 Mar 1829 in Grayson County, Kentucky; died 29 Jun 1890 in Ohio County, Kentucky; buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery, Fordsville, Ohio County, Kentucky. . Samuel W. and family resided in Breckinridge County, Kentucky." WAKE (for Wake County, North Carolina). To quote Chuck: "William Carden, born about 1730; died before 2 Jun 1777 in Wake County, North Carolina. . Wake County was formed out of Johnston, Cumberland and Orange Counties in 1771" NODAWAY (for Nodaway County, Missouri). To quote Chuck: "John Carden, born 1800 in Virginia. . Children of John Carden and Mary "Polly" Moore were as follows: John Warner Carden , born 11 Oct 1826 in Orange County, North Carolina; died 21 Jun 1908 in Quitman, Nodaway County, Missouri. . James Carden , born 3 May 1829 in North Carolina; died 7 Aug 1842 in North Carolina. . Joseph S. Carden , born 28 May 1832 in North Carolina; died 27 Jul 1868 in Nodaway County, Missouri." I have always preferred NODAWAY to ORANGE. Chuck approves of these names. Comments please! This is important as the names may be used for many years into the future. There are lots more branches of course, but those above feature in Chuck's book. If your own branch is not mentioned above, please post something about it and suggest a name, Maybe I'll suggest some more before too long. Please react soon as I want to use the names in the next editions of the books. Arthur Carden of Horsham, England (with apologies for my nerve in trying to bully my American cousins) Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listers who visit <http://www.lulu.com> www.lulu.com and put CARDEN in the search box will see two new books, CARDEN IN AMERICA compiled by Chuck Carden THE CARDEN DNA PROJECT by Arthur Carden (don't buy them yet - wait about a month until revised editions are available!) While working on these books I have been struck by the need to have a brief name for each branch, to make references to them easier. Almost all the branches in England and Ireland have names based on where their oldest known ancestor lived, and I would like to use this as a basis for proposing names for American branches as follows. RAPPAHANNOCK (for Old Rappahannock County, Virginia). To quote Chuck: "Robert Carden (The First) born after 1635 in Virginia; died after 18 Feb 1684/85 in old Rappahannock County, Virginia. He married about 1652 in Virginia ." I am reluctant to suggest the familiar name GOOCHLAND as he never lived there. I am reluctant to suggest SPEEDWELL as it is by no means certain that his father arrived aboard the Speedwell from England. COFFEE (for Coffee County, Tennessee). To quote Chuck: "James J. Carden, born 1756 in Goochland County, Virginia; died after 1842 in Manchester, Coffee County, Tennessee; buried in Carden Cemetery, Manchester, Coffee County, Tennessee. He married on 20 Jan 1784 in Granville County, (VA) North Carolina Elizabeth Fuller, ." BOTETOURT (for Botetourt County, Virginia). To quote Chuck: "Joseph Carden was listed as living in Botetourt County, Virginia. in 1803 (prior to 1803 there were no Carden's listed). . In 1816, Joseph was still listed on the Botetourt Land Records. In 1817 & 1818, his sons, Joseph, Allen, & Isaac were still listed in Botetourt County, Virginia, but were now living in Monroe County, Virginia. (Monroe County, Virginia was formed partly out of Botetourt County, Virginia.) Joseph's will was dated 2 June 1817 in Monroe County ." Perhaps MONROE would be more memorable (and more easily spelled). MONTICELLO (Jefferson's estate). To quote Chuck: "Youen Carden was a miller who worked and resided at Monticello from 1808 to 1824." This seems a more memorable and evocative name than any of the other places where Youen, or whatever he was called, lived. SHELBY (for Shelby County, Alabama). To quote Chuck: "James Harvey Reuben Carden, born 5 Apr Charles S9 Jun 1899 in Shelby County, Alabama; buried in Four Mile Baptist Church Cemetery, Shelby County, Alabama. He married on 2 Oct 1839 in Shelby, Shelby County, Alabama Mary Elizabeth Dean , born about 1816 in Tennessee; died 1 Aug 1894 in Shelby, Shelby County, Alabama, daughter of Jacob Dean" SPARTANBURG (for Spartanburg County, South Carolina). To quote Chuck: "Jordan Carden , born about 1779 in South Carolina; died 1826 in Reform, Pickens County, Alabama, son of (---) Carden . He married about 1803 in Spartanburg County, South Carolina Hettie Ann Watson ." PICKENS or REFORM might be just as good, but I like the sound of Spartanburg. The names Pickens and Spartanburg crop up many times in this branch of the family. YORKSHIRE (for Yorkshire, England). To quote Chuck: "William Carden, born 1795 in Yorkshire, England; died 1881 in Middletown, Des Moines County, Iowa ." CARTER (for Carter County Tennessee). To quote Chuck: "Ancil (or Ansel) Godfrey Carden , born 1796 in North Carolina; died 1 Jun 1854 in Carter County, Tennessee. He married on 4 Feb 1823 in Carter County, Tennessee Susan Humphries ." I was tempted to suggest ANSEL as this name appears so often in this branch. POWHATAN (for Powhatan County, Virginia. "Robert Carden , born 10 Feb 1776 in Powhatan County, Virginia; died 18 Jan 1835 in Shelby County, Alabama. He married Nancy Haynes ." (Perhaps one day the POWHATAN and SHELBY branches will be amalgamated). BRECKINRIDGE (for Breckinridge County, Kentucky). To quote Chuck: "Samuel W. Carden, born 28 Apr 1811 in Green County, Kentucky; died 7 Jun 1903 in Ohio County, Kentucky; buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery, Fordsville, Ohio County, Kentucky. He married in Kentucky Joanna T. Wilkerson , born 2 Mar 1829 in Grayson County, Kentucky; died 29 Jun 1890 in Ohio County, Kentucky; buried in Pleasant Grove Cemetery, Fordsville, Ohio County, Kentucky. . Samuel W. and family resided in Breckinridge County, Kentucky." WAKE (for Wake County, North Carolina). To quote Chuck: "William Carden, born about 1730; died before 2 Jun 1777 in Wake County, North Carolina. . Wake County was formed out of Johnston, Cumberland and Orange Counties in 1771" NODAWAY (for Nodaway County, Missouri). To quote Chuck: "John Carden, born 1800 in Virginia. . Children of John Carden and Mary "Polly" Moore were as follows: John Warner Carden , born 11 Oct 1826 in Orange County, North Carolina; died 21 Jun 1908 in Quitman, Nodaway County, Missouri. . James Carden , born 3 May 1829 in North Carolina; died 7 Aug 1842 in North Carolina. . Joseph S. Carden , born 28 May 1832 in North Carolina; died 27 Jul 1868 in Nodaway County, Missouri." I have always preferred NODAWAY to ORANGE. Chuck approves of these names. Comments please! This is important as the names may be used for many years into the future. There are lots more branches of course, but those above feature in Chuck's book. If your own branch is not mentioned above, please post something about it and suggest a name, Maybe I'll suggest some more before too long. Please react soon as I want to use the names in the next editions of the books. Arthur Carden of Horsham, England (with apologies for my nerve in trying to bully my American cousins)

Hi John Ryan, Would you believe that half the families on the main road here are Ryan's? but only 2 of them are John's. The other John Ryan lives over on the other road. Nicknames are big here. 3 John Ryan's within a few miles. I do have a whole lot of the Ryan genealogy up into the 1600's and after that they breed like coat hangers in the dark and I can't get the lines figured out. Very frustrating. I still have to go back through that census and pick up the placenames for those nicknames. Janet On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:38 PM, John Ryan <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi from another John Ryan. We have at least half a dozen John Ryan's in our family and a similar number of James Ryan's. The farthest back I can go is to the 1830's when one of my James Ryans from Tipperary married an Anne O'Beien from Limerick.They had at least one son John, a daughter Mary and another Honora. > > I can't believe how common the name Ryan is in Ireland. > > John Ryan > Cleveland, Ohio

Hi from another John Ryan. We have at least half a dozen John Ryan's in our family and a similar number of James Ryan's. The farthest back I can go is to the 1830's when one of my James Ryans from Tipperary married an Anne O'Beien from Limerick.They had at least one son John, a daughter Mary and another Honora. I can't believe how common the name Ryan is in Ireland. John Ryan Cleveland, Ohio --- On Fri, 3/2/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] John Ryan > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 12:43 AM > Great!  I have 40 John Ryans > that I can contribute!   But mine are from > Limerick, mainly. > > > In a message dated 3/1/2012 2:45:31 P.M. Pacific Standard > Time,  > [email protected] > writes: > > > I  think we need to have a special Rootsweb list just > for "John Ryan" > where we  can "dissect" every John Ryan we can find in > Co. Tipp and > Waterford. If we  can pin a tag on everyone of them, we > may beat them > at their game of hide  & seek. > > Janet > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are > replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest > mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the > entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be > the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the > Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Ellen I will use your info to make a note in FTM2012 in case something comes up . Another member said there are Tobins still in Bansha but I have sent a letter to both with a stamped addressed envelope but no reply . Australia is a long way away and at 83 and pensioner knocking on their door is out of the question . I wonder if the Catholic Priest might be a good idea with my plea . You never know . Keep looking for there is a lot of Waterford info coming on line as per the emails I receive .Tipperary and Waterford are neighbours and yours would have left from Cobh ( Cork) .Off the cuff A parish covers part of Tipperary and Waterford . One of my ancestors came as a famine orphan in 1848 and had 9 children and they never asked their mother where she came from or who her mother and father were . All the best Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2012 3:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Matthew Ryan Laurie, They came from Tipperary or Waterford County, I'm not sure which. --- On Thu, 3/1/12, Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Matthew Ryan To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 5:14 PM Hello Ellen , Thankyou for your thought , it could open a door . Could be a cousin or nephew for Matthew is an uncommon name . Your Matthew could be the son of my Matthew`s brother . I do not know Matthew`s Parents but my Matthew would have been born c1800 and married c1830 to Julia Tobin .  