I had the same problem for one of my ancestors as you, for the John Eustice. What I finely used was the family naming pattern that was widely used for quite a long time in England. It worked for me as I had 3 different baptisms with the same name with in a few months of each other. I received this from the Devon list 14 years ago and have used it several times. this is how it went 1st son = father's father 2nd son = mother's father 3rd son = father 4th son = father's 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother 1st daughter = mother's mother 2nd daughter = father's mother 3rd daughter = mother 4th daughter = mother's oldest sister 5th daughter = mother's 2nd oldest sister or father's oldest sister Hope this might help you solve the problem. Diane in Wisconsin On 6/10/2015 10:00 PM, Kate Cunningham via wrote: > Hoping someone on the list has hit the same problem or can point me in the > right direction. > > > > BACK STORY: > > > > I have the slightly unusual situation where I have Alice EDWARDS ch: 31 May > 1835 in Gwinear (under the name of EDMONDS) with parents William EDWARDS and > Grace JONES. I can now trace this line a further 5 generations in the > general Cambourne area. > > > > Now Alice EDWARDS went to South Australia with her father, step-mother and > half brother and sister in 1847. She married John Lushman 1852 they have one > daughter B. 1854 and John dies 1855. > > > > Alice remarries 19 Jan 1856 to William EDWARDS. > > > > Now I've finally managed to find where William came from and it's Camborne. > > > > William ch: 9 Oct 1837 Camborne with parents Thomas EDWARDS and Elizabeth > EUSTACE/EUSTICE. > > > > Found Thomas EDWARDS ch: 22 Mar 1795 Camborne parents Thomas EDWARDS and > Jenefer but the only marriage I can find is for Thomas to a Jane ROUGH but > all 6 children have Thomas and Jenefer on christening records. > > > > Can anyone suggest where I could try to find out Jane/Jenefer's name? I can > t find any christening for either. > > > > I have tried the OPC and Cornwall FHS (I'm a member)....but can't seem to > narrow it down. > > > > The other one I'm stuck on is the father of Elizabeth EUSTICE who I found to > be John EUSTICE who married Mary GOLDSWORTHY 1783 Camborne........I have > found at least 5 John Eustice's in the general area all christened within a > 5 year period. How do I work out which one is correct? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kate Cunningham > > in bleak and cold Wellington NZ > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carolyn, the OPC site shows the dates on the parish registers. Before the introduction of the Gregorian calendar, dates in January, February and most of March would have been at the end of the year rather than at the beginning as they are today. Before 1752, the new year began on 25 March, not 1 January. You have three options for recording January-February-March dates before then: old calendar date - 15 Jan 1720 (OPC style) new calendar date - 15 Jan 1721 both dates - 15 Jan 1720/21 Bob Bolitho On 13/06/2015 6:59 AM, Carolyn Haines via wrote: > HI, Why are the dates a year off between the CFHS and OPC site and which one > is correct? > > I have noticed this for a few years but am finally asking the question. > > Thanks I really do want to know which one is right and why one is different. > > > > Carolyn Haines > > Holt, Michigan 48842 >

Hello, Kate (from bleak - but probably not quite so cold Waikanae - and originally from Wadestown) Back in "the day" - c1997 and the early days of this List - I had the identical query, having identified my 3x gt-grandmother as Jane EADE, but having found the baptism of a Jenepher / Jenifer, in the correct year and parish (St Agnes) as the only possible contender. The evidence I have gathered - from census, church and civil records, as well as private family letters discovered in America - leaves me in no doubt that Jane and Jenifer / Jen*pher are indeed one and the same person. In fact the baptism record is the only time she appears with her "formal" name. Thereafter she was always Jane. Not only in her case, but with some of her cousins of the same names, I have found proof that the names were interchangeable within the wider family. Cornwall & Cornish-Gen list members of the day advised me that this was so, and having gathered plety of evidence over the ensuing 18 years or so, I can happily accept this as a fact. Hope the wind doesn't keep you awake tonight. It seems to have subsided, here! Kind regards Blanche Charles Kapiti Coast, NZ Kate Cunningham <katecunningham@clear.net.nz>, > in bleak and cold Wellington NZ, wrote: I?was advised a few weeks ago on the Moyle facebook page that Jenefer, Jennifer and Jane can be used interchangeably. I had the same issue with Jenipher and Jane first name. Hoping someone on the list has hit the same problem or can point me in the right direction.

