WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 10 Sept 1858 Local Intelligence CORNWALL RANGERS' MILITIA - Ensign Edward St. AUBYN has been promoted to a Lieutenancy in the Cornwall Rangers' militia, vice Ernest Frederick PEEL, who resigns. Lieutenant John BORLASE has also resigned his commission. ARMY PROMOTION - Amongst the names gazetted at the War Office, is that of Lieutenant George Augustus FERRIS, of Truro, in H.M. 29th regiment of foot, second son of the late Major Josh. FERRIS, C.B., of the H.E.I.C.S. promoted to the rank of Captain of H.M. 16th regiment of foot. MORTALITY OF MINERS - Mr. R. Q. Couch's paper on teh mortality of miners in St. Just has been translated into French by M. L. MOISENNET, mining engineer, and is published in the Government Annales des Mines. LONGEVITY - There are now in the Penzance Union House 18 inmates whose united aged amount to 1,469 years, giving an average of about 82 years. The united ages of 11 of the above number is 945 years, averaging 86 years each. CRICKET - A match was played on Saturday, between the Penzance Grammar School Cricket Club and the Penare Academy, when the former were victorious by five wickets to go down. Messrs. TROUNSON and TRENWITH acted as umpires. The return match between the members of the Chacewater and St. Agnes clubs, came off at Chacewater, on Tuesday last, and notwithstanding the unfavorable state of the weather, and the fete at Trelissick on the same day, a goodly number of spectators attended to witness the sport, which commenced about half past eleven by the Chacewater men going to the wickets, and scoring in the first innings 52; second, 39; total 91; including 13 byes. St. Agnes, first innings, 38; second ditto, 18; total 55, with 6 byes; Chacewater thus winning by 36 notches. It may be remarked in favour of these young clubs, that there were neither wide, leg byes, or no balls scored for the day, the bowling being such as to elicit the approbation of all present. The bowlers for St. Agne! s club were Messrs. W. St. AUBYN, MATEY, and W. PERRY; for the Chacewater club, Messrs. J.F. MOYLE, W. JAMES, and J. LANKSBURY. The long stopping of Mr. CRAPP was equally worthy of notice. The members of both clubs with a large party of their friends afterwards dined together at PAULL's Britannia Hotel, under the presidency of Mr. R. NEWTON, jun. The umpires were Messrs. R. DAVEY and J. TREVENA, and the score was kept by Mr. P. ROGERS, all of whom performed their duties satisfactorily. PICTURE BY MR. SEWARD, of TRURO - We understand that a large picture by this artist will be exhibited next week in Truro. It represents a scene of the time of Queen Elizabeth, and has been much admired by gentlemen who have seen it on private view. EXETER COLLEGE, OXFORD - We understand that the Rev. FRANCIS CHARLES HINGESTON, M.A., of Exeter College, Oxford, has presented to the library of that college a complete set of his recent historical publications for her Majesty's Government. This library has just been rebuilt under the superintendence of GEORGE GILBERT SCOTT, Esq., of London, and is justly considered one of the most striking and beautiful buildings in the University. DROWNED AT SEA - A tug-boat came into the Mounts Bay on Saturday last, and reported that at midnight of Friday, James JAMES, of Cardiff, aged 23, widower, accidentally fell overboard and was drowned. The sea was high at the time and the steamer rolled heavily. It is not known from what part of the vessel he fell, but it is thought from a ladder leading from the paddle-box bridge. TRURO POLICE - On the 2nd instant, before Mr. E. MICHELL, Rebecca ARTHUR was charged with stealing 17s. from John TRESCOWTHICK, a porter, at Portreath. The robbery took place at the Railway Inn, Pydar-street, Truro, where Trescowthick had been drinking and fell asleep. It was witnessed by two young men, and the woman was afterwards apprehended by police constable GAY. She was committed to the quarter sessions for trial.  CAMBORNE PETTY SESSIONS – At these Sessions, held August 31st, before the Rev. T. PASCOE, (chairman), Mr. R. DAVEY, M.P., Mr. J.P. MAGOR, Mr. C.A. REYNOLDS, and the Rev. U. TONKIN, - it being the general annual licensing meeting, the innkeepers for the division of East Penwith attended, and had their licenses, with the exception of Mr. HARVEY, of St. Erth, whose license was withheld. - John THOMAS, of Illogan Highway, and William TRETHEWY, of Camborne, beerhouse-keepers, applied for spirit licenses, but were refused. .- Solomon HOOPER and Henry CARNE, of St. Erth, William UREN, of Gwineer, James TRENBATH, of Illogan, Richard GOLDSWORTHY, of Camborne, Edward PASCOE, of Crowan, and Ralph COURTICE, of Leland, were summoned for being drunk and disorderly, and were fined 5s. each and costs. - Henry ROSEWARNE. Boiler maker, lately from Bristol, was charged with being drunk and disorderly, on Friday the 27th of August, at Camborne, and also with assaulting Sergeant JAMES in the execution of his duty. He was fined 5s and expenses for being drunk and disorderly, and 20s and expenses for the assault. - Richard GILBERT, miner, of Illogan, was apprehended for assaulting P.C. BAMFIELD in the execution of his duty at Redruth; and William LITCHER, also of Illogan, was charged with attempting to rescue Gilber from the custody of P.C. Bamfield. Gilbert was fined GBP 1.10s. and costs, and Letcher 10s and costs. - Edward RESLEIGH and Margaret Jane UREN of Lelant, were summoned for assaulting Prudence Pearce CARNELL, a little girl six years of age. The magistrates commented strongly on the conduct of the defendants, who were fined 9s.9d. Each, including costs. - Bridget FRANCES, Ann STANBY, and Catherine MASTERS, of Phillack, charged with assaulting Elizabeth Martin WEST, were fined 8s each, including costs. - Thos. WILLS, of St. Hilary, was charged with assaulting his mother, Mary WILLS, a widow. The case was clearly proved, and he was fined GBP 2 and costs. - Richard WILLS, (brother to the above-named defendant) was charged with threatening to take the life of his mother, and also with threatening to burn down her house. He was called upon to find sureties for his good behaviour for six months; after being in custody several h;ours, the bondsmen were produced, and he was discharged. - John GLANVILLE and Gilbert RICHARDS, both of Camborne, were charged with stealing apples from Mr. JAMES PAUL, and fined 20s. each, including costs. - Josiah MARTIN, of Penryn,was fined 5s. and costs, for leaving his waggon in the streets of Redruth longer than was necessary for loading and unloading. -William TOY of Wendron, and William FOLLY, of Illogen, were fined 5s. each, and costs, for driving without reins. - Josiah MARTIN, of Penryn, was fined 5s. and costs for leaving his waggon in the streets at Redruth longer than was necessary for loading or unloading. - Mary KILCARN, Johanna KILCARN, and Dinnes KILCARN. were summoned fore assaulting Mary HURLEY. The evidence being conflicting, the Bench dismissed the case, the parties paying their own costs. RUAN HIGHLANES PETTY SESSIONS - At this Petty Session,held on the 6th instant, Richard MINERS, of Tregony, was fined 5s. and costs for being drunk and disorderly on the 21st ult., and Richard BEARD, of Tregony, labourer, was committed for fourteen days for a similar offence. ST. AUSTELL PETTY SESSIONS - At these session on Tuesday last, before Mr. T. HEXT and Mr. LAKES, Richard HICKS, of Mevagissey, was fined 20s. and costs for driving furiously through the streets of St. Austell. - John VERCOE, of St. Dennis, was fined 20s. and costs for an assault on an old man named KENT. - ___ BAMFIELD, of Gorran, was fined 10s. and costs for cruelty to a donkey. - William DUNGEY of St. Ewe, was fined 20s. and costs for an assault on James DUNGEY. - George LUCAS was sent to the house of correction for 14 days for leaving his wife and family chargeable to the parish of Roche. - Susanna CRADDOCK charged a man called ROWE, of St. Mewan, with throwing her into a pond of water, but it appeared she broke a milk bucket over his head first and the case was dismissed. - A farmer called SNELL, of St. Stephens, charged a man called THOMAS, of the same parish, with trespassing in pursuit of game, but the case was dismissed. CALLINGTON PETTY SESSIONS - At these sessions held on the 2nd instant, before the Rev. H. M. RICE, and Mr. H. R. TRELAWNY, Thomas SAMUELS, of St. Mellion, was summoned for taking and killing game, ont he lands of Mr. Edward COLLINS, at Newton, and fined 5s. and 12s. costs. - Wm. PETERS, of the Royal Oak Inn, Callington, was fined 10s.6d. and 9s.6d. costs, for opening his house on Sunday morning the 15th of August, for the sale of beer before the hour of half-past twelve. -This was the annual licensing day for public houses, and the license of the Naval and Commercial Hotel, at Calstock, and the Miners' Arms, Latchley, was refused on the ground of the misbehaviour of the keepers of them. BODMIN PETTY SESSIONS - Before the Mayor (Mr. W. PASCOE), Mr. LIDDELL, and Mr. EDYVEAN. The annual licenses for innkeepers were granted with a caution that they were not to draw any liquor to certain "thirsty souls," and one of them received a hint that if he did not close his establishment somewhat nearer the noon-day hour, his license would not be forthcoming at a future period. A petition was presented to the bench from the committee of the Teetotal Society requesting their worships to enforce the observance of the terms of the licenses. - William CLIMO (alias the Duke) was reprimanded for getting drunk, and neglecting his children, and discharged on promise of abstinence. MINE ACCIDENT - On Thursday, Thomas GEARY, of Stoke, and two lads named STONE and WEBB, and the father of the boy Webb, were engaged at Drake Walls mine in blowing a rock in the 60 fathom level, and while tamping a hole, the charge exploded and killed Geary on the spot, and the two lads were seriously injured; the man Webb providentially escaped unhurt. ACCIDENT - Last Saturday night, James TEAGUE, ostler at the White Hart Inn, Bodmin, fell through the door of the loft of the stable, and broke his right thigh. He has since been removed to the east Cornwall Hospital. The poor man not being very strong, has had his frame severely shocked, but it is hoped he will get over it. CORNUBIANA To the EDITOR of the WEST BRITON SIR - Your Helston correspondent in his letter of the 30th ult., containing some supplementary facts relative to his family, says "the word Roscreeg means a beacon on a hill."  The first part of the word means a valley, and is frequently met with in the names of places in Cornwall, as Rosnithen, the furzy valley; Roscroggon, the valley of shells; Roskear, the lovely valley, &c.  According to Pryce, Creeg means Cross, and he gives the meaning of the word Roscreeg, as the Valley Cross. Davies Gilbert in defining the word, writes "Roscruge or Rosscrige Burrough, id est, the valley and promontory or highland tumulus or burying place; otherwise, Roscrugh may be interpreted as the valley, or covered tumulus, for, or of music." The Beacon being on the estate was naturally enough called Roscreeg Beacon, but it is evident that the latter word has nothing whatever to do with the meaning of the former, consequently, the word Roscreeg cannot mean a Beacon on a Hill, as stated by the aut! hor of the letter referred to. The latter part of the word is often used as the first syllable of some other names of places, as Creegglaze, the green barrow; Creeg or Creegsillick, the barrow in open view. Now, it is well known that many of these barrows were formerly used as burying places, therefore, the meaning given by Davies Gilbert is probably the true one. The writer of the "Meneage Peninsula" in mentioning that he had seen the family arms of the Roscreegs, at Pennare, had no intention whatever to exclude any other member of that ancient and respectable family from sharing in its honors. Short notices were deemed sufficient, from the consideration that genealogies and family histories are often uninteresting to the general reader of a newspaper, particularly so when the transactions of individuals are in connexion with their own families, and in the management of their own affairs, and not at all of a public character. I am sir, Your most obedient servant, T. August 30, 1858 ................................................................................................................................ THE HEALTH OF LISKEARD The following has been addressed to the editor of the Times: SIR - Observing in your paper of the 28th ult. a letter from Mr. RENDLE on the sanitary state of Liskeard, in which he has given an extract of a report of mine made to the Registrar General on the 1st of July, 1855, I beg, as the registrar referred to, to deny that that report had any reference whatever to Liskeard. Mr. RENDLE, for some cause which he is best able to explain, has thought proper to leave out the first line of the report, by the supplying of which your readers will perceive that Calstock parish, which is distant about fourteen miles from Liskeard, is the parish to which I alluded. "In Calstock, one of the parishes of my district, there is an epidemic of scarlatina. Some houses of miners and others are overcrowded," & c. Mr. Rendle commenced with "some houses of miners," &c. I am, Sir, your obedient servant, Thomas Allen, Registrar Callington, Sept. 2 THE END - of the Local Intelligence Julia M. West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell

Hi all One of the latest additions to Ancestry is All Web: Scotland, Prison Records Index, 1828-1878 Just trying a few keywords I found Name Birth Year Birth Place Civil Year Prison Prison Location John Berry or Johns abt 1838 Cornwall 1865 Jedburgh Glasgow James Lovell abt 1791 Cornwall 1841 Dumfries Lockerbie Mathew Mitchell abt 1824 Cornwall 1847 Dumfries Durisdeer Jacob Tomkins abt 1823 Cornwall 1847 Dumfries Durisdeer Source Information Ancestry.com. Web: Scotland, Prison Records Index, 1828-1878 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: Free Online Prison Record Search. Graham and Emma Maxwell. http://maxwellancestry.co.uk/ancestry/aboutus.htm: accessed 31 March 2014. About Web: Scotland, Prison Records Index, 1828-1878 Note: All data in this third-party database was obtained from the source’s website. Ancestry.com does not support or make corrections or changes to the original database. To learn more about these records, please refer to the source’s website. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Peter - I believe if they were not members of the Church of England, St Stephen-in-Brannel they could not be buried in the area reservered for C of E church members. Rita Bone Kopp OPC St Stephen in Brannel and St Mewan Subject: CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 209 Today's Topics: 1. Unconsecrated ground (Peter Relph) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:02:15 +1000 From: "Peter Relph" <peter@relph.org> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Unconsecrated ground To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <77B20A6FEBA04C3482E9357B8FDBF749@LeaderPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a general query for all you knowledgable folks. I have a cousin and his wife who were both buried in "unconsecrated plots" in St Stephen in Brannel, and I'm curious as to what sort of circumstances might have caused them to warrant such literally unceremonious treatment. Mary EMMETT nee TIPPETT was buried 19 Apr 1916 in St Stephen in Brannel, from a transcription of Cemetery records courtesy John Evans in the OPC database. Husband James Trewhella EMMETT was likewise buried in Stephen in Brannel 9 Nov 1912, same source. There is no record that I can see in the Stephen in Brannel church registers for either burial. So as well as asking why it might have happened, also would the church have been any part in the burial? If not then who, the Union? Did they have civil funerals? Probably unrelated but of interest, they had a daughter Elizabeth Jane EMMETT who appears to have had five children born out of wedlock between 1893 and 1902, the first three raised by Mary & James and the last two in a foster family in Bodmin, I'd think that this was just a little unusual. Peter Relph __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 209 *******************************************

I have learnt a lot from this exchange, many thanks to all who replied. Peter

Thanks to all those who have responded about William GROSE - some new leads, most helpful. Dee

Dee, I cannot help with finding WILLIAM GROSE. However, I am sure (because of the STURTRIDGE connection) that the following are involved. John Grose married Ann Sturtridge Bodmin Dec. Q. 1842. I believe John was born in 1820 and Ann in 1813 (both in Luxulyan). Chidren born in Luxulyan : Joseph 1843, Emlyan 1845, Richard 1847, John? 1848 and William Sturtridge 1849. All migrated to Canada about 1852. More children born in Canada? Ann died 1862 and John in 1898 (both in Canada). Some Refs are : In the township of Peel, county of Wellington, Canada West, Feb. 10, the beloved wife of Mr JOHN GROSE, treasurer of the above township and formerly of Bodwen, Luxulyan, aged 42 years. Royal Cornwall Gazette 04/04/1862. In the township of Peel, county of Wellington, Canada West, Feb 17, RICHARD, son of Mr John Grose, aged 15 years. Royal Cornwall Gazette 04/04/1862. I do believe you will find an biographical record in "History Atlas of County of Wellington, 1906". I do not have a copy of that item but really should do. I believe the family were Bible Christians. Mike, Redruth. PS I also have your message to the Cornish Global Migration Programme at Murdoch House. Please regard the above as also answering that.

I gather that it wasn't the Anglican church being exclusive but the others wanting their own space that might have been the case in this instance, I apologise for thinking ill of the established church :-) Peter -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 5:51 PM To: Peter Relph; cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Unconsecrated ground Hi Peter The good folk of the C of E wouldn't want their nice clean grave yard sullied by those 'orrible Catholics and the like would they :-) There was usually a section of the graveyard unconsecrated for the other religions I think it was until about 1880 that only burials conducted by a C of E minister could take place in consecrated ground Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/09/2014 08:38, Peter Relph wrote: > Thank you Nivard and Diane, I didn't think it would be that simple. I'd have > thought that all people of the Christian persuasion would have been > eligible. > > Peter

Thank you Nivard and Diane, I didn't think it would be that simple. I'd have thought that all people of the Christian persuasion would have been eligible. Peter -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 5:28 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Unconsecrated ground Hi Peter Non Conformism Consecrated ground was for C of E parishioners, those not C of E would have the plot consecrated by their particular minister at the time of burial The burial will most likely be in whatever religion they were of Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/09/2014 06:02, Peter Relph via wrote: > I have a general query for all you knowledgable folks. > > > > I have a cousin and his wife who were both buried in "unconsecrated plots" > in St Stephen in Brannel, and I'm curious as to what sort of circumstances > might have caused them to warrant such literally unceremonious treatment. > > > > Mary EMMETT nee TIPPETT was buried 19 Apr 1916 in St Stephen in Brannel, > from a transcription of Cemetery records courtesy John Evans in the OPC > database. > > Husband James Trewhella EMMETT was likewise buried in Stephen in Brannel 9 > Nov 1912, same source. > > > > There is no record that I can see in the Stephen in Brannel church registers > for either burial. So as well as asking why it might have happened, also > would the church have been any part in the burial? If not then who, the > Union? Did they have civil funerals? > > > > Probably unrelated but of interest, they had a daughter Elizabeth Jane > EMMETT who appears to have had five children born out of wedlock between > 1893 and 1902, the first three raised by Mary & James and the last two in a > foster family in Bodmin, I'd think that this was just a little unusual. > > > > Peter Relph ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dee - here is another avenue to explore - no way to know if this is YOUR William GROSE as there were others of the same name born Cornwall c1840/41 But maybe worth chasing up to see if there is anything conclusive in further details, as it shows him living in Ontario for 10 years. Barb in Oz ............................................................ Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 for William Grose Death Place: Durham, Ontario, Canada DEATHS County of Durham Division of Newcastle FULL NAME OF DECEASED Initials only not accepted GROSE, William Sex, and Race M, Anglos Saxon Date of Death Dec. 23 1912 Date of ---- Age and Place of Birth 72 yrs., Cornwall, England Place of Death etc. Mill St., Newcastle Occupation Gent, Newcastle Single, Widowed, or Divorced ---- Full name of ---- 023391 (don't know if this could be followed up..?) Birthplace of ---- Maiden Name of ---- Birthplace of ---- Name of Physician who attended Deceased A. Farncomb Certified by A. Farncomb Address Newcastle Date Dec. 24 1912 Medical Certificate of Death I hereby certify that I attended the deceased Name - GROSE, William >From - Jan 1st 1901 To - Dec 23rd 1912 That I last saw him alive on - Dec 23rd 1912 That the death occurred on - Dec 23rd 1912 CAUSE OF DEATH Primary – Rheumatism Duration – 10 years Immediate - Paralysis of Brain Duration – 1 weeks (sic) Physician’s name - A. Farncomb Address - Newcastle Date - Dec. 24 1912 Remarks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb O'Neil via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > To: "Jenny Meadows" <jenny@toptensoftware.com>; > <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; > "Dee Edwards" <dee@macace.net> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Fwd: lost ancestor William GROSE > > >> Hello Dee >> I came across the following on rootsweb from 2001 - it seems to refer to >> your William GROSE but does not give any further information. >> What it does do is show that it is very likely his sister Harriet >> emigrated >> to New Zealand - worth checking if you have not already done so. >> Fingers crossed - Barb in Oz >> .......................................................................... >> SEE BELOW: >> From: " C J & J Edwards" <acorn@iinet.com.au> >> Subject: RE: [CON-GEN] Chynoweth/Grose to New Zealand >> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:06:19 +0800 >> In-Reply-To: <000001c12c3e$8ed1e780$525237d2@jmmciver> >> >> >> I wonder if this is Harriet >> >> Descendants of John Grose >> 1 John Groseb: 1807 in Roche, Cornwall,UKd: Bet. >> 1871 - 1881 >> .