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    1. [CORNISH-GEN] OPC website updates in October
    2. myra via
    3. Hello All These are the updates made to our OPC database (http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/) and central website (http://www.cornwall-opc.org/) during October:- BMBs: Bodmin marriages, Crowan marriages, Illogan baptisms (OT), Lamorran BTs bmbs, Lanreath baptisms & marriages, Luxulyan/Bodmin Bible Christian baptisms, Morval baptisms, Pelynt baptisms & burials, Penzance St Mary baptisms, Perranzabuloe banns, Redruth baptisms (OT), Roche Parish Council Cemetery burials, Sancreed baptisms, St Agnes baptisms, St Endellion marriages, St Ives banns & marriages, St Keverne baptisms, St Keyne burials, South Hill baptisms, Stoke Climsland baptisms, Truro St Mary banns, Wendron marriages, Withiel bmbs. OTHER RECORDS: Emigrants' Obituaries, Institution Inmates, Settlement Documents, Truro Bastardy Documents, Wills Regards Myra Cordrey

    11/03/2014 01:57:24
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] Royal Cornish Miners - Bert Roberts
    2. jonrees via
    3. DEar All, After visiting the DCLI musuem in Bodmin last week, we found out that Bert Roberts (born 1881, Illogan) enlisted in the DCLI on enlisted 31 March 1915 (Service no 20920) with the 10th (Pioneer) Battalion DCLI. He was a corporal serving with the 10th battalion DCLI. Gassed. Medals British War Medal, Allied Victory Medal. Apparently he was "Formerley Royal Cornwall Miners" - Does anybody know where these records are kept? (even Kew has only one record). Any further info very welcome. Many Thanks   Jon Rees jonrees@talk21.com

    11/02/2014 03:31:44
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] Benjamin Roberts
    2. Diane Penberthy via
    3. To Horton, I am glad that you have sorted out Benjamin Roberts family. I wish my ancestor was Benjamin and not John, so much easier to search. Because Benjamin came from Paul, I am sure we are related, probably by cousins, but I don't think his brother was a John as no record of it. Have you looked up John Roberts 1735 Blacksmith's Will yet? It gives the family. I stayed in an old Vicars house in Main Street of Penzance about 20 years ago. The whole place is delightful. My Abraham also has a wall gravestone on side at Paul Parish with Mary which was interesting, but probably covered by moss now. I didn't know much of the history then. I may get there again one day. I hope so. From sunny Mandurah 70 klms south of Perth on canals. Cheers, Diane Penberthy nee Roberts >From Diane Penberthy, sent from my iPad.

    11/02/2014 04:46:00
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] Benjy Roberts's will
    2. Bolitho via
    3. Hello Bob & List; in the will Benjamin mentions "my daughter Mary", Abram Roberts, Sarah Hollow, Ann Wright, Catherine Roberts (which one?) and Joseph as executor and main beneficiary. He was also to complete a house then being built within a year- perhaps he wasn't feeling well at the time as he lived anotner 20 odd year, so I suppose the house w finished by then. Mary was to inherit the house, the rest had 2/6d, and Joseph all other property. Joseph was buried at Gulval on Dec 26th 1811- - another sad Christmas. i think we've just about sorted the family out now between us. cheers to all from horton in windy wet Penzance.

    11/01/2014 01:41:12
    1. Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William Henry WEARING
    2. Nivard Ovington via
    3. Hi Joy It means the original grant was not acted upon, the estate was not finalised At a later date, often when something was in the process of being sold and found to be in someone elses name The estate at first was estimated to be £XXX but when it came to be administered was only found to be worth £YYY Property was left to deteriorate for example so worth less In the first grant the two names are executors, presumably a trusted friend or relation of the deceased Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 31/10/2014 22:32, Joy Hungerford via wrote: > I realise this looks as if it were DEV based, but in fact it concerns part of my Stoke Climsland WEARING family. > > I found this Probate entry:- > 1900 > William Henry Wearing of Plymouth, journeyman coachbuilder d 31 Oct 1900 > Probate Exeter 22 Nov to John Wearing, Chemist. Effects £881 9s 5d > > But then I noticed this:- > 1925 > Wearing Wm Hy of 40 Tracey St Plymouth d 31 Oct 1900. > Admon (with Will) Exeter 17 Nov to William Edwin WEARING, skilled lab. Effects £652 10s. > Former grant DR Exeter 22 Nov 1900 > > William Edwin was William Henry's son, but I can't yet place John the Chemist. > > Could a VKS please tell me a possible reason for this admon being dragged up again 25 years after his death? > And maybe also why someone had been nibbling away at the proceeds in the interim? > > Kind regards > > Joy in the Garden of England

