----- Original Message ----- From: Glynis To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: BIBLE CHRISTIAN SUNDAY SCHOOL Hi Rita, I have just looked at your website links and see that you are a Co-transcriber and webmaster for Bible Christen Magazine. My decendanta come from Camborne and my gt gt grandfather William COCK was a Superintendent in and around 1903 for the Bible Christian Sunday School in Camborne. I have two books in my possession presented to my grandfather William James COCK called "One and All" a autobiography of Sir Richard TANGYE and another book "The Swiss Family Robinson" which was presented by the Bible Christian Sunday School to him. I also have a book on Billy BRAY by F.W. BOURNE called "The King's Son", A memoir of Billy BRAY" When my COCK family came out to South Africa in the early 1920's they still had very strong connections with the family back in Camborne. They brought these books and others out which I eventually inherited. My father was born in SA, his name was William Leslie Ernest COCK. His sister Dorothy Tremecna COCK received a book from "The United Methodist Church" in 1921, Trelowarren Street. If I go through the shelves in my home, I most probable will find other books from Cornwall. I have been lead to believe that William COCK (my gt gt grandfather) was also a Lay Preacher, but not sure when. When he died on 31 July 1931 - see write up: "Mr. COCK was also one of the first members of the Camborne Volunteer Fire Brigade which was formed many years ago under Capt. Joshia ROWE. He was connected with the old Bible Christian Chapel of which he filled many offices. Having been steward, Sunday school secretary and superintendent and a member of the choir for 60 years. When the Bible Christian Chapel closed down, he became associated with the Trelowarren Street U.M.F. Church. The funeral was conducted by the rector Rev. G.B. Hooper." When his wife Arabelle COCK (nee THOMAS) died (my gt gt grandmother) the notice in the paper was: "The FUNERAL OF Mrs ARABELLA COCK, aged 94 OF 27 VYVYAN STREET, CAMBORNE TOOK PLACE ON 18 SEPTEMBER 1936 AT THE Camborne Parish Churchyard. The Rev. A.A. Clinnick (curate) officiated." I also have more details on her obituary, who attended, bearers etc. Just thought I would share this with the list. Regards, Glynis MILLETT-CLAY (nee COCK) South Africa.

Hello Meli In the interest of accuracy, I have checked the Perranzabuloe Burial register for your WITHIEL family. The full details are: 1820: P 26 No. 201 Robert WITHIELL Chenhall Sept 25 73 yrs 1822: P 31 No. 247 Ann WITHIELL Trelask, St Cuthbert June 25 76 yrs The point to bear in mind is that the register lists *burials* not * deaths*, so - though it is not unknown for a burial to take place on the date of death (especially when a contagious illness was the cause) - it is most probable that both Robert and Ann would have died at least one day before the dates you have quoted as being for their deaths. I have checked the Perranzabuloe Baptism registers from 1809 - 1820 but there is no sign of any baptism for children of William PHILLIPS = Elizabeth WITHIEL. (Were they christened elsewhere, do you know - either in another parish or in a Nonconformist chapel, perhaps?) Having asked that question, I see from Perranzabuloe Marriages that William PHILLIPS was from Illogan, so perhaps they were there. I have also checked for Robert WITHIEL's marriage to Ann JOHNS but it did not take place in Perranzabuloe. I'm estimating it to have taken place c1770 or later, so have taken that year as a starting point to look for christenings of their children . There is no sign of any up to the end of 1778, which marks the end of the general register. Tragically, Perranzabuloe's baptism register for 1779 - 1812 has suffered what appears to be massive water damage, and baptisms from 1790 - 1802 are virtually lost to posterity, while those from 1784 - 1790 are partially legible. However, the first baptism I can find in Perranzabuloe for a child of Robert & Ann WITHIEL appears just before the water damage took hold: 1783 Phillippa d/o Robert & Ann WITHIELL 20 April (NB - this is a christening / baptism, not a birth date). I can't see any others up to 1790. I hope that you might find them in another parish! Regards Blanche Charles Wellington New Zealand OPC: St Allen, St Newlyn East, Perranzabuloe,Withiel http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/index.htm Cornwall Online Parish Clerks http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Meli" <melibob4@texasbb.com> wrote: <snipped> At Bebington, Chester, on the 13th instant, Mr. JOHN THOMAS, of Liverpool, to EDITH, youngest daughter of the late Mr. WILLIAM PHILLIPS, of Nance, in the parish of Illogan. I believe this to be EDITH WITHIEL PHILLIPS, daughter of WILLIAM PHILLIPS and his wife ELIZABETH WITHIEL who married 16 Feb 1809 in Perranzabuloe. My great great grandfather was Edith's older brother HUGH PHILLIPS who had immigrated to Wisconsin in 1846 with his wife ELIZABETH DONNITHORNE. Also am interested in learning more about ELIZABETH WITHIEL PHILLIPS. I have her parents as ROBERT WITHIEL, born abt 1747 in Cornwall and died 25 Sep 1820 in Perranzabuloe, and wife ANN JOHNS born about Abt. 1744 in Cornwall and died 25 Jun 1822 in Perranzabuloe. Their children might have been , in addition to my Elizabeth, GRACE, PHILLIPA, and ANN.