+Mary Warrickb: 14 October 1798 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK >> m: 10 January 1829 in St Austell, Cornwall,UKd: 1872 in Pennwithick >> Stents, St Austell, Cornwall,UK >> .....2 Jane Groseb: 2 August 1829 in St Austell, >> Cornwall,UK >> .....2 John Groseb: 6 May 1832 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK >> .....2 Harriet Groseb: 6 April 1834 in St Austell, >> Cornwall,UK >> .....2 Henry Groseb: 3 January 1836 in St Austell, >> Cornwall,UK >> .....2 Grace Ann Groseb: 7 June 1846 in St Austell, >> Cornwall,UK >> .....2 Tom Groseb: 1850 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK >> d: 1851 >> .....2 William Groseb: 11 April 1840 in St Austell, >> Cornwall,UK >> .........+Grace Leyb: 1845 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UK >> m: 28 April 1866 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: Aft. 1871 >> .............3 Joseph Henry Groseb: 20 April 1868 in >> Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: 1910 >> .................+Ann Sophia Roachb: 27 March 1873 >> in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: 15 January 1944 >> .....................Snipped >> .............3 Mary Ley Groseb: 26 April 1870 in Luxulyan, >> Cornwall,UKd: 13 June 1871 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UK >> .............3 William Ley Groseb: 30 September 1866 in >> Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: Aft. 1881 >> >> Regards >> >> Clem >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Judy & Murray McIver [mailto:jandm.nustart@xtra.co.nz] >> Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 9:46 AM >> To: CORNISH-GEN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [CON-GEN] Chynoweth/Grose to New Zealand >> >> William Chynoweth born in Cornwall,England in 1826 >> Harriet Grose born in Cornwall, England in 1834. >> Married 17 Feb. 1862 Dunedin,Otago,New Zealand. >> They lived in Lyttelton, Canterbury, N.Z. in St David Street. The >> children >> they had numbered 6,as far as I can find out. Four of the children died >> aged >> between 9 months and 14 years. My grandmother Minnie and her sister >> Annie >> lived. My research here in New Zealand seems to draw blanks as far as to >> any >> relations. There are other Chynoweth families here but all say there is >> no >> connection. I would like to find out if William or Harriet had a middle >> name, or any other brothers or sisters who made it to NZ. Can any one >> help >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jenny Meadows via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> >> To: "Dee Edwards" <dee@macace.net>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Fwd: lost ancestor William GROSE >> >> >>> Hi Dee, >>> >>> I had a look for William but unfortunately had no luck finding him in >>> the >>> 1871 or 1881 Census or a burial for him in the Cornwall OPC database. I >>> saw >>> that Grace was listed as married in the 1871 and 1881 Census and a widow >>> in >>> the 1891 Census so it might be worthwhile to trawl through Luxulyan, St. >>> Austell and Treverbyn parish registers on Familysearch to see if his >>> burial >>> was missed. >>> >>> I found these announcements in the newspaper for your family - >>> >>> Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 03 May 1866 page 5: >>> Marriages: >>> GROSE - LAY - At Luxulyan, April 28, by the Rev. C. E. Hosken, Mr >>> William >>> Grose, of the parish of Treverbyn, to Grace, only daughter of Mr Joseph >>> Lay, >>> of Rosemelling, Luxulyan. >>> >>> Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 26 March 1870 page 4: >>> Births: >>> GROSE - At Bridges, Luxulyan, March 21, the wife of Mr. William Grose, >>> of >>> a >>> daughter. >>> >>> Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 11 May 1877 page 5: >>> Deaths: >>> GROSE - At Bridges, Luxulyan, May 5, Mr. John Grose, aged 69. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jen. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:39 AM, Dee Edwards via >>>> <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >> >>>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:31 AM, dee edwards <dee@macace.net> wrote: >>> >>>>>> After several years when living family, work etc kept me busy, I’m >>>>>> back >>>>>> researching my GROSE roots. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have traced a great number of the branches my GROSE family around >>>>>> Luxulyan, back to George GROSE d. 1692. But I have a brick wall about >>>>>> the death & whereabouts of my great great grandfather, William GROSE. >>>>>> >>>>>> William GROSE born 11.04.1840 (St Austell), baptised 07.06.1846 St >>>>>> Austell s/o John GROSE (b01.01.1807 d 16.03.1881 St Austell) & Mary >>>>>> (nee >>>>>> WARRICK b 14.10.1798 d 13.03.1872) >>>>>> >>>>>> William GROSE married Grace LAY/LEY (b 1845, bap 28.06.1850 Luxulyan) >>>>>> on >>>>>> 24.04.1866 in Luxulyan >>>>>> Children: >>>>>> William Ley GROSE b 30.09.1866 (M Tryphosa RICHARDS June 1887) >>>>>> Joseph Henry GROSE (b 26.06.1868 Canamaning St Austell, married >>>>>> (08.05.1892 Luxulyan) Ann Sophia ROACH (b 27.03 1873 Luxulyan) - my >>>>>> great grandfather. >>>>>> Mary Ley GROSE (b26.06.1870 Luxulyan, d 11.06.1871 Bridges Luxulyan) >>>>>> also Edith Higman GROSE d 18.03.1890 reported by Henry GROSE >>>>>> ‘stepbrother’ - illegitimate daughter of Grace GROSE & John HIGMAN) >>>>>> >>>>>> William GROSE doesn’t appear on the 1871 census in Cornwall, or >>>>>> subsequent censuses anywhere. I think he left sometime 1869/70. I >>>>>> suspect that Mary Ley GROSE was illegitimate - her birth was >>>>>> registered >>>>>> by her mother, the death was reported by Benjamin STURTRIDGE of Pelyn >>>>>> Tors, Lanlivery (4 miles away) ‘in attendance'. I can’t find a >>>>>> connection between GROSE & STURTRIDGE. I have got Grace GROSE’s >>>>>> history >>>>>> from 1970 onwards (she worked at Bodmin hospital etc) to her death >>>>>> 16.11.1911 in Roche. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have searched boat lists to Oz, US & Canadian sources but can find >>>>>> nothing. Cousins did emigrate to Australia - I’ve been sent an >>>>>> obituary >>>>>> of one who was a saddler in Ballarat. >>>>>> >>>>>> So if anyone knows about William GROSE b 11.04.1840 after 1870, I’d >>>>>> love >>>>>> to know! By profession he was a carpenter, as was his father. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >>> information >>> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a general query for all you knowledgable folks. I have a cousin and his wife who were both buried in "unconsecrated plots" in St Stephen in Brannel, and I'm curious as to what sort of circumstances might have caused them to warrant such literally unceremonious treatment. Mary EMMETT nee TIPPETT was buried 19 Apr 1916 in St Stephen in Brannel, from a transcription of Cemetery records courtesy John Evans in the OPC database. Husband James Trewhella EMMETT was likewise buried in Stephen in Brannel 9 Nov 1912, same source. There is no record that I can see in the Stephen in Brannel church registers for either burial. So as well as asking why it might have happened, also would the church have been any part in the burial? If not then who, the Union? Did they have civil funerals? Probably unrelated but of interest, they had a daughter Elizabeth Jane EMMETT who appears to have had five children born out of wedlock between 1893 and 1902, the first three raised by Mary & James and the last two in a foster family in Bodmin, I'd think that this was just a little unusual. Peter Relph