    10/31/2014 05:11:50
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] William Henry WEARING
    2. Joy Hungerford via
    3. I realise this looks as if it were DEV based, but in fact it concerns part of my Stoke Climsland WEARING family. I found this Probate entry:- 1900 William Henry Wearing of Plymouth, journeyman coachbuilder d 31 Oct 1900  Probate Exeter 22 Nov to John Wearing, Chemist. Effects £881 9s 5d But then I noticed this:- 1925 Wearing Wm Hy of 40 Tracey St Plymouth d 31 Oct 1900.  Admon (with Will) Exeter 17 Nov to William Edwin WEARING, skilled lab. Effects £652 10s.  Former grant DR Exeter 22 Nov 1900 William Edwin was William Henry's son, but I can't yet place John the Chemist. Could a VKS please tell me a possible reason for this admon being dragged up again 25 years after his death? And maybe also why someone had been nibbling away at the proceeds in the interim? Kind regards Joy in the Garden of England

    10/31/2014 04:32:16
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] Roberts trawlings
    2. Bolitho via
    3. Hello again list; I have now found the results of a trawl through the Millet transcript (probably done in the late 1990s!) of all baptisms of sons or daughters of Benjamin Roberts I think the last Catherine is the daughter of Benjamin baptised in 1747. 2/6/1727 Jane, 28/4/1730 Benjamin, 7/4/1736 John, 29/5/1738 Joseph, 14/10/1739 Mary, 13/6/1741 Anne, 5/10/1742 Catherine, 7/10/1744 Benjamin, 4/4/1747 Abram, 4/8/1765 Catherine. I cannot find any other Benjamin Roberts in the village at this time. These are the Roberts burials I found; 6/7/1730 Benjamin, 20/5/1736 John, 5/6/1737 Benjamin, 16/5/1745 Benjamin, 6/11/1755 Sarah, 1 6/4/1800 Benjamin, 16/11/1820 Benjamin age 49, 19/3/1813 Joseph age 49,2 27/4/1828 Catherine age 85 'of Penzance' 3 1 "widow of Benjamin Roberts" 2 probably not one of mine 3 Catherine baptised 1742 above? It's still a bit of a tangle, but these are what I found. In those days it was a case of getting to Penzance or Redruth library and scouring any written material you could find. Complete sets of Phillimore for Cornwall were an absolute boon. It's foggy today in Pz. Cheers, Horton B

    10/29/2014 05:29:19
    1. Re: [CORNISH-GEN] To Horton in muggy Penzance
    2. Bob Bolitho via
    3. It is possible that Benjamin Roberts bp 16 Nov 1701 at Paul was the younger brother of John Roberts who married Leah Harry. In other words, he may have been the son of John Roberts and Joan Periam. It is also possible that this Benjamin Roberts married Jane Foss on 26 Oct 1725 at Gulval, that Jane died in 1727, that Benjamin then married Sarah Murrish on 7 Apr 1729, and that all the children you list after Jane are the children of Sarah. Let me also speculate on the identity of Mary Treglawn. She could be the Mary Roberts bp 17 Jul 1692 at Paul, daughter of John Roberts and Cattren Roach. A Catherine Roberts (perhaps the wife of John Roberts) was buried on 15 Feb 1694 at Paul. So it is possible that John then married Joan Periam and started as second family. Bob Bolitho On 28/10/2014 4:14 PM, Diane Penberthy via wrote: > I know a little about your Benjamin Roberts born 1701. A John Roberts m Leah Harry in 1721 at Paul Parish, my relation, however unfortunately for my research a Honor Hutchens m a John Roberts in 1725 also at Paul Parish. Which John was born 1699, that is the mystery? > How have you got a grandma Hutchens? Anyway the John born 1699, had a brother I think Benjamin born 1701, William born 1703 and a sister Catherine born 1706. Please refer Will on internet 1735 AP/R/2189 for John Roberts. Wish we knew wife's name, doubt Catherine Roche. They lost a child Catherine, but marriage 1690 not close enough. > Who is Mary Treglawn on Will? > Because they were all blacksmiths, they had to spread out to different towns apparently. > Did you know Benjamin m Jane Foss in 1725. Children were: Jane 1727, Benjamin 1730 died, > John 1736, Joseph 1738, Mary 1739, Anne 1741, Catherine 1742, Benjamin 1744 and Abraham 1747. As a point of interest I am descended from 6 Abrahams in a row after John. > Hope you enjoy this trivia. Diane > >From Diane Penberthy, sent from my iPad. > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