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER Quarter Sessions, part 2 WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 1, 1851  WILLIAM HILL, 19, was charged with stealing a powder flask, the property of GEORGE BISHOP. Mr. STOKES conducted the prosecution; the prisoner was undefended.  Prosecutor is a barge-man living at St. Kew. On the 5th of December he had a powder flask, which was then on a little shelf on his barge, which was lying at Tregorden quay, on the river Camel, in the parish of Egloshayle. Prosecutor went to his barge on the 9th of December, and found that his flask had been taken away. On the 10th he saw a man called BROAD, and also the prisoner. Prisoner had a gun, which he gave over to Broad, who fired it. Prosecutor saw prisoner reload the gun, for which purpose he took a flask from his pocket, which prosecutor recognized to be his. On going up and asking prisoner, he denied at first that he had any flask, he said he kept his powder in paper; but at last he produced one without a top. This prosecutor identified. It appeared, however, that there had been some compromise of the matter between prosecutor and prisoner, on condition that the latter would give back the top of the flask and come shot. It came out also that a boy called KENT had the top of the flask, and that he had since absconded, thus raising suspicion of his connexion with the affair. Verdict, Not Guilty. JOHN FLINN, junr. 19, was indicted for assaulting and putting in bodily fear JAMES HARRIS a miner, and with stealing from his person one shilling. Mr. HOCKIN for the prosecution, and Mr. STOKES for the prisoner. Prosecutor stated that he was a miner living at Zelah in St. Allen. He was at Truro on Saturday, the 19th of October, and about twelve o'clock at night went into a field behind the Ship Inn to relieve himself. Prisoner and four or five others came into the field. Prisoner came up to him and said, "Holloa, I have caught you now."  Prosecutor asked "what do you mean?"  Prisoner then swore, and said he would have money to have something to drink; he said if he did not have money he would kill prosecutor, and he then seized him by the collar. The other men were standing around. Prosecutor said he gave him a shilling through fear, and prisoner and the others ran away.  He followed and told what had happened to Serjeant HARE, of the Truro police, who apprehended prisoner, and found in his pocket a shilling and a penny; the policeman said that prisoner ran away when he saw him coming.   Mr. STOKEs cross-examined the prosecutor and elicited that he had been drinking at the Seven Stars Inn for some hours, he could not say how much he drank there, or at what time he left. He was afterwards  drinking at the New Inn, but could not say how many pints he had there, or at what time he left. From further cross-examination, it appeared that prosecutor was followed into the field by some females; he said that after he had given Flynn the shilling, the men and women ran away together; he also said he was not drunk at the time. Mr. Stokes submitted that the prosecutor's evidence could not be believed, because he had given a different account now from what he gave to Serjeant Hare at the time, with regard to his going into the field for an improper purpose. Then the man, having drank so much, how could it be supposed he could identify the person who committed the offence?   He said the prisoner was dressed the same then as he was now; and yet he could not tell how any of the others were dressed. But even if the prisoner obtained the money from the prosecutor, the latter gave it to him to get rid of him and the others because he was ashamed of being caught in the field by them for an improper purpose. The Chairman carefully summed up, and the jury after a short deliberation acquitted the prisoner. The Chairman, addressing Flynn, said "You are now discharged, but the Court is aware that you are a very bad fellow. I find no fault with the verdict but if it had gone otherwise, two prior convictions would have been proved against you. Let this induce you to abandon those companions who have led you, thus far, when you have had so very narrow an escape from severe punishment." THOMAS WELLINGTON and NANCY WELLINGTON were charged with stealing two gates, three poles, a tea-kettle, and door, the property of AJOHN GRIBBLE, of Perranarworthal. Mr. HOCKIN was for the prosecution, and MR. STOKES defended the prisoners. Prosecutor stated