thanks Bob I should have remembered that. > Carolyn, the OPC site shows the dates on the parish registers. Before > the introduction of the Gregorian calendar, dates in January, > February and most of March would have been at the end of the year > rather than at the beginning as they are today. Before 1752, the new > year began on 25 March, not 1 January. > > You have three options for recording January-February-March dates > before then: > old calendar date - 15 Jan 1720 (OPC style) > new calendar date - 15 Jan 1721 > both dates - 15 Jan 1720/21 > > Bob Bolitho > > On 13/06/2015 6:59 AM, Carolyn Haines via wrote: >> HI, Why are the dates a year off between the CFHS and OPC site and which one >> is correct? >> >> I have noticed this for a few years but am finally asking the question. >> >> Thanks I really do want to know which one is right and why one is different. >> >>  Carolyn Haines >> >> Holt, Michigan 48842 >> > >   Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842

HI, Why are the dates a year off between the CFHS and OPC site and which one is correct? I have noticed this for a few years but am finally asking the question. Thanks I really do want to know which one is right and why one is different. Carolyn Haines Holt, Michigan 48842

I am afraid there is no easy answer. As a serious researcher, the only way is to research all the John Eustice(s) and eliminate by burials/marriages those that are not "yours". It is frustrating and time-consuming, as I well know! I have Eustice in my family tree but that branch is from Crowan, Cornwall. Joyce Harris, Salisbury, UK Sent from my iPad > On 11 Jun 2015, at 14:50, john Hogg via <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Just pick one and declare him the father > > I am sure someone will correct you. > > >> >> >> The other one I'm stuck on is the father of Elizabeth EUSTICE who I >> found to be John EUSTICE who married Mary GOLDSWORTHY 1783 >> Camborne........I have found at least 5 John Eustice's in the general >> area all christened within a >> 5 year period. How do I work out which one is correct? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Kate Cunningham >> >> in bleak and cold Wellington NZ >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Carolyn Haines > Holt, MI 48842 > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hoping someone on the list has hit the same problem or can point me in the right direction. BACK STORY: I have the slightly unusual situation where I have Alice EDWARDS ch: 31 May 1835 in Gwinear (under the name of EDMONDS) with parents William EDWARDS and Grace JONES. I can now trace this line a further 5 generations in the general Cambourne area. Now Alice EDWARDS went to South Australia with her father, step-mother and half brother and sister in 1847. She married John Lushman 1852 they have one daughter B. 1854 and John dies 1855. Alice remarries 19 Jan 1856 to William EDWARDS. Now I've finally managed to find where William came from and it's Camborne. William ch: 9 Oct 1837 Camborne with parents Thomas EDWARDS and Elizabeth EUSTACE/EUSTICE. Found Thomas EDWARDS ch: 22 Mar 1795 Camborne parents Thomas EDWARDS and Jenefer but the only marriage I can find is for Thomas to a Jane ROUGH but all 6 children have Thomas and Jenefer on christening records. Can anyone suggest where I could try to find out Jane/Jenefer's name? I can t find any christening for either. I have tried the OPC and Cornwall FHS (I'm a member)....but can't seem to narrow it down. The other one I'm stuck on is the father of Elizabeth EUSTICE who I found to be John EUSTICE who married Mary GOLDSWORTHY 1783 Camborne........I have found at least 5 John Eustice's in the general area all christened within a 5 year period. How do I work out which one is correct? Cheers, Kate Cunningham in bleak and cold Wellington NZ

Just pick one and declare him the father I am sure someone will correct you. > > > The other one I'm stuck on is the father of Elizabeth EUSTICE who I > found to be John EUSTICE who married Mary GOLDSWORTHY 1783 > Camborne........I have found at least 5 John Eustice's in the general > area all christened within a > 5 year period. How do I work out which one is correct? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kate Cunningham > > in bleak and cold Wellington NZ > ------------------------------- > Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842 ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was advised a few weeks ago on the Moyle facebook page that Jenefer, Jennifer and Jane can be used interchangeably. I had the same issue with Jenipher and Jane first name. > Hoping someone on the list has hit the same problem or can point me in the > right direction. > > > > BACK STORY: > > > > I have the slightly unusual situation where I have Alice EDWARDS ch: 31 May > 1835 in Gwinear (under the name of EDMONDS) with parents William EDWARDS and > Grace JONES. I can now trace this line a further 5 generations in the > general Cambourne area. > > > > Now Alice EDWARDS went to South Australia with her father, step-mother and > half brother and sister in 1847. She married John Lushman 1852 they have one > daughter B. 1854 and John dies 1855. > > > > Alice remarries 19 Jan 1856 to William EDWARDS. > > > > Now I've finally managed to find where William came from and it's Camborne. > > > > William ch: 9 Oct 1837 Camborne with parents Thomas EDWARDS and Elizabeth > EUSTACE/EUSTICE. > > > > Found Thomas EDWARDS ch: 22 Mar 1795 Camborne parents Thomas EDWARDS and > Jenefer but the only marriage I can find is for Thomas to a Jane ROUGH but > all 6 children have Thomas and Jenefer on christening records. > > > > Can anyone suggest where I could try to find out Jane/Jenefer's name? I can > t find any christening for either. > > > > I have tried the OPC and Cornwall FHS (I'm a member)....but can't seem to > narrow it down. > > > > The other one I'm stuck on is the father of Elizabeth EUSTICE who I found to > be John EUSTICE who married Mary GOLDSWORTHY 1783 Camborne........I have > found at least 5 John Eustice's in the general area all christened within a > 5 year period. How do I work out which one is correct? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kate Cunningham > > in bleak and cold Wellington NZ > ------------------------------- > Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842

Hi Wesley, I had a look Cornwall OPC database and found the following entries. They may or may not be connected to your family and will need further research to confirm - John Ceame and Anne Hoare married 02 Apr 1627 in St. Austell. John was buried 09 Dec 1672 in St. Austell, son of Matilda. Honour Helyer nee Came/Caim/Ceame was buried 03 Feb 1686 in Liskeard. Henry Helyer/Hellier remarried Elizabeth Marke 20 Feb 1688 in St. Cleer. Elizabeth Helyer nee Marke was buried 08 Jun 1694 in Liskeard. Henry Helyer was buried 21 Jul 1696 in Liskeard. Richard Penhallow, son of Richard, Gent, Decd.was buried 18 Jan 1685 in Liskeard. Mrs. Honor Penhallow (wid) married Benjamin Berry 02 May 1687 in Liskeard. Mrs. Honour Berry was buried 14 Jul 1749 in Liskeard. Eliz Oliver, daughter of Hen., was buried 13 Mar 1724 in Liskeard. John Marke was buried 27 Dec 1705 in Liskeard, Gent. Margret Marke married Peter Sampson 02 Jun 1711 in Liskeard. Margret Sampson wife of Peter was buried 04 Mar 1721. Hope it helps, Jen. ----- Original Message ----- On: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 Wesley Johnston wrote: Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Henry and Honor Hellyer - Liskeard 1679` >I am working on a transcription of the 1679 will of Anne (Hore) Came of St. >Austell. I had been hoping to trace some of her descendants, and she is >particularly thorough on the family of "my daughter Honor Hellyer wife of >Henry Hellyer of Liskeard" who she designated as co-administrator of her >will. Anne left 100 pound to her granddaughter Elizabeth Hellyer and 60 >pounds each to her granddaughters Honor and Margarett Hellyer. (The >spelling of Honor in the vast majority of records is as Honor and not the >later Frankified Honour now used as the official spelling.) > I had thought that with so many named family members that I could find > records of this family and trace some descendants. And there are indeed > marriages at Liskeard for an Honour (14 Sep 1684 with Richard Penhallow), > an Elizabeth (7 Feb 1687 with William Oliver) and Margarett (9 Jul 1693 > with John Marke). But these records apparently no longer exist in the > original and are from transcriptions by Thomas Jago (see > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12053-25893-28), and all of > them identify the bride with "Mris" which I initially assumed was the same > as "Mrs.". But now I am not really sure what Thomas Jago meant by "Mris" > because I think that all three of these brides were the spinster daughters > of Henry and Honor Hellyer. > Does anyone have any insight into what Thomas Jago may have meant by > "Mris"? > Wesley Johnston > PS ... here is the page with Jago's 1693 transcription of Margarett's > marriage, so that you can see the "Mris" in context: > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12053-25740-44