    10/28/2014 05:53:19
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] More Roberts
    2. Bolitho via
    3. Hello Bob Diane and all; Benjamin's (b 1701) line is complicated by his second marriage. Jane (Foss) his first wife was buried on either Dec 13th 1727 or Dec 30th 1728. If 1727 was right, maybe she died in childbirth, I hadn't spotted that before. He then married Sarah Murrish in 1729 and I have all the subsequent baptisms in a safe place at the moment!. Sarah was buried 6th November 1755. Regarding Benjamin's 1793 burial, I probably inferred that from the probate date. I know they were living in the parish at Trythogga about that time. A family note:- there are several Catherine's mentioned in the correspondence. James Rooberts (b 1808) had a daughter Catherine born at Goddens in Gulval on September 11th 1840; her first daughter was Annie Roberts James, and her eldest daughter was Catherine Jane Hutchens - my mother, so this followed through from the late 1600s. For Diane, I reckon the Hutchens connection comes from William, son of William Hewchen (sic) (1607-94) born in Paul. His marriage to unknown Phillipa i cannot find, but I am descended from their son Nicholas baptised at St Buryan 3rd March 1643. The family were in St Buryan until the 1700s hen they crossed the parish boundary to St Levan, and then in the mid 19th century to Paul and then Penzance, where I was born. James Roberts farmed at Goddens and Trevaylor, and there is a headstone in Gulval churchyard detailing his wife Anne and some family. I have his will. Penzance is not so muggy today- Cheers, Horton B

    10/28/2014 10:49:33
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] To Horton in muggy Penzance
    2. Diane Penberthy via
    3. I know a little about your Benjamin Roberts born 1701. A John Roberts m Leah Harry in 1721 at Paul Parish, my relation, however unfortunately for my research a Honor Hutchens m a John Roberts in 1725 also at Paul Parish. Which John was born 1699, that is the mystery? How have you got a grandma Hutchens? Anyway the John born 1699, had a brother I think Benjamin born 1701, William born 1703 and a sister Catherine born 1706. Please refer Will on internet 1735 AP/R/2189 for John Roberts. Wish we knew wife's name, doubt Catherine Roche. They lost a child Catherine, but marriage 1690 not close enough. Who is Mary Treglawn on Will? Because they were all blacksmiths, they had to spread out to different towns apparently. Did you know Benjamin m Jane Foss in 1725. Children were: Jane 1727, Benjamin 1730 died, John 1736, Joseph 1738, Mary 1739, Anne 1741, Catherine 1742, Benjamin 1744 and Abraham 1747. As a point of interest I am descended from 6 Abrahams in a row after John. Hope you enjoy this trivia. Diane >From Diane Penberthy, sent from my iPad.