that he has a farm at Perranarworthal, and another in Perranzabuloe, and that on the 14th of November, he missed some oak poles and gates; he had missed a tea-kettle in March last, two chains in the summer, and a door in the spring. The case, however, against the prisoners was confined to the gates and the poles; though the teakettle and door were also found in a house in prisoners' occupation. There was evidence given by EDWARD MICHELL, constable, that the poles and gates were found in an outhouse belonging to prisoner, though there was no proof that he had placed there anything belonging to the prosecutor; there was, however, evidence given by a man called TAMBLYN, that he saw the female prisoner carry the gates into the outhouse; he also saw the poles standing up in the corner of the outhouse; she told witness she was going to cover in a pigs' house with the poles. MR. STOKES addressed the jury, and called JOHN JAMES and THOMAS MICHELL, van-owner, who gave the male prisoner a good character. The Chairman told the jury they must consider whether the wife had acted under the influence or constraint of the husband, for then he would be liable to answer for the felony, if it were proved. Otherwise they must consider whether she had acted independently of her husband. The jury Acquitted the male prisoner, but found Nancy Wellington Guilty. Two Months' hard labour. MARY BREWER, 26, was indicted for stealing a sovereign, half-sovereign, three half-crowns, two shillings and one sixpence, the property of JOSEPH SMITH, of Egloskerry. Prisoner is a gipsey, and this robbery was committed on the 5th of October by one of the usual "gipsey tricks". Smith was induced to place money in the female gipsey's hands, with the promise that it should be doubled, and as might be expected he was fleeced of his money. The prisoner  was taken and committed for trial, but was afterwards admitted to bail. ABRAHAM BREWER, who was the chief of the gipsey gang then in the neighbourhood, was bound over in GBP 40 as surety for the prisoner's appearance at the Sessions; the other sureties were JOSEPH SHORT, of Launceston, who became bound in GBP 20, and JOHN PEAK, draper, of Launceston, who also entered into his recognizance for GBP 20. The GBP 40, however, it appeared had been handed over to Mr. Peak and Mr. Short, so that they ran no risk of losing the money in the event of the prisoner not appearing. The officer of the court now called in the usual manner three times on the sureties to bring forth the body of MARY BREWER, or to forfeit their recognizances. The prisoner not being forthcoming, the recognizances were forfeited. SAMUEL  JENKIN pleaded guilty of stealing, in the parish of Northhill, three granite posts, the property of MR. FRANCIS RODD. Three Months' hard labour. JOHN SPURR, 17, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 24th of December, at Truro, a pair of women's boots, the property of CHARLES COURTIER. MARY ANN MAY, 21, was also charged with stealing the boots, and a second count charged her with receiving the same knowing them to have been stolen. Prosecutor said he is a shoe maker at Truro, and attends the market there. JOHN SPURR had been working for him for the last eighteen months. On the 24th of December, prosecutor was assorting some shoes for the Redruth market, and discovered that a pair of women's cloth boots and three or four pairs of shoes were missing, which he had seen on the Saturday previous. F. C. JAMES stated that on the 23rd of December, John Spurr came to his shop and offered to pledge a pair of women's boots; he said they were a pair he had made for a young person, but they had misfitted. Witness refused to take them in pledge, and he then took them away with him. On the following morning, the female prisoner came and offered to pledge a pair of women's boots, which appeared to witness to be the same boots as Spurr had brought to him the evening before. She said the shoes belonged to a young man, but she refused to tell his name. GEORGE PAINE, police inspector, stated that Spurr said to his master, as they were coming away from appearing before the magistrate, "for God's sake, master, forgive me."  