Thanks to those who have replied online and directly about the "Mris". And thanks to Jenny for the list below. I need to account, carefully, for every one of those. The old minimalist records can lead to error. For example, the John who was buried 9 Dec 1672, son of Matilda, was not the same John who married Anne Hoare in 1627. In fact, thanks to the details in the wills and to finding other records with the surname mis-transcribed, I am now confident that the 1672-buried John was the 17 year old son of John and Anne's son Andrew and his wife Matilda -- thus the grandson of Anne Hoare and not her husband. The wills are extremely helpful in clarifying the relationships. My New Zealand cousin Ron Keam made the transcriptions about 25 years ago. From: Jenny Meadows <jenny@toptensoftware.com> To: Wesley Johnston <wwjohnston01@yahoo.com>; cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Henry and Honor Hellyer - Liskeard 1679` Hi Wesley, I had a look Cornwall OPC database and found the following entries. They may or may not be connected to your family and will need further research to confirm - John Ceame and Anne Hoare married 02 Apr 1627 in St. Austell. John was buried 09 Dec 1672 in St. Austell, son of Matilda. Honour Helyer nee Came/Caim/Ceame was buried 03 Feb 1686 in Liskeard. Henry Helyer/Hellier remarried Elizabeth Marke 20 Feb 1688 in St. Cleer. Elizabeth Helyer nee Marke was buried 08 Jun 1694 in Liskeard. Henry Helyer was buried 21 Jul 1696 in Liskeard. Richard Penhallow, son of Richard, Gent, Decd.was buried 18 Jan 1685 in Liskeard. Mrs. Honor Penhallow (wid) married Benjamin Berry 02 May 1687 in Liskeard. Mrs. Honour Berry was buried 14 Jul 1749 in Liskeard. Eliz Oliver, daughter of Hen., was buried 13 Mar 1724 in Liskeard. John Marke was buried 27 Dec 1705 in Liskeard, Gent. Margret Marke married Peter Sampson 02 Jun 1711 in Liskeard. Margret Sampson wife of Peter was buried 04 Mar 1721. Hope it helps, Jen. ----- Original Message ----- On: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 Wesley Johnston wrote: Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Henry and Honor Hellyer - Liskeard 1679` >I am working on a transcription of the 1679 will of Anne (Hore) Came of St. >Austell. I had been hoping to trace some of her descendants, and she is >particularly thorough on the family of "my daughter Honor Hellyer wife of >Henry Hellyer of Liskeard" who she designated as co-administrator of her >will. Anne left 100 pound to her granddaughter Elizabeth Hellyer and 60 >pounds each to her granddaughters Honor and Margarett Hellyer. (The >spelling of Honor in the vast majority of records is as Honor and not the >later Frankified Honour now used as the official spelling.) > I had thought that with so many named family members that I could find > records of this family and trace some descendants. And there are indeed > marriages at Liskeard for an Honour (14 Sep 1684 with Richard Penhallow), > an Elizabeth (7 Feb 1687 with William Oliver) and Margarett (9 Jul 1693 > with John Marke). But these records apparently no longer exist in the > original and are from transcriptions by Thomas Jago (see > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12053-25893-28), and all of > them identify the bride with "Mris" which I initially assumed was the same > as "Mrs.". But now I am not really sure what Thomas Jago meant by "Mris" > because I think that all three of these brides were the spinster daughters > of Henry and Honor Hellyer. > Does anyone have any insight into what Thomas Jago may have meant by > "Mris"? > Wesley Johnston > PS ... here is the page with Jago's 1693 transcription of Margarett's > marriage, so that you can see the "Mris" in context: > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12053-25740-44

Hello Wesley, The consensus on a Google search seems to be that Mris is an abbreviation for Mistress. An example on a Rootsweb message board can be found on the link http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OLD-ENGLISH/2001-12/1007226242 Regards Dick Richards Sent from Dick's iPad > On 9 Jun 2015, at 15:06, "Wesley Johnston via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I am working on a transcription of the 1679 will of Anne (Hore) Came of St. Austell. I had been hoping to trace some of her descendants, and she is particularly thorough on the family of "my daughter Honor Hellyer wife of Henry Hellyer of Liskeard" who she designated as co-administrator of her will. Anne