The Necropolis Railway used to carry corpses from Waterloo Station to the huge cemetery in Brookwood, Surrey. There were two stations inside the cemetery, one for Anglicans, the other for Dissenters. I used to guide at Highgate Cemetery and they have two separate sections. The Anglican section had been consecrated by the Bishop of London when the cemetery opened in 1839. The other section was never consecrated as it contained, not just Dissenters, for example the scientist, Michael Faraday, but also atheists. Nick Serpell Sent from my iPad > On 27 Sep 2014, at 11:47, Liz & Tom Thompson via <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > We have a similar situation at St Agnes. The Stilefields Cemetery, around > and behind St Agnes Museum, is split into two sections. The righthand part > is the consecrated part for CofE, and the lefthand, for non-conformists, > i.e. generally Methodist. The Chapel of Rest, now the Museum, was similarly > split, with a 9" thick wall between the two so that one party couldn't hear > what was happening next door, and two identical entrances, originally with > two separate paths leading to the building. > > Tom Thompson, > St Agnes. > >> Consecrated ground was for C of E parishioners, those not C of E would >> have the plot consecrated by their particular minister at the time of >> burial > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, We have a similar situation at St Agnes. The Stilefields Cemetery, around and behind St Agnes Museum, is split into two sections. The righthand part is the consecrated part for CofE, and the lefthand, for non-conformists, i.e. generally Methodist. The Chapel of Rest, now the Museum, was similarly split, with a 9" thick wall between the two so that one party couldn't hear what was happening next door, and two identical entrances, originally with two separate paths leading to the building. Tom Thompson, St Agnes. > Consecrated ground was for C of E parishioners, those not C of E would > have the plot consecrated by their particular minister at the time of > burial

I have to say also Dee that this scenario is almost identical to one on my own line..... Christopher Ellis RICHARDS b. 1840 Cornwall, m. 1851, with wife on 1851 UK Census, daughter born 1852, son born 1853 - never seen again on UK Census. She however was, with children, showed married to saddler which he was, then finally widow, but just prior to his death. He had left UK late 1854 and arrived Australia early 1855 where he lived until his death in 1892 in Sydney, NSW, Australia. Will we ever know the story behind what he (& your William GROSE) got up to....? Barb in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb O'Neil via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> To: "Jenny Meadows" <jenny@toptensoftware.com>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; "Dee Edwards" <dee@macace.net> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Fwd: lost ancestor William GROSE > Hello Dee > I came across the following on rootsweb from 2001 - it seems to refer to > your William GROSE but does not give any further information. > What it does do is show that it is very likely his sister Harriet > emigrated > to New Zealand - worth checking if you have not already done so. > Fingers crossed - Barb in Oz > .......................................................................... > SEE BELOW: > From: " C J & J Edwards" <acorn@iinet.com.au> > Subject: RE: [CON-GEN] Chynoweth/Grose to New Zealand > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:06:19 +0800 > In-Reply-To: <000001c12c3e$8ed1e780$525237d2@jmmciver> > > > I wonder if this is Harriet > > Descendants of John Grose > 1 John Groseb: 1807 in Roche, Cornwall,UKd: Bet. > 1871 - 1881 > .+Mary Warrickb: 14 October 1798 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK > m: 10 January 1829 in St Austell, Cornwall,UKd: 1872 in Pennwithick > Stents, St Austell, Cornwall,UK > .....2 Jane Groseb: 2 August 1829 in St Austell, > Cornwall,UK > .....2 John Groseb: 6 May 1832 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK > .....2 Harriet Groseb: 6 April 1834 in St Austell, > Cornwall,UK > .....2 Henry Groseb: 3 January 1836 in St Austell, > Cornwall,UK > .....2 Grace Ann Groseb: 7 June 1846 in St Austell, > Cornwall,UK > .....2 Tom Groseb: 1850 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK > d: 1851 > .....2 William Groseb: 11 April 1840 in St Austell, > Cornwall,UK > .........+Grace Leyb: 1845 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UK > m: 28 April 1866 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: Aft. 1871 > .............3 Joseph Henry Groseb: 20 April 1868 in > Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: 1910 > .................+Ann Sophia Roachb: 27 March 1873 > in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: 15 January 1944 > .....................Snipped > .............3 Mary Ley Groseb: 26 April 1870 in Luxulyan, > Cornwall,UKd: 13 June 1871 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UK > .............3 William Ley Groseb: 30 September 1866 in > Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: Aft. 1881 > > Regards > > Clem > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy & Murray McIver [mailto:jandm.nustart@xtra.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 9:46 AM > To: CORNISH-GEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CON-GEN] Chynoweth/Grose to New Zealand > > William Chynoweth born in Cornwall,England in 1826 > Harriet Grose born in Cornwall, England in 1834. > Married 17 Feb. 1862 Dunedin,Otago,New Zealand. > They lived in Lyttelton, Canterbury, N.Z. in St David Street. The > children > they had numbered 6,as far as I can find out. Four of the children died > aged > between 9 months and 14 years. My grandmother Minnie and her sister > Annie > lived. My research here in New Zealand seems to draw blanks as far as to > any > relations. There are other Chynoweth families here but all say there is > no > connection. I would like to find out if William or Harriet had a middle > name, or any other brothers or sisters who made it to NZ. Can any one > help > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny Meadows via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > To: "Dee Edwards" <dee@macace.net>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Fwd: lost ancestor William GROSE > > >> Hi Dee, >> >> I had a look for William but unfortunately had no luck finding him in the >> 1871 or 1881 Census or a burial for him in the Cornwall OPC database. I >> saw >> that Grace was listed as married in the 1871 and 1881 Census and a widow >> in >> the 1891 Census so it might be worthwhile to trawl through Luxulyan, St. >> Austell and Treverbyn parish registers on Familysearch to see if his >> burial >> was missed. >> >> I found these announcements in the newspaper for your family - >> >> Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 03 May 1866 page 5: >> Marriages: >> GROSE - LAY - At Luxulyan, April 28, by the Rev. C. E. Hosken, Mr William >> Grose, of the parish of Treverbyn, to Grace, only daughter of Mr Joseph >> Lay, >> of Rosemelling, Luxulyan. >> >> Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 26 March 1870 page 4: >> Births: >> GROSE - At Bridges, Luxulyan, March 21, the wife of Mr. William Grose, of >> a >> daughter. >> >> Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 11 May 1877 page 5: >> Deaths: >> GROSE - At Bridges, Luxulyan, May 5, Mr. John Grose, aged 69. >> >> Cheers, >> Jen. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:39 AM, Dee Edwards via >>> <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:31 AM, dee edwards <dee@macace.net> wrote: >> >>>>> After several years when living family, work etc kept me busy, I’m >>>>> back >>>>> researching my GROSE roots. >>>>> >>>>> I have traced a great number of the branches my GROSE family around >>>>> Luxulyan, back to George GROSE d. 1692. But I have a brick wall about >>>>> the death & whereabouts of my great great grandfather, William GROSE. >>>>> >>>>> William GROSE born 11.04.1840 (St Austell), baptised 07.06.1846 St >>>>> Austell s/o John GROSE (b01.01.1807 d 16.03.1881 St Austell) & Mary >>>>> (nee >>>>> WARRICK b 14.10.1798 d 13.03.1872) >>>>> >>>>> William GROSE married Grace LAY/LEY (b 1845, bap 28.06.1850 Luxulyan) >>>>> on >>>>> 24.04.1866 in Luxulyan >>>>> Children: >>>>> William Ley GROSE b 30.09.1866 (M Tryphosa RICHARDS June 1887) >>>>> Joseph Henry GROSE (b 26.06.1868 Canamaning St Austell, married >>>>> (08.05.1892 Luxulyan) Ann Sophia ROACH (b 27.03 1873 Luxulyan) - my >>>>> great grandfather. >>>>> Mary Ley GROSE (b26.06.1870 Luxulyan, d 11.06.1871 Bridges Luxulyan) >>>>> also Edith Higman GROSE d 18.03.1890 reported by Henry GROSE >>>>> ‘stepbrother’ - illegitimate daughter of Grace GROSE & John HIGMAN) >>>>> >>>>> William GROSE doesn’t appear on the 1871 census in Cornwall, or >>>>> subsequent censuses anywhere. I think he left sometime 1869/70. I >>>>> suspect that Mary Ley GROSE was illegitimate - her birth was >>>>> registered >>>>> by her mother, the death was reported by Benjamin STURTRIDGE of Pelyn >>>>> Tors, Lanlivery (4 miles away) ‘in attendance'. I can’t find a >>>>> connection between GROSE & STURTRIDGE. I have got Grace GROSE’s >>>>> history >>>>> from 1970 onwards (she worked at Bodmin hospital etc) to her death >>>>> 16.11.1911 in Roche. >>>>> >>>>> I have searched boat lists to Oz, US & Canadian sources but can find >>>>> nothing. Cousins did emigrate to Australia - I’ve been sent an >>>>> obituary >>>>> of one who was a saddler in Ballarat. >>>>> >>>>> So if anyone knows about William GROSE b 11.04.1840 after 1870, I’d >>>>> love >>>>> to know! By profession he was a carpenter, as was his father. >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Dee Had a look on the NZ BD&M - nothing exciting.... https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ Marriage Search I found - No marriage for a William GROSE 1871 - 1905 Births Search I found - No children born to Father named William GROSE 1871 - 1905 Death Search Registration No. Family Name Given Name(s) Age at Death 1907/6256 Grose William 90Y 1905/8039 Grose William 3W 1912/9060 Grose Frederick William 41Y 1883/5629 Grose William 80Y None of the above fit the DOB of your William GROSE - but who knows who gave the information...? There are a number of Electoral Roll entries for William GROSE in NZ - might be worth checking out to see if they are anywhere near Harriett his sister. Also try to find William arriving NZ. Just suggestions.... Barb in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Meadows via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> To: "Dee Edwards" <dee@macace.net>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Fwd: lost ancestor William GROSE > Hi Dee, > > I had a look for William but unfortunately had no luck finding him in the > 1871 or 1881 Census or a burial for him in the Cornwall OPC database. I > saw > that Grace was listed as married in the 1871 and 1881 Census and a widow > in > the 1891 Census so it might be worthwhile to trawl through Luxulyan, St. > Austell and Treverbyn parish registers on Familysearch to see if his > burial > was missed. > > I found these announcements in the newspaper for your family - > > Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 03 May 1866 page 5: > Marriages: > GROSE - LAY - At Luxulyan, April 28, by the Rev. C. E. Hosken, Mr William > Grose, of the parish of Treverbyn, to Grace, only daughter of Mr Joseph > Lay, > of Rosemelling, Luxulyan. > > Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 26 March 1870 page 4: > Births: > GROSE - At Bridges, Luxulyan, March 21, the wife of Mr. William Grose, of > a > daughter. > > Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 11 May 1877 page 5: > Deaths: > GROSE - At Bridges, Luxulyan, May 5, Mr. John Grose, aged 69. > > Cheers, > Jen. > > > > > > > > >> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:39 AM, Dee Edwards via >> <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:31 AM, dee edwards <dee@macace.net> wrote: > >>>> After several years when living family, work etc kept me busy, I’m back >>>> researching my GROSE roots. >>>> >>>> I have traced a great number of the branches my GROSE family around >>>> Luxulyan, back to George GROSE d. 1692. But I have a brick wall about >>>> the death & whereabouts of my great great grandfather, William GROSE. >>>> >>>> William GROSE born 11.04.1840 (St Austell), baptised 07.06.1846 St >>>> Austell s/o John GROSE (b01.01.1807 d 16.03.1881 St Austell) & Mary >>>> (nee >>>> WARRICK b 14.10.1798 d 13.03.1872) >>>> >>>> William GROSE married Grace LAY/LEY (b 1845, bap 28.06.1850 Luxulyan) >>>> on >>>> 24.04.1866 in Luxulyan >>>> Children: >>>> William Ley GROSE b 30.09.1866 (M Tryphosa RICHARDS June 1887) >>>> Joseph Henry GROSE (b 26.06.1868 Canamaning St Austell, married >>>> (08.05.1892 Luxulyan) Ann Sophia ROACH (b 27.03 1873 Luxulyan) - my >>>> great grandfather. >>>> Mary Ley GROSE (b26.06.1870 Luxulyan, d 11.06.1871 Bridges Luxulyan) >>>> also Edith Higman GROSE d 18.03.1890 reported by Henry GROSE >>>> ‘stepbrother’ - illegitimate daughter of Grace GROSE & John HIGMAN) >>>> >>>> William GROSE doesn’t appear on the 1871 census in Cornwall, or >>>> subsequent censuses anywhere. I think he left sometime 1869/70. I >>>> suspect that Mary Ley GROSE was illegitimate - her birth was registered >>>> by her mother, the death was reported by Benjamin STURTRIDGE of Pelyn >>>> Tors, Lanlivery (4 miles away) ‘in attendance'. I can’t find a >>>> connection between GROSE & STURTRIDGE. I have got Grace GROSE’s history >>>> from 1970 onwards (she worked at Bodmin hospital etc) to her death >>>> 16.11.1911 in Roche. >>>> >>>> I have searched boat lists to Oz, US & Canadian sources but can find >>>> nothing. Cousins did emigrate to Australia - I’ve been sent an obituary >>>> of one who was a saddler in Ballarat. >>>> >>>> So if anyone knows about William GROSE b 11.04.1840 after 1870, I’d >>>> love >>>> to know! By profession he was a carpenter, as was his father. > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Dee I came across the following on rootsweb from 2001 - it seems to refer to your William GROSE but does not give any further information. What it does do is show that it is very likely his sister Harriet emigrated to New Zealand - worth checking if you have not already done so. Fingers crossed - Barb in Oz .......................................................................... SEE BELOW: From: " C J & J Edwards" <acorn@iinet.com.au> Subject: RE: [CON-GEN] Chynoweth/Grose to New Zealand Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:06:19 +0800 In-Reply-To: <000001c12c3e$8ed1e780$525237d2@jmmciver> I wonder if this is Harriet Descendants of John Grose 1 John Groseb: 1807 in Roche, Cornwall,UKd: Bet. 1871 - 1881 .