The jury, however, did not consider the evidence conclusive against the female prisoner. Verdict, Not Guilty. Both prisoners, SPURR and MARY ANN MAY, were next indicted for stealing two pairs of boots, about the 13th of December, the property of Charles Courtier, and the female prisoner was also charged with receiving the same, knowing them to have been stolen. In this case the boots were offered by May in pledge to MRS. BEHENNA, but the court considered that the evidence was inconclusive against the prisoners, and they were both Acquitted. Spurr, for the first offence, of which he had pleaded Guilty, was sentenced to Six Months' Hard Labour. ELIZA NORTHEY, 16, and MARY ANN COOMBE, 29, were charged with stealing, on the 29th of November, some wood, the property of WILLIAM DOWNING.   MR. DARKE conducted the prosecution. The wood was stolen from a linhay in an orchard near Launceston. Verdict, both Guilty. A prior conviction for felony was also proved against each of the prisoners. Sentence, Northey, Eight Months' hard labour; Coombe, Six Months' hard  labour. COUNTY BUSINESS  LUNATIC ASYLUM - The CHAIRMAN said he had received by that morning's post, a letter signed R. W. S LUTWIDGE, Secretary, dated from the Office of the Commissioner's in Lunacy, 30 December, 1850, and addressed to the Chairman of the Quarter Session of the County of Cornwall. [The letter contained information that visiting commissioners and visitors had reported problems with the asylum; their letters were attached...][content of the letters was not printed.] The Chairman then read over the various documents and correspondence alluded to in the above letter, containing the allegations by the two lunacy commissioners, MR. CAMPBELL and Mr. TURNER, who visited the Asylum on the 16th of September, of evils in the administration of that institution; and the reply of the visiting committee. Mr. KENDALL, on behalf of the visiting committee, now addressed the Court in answer to the allegations of the visiting commissioners, taking them seriatim, and stated that they were unfounded in fact, either based on error or defective information. We shall publish next week the whole of the correspondence, and Mr. Kendall's speech. After consulting with the magistrates present (exclusive of the visiting committee of the asylum, who retired from the court), the Chairman said it was unfortunate that the letter from the commissioners had been mis-sent to Truro, and therefore had not reached him until the second day of the sessions, when there were very few magistrates present besides the members of the visiting committee. The Court could not therefore reply to the Commissioners' letter at any length these sessions, but must defer notice of it until the next sessions, when, if required, the matter would be taken into further consideration. TRIALS RESUMED  JOSIAH WASLEY and JOHN HENRY THOMAS, were indicted for stealing a gun, the property of WILLIAM FLOYD. Prosecutor is a blacksmith, in Kenwyn, and had the gun at his shop to repair on the 3rd of October. It was stolen from his shop in the night and on the 7th of October, the two prisoners being together near Blackwater, offered the gun for sale to WILLIAM DENNIS, a miner. It appeared, however, that Thomas had nothing to do with receiving the money for the gun. Thomas was Acquitted, but Wasley was found Guilty. Sentence, One Fortnight's Imprisonment, and to be Once privately whipped. JOHN MORRISH, 46, was committed on the 19th of November, for want of sureties in a breach of the peace towards MARIA MORRISH, his wife, of the parish of St. Columb Major. The wife said she did not wish to appear against her husband, but was desirous to have him discharged on his promising to conduct himself differently towards her. The Chairman cautioned the prisoner with regard to his future conduct; he promised to conduct himself better in future, and was then discharged. The Grand Jury were discharged by the Chairman this day about one o'clock, with the thanks of the county for their services. BILL IGNORED - The Grand Jury ignored the bill against RICHARD STEPHENS, charged with stealing, on the 20th of November, at Treffrys, in Linkinhorne, six sovereigns, the property of LYNEHAM RANDALL. APPEALS  St. Teath, appellant, MR. DARKE and MR. HAWKER; Bodmin respondent, Mr. SHILSON and MR. PRESTON WALLIS.  