left 100 pound to her granddaughter Elizabeth Hellyer and 60 pounds each to her granddaughters Honor and Margarett Hellyer. (The spelling of Honor in the vast majority of records is as Honor and not the later Frankified Honour now used as the official spelling.) > I had thought that with so many named family members that I could find records of this family and trace some descendants. And there are indeed marriages at Liskeard for an Honour (14 Sep 1684 with Richard Penhallow), an Elizabeth (7 Feb 1687 with William Oliver) and Margarett (9 Jul 1693 with John Marke). But these records apparently no longer exist in the original and are from transcriptions by Thomas Jago (see https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12053-25893-28), and all of them identify the bride with "Mris" which I initially assumed was the same as "Mrs.". But now I am not really sure what Thomas Jago meant by "Mris" because I think that all three of these brides were the spinster daughters of Henry and Honor Hellyer. > Does anyone have any insight into what Thomas Jago may have meant by "Mris"? > Wesley Johnston > PS ... here is the page with Jago's 1693 transcription of Margarett's marriage, so that you can see the "Mris" in context: > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12053-25740-44 > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am working on a transcription of the 1679 will of Anne (Hore) Came of St. Austell. I had been hoping to trace some of her descendants, and she is particularly thorough on the family of "my daughter Honor Hellyer wife of Henry Hellyer of Liskeard" who she designated as co-administrator of her will. Anne left 100 pound to her granddaughter Elizabeth Hellyer and 60 pounds each to her granddaughters Honor and Margarett Hellyer. (The spelling of Honor in the vast majority of records is as Honor and not the later Frankified Honour now used as the official spelling.) I had thought that with so many named family members that I could find records of this family and trace some descendants. And there are indeed marriages at Liskeard for an Honour (14 Sep 1684 with Richard Penhallow), an Elizabeth (7 Feb 1687 with William Oliver) and Margarett (9 Jul 1693 with John Marke). But these records apparently no longer exist in the original and are from transcriptions by Thomas Jago (see https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12053-25893-28), and all of them identify the bride with "Mris" which I initially assumed was the same as "Mrs.". But now I am not really sure what Thomas Jago meant by "Mris" because I think that all three of these brides were the spinster daughters of Henry and Honor Hellyer. Does anyone have any insight into what Thomas Jago may have meant by "Mris"?     Wesley Johnston PS ... here is the page with Jago's 1693 transcription of Margarett's marriage, so that you can see the "Mris" in context:     https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12053-25740-44  

Hi Horton, I think there may be 2 Jenepher/Jane BROKENSHIRE's in the same area during the same time period. The OPC database lists the baptism in Roche on February 6, 1814 of Samuel Brenton BROKENSHIRE, son of the widowed Jenepher BROKENSHIRE of Belovely, Roche. There is a bastardy bond for 1813 for the pending birth of Samuel Brenton BROCKENSHIRE in Roche. http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Records/parishes/Q-T/roche_bastardy_brokenshire_1813.php The father was Samuel BRENTON and his father was Henry. The bond states that Jane BROKENSHIRE was a single woman of St Wenn. I think it's odd that it doesn't say widow, if this was in fact your Jane, and that the child would be chargeable to the parish of Roche (overseers of the poor) when she was in and of St Wenn. She also would have been the mother of 10 year old William BROCKENSHAR (1803) and 7 year old John BROCKENSHIRE (1806), assuming they lived, the sons of Edward. The apprenticeship indentures for Roche do not include these two sons, so if Jane was a pauper, who was paying for them? Your Jane BROKENSHIRE (aged 65-69) and Samuel (age 25-29) were at Tregonetha, St Wenn in the 1841 census. Her occupation was listed as "independent" (which usually meant at least financially solvent, if not independently wealthy). Samuel was an agricultural labourer. His age at the census suggests a birth year between 1812 and 1816, so it certainly could be the same Samuel. Tregonetha is the residence given with the St Wenn burial on January 20, 1845 of Jane BROKENSHIRE, aged 64. Another Jane BROKENSHIRE was buried in Roche, also