Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:52:15 -0500 From: "Jim DeGraff" <jmdegraff@att.net> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] RULE, William - Death in Cornwall abt 1910? To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9EFBA03735294F32BF05C8F029F12D0A@JMDeGraffPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm looking for some guidance on next steps I can take to find a death or burial record for my 2x great-grandfather, William RULE. So far I've had no luck and I've tried everything I can imagine. I've located William RULE, his wife Elizabeth M., and their children Thomas J. and Albert G. in the 1901 U.K. Census for Cornwall. In the 1911 U.K. Census I've located the same Elizabeth M. RULE, listed as a widow, with two grandchildren living with her at the same address as in 1901. Clearly this William RULE died sometime between the two censuses. I've checked FreeBMD and FreeREG for registered deaths and burials using all name variants I can imagine for the target period, but with no luck. I've also checked the U.K Government Search-Will-Probate site and the FindMyPast site without success. Does anyone have ideas about what to do next? Is it possible that the death was registered, but it doesn't show up on FreeBMD? Would it be worth requesting a search through the Cornwall Registry Office? The 1911 census lists Elizabeth RULE's status as 'wife', which is then crossed out and replaced by 'head'. It also states that her marriage had lasted 26 years, which is then crossed out. I know that they were married in 1985, so does this mean that William died shortly before the 1911 census? Appreciate any ideas on what to do next. Jim DeGraff Houston, TX Jim, I found these on Free BMD but without knowing the DoBirth for Willam Rule it is difficult to know which one it is, if any. Katryn Atkin. (nee Poglase) Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Sep 1901 Rule William 74 Helston 5c 115 Deaths Mar 1902 Rule William Dunkin 67 Helston 5c 127 Rule William Henry 58 Falmouth 5c 118 Deaths Dec 1905 Rule William 48 Redruth 5c 142 Rule William Harris 67 Liskeard 5c 43 Deaths Sep 1909 RULE William 78 Redruth 5c 130 On 14 June 2015 at 08:01, <cornish-gen-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > When replying to a digest message, be sure and highlight ONLY the message > you are quoting and select "reply quoted text" or whatever option you have > in your email program. Please don't quote the entire digest. And don't > forget to change the subject line from "Reply to CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol X, > Issue XXX" with the subject line from the message you are replying to. > > Cornish Volunteer Lookup Library > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/cornishlib/cornishlib.htm > > Online Parish Clerks (OPC) http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > > Questions or assistance: Contact > Yvonne Bowers, Listmom CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pointers in the right direction appreciated. (Diane Tamulion) > 2. RULE, William - Death in Cornwall abt 1910? (Jim DeGraff) > 3. Re: year dates difference between CFHS and OPC site > (Michael Lightfoot) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 10:31:06 -0500 > From: Diane Tamulion <d.tamulion@att.net> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Pointers in the right direction > appreciated. > To: Kate Cunningham <katecunningham@clear.net.nz>, > cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <557C4CBA.800@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > I had the same problem for one of my ancestors as you, for the John > Eustice. What I finely used was the family naming pattern that was > widely used for quite a long time in England. It worked for me as I had > 3 different baptisms with the same name with in a few months of each > other. I received this from the Devon list 14 years ago and have used > it several times. > > this is how it went > > 1st son = father's father > 2nd son = mother's father > 3rd son = father > 4th son = father's 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother > > 1st daughter = mother's mother > 2nd daughter = father's mother > 3rd daughter = mother > 4th daughter = mother's oldest sister > 5th daughter = mother's 2nd oldest sister or father's oldest sister > > Hope this might help you solve the problem. > > Diane in Wisconsin > > > > > On 6/10/2015 10:00 PM, Kate Cunningham via wrote: > > Hoping someone on the list has hit the same problem or can point me in > the > > right direction. > > > > > > > > BACK STORY: > > > > > > > > I have the slightly unusual situation where I have Alice EDWARDS ch: 31 > May > > 1835 in Gwinear (under the name of EDMONDS) with parents William EDWARDS > and > > Grace JONES. I can now trace this line a further 5 generations in the > > general Cambourne area. > > > > > > > > Now Alice EDWARDS went to South