An appeal against an order by Mr. MUDGE and MR. WARD, justices, for the removal of BETSY TREMAIN, widow of ROBERT TREMAIN, and her four children, from the borough of Bodmin to the parish of St. Teath. Mr. DARKE stated that the appellants admitted a birth settlement of the pauper's late husband in St. Teath, but proposed to set up a subsequent settlement in Bodmin borough, by the renting of a tenement called Blowing-house, from Michaelmas 1843 to Michaelmas 1855, at a rental of GBP 10 and upwards, and by being assessed to, and having paid, poor rates during that time. At the conclusion of the appellant's case, Mr. SHILSON contended 1st, that there was not an occupation by  pauper's husband, of a separable and distinct tenement in the respondent parish; 2nd, that there was no proof that ROBERT TREMAIN had been rated, or had paid rates; and 3rdly, that there was no actual proof of the payment of rent. The Court confirmed the order of removal, with common costs and GBP 2.5s. maintenance. SECOND COURT - Wednesday, January 1st, before Sir Colman Rashleigh, Bart. JOSEPH PERRYMAN, the younger, aged 33, was charged with having, on the 8th of October, broken and entered the shop of JOHN COLLETT, of Probus, and stolen therefrom a pair of boots, the property of the said JOHN COLLETT. The prosecutor stated that he was a shoe-maker living at Tresillian, in Probus. His shop was under the same roof as his dwelling-house. Early in the morning of the 9th of October, he found that his shop door had been broken open, and four pairs of shoes and one pair of boots stolen. He had since seen the boots in the possession of Mr. JAMES, a pawnbroker. GEORGE FREDERICK JAMES, stated that he was an assistant with his father, a pawnbroker of Truro. On Wednesday morning the 9th of October, prisoner brought a pair of men's boots and pawned them for three shillings. He said they were his own property. Witness has had the boots ever since in his possession, and now produced them. JOHN COLLETT recalled, identified the boots by his own work on them, and by a particular way of putting in the tongue-piece. Guilty.   Two previous convictions were proved against the prisoner. Both took place at the Michaelmas Sessions 1845. He was then convicted of breaking into the house of THOMAS TRENERRY, butcher, of Bucks Head, near Truro, and stealing a sheep, lamb, and other property; and also, under the name of JOSEPH WILLIAMS, otherwise Joseph PERRYMAN, for stealing a cow and heifer, the property of WILLIAM NORTHEY, farmer of Creed. On the first conviction, he was sentenced to One Month's Imprisonment; on the second, to Ten Years Transportation. A gentleman of the jury inquired of the Chairman, under what circumstances the prisoner had returned before the expiration of his term of Transportation; but the Chairman could give no information on the subject. In passing sentence, the Chairman told the prisoner that there was a prior conviction against him in October, 1845, when he was transported for ten years, and that he had also been convicted previously to that. Under what circumstances he had returned to this country, the court did not know, but they apprehended that under the guise of repentance and change of conduct, he had so acted as to induce the authorities to pardon him. If that were the case, it was clear he was utterly unworthy of that favour. The sentence now was that he be Transported to such of her Majesty's dominions as her Majesty in council shall think fit, for the space of Twenty years. MR. HOCKIN, who had conducted the prosecution for stealing boots, stated that the prisoner was also indicted for stealing five bushels of wheat, the property of JOHN  PLUMMER, in the parish of Kenwyn; but, it would be occupying time uselessly to prosecute that indictment after what had just taken place; and therefore he should offer no evidence on it. THOMAS MAHOLE, 45, charged with stealing, on the 9th of December, two lbs. of brass, the property of WILLIAM LANGDON, of Launceston; there was another count charging felonious receiving of the brass. MR. DARKE conducted the prosecution; Mr. MORGAN the defence. The prosecutor keeps a Foundry at St. Stephens by Launceston, and on the morning of Tuesday, December 10, he missed some brass which he had seen on his premises the previous morning. He set on foot enquiries, and his foreman brought back some pieces, which witness gave in charge to the policeman and identified in court. He had had many dealings with the prisoner, never heard anything against his honesty, and should have no objection to deal with him again. WILLIAM PROCKTER, ironmonger, of Launceston, bought the brass produced of the prisoner with some old metal on the morning of December 9th, and gave it next day to prosecutor's foreman. The value of the pieces produced was less than sixpence. He gave the prisoner a good character for honesty, and should have no objection to deal with him