in 1845: on July 14, 1845, at the age of 65. Her residence was Church Town, Roche. In the 1841 census she appeared as the widowed Jane HIGGANS (aged 60-64) in Churchtown, Roche. With her was a 3 year old Jane BROKENSHIRE. That child was baptised in Roche on April 13, 1838, the daughter of William BROKENSHIRE (labourer, of Churchtown) and Ann. William BROKENSHIRE married Ann DYER in Roche on April 4, 1829. Their other children were Mary Ann (1830), John (1832), James (1834), Thomas (1834), William (1836), Ann (1837), Mark (1841),William Dyer (1843), all baptised in Roche. In the 1841 census, William (34) & Ann (37) were a couple of houses away from Jane HIGGANS in Churchtown, Roche with Mary Ann (11), John (9), James (7), William (5) and Mark (4 months). By the 1851 census, Jane BROCKENSHIRE was back with her parents and brothers. On February 15, 1833, a John HIGGANS of Roche, married Philippa BROKENSHIRE (of St Columb Major) at St Columb Major. On November 9, 1837, a Jane BROKENSHIRE alias HIGGINS of Churchtown, aged 19, was buried in Roche. I think she may have been Jane HIGGINS, baptised May 17, 1818, daughter of John & Jane, of Belovely Downs, Roche. That was the same place where Jane BROKENSHIRE was living when Samuel Brenton BROKENSHIRE was baptised in 1814. There seems to be some mixing and mingling of the surnames BROKENSHIRE and HIGGINS in Roche, and the bastardy bond (and baptismal note) suggest that the mother of Samuel Brenton BROKENSHIRE was impoverished. Your Jane was well off in 1841, and would have been in her late 30's or early 40's in 1814 when he was born. Unfortunately the 1841 census did not state the relationships between people in the household, but I suspect that your Jane was not Samuel's mother, but an aunt (natural or by marriage) or other relation, and that his mother was a considerably younger woman, perhaps a teenager, and that "widow" was a courtesy title. The only Samuel BRENTON (son of Henry) that I can find in St Wenn seems to have been born in the late 1790's, making him a teenager when his child was born in Roche. Hope this helps and doesn't add to the confusion! Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bolitho via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> To: "Cornish Email" <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 2:49 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Brokenshire and Edyvean of St Wenn > Hello list; William BROKENSHIRE married Jane EDYVEAN at St Wenn on Feb 2nd > 180 with son William baptised on September 25th that year. I believe Jane > to > be daughter of Thomas Edyvean and Grace baptised on August 1st 1779 at St > Minver. After Edward's death in 1812 Jane had a son Samuel in 1814, > described as a "pauper of Belovely in this parish". She was buried at St > Wenn on January 20th 1845 with her age given as 64, which seems near > enough. > I have the will of a Thomas Edyvean of St Minver proved 29th June 1776. > his > principal beneficiary and executor was his son Thomas. Thomas son of > Thomas > and Jane Edyvean was baptised at St Minver on May 6th 1750. Both > Thomaseshad > a daughter Phillipa. ihope I am right on this, but the first Thomas seems > a > bit wealthy compared to Jane's state 40 years later. > > Regarding Edward Brokenshire, I have never been sure of his parents. It > seems likely they were richard Brokenshire and Joan Harper, baptised > in1760. > Can anyone confirm these for me, please? REgards, Horton B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello list; William BROKENSHIRE married Jane EDYVEAN at St Wenn on Feb 2nd 180 with son William baptised on September 25th that year. I believe Jane to be daughter of Thomas Edyvean and Grace baptised on August 1st 1779 at St Minver. After Edward's death in 1812 Jane had a son Samuel in 1814, described as a "pauper of Belovely in this parish". She was buried at St Wenn on January 20th 1845 with her age given as 64, which seems near enough. I have the will of a Thomas Edyvean of St Minver proved 29th June 1776. his principal beneficiary and executor was his son Thomas. Thomas son of Thomas and Jane Edyvean was baptised at St Minver on May 6th 1750. Both Thomaseshad a daughter Phillipa. ihope I am right on this, but the first Thomas seems a bit wealthy compared to Jane's state 40 years later. Regarding Edward Brokenshire, I have never been sure of his parents. It seems likely they were richard Brokenshire and Joan Harper, baptised in1760. Can anyone confirm these for me, please? REgards, Horton B