+Mary Warrickb: 14 October 1798 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK m: 10 January 1829 in St Austell, Cornwall,UKd: 1872 in Pennwithick Stents, St Austell, Cornwall,UK .....2 Jane Groseb: 2 August 1829 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK .....2 John Groseb: 6 May 1832 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK .....2 Harriet Groseb: 6 April 1834 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK .....2 Henry Groseb: 3 January 1836 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK .....2 Grace Ann Groseb: 7 June 1846 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK .....2 Tom Groseb: 1850 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK d: 1851 .....2 William Groseb: 11 April 1840 in St Austell, Cornwall,UK .........+Grace Leyb: 1845 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UK m: 28 April 1866 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: Aft. 1871 .............3 Joseph Henry Groseb: 20 April 1868 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: 1910 .................+Ann Sophia Roachb: 27 March 1873 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: 15 January 1944 .....................Snipped .............3 Mary Ley Groseb: 26 April 1870 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: 13 June 1871 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UK .............3 William Ley Groseb: 30 September 1866 in Luxulyan, Cornwall,UKd: Aft. 1881 Regards Clem -----Original Message----- From: Judy & Murray McIver [mailto:jandm.nustart@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 9:46 AM To: CORNISH-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CON-GEN] Chynoweth/Grose to New Zealand William Chynoweth born in Cornwall,England in 1826 Harriet Grose born in Cornwall, England in 1834. Married 17 Feb. 1862 Dunedin,Otago,New Zealand. They lived in Lyttelton, Canterbury, N.Z. in St David Street. The children they had numbered 6,as far as I can find out. Four of the children died aged between 9 months and 14 years. My grandmother Minnie and her sister Annie lived. My research here in New Zealand seems to draw blanks as far as to any relations. There are other Chynoweth families here but all say there is no connection. I would like to find out if William or Harriet had a middle name, or any other brothers or sisters who made it to NZ. Can any one help ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Meadows via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> To: "Dee Edwards" <dee@macace.net>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Fwd: lost ancestor William GROSE > Hi Dee, > > I had a look for William but unfortunately had no luck finding him in the > 1871 or 1881 Census or a burial for him in the Cornwall OPC database. I > saw > that Grace was listed as married in the 1871 and 1881 Census and a widow > in > the 1891 Census so it might be worthwhile to trawl through Luxulyan, St. > Austell and Treverbyn parish registers on Familysearch to see if his > burial > was missed. > > I found these announcements in the newspaper for your family - > > Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 03 May 1866 page 5: > Marriages: > GROSE - LAY - At Luxulyan, April 28, by the Rev. C. E. Hosken, Mr William > Grose, of the parish of Treverbyn, to Grace, only daughter of Mr Joseph > Lay, > of Rosemelling, Luxulyan. > > Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 26 March 1870 page 4: > Births: > GROSE - At Bridges, Luxulyan, March 21, the wife of Mr. William Grose, of > a > daughter. > > Royal Cornwall Gazette dated 11 May 1877 page 5: > Deaths: > GROSE - At Bridges, Luxulyan, May 5, Mr. John Grose, aged 69. > > Cheers, > Jen. > > > > > > > > >> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:39 AM, Dee Edwards via >> <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:31 AM, dee edwards <dee@macace.net> wrote: > >>>> After several years when living family, work etc kept me busy, I’m back >>>> researching my GROSE roots. >>>> >>>> I have traced a great number of the branches my GROSE family around >>>> Luxulyan, back to George GROSE d. 1692. But I have a brick wall about >>>> the death & whereabouts of my great great grandfather, William GROSE. >>>> >>>> William GROSE born 11.04.1840 (St Austell), baptised 07.06.1846 St >>>> Austell s/o John GROSE (b01.01.1807 d 16.03.1881 St Austell) & Mary >>>> (nee >>>> WARRICK b 14.10.1798 d 13.03.1872) >>>> >>>> William GROSE married Grace LAY/LEY (b 1845, bap 28.06.1850 Luxulyan) >>>> on >>>> 24.04.1866 in Luxulyan >>>> Children: >>>> William Ley GROSE b 30.09.1866 (M Tryphosa RICHARDS June 1887) >>>> Joseph Henry GROSE (b 26.06.1868 Canamaning St Austell, married >>>> (08.05.1892 Luxulyan) Ann Sophia ROACH (b 27.03 1873 Luxulyan) - my >>>> great grandfather. >>>> Mary Ley GROSE (b26.06.1870 Luxulyan, d 11.06.1871 Bridges Luxulyan) >>>> also Edith Higman GROSE d 18.03.1890 reported by Henry GROSE >>>> ‘stepbrother’ - illegitimate daughter of Grace GROSE & John HIGMAN) >>>> >>>> William GROSE doesn’t appear on the 1871 census in Cornwall, or >>>> subsequent censuses anywhere. I think he left sometime 1869/70. I >>>> suspect that Mary Ley GROSE was illegitimate - her birth was registered >>>> by her mother, the death was reported by Benjamin STURTRIDGE of Pelyn >>>> Tors, Lanlivery (4 miles away) ‘in attendance'. I can’t find a >>>> connection between GROSE & STURTRIDGE. I have got Grace GROSE’s history >>>> from 1970 onwards (she worked at Bodmin hospital etc) to her death >>>> 16.11.1911 in Roche. >>>> >>>> I have searched boat lists to Oz, US & Canadian sources but can find >>>> nothing. Cousins did emigrate to Australia - I’ve been sent an obituary >>>> of one who was a saddler in Ballarat. >>>> >>>> So if anyone knows about William GROSE b 11.04.1840 after 1870, I’d >>>> love >>>> to know! By profession he was a carpenter, as was his father. > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can collaborate Peter's statement. I knew a country village where a Jewish gentleman was the principal landowner. His mother died having expressed a desire to be buried in the village churchyard. The incumbent was willing for it to happen but the Jewish authorities said "No". The issue was solved by the lady being buried in a piece of land adjacent to the churchyard and the land was then given to the church for a future extension of the churchyard. And the Jewish landowner took over responsibility for maintaining the churchyard and its extension - " I can not have Mother's grave being over-run by brambles". David Henwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Relph via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> To: "'Nivard Ovington'" <ovington.one@gmail.com>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Unconsecrated ground >I gather that it wasn't the Anglican church being exclusive but the others > wanting their own space that might have been the case in this instance, I > apologise for thinking ill of the established church :-) > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 5:51 PM > To: Peter Relph; cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Unconsecrated ground > > Hi Peter > > The good folk of the C of E wouldn't want their nice clean grave yard > sullied by those 'orrible Catholics and the like would they :-) > > There was usually a section of the graveyard unconsecrated for the other > religions > > I think it was until about 1880 that only burials conducted by a C of E > minister could take place in consecrated ground > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 27/09/2014 08:38, Peter Relph wrote: >> Thank you Nivard and Diane, I didn't think it would be that simple. I'd > have >> thought that all people of the Christian persuasion would have been >> eligible. >> >> Peter > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dee, Further to Barb's message re the death of a William GROSE in 1912, the census of Newcastle, Ontario in 1901 shows that this William GROSE with a birthdate of December 8, 1840. He was then living with his widowed mother Rebecca GROSE (born June 11, 1813). Both his birthdate and his mother's name seem to exclude him as your man. Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb O'Neil via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Fw: Fw: Fwd: lost ancestor William GROSE > Dee - here is another avenue to explore - no way to know if this is YOUR > William GROSE as there were others of the same name born Cornwall c1840/41 > But maybe worth chasing up to see if there is anything conclusive in > further > details, as it shows him living in Ontario for 10 years. > Barb in Oz > ............................................................ > Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 for > William Grose > > Death Place: Durham, Ontario, Canada > > > > DEATHS > > County of Durham Division of Newcastle > > FULL NAME OF DECEASED Initials only not accepted GROSE, William > > Sex, and Race > M, Anglos Saxon > > Date of Death > Dec. 23 1912 > > Date of > ---- > > Age and Place of Birth 72 > yrs., Cornwall, England > > Place of Death etc. > Mill St., Newcastle > > Occupation > Gent, Newcastle > > Single, Widowed, or Divorced ---- > > Full name of > ---- 023391 (don't know if this could be followed > up..?) > > Birthplace of > ---- > > Maiden Name of > ---- > > Birthplace of > ---- > > Name of Physician who attended Deceased A. Farncomb > > Certified by > A. Farncomb > > Address > Newcastle > > Date > Dec. 24 1912 > > Medical Certificate of Death > > I hereby certify that I attended the deceased > > Name - GROSE, William > > From - Jan 1st 1901 > > To - Dec 23rd 1912 > > That I last saw him alive on - Dec 23rd 1912 > > That the death occurred on - Dec 23rd 1912 > > CAUSE OF DEATH > > Primary – Rheumatism > > Duration – 10 years > > Immediate - Paralysis of Brain > > Duration – 1 weeks (sic) > > Physician’s name - A. Farncomb > > Address - Newcastle > > Date - Dec. 24 1912 > > Remarks > > >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:39 AM, Dee Edwards via >>>>> <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:31 AM, dee edwards <dee@macace.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> After several years when living family, work etc kept me busy, I’m >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> researching my GROSE roots. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have traced a great number of the branches my GROSE family around >>>>>>> Luxulyan, back to George GROSE d. 1692. But I have a brick wall >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> the death & whereabouts of my great great grandfather, William >>>>>>> GROSE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William GROSE born 11.04.1840 (St Austell), baptised 07.06.1846 St >>>>>>> Austell s/o John GROSE (b01.01.1807 d 16.03.1881 St Austell) & Mary >>>>>>> (nee >>>>>>> WARRICK b 14.10.1798 d 13.03.1872) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William GROSE married Grace LAY/LEY (b 1845, bap 28.06.1850 >>>>>>> Luxulyan) >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> 24.04.1866 in Luxulyan >>>>>>> Children: >>>>>>> William Ley GROSE b 30.09.1866 (M Tryphosa RICHARDS June 1887) >>>>>>> Joseph Henry GROSE (b 26.06.1868 Canamaning St Austell, married >>>>>>> (08.05.1892 Luxulyan) Ann Sophia ROACH (b 27.03 1873 Luxulyan) - my >>>>>>> great grandfather. >>>>>>> Mary Ley GROSE (b26.06.1870 Luxulyan, d 11.06.1871 Bridges Luxulyan) >>>>>>> also Edith Higman GROSE d 18.03.1890 reported by Henry GROSE >>>>>>> ‘stepbrother’ - illegitimate daughter of Grace GROSE & John HIGMAN) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William GROSE doesn’t appear on the 1871 census in Cornwall, or >>>>>>> subsequent censuses anywhere. I think he left sometime 1869/70. I >>>>>>> suspect that Mary Ley GROSE was illegitimate - her birth was >>>>>>> registered >>>>>>> by her mother, the death was reported by Benjamin STURTRIDGE of >>>>>>> Pelyn >>>>>>> Tors, Lanlivery (4 miles away) ‘in attendance'. I can’t find a >>>>>>> connection between GROSE & STURTRIDGE. I have got Grace GROSE’s >>>>>>> history >>>>>>> from 1970 onwards (she worked at Bodmin hospital etc) to her death >>>>>>> 16.11.1911 in Roche. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have searched boat lists to Oz, US & Canadian sources but can find >>>>>>> nothing. Cousins did emigrate to Australia - I’ve been sent an >>>>>>> obituary >>>>>>> of one who was a saddler in Ballarat. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if anyone knows about William GROSE b 11.04.1840 after 1870, I’d >>>>>>> love >>>>>>> to know! By profession he was a carpenter, as was his father. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >>>> >>>> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >>>> information >>>> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >>> information >>> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter The good folk of the C of E wouldn't want their nice clean grave yard sullied by those 'orrible Catholics and the like would they :-) There was usually a section of the graveyard unconsecrated for the other religions I think it was until about 1880 that only burials conducted by a C of E minister could take place in consecrated ground Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/09/2014 08:38, Peter Relph wrote: > Thank you Nivard and Diane, I didn't think it would be that simple. I'd have > thought that all people of the Christian persuasion would have been > eligible. > > Peter

Hi Peter Non Conformism Consecrated ground was for C of E parishioners, those not C of E would have the plot consecrated by their particular minister at the time of burial The burial will most likely be in whatever religion they were of Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/09/2014 06:02, Peter Relph via wrote: > I have a general query for all you knowledgable folks. > > > > I have a cousin and his wife who were both buried in "unconsecrated plots" > in St Stephen in Brannel, and I'm curious as to what sort of circumstances > might have caused them to warrant such literally unceremonious treatment. > > > > Mary EMMETT nee TIPPETT was buried 19 Apr 1916 in St Stephen in Brannel, > from a transcription of Cemetery records courtesy John Evans in the OPC > database. > > Husband James Trewhella EMMETT was likewise buried in Stephen in Brannel 9 > Nov 1912, same source. > > > > There is no record that I can see in the Stephen in Brannel church registers > for either burial. So as well as asking why it might have happened, also > would the church have been any part in the burial? If not then who, the > Union? Did they have civil funerals? > > > > Probably unrelated but of interest, they had a daughter Elizabeth Jane > EMMETT who appears to have had five children born out of wedlock between > 1893 and 1902, the first three raised by Mary & James and the last two in a > foster family in Bodmin, I'd think that this was just a little unusual. > > > > Peter Relph

Highgate Cemetery can also claim Karl Marx, Douglas Adams and some illustrious Muslims among its permanent inhabitants. -- Norman D. Nicol, Ph.D. Professional Genealogist/Family Historian Specializing in NE Pennsylvania, England, esp. Cornwall, and Scotland