    10/28/2014 07:14:42
    1. Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Roberts family of Paul Cornwall
    2. Bolitho via
    3. Hello Diane and the list; I am interested in this, as I am descended from a Benjamin Roberts baptised at Paul on 16th November 1701. he was also a blacksmith, and was buried at Gulval in 1793. He made a will in 1769 proved in June 1893 0f which I have an approved copy. He was also a blacksmith as were his son Joseph (1738 - 1811) and grandson Benjamin (1772 - 1820). My original Benjamin was either the son of Thomas Roberts baptised 21 October 1670 or the son of Richard baptised on 26 September 1671, both at Paul. I have the marriage of John Roberts to Cattren Roche on 31 January 1690 at Paul, which may be the relevant one. I also have a note of John son of John baptised 16 August 1699 at Paul, which I think links to your query, and possibly more of your family. The younger Benjamin married Frances Bolitho in 1800, who although I cannot entirely prove it I am sure was a sister to my 3xg-grandfather Thomas Bolitho. Benjamin and Frances are my direct ancestors; their granddaughter Annie Roberts James became my grandma Hutchens, who I vaguely remember. Another footnote, Joseph Roberts' widow died in April 1812, 4 months after him, and before the will was proved - bad luck Elizabeth! Cheers from Horton in mild and muggy Penzance ---Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diane Penberthy via Sent: 27 October 2014 03:18 To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Roberts family of Paul Cornwall Does anyone have any info on John Roberts born abt 1699 married Leah Harry 1721 and died 1775, the same year as Abraham (my relation) his son. All Blacksmiths. I think his father also a John Roberts. I have their children's names. A fire went through Paul church when Spanish invaders came and a lot of records lost. I have hit a brick wall. Which town did they come from before Paul? Another Abraham came to Australia in 1853 and did very well opening a Foundry in Bendigo, Victoria. >From Diane Penberthy, sent from my iPad. ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/27/2014 01:43:19
    1. Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Roberts family of Paul Cornwall
    2. Bob Bolitho via
    3. Hi Diane If John Roberts bp 20 Aug 1699 at Paul was the son of John Roberts and Joan Periam, his parents were married on 2 Jan 1697/8 at Gwennap, although the groom was from Paul. Bob Bolitho On 27/10/2014 2:17 PM, Diane Penberthy via wrote: > Does anyone have any info on John Roberts born abt 1699 married Leah Harry 1721 and died 1775, the same year as Abraham (my relation) his son. All Blacksmiths. I think his father also a John Roberts. I have their children's names. A fire went through Paul church when Spanish invaders came and a lot of records lost. I have hit a brick wall. Which town did they come from before Paul? Another Abraham came to Australia in 1853 and did very well opening a Foundry in Bendigo, Victoria. > > >From Diane Penberthy, sent from my iPad. > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

    10/27/2014 09:14:21
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] Roberts family of Paul Cornwall
    2. Diane Penberthy via
    3. Does anyone have any info on John Roberts born abt 1699 married Leah Harry 1721 and died 1775, the same year as Abraham (my relation) his son. All Blacksmiths. I think his father also a John Roberts. I have their children's names. A fire went through Paul church when Spanish invaders came and a lot of records lost. I have hit a brick wall. Which town did they come from before Paul? Another Abraham came to Australia in 1853 and did very well opening a Foundry in Bendigo, Victoria. >From Diane Penberthy, sent from my iPad.

    10/27/2014 05:17:32
    1. Re: [CORNISH-GEN] EVA/PENHALIGON
    2. Kathryn via
    3. Dear Julia, Have you considered that Mrs PENHALIGON is a second marriage? And so her daughter was not a PENHALIGON when she married JOSHUA EVA but a Hocking or Brown or something. Maybe just look for any Joshua Eva marriage prior to 1858 and then backtrack the bride's surname to a later PENHALIGON marriage - the second being Mrs PENHALIGON. Anyway, good luck. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julia Hanneman-Schoenbach via Sent: Sunday, 26 October 2014 12:14 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] EVA/PENHALIGON WEST BRITON 24 September, 1858 On Thursday, before Mr. E. MICHELL and Mr. CHAPPEL, JESSY BAKER, a seaman, of Poole, Dorsetshire, was charged with assaulting JOSHUA EVA, of Charles-street, who belongs to the band of the Miners? Artillery Militia. At ten minutes before twelve on Wednesday night, Eva, his wife, and Mrs. PENHALIGON, his mother-in-law, were returning from a relative?s house, down Pydar-street to the High Cross, when Baker came up, made use of a bad expression, struck Eva, and knocked him down. It appeared he had mistaken Eva for some other person. Baker was fined 3s. and costs, or to be committed for 21 days to hard labour. PENHALIGON is one of mine! BUT I can't locate an EVA/PENHALIGON marriage in the OPC database. Can anyone help? Julia Hanneman-Schoenbach, Waterford MI USA ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/26/2014 01:35:11
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] Stacey/Stacy - Sanguin - Uglow
    2. Lisa Bullock via
    3. Hi folks Im new to this list and just wanted to share my Cornwall folks in case there were any connections out there STACEY - Grace Sanguin Stacey b 1848 Poundstock d Timaru New Zealand (as Mary Grace CROMIE - Previously BARKER) in 1903 Her parents were William Wells STACEY and Mary SANGUIN (d/o of Samuel SANGUIN and Ann) b 1815 North Tamerton married North Tamerton 1835 died 1895 Stratton William Wells STACEY b 1811 d ? was the s/o Thomas Stacey 1774 - 1837 ( s/o Malachi and Mary) and Susanna UGLOW 1774 - 1835 (d/o John Uglow and Grace Wells 1732 - 1796 - I think although there seems to be some conflicting thoughts about on this) At the moment I am trying to build the Sanguin/Sanguine/Sangwin (and many other variants) branch. Considering this is a very uncommon name I am struggling a bit to put it all together. A work in Progress : ) Thank goodness for the Cornwall OPC They are awesome people!! -- -- Lisa Bullock - Canterbury New Zealand