Thank you Bill, I will continue on with my search! > Caroline, > > In my opinion, William's first wife was Catherine MAJOR, whom he > married at St. Ives on 31 Jul 1776.  They had five children - Ann > (1777), Richard (1779), Frances (1781), Elizabeth (1784), and William > (1785).  I believe his wife was the Catharine SIMMONS, 43, "of this > parish," who was buried at St. Ives on 15 Oct 1786.  The widowed > William then married Elizabeth HOCKING at St. Ives on 23 Dec 1787, > and they had at least four children - Catherine (1788), Eleanor > (1794), John (1797), and John (1800).  As often happened, the first > daughter of the second marriage was given the name of the first wife. > > SEMMENS is a challenging surname because of all the Se-, Si-, and Sy- > variant spellings! > > > Bill Curnow > Port Charlotte, FL, USA > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Haines via" > <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > To: <cornish-gen-l@rootsweb.com>; <CORNISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:17 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] William SEMENS (SEMMENS) and Elizabeth HOCKING > > >> HI, Good Morning. >> >> Last night while working on my tree I discovered an error in parents for >> Catherine Semmens born 26-SEP-1788 and baptized >> >> 01 Feb 1789. William Semmens and Elisabeth are listed as parents in St. >> Ives. These are the correct parents.  Tracing back to their marriage 23 Dec >> 1787, St. Ives William is listed as a widower. >> >> I cannot find a wife for him that died before 1787. Wondering if anyone has >> any ideas? I printed out the burials for both Semens and Semmens and the >> marriages for the same and I cannot seem to find proof or else I am missing >> something somewhere. I am using the opc site. >> >> Thank you in advance for advice. >> >> >> >> Carolyn Haines >> >> Holt, Michigan 48842 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >   Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842

Caroline, In my opinion, William's first wife was Catherine MAJOR, whom he married at St. Ives on 31 Jul 1776. They had five children - Ann (1777), Richard (1779), Frances (1781), Elizabeth (1784), and William (1785). I believe his wife was the Catharine SIMMONS, 43, "of this parish," who was buried at St. Ives on 15 Oct 1786. The widowed William then married Elizabeth HOCKING at St. Ives on 23 Dec 1787, and they had at least four children - Catherine (1788), Eleanor (1794), John (1797), and John (1800). As often happened, the first daughter of the second marriage was given the name of the first wife. SEMMENS is a challenging surname because of all the Se-, Si-, and Sy- variant spellings! Bill Curnow Port Charlotte, FL, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Haines via" <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> To: <cornish-gen-l@rootsweb.com>; <CORNISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:17 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] William SEMENS (SEMMENS) and Elizabeth HOCKING > HI, Good Morning. > > Last night while working on my tree I discovered an error in parents for > Catherine Semmens born 26-SEP-1788 and baptized > > 01 Feb 1789. William Semmens and Elisabeth are listed as parents in St. > Ives. These are the correct parents. Tracing back to their marriage 23 > Dec > 1787, St. Ives William is listed as a widower. > > I cannot find a wife for him that died before 1787. Wondering if anyone > has > any ideas? I printed out the burials for both Semens and Semmens and the > marriages for the same and I cannot seem to find proof or else I am > missing > something somewhere. I am using the opc site. > > Thank you in advance for advice. > > > > Carolyn Haines > > Holt, Michigan 48842 > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI, Good Morning. Last night while working on my tree I discovered an error in parents for Catherine Semmens born 26-SEP-1788 and baptized 01 Feb 1789. William Semmens and Elisabeth are listed as parents in St. Ives. These are the correct parents. Tracing back to their marriage 23 Dec 1787, St. Ives William is listed as a widower. I cannot find a wife for him that died before 1787. Wondering if anyone has any ideas? I printed out the burials for both Semens and Semmens and the marriages for the same and I cannot seem to find proof or else I am missing something somewhere. I am using the opc site. Thank you in advance for advice. Carolyn Haines Holt, Michigan 48842