Australia with her father, step-mother > and > > half brother and sister in 1847. She married John Lushman 1852 they have > one > > daughter B. 1854 and John dies 1855. > > > > > > > > Alice remarries 19 Jan 1856 to William EDWARDS. > > > > > > > > Now I've finally managed to find where William came from and it's > Camborne. > > > > > > > > William ch: 9 Oct 1837 Camborne with parents Thomas EDWARDS and Elizabeth > > EUSTACE/EUSTICE. > > > > > > > > Found Thomas EDWARDS ch: 22 Mar 1795 Camborne parents Thomas EDWARDS and > > Jenefer but the only marriage I can find is for Thomas to a Jane ROUGH > but > > all 6 children have Thomas and Jenefer on christening records. > > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest where I could try to find out Jane/Jenefer's name? I > can > > t find any christening for either. > > > > > > > > I have tried the OPC and Cornwall FHS (I'm a member)....but can't seem to > > narrow it down. > > > > > > > > The other one I'm stuck on is the father of Elizabeth EUSTICE who I > found to > > be John EUSTICE who married Mary GOLDSWORTHY 1783 Camborne........I have > > found at least 5 John Eustice's in the general area all christened > within a > > 5 year period. How do I work out which one is correct? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Kate Cunningham > > > > in bleak and cold Wellington NZ > > ------------------------------- > > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:52:15 -0500 > From: "Jim DeGraff" <jmdegraff@att.net> > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] RULE, William - Death in Cornwall abt 1910? > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9EFBA03735294F32BF05C8F029F12D0A@JMDeGraffPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm looking for some guidance on next steps I can take to find a death or > burial record for my 2x great-grandfather, William RULE. So far I've had > no luck and I've tried everything I can imagine. > > I've located William RULE, his wife Elizabeth M., and their children > Thomas J. and Albert G. in the 1901 U.K. Census for Cornwall. In the 1911 > U.K. Census I've located the same Elizabeth M. RULE, listed as a widow, > with two grandchildren living with her at the same address as in 1901. > Clearly this William RULE died sometime between the two censuses. I've > checked FreeBMD and FreeREG for registered deaths and burials using all > name variants I can imagine for the target period, but with no luck. I've > also checked the U.K Government Search-Will-Probate site and the FindMyPast > site without success. > > Does anyone have ideas about what to do next? Is it possible that the > death was registered, but it doesn't show up on FreeBMD? Would it be worth > requesting a search through the Cornwall Registry Office? The 1911 census > lists Elizabeth RULE's status as 'wife', which is then crossed out and > replaced by 'head'. It also states that her marriage had lasted 26 years, > which is then crossed out. I know that they were married in 1985, so does > this mean that William died shortly before the 1911 census? > > Appreciate any ideas on what to do next. > > Jim DeGraff > Houston, TX > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:32:19 +1000 > From: Michael Lightfoot <michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] year dates difference between CFHS and OPC > site > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <3416562.nRqvpP4N4t@deli4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:59:41 AM Bob Bolitho via wrote: > > Carolyn, the OPC site shows the dates on the parish registers. Before > > the introduction of the Gregorian calendar, dates in January, February > > and most of March would have been at the end of the year rather than at > > the beginning as they are today. Before 1752, the new year began on 25 > > March, not 1 January. > > > > You have three options for recording January-February-March dates before > > then: > > old calendar date - 15 Jan 1720 (OPC style) > > new calendar date - 15 Jan 1721 > > both dates - 15 Jan 1720/21 > > > My software lets me record dates as Julian or Gregorian which > automatically adjusts to modern > dates. > > Note that for the U.K. the new year changed on 1 Jan 1752 while the date > jumped from 4 > September 1752 to 14 September 1752. > > There is the added complexity that some parish records insist on recording > old Julian dates for up > to 2 years after the change. > > No doubt there is a Wikipedia article explaining all this far better than > me... > > -- > ==== > Michael Lightfoot > Canberra, Australia > michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au > ==== > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CORNISH-GEN list administrator, send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CORNISH-GEN mailing list, send an email to > CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 84 > ******************************************* >