Hello again, I went back to my old records and went through everything. Backtracking - I have a marriage certificate for William ROWE and Mary Catherine EDDY that were married April 29, 1865, Ludgvan Parish, Penzance District.. I knew people who knew them. In England Marriages, 1538-1973 for Mary Catherine EDDY it lists William's father as John ROWE. Back again -  In the Parish of Redruth, John ROWE of Redruth Parish married Alice EDWARDS  of Lelant by banns on 10 April, 1820, marriage #65 Page 22 - Marriages in the Parish of Uny Lelant. Found tombstone in Lelant Parish churchyard. Back again - Redruth Parish copy of Redruth Christenings Page 197 - John, the son of William and Jane ROWE 11 Aug 1799.  England, Births and Christenings John Rowe father William Rowe, mother Jane. The marriage of William ROWE and Jane GRIBBLE of Redruth Parish  married by banns on 03 feb, 1799 . Witnesses were William Rowe and Edward Lemon. Note: Redruth FP197/1/9 I also came across the Redruth parish entry that said William, the son of William Rowe. I am starting to doubt my William Rowe who married Jane(Jenefer, James) Gribble? Now, I have a headache!! Judy --- On Sun, 12/9/12, Tony Bennett <[email protected]> wrote: From: Tony Bennett <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William ROWE - more To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 4:42 AM Hi Judy Yet more on this!  You say "I have been suspecting for a long time that Susannah was a MICHELL".  Have you looked on the Cornwall OPC site?  The marriage in 1775 is there (Susannah Mitchell). In Redruth these two burials look extremely promising: William ROWE buried 2 Jun 1818, aged 69 [therefore born about 1749]; Susanna ROWE buried 9 Jan 1819, aged 61 [therefore born about 1758]. best wishes Tony Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Judy,   It is the Redruth baptism that I am wondering about.    I think I have found your William and Mary C Eddy on the 1851 census.   William is 28 born Lelant.  Is this the correct family?   Looking for William in the 1851 census, I found John Rowe, wife Alice, with a son William aged 7 born Lelant, living at Croft, Ludgvan which seems to fit.   John Rowe's age is 56 and his birthplace is Gulval.    There are two baptisms at Gulval which are possibles: 13 Jun 1784 John ROWE son of John 13 Aug 1786 John ROWE son of William   Regards, Joy  ________________________________ From: Judy Jarve <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 5:14 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William ROWE mystery Hello again, I went back to my old records and went through everything. Backtracking - I have a marriage certificate for William ROWE and Mary Catherine EDDY that were married April 29, 1865, Ludgvan Parish, Penzance District.. I knew people who knew them. In England Marriages, 1538-1973 for Mary Catherine EDDY it lists William's father as John ROWE. Back again -  In the Parish of Redruth, John ROWE of Redruth Parish married Alice EDWARDS  of Lelant by banns on 10 April, 1820, marriage #65 Page 22 - Marriages in the Parish of Uny Lelant. Found tombstone in Lelant Parish churchyard. Back again - Redruth Parish copy of Redruth Christenings Page 197 - John, the son of William and Jane ROWE 11 Aug 1799.  England, Births and Christenings John Rowe father William Rowe, mother Jane. The marriage of William ROWE and Jane GRIBBLE of Redruth Parish  married by banns on 03 feb, 1799 . Witnesses were William Rowe and Edward Lemon. Note: Redruth FP197/1/9 I also came across the Redruth parish entry that said William, the son of William Rowe. I am starting to doubt my William Rowe who married Jane(Jenefer, James) Gribble? Now, I have a headache!! Judy --- On Sun, 12/9/12, Tony Bennett <[email protected]> wrote: From: Tony Bennett <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William ROWE - more To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 4:42 AM Hi Judy Yet more on this!  You say "I have been suspecting for a long time that Susannah was a MICHELL".  Have you looked on the Cornwall OPC site?  The marriage in 1775 is there (Susannah Mitchell). In Redruth these two burials look extremely promising: William ROWE buried 2 Jun 1818, aged 69 [therefore born about 1749]; Susanna ROWE buried 9 Jan 1819, aged 61 [therefore born about 1758]. best wishes Tony Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joy so good to hear from someone as this is getting really depressing. I am positve about William and Mary Catherine EDDY and I am positive about John and Alice ROWE. Now I am doubting John's father William who married Jane GRIBBLE, now, and if I can verify that maybe it will give me a better lead on his father, William Rowe. The parish record says THAT William is the son of William ROWE.  But is that my William????? It is hard to gather facts when one is so far the the records and have to rely on Mormon records and info from friends to get clues. I had 5 people give me the same wrong clue. Maybe that's why I am stalled. Three of them were reliable searchers, too. I'm going to have to purge the William Rowe and Susannah Michell work from my genealogy program and files. What a job. That will have to wait until after Christmas as I will be gone for a month. I really appreciate any comments on this problem as I said, it is a "brick wall". One friend sent me a list of William Rowe baptisms from 1745 to 1755 and now I find that that list is even incomplete. Is it possible that Susannah Michell married twice? Judy --- On Tue, 12/11/12, Joy Langdon <[email protected]> wrote: From: Joy Langdon <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William ROWE mystery To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012, 6:35 AM Hello Judy,   It is the Redruth baptism that I am wondering about.    