    10/26/2014 11:51:12
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] William JULIAN and Jenefer PEARCE in Tregoss, Roche
    2. Jenny Meadows via
    3. I would like to contact anyone researching the following JULIAN family in Tregoss, Roche - William JULIAN married Jenefer PEARCE on 06 May 1781 in Roche, Cornwall. Jenefer was the daughter of John and Mary PEARCE bapt in Roche on 08 Jun 1756. Children of William and Jenefer born in Roche - William 1782 m. Elizabeth LIDDICOAT 24 Nov 1804 in Roche, died 1852 in Roche; Mary 1783 m. Thomas CORNELIUS 10 Jun 1811 in Roche, died 1864 in St. Mewan; Richard 1785 m. Elizabeth STUTHRIDGE 12 Oct 1812 in St. Dennis, died 1866 in Luxulyan; John 1787 m. Frances LIDDICOAT 03 Jan 1818 in Roche, died 1864 in Roche; Jenefer 1789 unmarried, died 1856 in St. Dennis buried in Roche. Frank or Francis 1792 m. Mary RETALLICK 15 Jan 1820 in Roche, died unknown; Catherine 1795 m. Thomas VARCOE 10 Nov 1821 in Roche, died 1870 in St. Dennis; Betty or Elizabeth 1798 m. William PEARCE 22 Jul 1820 in Roche, died 1866 in Roche. Thanks, Jen.

    10/26/2014 08:06:57
    1. Re: [CORNISH-GEN] EVA/PENHALIGON
    2. Joy Langdon via
    3. On the 1861 census there is a Joshua Eva with wife Ellen and FreeBMD has : Marriages Truro Mar 1857 5c 293 Joshua EVA and Ellen PENHALIGON Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Date : 26/10/2014 - 03:13 (GMTST) To : cornish-gen@rootsweb.com, cornish@rootsweb.com Subject : [CORNISH-GEN] EVA/PENHALIGON WEST BRITON 24 September, 1858 On Thursday, before Mr. E. MICHELL and Mr. CHAPPEL, JESSY BAKER, a seaman, of Poole, Dorsetshire, was charged with assaulting JOSHUA EVA, of Charles-street, who belongs to the band of the Miners? Artillery Militia. At ten minutes before twelve on Wednesday night, Eva, his wife, and Mrs. PENHALIGON, his mother-in-law, were returning from a relative?s house, down Pydar-street to the High Cross, when Baker came up, made use of a bad expression, struck Eva, and knocked him down. It appeared he had mistaken Eva for some other person. Baker was fined 3s. and costs, or to be committed for 21 days to hard labour. PENHALIGON is one of mine! BUT I can't locate an EVA/PENHALIGON marriage in the OPC database. Can anyone help? Julia Hanneman-Schoenbach, Waterford MI USA ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/26/2014 03:53:53
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] EVA/PENHALIGON
    2. Julia Hanneman-Schoenbach via
    3. WEST BRITON 24 September, 1858 On Thursday, before Mr. E. MICHELL and Mr. CHAPPEL, JESSY BAKER, a seaman, of Poole, Dorsetshire, was charged with assaulting JOSHUA EVA, of Charles-street, who belongs to the band of the Miners? Artillery Militia. At ten minutes before twelve on Wednesday night, Eva, his wife, and Mrs. PENHALIGON, his mother-in-law, were returning from a relative?s house, down Pydar-street to the High Cross, when Baker came up, made use of a bad expression, struck Eva, and knocked him down. It appeared he had mistaken Eva for some other person. Baker was fined 3s. and costs, or to be committed for 21 days to hard labour. PENHALIGON is one of mine! BUT I can't locate an EVA/PENHALIGON marriage in the OPC database. Can anyone help? Julia Hanneman-Schoenbach, Waterford MI USA