Do you know where your Ryans came from . Regards  Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 8:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Matthew Ryan Hello Laurie,  This is a long shot, but I have a Matthew Ryan born around 1830 living in New York state in 1860 with his wife Catherine White and an elderly woman (his mother?) named Julia Ryan.  Was one of the children named Matthew Jr. perhaps? Best, Ellen --- On Thu, 3/1/12, Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Matthew Ryan To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 3:46 PM Hello all you  Ryan Researchers .  My Ryan was Matthew . I also searched the great work of Janet and never came across a Matthew Ryan , My Matthew and Julia Tobin`s children were all Baptised from 1831 to 1844 at the Bansha Catholic Church . That is the only Irish record of this family , but Julia and family are in London in 1851 Census but no Matthew . Even with an uncommon name I am stuck  . Cheers to all and good luck . Laurie   Mount Waverley  Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shirley Brown Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 9:25 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] John Ryan While we are at it can we have a list for:  Denis Ryan, Patrick Ryan, Michael Ryan etc. etc.  :)  (Maybe then I could find some of my elusive Ryan's) !!! Great job Janet  -  Many thanks. Shirley  -  Geraldton, Western Australia Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. 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When you think about it Cara. It is not so different from today. We get married where we women were brought up and move to our husbands parents address (if you married a farmer)and add to the continual line of children with husband surname and same parish and address- Just like our mother-in-law did! And yes I married into an Irish RC family here in Aus. Hanrahan and Ryan- I find the Ryan's too hard. "Born Ireland" for a Patrick Ryan is in my too look at later pile! Della Palmer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 8:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Ryan/Tobin of Bansha What I have noted doing Irish research is that the woman married in her hometown parish, and they went off to live in the husband's parish, which would then make Bansha his parish and not hers, in fact children of a RC marriage were baptised in the husbands' parish not the woman's as a general rule. Although I see no reason why the first born may not be born in the womans' parish if she went home to give birth with her mother to hold her hand so to speak. So is there no reason that they both belonged to the Bansha Parish? Suggestions to think about not to deviate you from your search. Cheers Cara -----Original Message----- Hello All , I do not know when or where Matthew Ryan and Julia Tobin were born or married but all their children were baptized at The Bansha Roman Catholic Church Co. Tipperary , namely The Children of Matthew and Julia were baptised in the Bansha Catholic Church Co. Tipperary : Bridget bp 12/06/1831 Sponsors Ed O`Connor and Catherine Tobin Catherine bp 10/05/1833 Sponsors James Kennedy & Fanny Hogan Mary bp 01/06/1835 sponsors William O`Dwyer and Mary Shanahan Ellen bp 12/06/1837 Sponsors John Ryan and Fanny Hogan Julia bp 07/06/1840 Sponsors Thomas Tobin and Mary Tobin AS there is only one Ryan Sponsor , I assume that Matthew Ryan could be from another parish and Julia Tobin`s hometown was Bansha . The 1851 census shows that Julia ( mother ) and children are in London but no trace of Matthew before Coming to Melbourne November 1857 on the Shalimar . Can anyone help . Thanks Laurie

Laurie, They came from Tipperary or Waterford County, I'm not sure which. --- On Thu, 3/1/12, Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Matthew Ryan To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 5:14 PM Hello Ellen , Thankyou for your thought , it could open a door . Could be a cousin or nephew for Matthew is an uncommon name . Your Matthew could be the son of my Matthew`s brother . I do not know Matthew`s Parents but my Matthew would have been born c1800 and married c1830 to Julia Tobin .  Do you know where your Ryans came from . Regards  Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 8:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Matthew Ryan Hello Laurie,  This is a long shot, but I have a Matthew Ryan born around 1830 living in New York state in 1860 with his wife Catherine White and an elderly woman (his mother?) named Julia Ryan.  Was one of the children named Matthew Jr. perhaps? Best, Ellen --- On Thu, 3/1/12, Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Matthew Ryan To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 3:46 PM Hello all you  Ryan Researchers .  