Hi Keith, For what it's worth, Eliza was still living in Illogan at the time her son John Sydney MUGFORD enlisted in the Canadian Over-seas Expeditionary Force in 1917. He gave her address as Church Lane, Illogan. See http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc011/509454a.gif&id_nbr=179043 This family tree online states Eliza died in Cornwall in 1944. See http://www.haine.org.uk/trcornishwales/218.htm And your Harold did not necessarily 'lie' on his marriage certificate, as he may have been misled himself. His mother conveniently had a surname (her mother's maiden name) as her middle name. It is entirely possible that he was told he was from an earlier, ahem, marriage of Eliza ROSEWARNE to Wm SHUGG. She would not be the first to try and keep an out of wedlock birth from the birthee. You could certainly order his birth certificate to see what she told the authorities about the father. GRO reference March quarter 1891, Redruth Vol.5c page 212 Harold Hitchins SHUGG. Best of luck, Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Foster" <fosterk@qld.chariot.net.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. > Thanks Rowena and Jan, this was my understanding. > I think this demonstrates the fact that you never rely on a single source > of > information. If I had found the marriage register first I would have gone > down the wrong track altogether. > > Regards > > Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 8:19 PM > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. > > Hi Keith > > My understanding is that Harold Hitchins Shugg was the illegitimate son of > Eliza Rosewarne Shugg, born 18 Dec 1890, Treskellard, Illogan. > > Eliza married John Mugford Jan-Mar 1896, Redruth R.D. (John Mugford born > Oct-Dec 1860 Blackawton (Bideford RD) Devon. Unable to find death > registrations for Eliza or John, so they may have emigrated to North > America, as 2 sons fought in WW1 as USA and Canadian servicemen. I havn't > seen Harold's birth registration to know whether a father is named. A > William Shugg may be his father, or he has lied on his marriage record, > > Notes that I have for Harold Hitchins Shugg. Emigrated to the USA, and had > a > WW1 Draft registration Card issued showing his residence as Houghten, > Michigan. He was a resident of Painesdale, and an engineer at the time of > his marriage. Witnesses were: Ernest Hitchens of Painesdale, and Myrtle > Davey of Calumnet. He died in October 1971, at age 80 in Houghten, > Michigan. > > > Harold married Hazel M. Davey born c. 1893 Norway, Michigan, USA. Her > parents were Cornish, James Henry Davey and Charlotte Carbis who married > Oct-Dec 1887 Redruth RD. > > I don't know of any children Harold and Hazel may have had, or when she > died. > > Regards, Rowena > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Foster > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 7:00 PM > To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. > > Hopefully someone may be able to help here. > > > > Harold Hitchings Shugg born Illogen 1890. Record in BDM > > In the 1891 census he appears as a grandson > > David Shugg head > > Margareta wife > > Eliza Shugg daughter > > Harold H Shugg grandson > > > >>From other records I have concluded Eliza is Eliza Rosewarne Shugg. > > > > I have never had a problem with these records until now. > > > > Harold Hitchings Shugg married Hazel Davey in Michigan 20/12/1919 and gave > his parents as William Shugg and Eliza Rosewarne. > > Either Harold has lied on his marriage certificate or the census for 1891 > should read Eliza as a daughter in law, however to my knowledge David and > Margareta never had a son William. > > > > My guess is that the marriage certificate is wrong > > > > Regards > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15540) > http://www.pctools.com/ ======= > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15540) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >