We can now unravel some of these questions. From my own research I was fairly sure they were not Shugg's, the only reference to Shugg is Matilda who was baptised Matilda Shugg Thomas 10 May 1882. They have to be Thomas's children of Francis and Adelaide. Starting from Rowena's family of Francis Thomas and Elizabeth Jane Shugg , all the birth and baptism dates are correct. Francis Thomas Shugg from the above family married Adelaide Heddon June quarter 1894. In census records and baptism records of her children, Adelaide is recorded as Ida. In 1901 census for 81 Gabriel Street St Ives we find Francis Thomas aged 49 wall mason Elizabeth Thomas aged 49 Hannibal Thomas aged 16 (1885) Grace Thomas aged 22 (1878) Matilda S Thomas aged 19 (1882) Next door at 80 Gabriel Street we find Francis Thomas born 1870 wall mason Ida Thomas born 1871 Ada Thomas born 1896 Matilda S Thomas born 1897 baptised 1899 as Matilda Shugg Thomas Lizzie Thomas born 1900 baptised as Elizabeth James Thomas. In 1911 at Street An Garrow we find Francis Thomas Elizabeth Jans Thomas All children have left. In June quarter 1907 we have Matilda Shugg Thomas marrying Humphrey Geen (note not Green) but they have disappeared by 1911 as it appears the siblings of Matilda. Humphrey and Matilda appear in the 1920 and 1930 census for Michigan. Humphrey appears to have emigrated in 1907 and the rest of the family in 1909 although it appears they went back and forth often. There was a daughter Matilda Thomas Geen born in St Ives in 1908 all other children were born in Michigan. I am investigating whether Grace and Elizabeth went to America with Matilda but have not finished that yet. Regards Keith -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough Sent: Friday, 16 July 2010 8:53 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Monumental Inscription Problem - Lelant, Carbis Bay Dear Folks, Really confused and having trouble with Shugg or Thomas monumental inscriptions from the Lelant - Longstones Cemetery, Carbis Bay. From the West Penwith site: http://west-penwith.org.uk/longmi1.htm The preceding note on the website said: This is an index done by one person and will, inevitably contain errors, particularly as, in this case, the transcript was done with a voice recording and spelling errors will have occurred. Monumental Inscription below: Shugg - Elizabeth Jane Thomas 18/3/1983 aged 85; Grace Thomas, her sister, 23/10/1986 aged 84; her sister, Matilda Shugg 5/2/1996 aged 96 I don't believe these dates can be correct below. I wondered if there is a way to check these inscriptions? The names seem to be too close a match to the family below to be a coincidence. They appear to have mixed up the surname's Shugg and Thomas as well as dates. These women were the daughters of the couple below: Elizabeth Jane Shugg born 4 May 1851 St Ives, married Francis Thomas, mariner, born Apr-Jun 1851, St Ives, Cornwall, between Jul - Sept 1871, Penzance Reg Dist. Children of Elizabeth Jane Shugg and Francis Thomas: 1. Francis Thomas Shugg, born 29 Jan 1870, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives (born before his parents married and registered under mother's maiden name) 2. Elizabeth Jane Thomas born 16 May 1873, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives. 3. Grace Shugg Thomas born 22 Nov 1878, bapt. 1 Jan 1879, St Ives 4. Matilda Shugg Thomas born 2 Mar 1882, and bapt. 10 May 1882, St Ives. She married Humphrey Green (b. 1877, St Ives) in 1907, St Ives, and they emigrated to Michigan, USA. 5. Hannibal Thomas born Apr-Jun 1885, St Ives, Cornwall 6. Margaret Thomas born Oct-Dec 1890, St Ives, Cornwall So, you can see from the birth dates of the girls above that the ages of the monumental inscriptions don't match up. Elizabeth Jane would be 110, Grace 108, and Matilda 114. I've looked at deaths on FreeBMD, but again nothing that matches that I can find, and they finish at 1983. I'm wondering if there is any way to confirm the monumental inscription dates and names? Does anyone know of images of the gravestones from the cemetery that might be online? Or (long shot) would anyone possibly live in the area and be able to check the headstone? Any ideas are welcome. As I'm in Australia, I'm limited to working online. Kind regards, Rowena ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15520) http://www.pctools.com/ =======