My Ryan was Matthew . I also searched the great work of Janet and never came across a Matthew Ryan , My Matthew and Julia Tobin`s children were all Baptised from 1831 to 1844 at the Bansha Catholic Church . That is the only Irish record of this family , but Julia and family are in London in 1851 Census but no Matthew . Even with an uncommon name I am stuck  . Cheers to all and good luck . Laurie   Mount Waverley  Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shirley Brown Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 9:25 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] John Ryan While we are at it can we have a list for:  Denis Ryan, Patrick Ryan, Michael Ryan etc. etc.  :)  (Maybe then I could find some of my elusive Ryan's) !!! Great job Janet  -  Many thanks. Shirley  -  Geraldton, Western Australia Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cara . You are a truly a real researcher with a great heart . Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 6:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] MATTHEW - UNCOMMON? Oh no I was not looking for an apology, you have nothing to apologise for, I truly thought you were simply as the Irish would say *codding me* as Matthew is such a truly Irish boys name, could never imagine it being a rare name in any family, Matthew, John, Edward, and William seemed to me to be the higher boys names used down through time. No need to apologise I was never offended just amused this time. Cheers Cara -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson Sent: 02 March 2012 11:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] MATTHEW - UNCOMMON? Cara . I must apologize . Betty Gough has corrected me with facts . You are never too old to learn and at 83 I am still learning . Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] MATTHEW - UNCOMMON? Matthew - am I to believe you believe that Matthew is an uncommon name or are you being silly? Cara Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4845 - Release Date: 03/01/12 Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What I have noted doing Irish research is that the woman married in her hometown parish, and they went off to live in the husband's parish, which would then make Bansha his parish and not hers, in fact children of a RC marriage were baptised in the husbands' parish not the woman's as a general rule. Although I see no reason why the first born may not be born in the womans' parish if she went home to give birth with her mother to hold her hand so to speak. So is there no reason that they both belonged to the Bansha Parish? Suggestions to think about not to deviate you from your search. Cheers Cara -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson Sent: 23 February 2012 11:34 To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] Ryan/Tobin of Bansha Hello All , I do not know when or where Matthew Ryan and Julia Tobin were born or married but all their children were baptized at The Bansha Roman Catholic Church Co. Tipperary , namely The Children of Matthew and Julia were baptised in the Bansha Catholic Church Co. Tipperary : Bridget bp 12/06/1831 Sponsors Ed O`Connor and Catherine Tobin Catherine bp 10/05/1833 Sponsors James Kennedy & Fanny Hogan Mary bp 01/06/1835 sponsors William O`Dwyer and Mary Shanahan Ellen bp 12/06/1837 Sponsors John Ryan and Fanny Hogan Julia bp 07/06/1840 Sponsors Thomas Tobin and Mary Tobin AS there is only one Ryan Sponsor , I assume that Matthew Ryan could be from another parish and Julia Tobin`s hometown was Bansha . The 1851 census shows that Julia ( mother ) and children are in London but no trace of Matthew before Coming to Melbourne November 1857 on the Shalimar . Can anyone help . Thanks Laurie Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2113/4825 - Release Date: 02/22/12

Oh no I was not looking for an apology, you have nothing to apologise for, I truly thought you were simply as the Irish would say *codding me* as Matthew is such a truly Irish boys name, could never imagine it being a rare name in any family, Matthew, John, Edward, and William seemed to me to be the higher boys names used down through time. No need to apologise I was never offended just amused this time. Cheers Cara -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson Sent: 02 March 2012 11:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] MATTHEW - UNCOMMON? Cara . I must apologize . Betty Gough has corrected me with facts . You are never too old to learn and at 83 I am still learning . Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] MATTHEW - UNCOMMON? Matthew - am I to believe you believe that Matthew is an uncommon name or are you being silly? Cara Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4845 - Release Date: 03/01/12

Cara . I must apologize . Betty Gough has corrected me with facts . You are never too old to learn and at 83 I am still learning . Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] MATTHEW - UNCOMMON? Matthew - am I to believe you believe that Matthew is an uncommon name or are you being silly? Cara Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cara . Matthew as Matthew Ryan is uncommon but Matthew attached to other names is common . My Grandson is Matthew Thompson . All the best . Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [COTIPPERARY] MATTHEW - UNCOMMON? Matthew - am I to believe you believe that Matthew is an uncommon name or are you being silly? Cara Please remove extraneous text when replying: Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Matthew - am I to believe you believe that Matthew is an uncommon name or are you being silly? Cara