again. BENJAMIN SAMBELL, police officer, detailed all the circumstances connected with the prisoner's apprehension. Two boys, named MARTIN and BICKLE, sold some old brass to prisoner on the evening of the day in question, but not the pieces of brass in question. Martin had been occupied at work with his employer all that day. The defence was, that the pieces of brass were sold by these boys on Saturday night, and that Mr. LANGDON must have been mistaken in thinking he saw them on the Monday. JOHN DODGE, labourer, in the employ of the prisoner, but who had been discharged from jail three months ago, where he had been committed for breaking into a house and stealing money, and MARIA HICKS, sister of the prisoner's wife, gave evidence to   implicate the boys; and THOMAS BROWN, dealer in marine stores, and WILLIAM EDGCUMBE, carriage builder of Launceston, bore testimony to prisoner's character. Mr. DARKE replied; and the case went to the jury, who retired for consultation.  After being absent from court about an hour and a half, they returned, and delivered a verdict of Guilty of Stealing. Sentence, Six Months' hard labour. RICHARD PEARCE, 32, charged with stealing on the 20th of October, a six feet pole of sycamore, the property of WILLIAM WILTON, of South Petherwin.  Verdict, Guilty. One Month's hard labour. SAMUEL TREVENA, 15, charged with stealing, on the 22nd of November, from the person of HUGH BROWN, four shillings, four sixpences, one fourpenny piece, and one penny, the property of the said HUGH BROWN. Hugh Brown, examined by Mr. DARKE, said he lived in the parish of Stithians. On Friday, the 22nd of November, which was West  Wheal Buller pay day, he received a sovereign and a shilling, and afterwards changed the sovereign at the De Dunstanville Arms, Redruth. In change, he received a half-sovereign and some silver. He wrapped up the half-sovereign in his bal-bill, and put it in his trousers pocket; and put the silver in his right waistcoat pocket. He remained at the De Dunstanville Arms, and drank too much beer; and his recollection was not very perfect of what happened afterwards. When he came to himself, he found that he was in an outhouse, with a policeman, about a quarter of a mile out of the town. The policeman told him he had been robbed. Witness then searched his pockets, and found the half-sovereign right, but all the silver gone. He ought to have had about five shillings. He then gave his half-sovereign to the policeman to take care for him; and the policeman also took care of him for the night. JOHN HARRIS, a servant of Mr. JOHN HAYES, at Redruth, was at the De Dunstanville Arms about  half-past eight o'clock in the evening of the 22nd of November; and saw the prosecutor leave the house very much intoxicated, unable to help himself.   The prisoner led him out from the door, and about thirty yards off he fell to the ground. Witness and a man called RICKARD, and two or three others, went forth to help him up, and then Trevena took him again and walked him away. Witness and Rickard followed, as far as the Buller's Arms. Trevena could not get Brown on further; and witness and Rickard assisted and put him into an outhouse a little above that Inn. Witness, Rickard, and Trevenna then came away. As they came down the lane, prisoner stopped behind, and witness halloed to him; and after a little while he came running after them, towards the Buller's Arms. Witness and Rickard went away towards their houses in Buller's Row, but still watched Trevena; they could see by a gas-light that he did not proceed to his own home, but went back to the outhouse where Brown had been placed. Witness and Rickard followed him on the watch, and found that he had rolled back the stone which they had placed to secure the door from cattle, and was inside the house. Witness and Rickard watched by the door, in order to catch him coming out. When he came out, witness saw money in his hand, and immediately closed his hand upon it and held it fast,and said "Hallo, young man, what have you been about?" Prisoner  tried to let the money drop, but witness would not let him. Prisoner then said "Oh, forgive me, Harris; 'tis the first time, and I want a pair of shoes and a cap."  He then threw out the money into witness' hand - four shillings, four sixpences, a fourpenny, and a penny piece. They then brought him down into the street, and delivered him into the custody of the policeman Tregoning. JOHN RICKARD confirmed the evidence of last witness.  