Hello list, my 2xgreat grandfather James Bolitho married Mary the daughter of William and Anne Lawry. Anne died in 1842. I have no firm baptism for William I balieve he was the son of Hugh Lawry baptised on 20 November 1763. Is there any other candidate? Was Hugh's wife Bathsheba Warren? I have no confirmation of any of this. Also can anyone give date for William's death? It's funny how some items just elude you on this game. Cheers for now, Horton in his sunny front room

Many Cornish parish records have been transcribed and can be found on the Cornwall OPC database: http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/ I couldn't see John's baptism in the Cornwall OPC database although several baptisms of William and Jane Baglow's children do appear at St Mabyn between 1835 and 1851 (various spellings of Baglow). There is a birth registration indexed on FreeBMD but the only way to obtain the details is to purchase the birth certificate from the GRO. Birth: BEGOLOW John, Bodmin registration district, Sep quarter 1841 Bodmin is the registration district for St Mabyn. Obtaining the birth certificate will confirm whether his parents were William Baglow and Jane Wills. All of the Cornwall census returns between 1841 and 1891 are available on http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl In 1851 John is a servant at Paul's Ground, St Mabyn for Joseph West farmer. William Baglow is a widower aged 44, born Davidstow and he has children William, Elizabeth. Richard W, and Lovedy living with him and there is a visitor, Jane Shovel, widow aged 42, born St Teath, with them. Jane Baglow, age 50, was buried at St Mabyn 14 Jan 1851. William Baglow, age 68, was buried at St Mabyn 15 Jan 1875. In 1841 William and Jane are living at Kellypark, St Mabyn with children Mary aged 4 and William aged 2 and Ann Baglow aged 20 is with them. There is a baptism at Minster 09 Jan 1814 - William BAGLA son of John and Jenny. Minster borders Davidstow which is the birthplace given by William on the 1851 census. Although this is later than William's age on the census returns and his burial record, he may have been baptised as a small child rather than as a baby. John and Jenny also baptised a child, Ann, at Blisland in 1820 and this could be the Ann listed in William's household in 1841. On the 1851 census there is a John Baglow aged 76, born Hartland, Devon living at St Mabyn. In 1832 John Bagalow married Margaret Jenkin at St Mabyn and this could be the second marriage you refer to. There is a baptism at Hartland, Devon: John Baghilhole 31 Dec 1780, mother Loveday. No father named. There is a baptism at Hartland 30 Mar 1750 Loveday Baghilol, parents William and Elizabeth. William Baghilol married Elizabeth Wakely 14 Jan 1749 at Hartland. There is a tree on Rootsweb World Connect which includes Loveday Baghilol of Hartland http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=meb1968&id=64493060 Regards, Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Date : 15/05/2015 - 09:18 (GMTST) To : CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject : [CORNISH-GEN] BAGLOW of St Mabyn I have recently started to do some work on my son-in-law’s family tree .His father has done a lot and has published a delightful book but of course it cannot be illustrated as a tree by this means. I have been into genealogy since 1954 and am trying to copy the data into my FTM. Lack of mobility ( I am 83) gives rise to some difficulty and I should be grateful for any help available particularly if there is anyone with a Baglow family interest. My own tree goes from Dumfries to Kent but does not go any further west than Weston-super-Mare so Cornwall is untrodden until now . I have had some suggestions from the Bodmin list which are useful However some "wise !"American academic suggested that I look in Ancestry which I did find rather hilarious!!?! The branch of the family that concerns me goes back to a John Baglow born in 1841 at St Mabyn. He seems to have left home, possibly having fallen out with his dad, and gone to Aldershot as a private in the hospital corps. His marriage certificate to Sarah Hayward (born. Dover) gives his father as William and there is a marriage at St Mabyn in 1834 of William and Jane WILLS which is probably relevant. He seems to have been one of 7.children.The book then suggests a John Baglow who married and Jennifer Chapman m. Egloshayle 1807. John seems to have married again about 1832 in St Mabyn. Further back a Loveday Bagelhole of Hartland is mentioned and further back still there is some rather vague and unconfirmed data Any info would be gratefully received DrGeneal ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message