I think I have found your William and Mary C Eddy on the 1851 census.   William is 28 born Lelant.  Is this the correct family?   Looking for William in the 1851 census, I found John Rowe, wife Alice, with a son William aged 7 born Lelant, living at Croft, Ludgvan which seems to fit.   John Rowe's age is 56 and his birthplace is Gulval.    There are two baptisms at Gulval which are possibles: 13 Jun 1784 John ROWE son of John 13 Aug 1786 John ROWE son of William   Regards, Joy  ________________________________ From: Judy Jarve <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 5:14 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William ROWE mystery   Hello again, I went back to my old records and went through everything. Backtracking - I have a marriage certificate for William ROWE and Mary Catherine EDDY that were married April 29, 1865, Ludgvan Parish, Penzance District.. I knew people who knew them. In England Marriages, 1538-1973 for Mary Catherine EDDY it lists William's father as John ROWE. Back again -  In the Parish of Redruth, John ROWE of Redruth Parish married Alice EDWARDS  of Lelant by banns on 10 April, 1820, marriage #65 Page 22 - Marriages in the Parish of Uny Lelant. Found tombstone in Lelant Parish churchyard. Back again - Redruth Parish copy of Redruth Christenings Page 197 - John, the son of William and Jane ROWE 11 Aug 1799.  England, Births and Christenings John Rowe father William Rowe, mother Jane. The marriage of William ROWE and Jane GRIBBLE of Redruth Parish  married by banns on 03 feb, 1799 . Witnesses were William Rowe and Edward Lemon. Note: Redruth FP197/1/9 I also came across the Redruth parish entry that said William, the son of William Rowe. I am starting to doubt my William Rowe who married Jane(Jenefer, James) Gribble? Now, I have a headache!! Judy --- On Sun, 12/9/12, Tony Bennett <[email protected]> wrote: From: Tony Bennett <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William ROWE - more To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 4:42 AM Hi Judy Yet more on this!  You say "I have been suspecting for a long time that Susannah was a MICHELL".  Have you looked on the Cornwall OPC site?  The marriage in 1775 is there (Susannah Mitchell). In Redruth these two burials look extremely promising: William ROWE buried 2 Jun 1818, aged 69 [therefore born about 1749]; Susanna ROWE buried 9 Jan 1819, aged 61 [therefore born about 1758]. best wishes Tony Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Judy,   Sorry, I got my dates wrong.  If the John ROWE on the 1851 census is your William's father, then he would have been born about 1795 at Gulval not 1785 (senior moment!).    This is the 1851 census.  Is this the right family?   Address: Croft, Ludgvan John ROWE 56  Farmer of 7 acres  Gulval Alice ROWE 50   Lelant Ann ROWE  30 Tin Stamps woman Lelant John ROWE  25 Tin miner  Lelant Richard ROWE 17 Tin miner  Lelant Mary ROWE 13 Emp. at home Lelant Ruth ROWE  11 Emp. at home  Lelant Ann ROWE grandau  4  Lelant William ROWE son 7 Emp. at home Lelant Isaac ROWE so 4 Lelant   This is the 1841 census entry for the same family:   Address: Polpots, Uny Lelant John ROWE  45 Tin miner Alice ROWE  40 Ann ROWE 20 Tin Dresser Thomas ROWE 15 Tin M John ROWE  14  Tin M Gartrude ROWE 10 Alice ROWE 9 Richard ROWE  7 Bitha ROWE  6 Mary ROWE 4 Ruth ROWE  2 Leah ROWE 1     Do you have a specific reason for thinking that this John's father was William?  I notice that John and Alice named their eldest son Thomas and their eldest daughter Ann.   The oldest son and daughter were often named after their paternal grandparents.     There is a baptism at Gulval 02 Oct 1796 William son of Thomas ROW (at this date spelling was very haphazard as most people were illiterate and there were very few dictionaries around - the parish clerk just wrote what he heard.  People weren't even consistent when spelling their own name - Shakespeare is the famous example, he signed his name differently on every surviving document!)   There is a marriage at Gulval 19 Jun 1790 Thomas ROW and Ann EDDY.   This supports the custom of naming children after grandparents.     If the 1851 census is your family then I think that it is far more likely that John ROWE was the son of Thomas and Ann than of William and Jane.   Regards,   Joy  ________________________________ From: Judy Jarve <[email protected]> To: Joy Langdon <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 22:39 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William ROWE mystery Hi Joy so good to hear from someone as this is getting really depressing. I ampositve about William and Mary Catherine EDDY and I am positive about John and Alice ROWE. Now I am doubting John's father William who married Jane GRIBBLE, now, and if I can verify that maybe it will give me a better lead on his father, William Rowe. The parish record says THAT William is the son of William ROWE.  But is that my William????? It is hard to gather facts when one is so far the the records and have to rely on Mormon records and info from friends to get clues. I had 5 people give me the same wrong clue. Maybe that's why I am stalled. Three of them were reliable searchers, too. I'm going to have to purge the William Rowe and Susannah Michell work from my genealogy program and files. What a job. That will have to wait until after Christmas as I will be gone for a month. I really appreciate any comments on this problem as I said, it is a "brick wall". One friend sent me a list of William Rowe baptisms from 1745 to 1755 and now I find that that list is even incomplete. Is it possible that Susannah Michell married twice? Judy