    10/25/2014 01:13:36
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] Prout families of Launceston and nearby.
    2. I am interested in the PROUT families of Launceston and nearby. If anyone has an interest in them, please let me know with a view to exchanging information. Thanks, Isabel 1. PROUT, John, 1901 census, North Hill, Cornwall (icemaiden47@tiscali.co.uk) 2. Re: PROUT, John, 1901 census, North Hill, Cornwall (Jenny Meadows) Hello listers I am new to this list and looking for John PROUT, born c 1894 in North Hill area. In 1901 census he is with Samuel HAWKE and family in North Hill, aged 7 and a visitor. I?ve not been able to find him in 1911 census and so far haven?t found a birth in that area that seems to fit. On 1901 census there seem to have been another 2 children named PROUT who were ?visitors? to other families not far from North Hill, so could they be related, and maybe parents were deceased, or perhaps in a workhouse? I believe this to be the same John PROUT who married Ada COLWILL in Liskeard Register Office in August 1911. John is a farm labourer at Longridge, Linkinghorne at that time. The marriage certificate gave John?s father as William deceased, and their ages as 18 but Ada had only had her 17th birthday a month earlier, and John too was said to be only 17. John and Ada had a daughter the following year then John emigrated to Canada in May 1913 on board vessel ?Victorian? from Liverpool to Quebec. I understand many Cornishmen went to Canada at that time, answering a call from the Canadian government for more workers. I found a record for John on Cornwall OPC site in 1916 applying to go on the Canadian Expeditionary Force, residing in Paris, Ontario and already had experience in 26th dragoons. On that application he was listed as married, wife?s name Ada and his birth was at Coads Green and correct age for this John PROUT. Ada remained in England and had another daughter born! in Newton Abbot area in 1917 followed by twins born in Greenbank House, Plymouth in 1924. At the time of the twins? birth in 1924 Ada was employed and lived at Tremollet, Coads Green. Did John stay in Canada, perhaps remarrying there and having another family ? or did he come back to England? Ada went on to marry again in 1930. Does anyone on this list have John in their tree, or can throw any light on John?s birth family and on what happened to him after emigrating to Canada? Thanks Jean

    10/24/2014 09:58:57
    1. [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton, 24 Sept. 1858 - more news
    2. Julia Mosman via
    3. 24 September 1857 STATE OF LISKEARD To the EDITOR of the WEST BRITON Sir - Some friend of Liskeard has been good enough to forward to me a copy of your paper, containing a letter from Mr. SANDERS and a copy of Mr. GLUBB’s flippant epistle to the Times. . The latter does not, in the face of so many facts, and so many statements, condemnatory of the state of Liskeard from Liskeard people, require any answer from me. The former is written in so excellent a spirit that I am satisfied it means well. I conceive the work to be a good work, and it lay strictly in what I consider the line of my duty to take note of sanitary evils bearing upon so large a portion of my fellow-countrymen, and capable of remedy. Any purely local man might as well have thrust his hand into the fire or have stirred up a hornet’s nest, as have moved in this matter; it therefore fell to me, and I am content to take the odium, so that the people who deserve better things at the hands of the authorities get the benefit. . The last letter of mine that appeared in the Times, Sept. 7th, winds up the matter so far as I am concerned; I beg you to insert that letter if you have not already done so; and to assure you, sir, as I do my fellow Cornishmen, that in my humble way, I, in every sense wish them well; and that no offence is meant except to neglectful authorities. A candid truth-searching inquiry into the state of Liskeard as to water supply, cesspools, drains, house accommodation, and other matters bearing upon health and a better social condition will well repay the trouble; and I suggest an extension of the inquiry to Callington, Looe, Lerrin, and perhaps Polperro. . I am, Sir, with much respect, Your obedient servant, WILLIAM RENDLE Medical Officer of Health London, Sept. 20, 1858 ............................................................................. TO the EDITOR OF THE TIMES SIR - My letter to you of August 26, does not need the correction suggested by your last correspondent. I carefully used the words "as to the district," which, of course, include every sub-district and parish, and prevented the necessity for specifying any in particular; that section of my letter includes the paragraph alluded to. There is no reference to Liskeard town until the words "the later quarter." . If, Sir, these are all the objections that can be urged against my very serious charges, they amount to nothing, or to this only - "We cannot disprove the facts you bring forward as to the state of Liskeard town, but, as other places are as bad or worse, why throw the blame on us alone?" The whole district being officially called by the name of the town may give colour to this. I have, however, sufficiently and I believe carefully distinguished them; but, as they are all bad, let them all mend. . The following is a good rule, and I specially recommend it to the authorities of this and other neglected places in Cornwall; it will if fairly acted upon, save many lives and prevent much mischief. Whenever fever, or any malignant or unusually fatal epidemic visits and revisits a place, it should be assumed that some great local evil is there, requiring amendment. . I have notes of other Cornish places quite as bad as Liskeard, in which life appears to be thrown away as a valueless commodity. I have not, however, time to pursue the subject further; one of the worst districts of London claims my especial and unceasing care. The authorities of Liskeard district must now fairly investigate the evils of their respective localities, and apportion the work accordingly. I care not to decide, even if I could, which locality is worse; they are all bad enough. If the authorities prove as industrious and clean as the people appear to be, these fever nests will be speedily cleared. . One extract from a letter just received from a gentleman of Liskeard, and I have done: - "The drains throughout the town of Liskeard depend entirely upon rainfall for the smallest process of cleansing. Nearly all the water used among the many hundreds, or rather thousands of people, is required to be carried in buckets from the two or three public wells to the higher parts of the place." This explains all. Water is knocking at their doors, and health also, but in these respects the minds of Liskeard people remain as stagnant as their pools. . I am, Sir, your most obedient servant, W. RENDLE, Medical Officer of Health St. George's, Southward, Sept. 6 ................................................................................................. THE GOLD MINES AT FRAZER’S RIVER - We have received the following from a Cornishman, dated “Oregon City, 23rd July, 1858 - Sir - Being an old subscriber to your paper, and a well wisher of the same, I took the liberty of forwarding you some Oregon papers by the last mail, containing the latest and most reliable information respecting the new gold mines at Frazer's River, situate on the boundary of this territory, in the British possessions, N.W. of Lake Superior, west of Canada, in 50 degs. and 51 degs. North latitude. . The richness and extent of these mines is now fully established beyond doubt, and they are causing a deal of excitement in this country and California. Thousands have already started for the diggings, and have every prospect of being well repaid. My business will not permit me to become one amongst them, however much I might desire it. . It is a very healthy country, and inhabited by various tribes of friendly Indians, who have obtained the principal part of their living for several years past by trading in skins, furs, &c., with the Hudson’s Bay company, who are the only white people inhabiting the possessions. As it always is with new mines, provisions and supplies have risen to very high prices, but this will soon be regulated by the well stocked markets of Oregon and California as soon as the first rush and excitement is over. My opinion is that Cornish miners would do well to come out, and to the speculating capitalist, I would say, that such as could send out small companies (or large either), will find it very profitable. . The gold now found is all "surface diggings," but the principal gold beds are supposed to lie pretty deep, and consequently will require practical miners to work them to advantage. Thousands that are gone from this part of the country, know little or nothing of mining. Specimens of the gold have been received by several parties in this city; it is very fine in quality, but middling coarse in form. . The most desirable route would be to round the Horn, but the most expeditious would be to Southampton, via Chagres, and across Panama. By the latter route the trip would be made in about six weeks; but the former would occupy from four to five months. Vancouver's Island is a very thriving place, and is one of the most desirable spots on the Pacific both for grazing and agriculture. Victoria is now a large town, and growing up rapidly; it is situate about fifty miles from the mouth of Frazer's River. . I am a native of Brea, in the parish of Illogen, and a well wisher of my country and countrymen. . Yours truly, ABEL EUDEY Julia M.   West Briton Transcriptions, 1836-1856 at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad St. Austell Area History and Genealogy at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell

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