CHARLES TREGONING, policeman of Redruth, remembered the prisoner being given into his custody by the two last witnesses, and the money also which he now produced. He then went to the outhouse and saw the prosecutor there and took care of him for the night. He was then intoxicated, but was coming a little more to himself. It was after 11 o'clock at night when the prisoner was given into his charge. The jury took the trouble to consider the case for a long while, and returned a verdict of Guilty. The Chairman ordered that the prosecutor's expenses should not be allowed him; if he had kept himself sober, most probably he would not have been robbed. The prisoner was sentenced to Four Months' hard labour. The jury were then discharged. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

An explanation as to why I didn't film the BMDs, or Local Intelligence, for this issue!!!  3 JANUARY 1851 - PRISCA FIDIS We present our readers to day with the first number of the West Briton in a greatly enlarged form - and an event of so much importance in our career at once gives an especial emphasis to our new year's greetings, and furnished us with a fitting opportunity of taking a more enlarged review than usual of the past, and of imparting to our readers some idea of our intention for the future. The West Briton has now existed for rather more than forty years, a tolerably satisfactory proof of the value of its services to the cause of Liberal politics. It was started at a time when to be suspected of any leaning towards constitutional progress, any sympathy with the cause of the people, or any dissatisfaction, however slight, with things as they were, was sufficient to place a man under the ban of social proscription, was almost certain to make him the butt of calumny, and in all probability to expose him to injustice and oppression. The prevailing character of British statesmanship at the time was imbecility, its great actuating principle was a vague, stupid, ignorant fear of popular feeling and liberal views. [and so on, in the same vein, maintaining that those in power so feared 'revolution' they would not allow any questions, or opinions, that differed from theirs.  I simply couldn't find the Local Intelligence section, or the BMDS, and I did try.] .................................... WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER JANUARY 3, 1851 CORNWALL  EPIPHANY  SESSIONS  FRANCIS GLANVILLE, Esq., of Catchfrench, qualified as a county magistrate. The following gentlemen were sworn on the Grand Jury: Mr. John Ball Smith, St. Stephens in Branwell, foreman Mr. Jonathan Baron, Bodmin Mr. James Brabyn, St. Kew Mr. William Clogg, St. Martins Mr. Walter Cock, Luxulyan Mr. William Cook, St. Martins Mr. William Dawe, Morval  Mr. Giles L. Hawken, st. Teath Mr. Nicholas Higgs, Lanlivery Mr. Jonathan Hill, St. Martins Mr. Thomas Jane, Lanhydrock Mr. John Lakeman, Egloshayle Mr. William Huddy Littleton, Lanlivery Mr. Joseph Michell, Gorran Mr. George Morcom, St. Austell Mr. Richard Oliver, Morval   Mr. John Pearce, Tywardreath  Mr. John Rundell, Luxulyan   Mr. Wm. Rundell, Tywardreath Mr. Alexander Stephens, St. Mewan Mr. John Trevaile, Luxulyan Mr. John Trevenen, St. Sampsons Mr. W. Henry Trounce, St. Ewe The proclamation against vice and immorality was then read... TRIALS OF PRISONERS HUGH HOLLINSHEAD, 42, pleaded GUILTY of stealing, on the 27th of December, at the parish of Tywardreath, a coat, neckerchief, bag, and knife, the property of RICHARD NETHERTON. Three Months' hard labour. THOMAS ROWSE was charged with stealing, at the parish of St. Austell, on the 5th of December, two jars, and about four gallons of brandy, the property of William OLVER. Mr. SHILSON prosecuted, and MR. STOKES defended the prisoner. Prosecutor is an innkeeper at Mount Charles, in the parish of St. Austell, and prisoner is a sailor living at Porthpean. On the afternoon of the 6th of December, prosecutor left his house to go into St. Austell, there remaining in charge of the inn, his wife, daughter, and son, and an apprentice called HOAR being in the workshop. There were two jars of brandy in the bar when prosecutor left, and in the course of the evening his daughter discovered that these had been taken away.  Suspicion fell on the prisoner, and JOSEPH BENNETT, a constable, being called, he and Hoar the apprentice, went to prisoner's house at Porthpean, about a mile and half distant, with the view of apprehending him. It was about ten o'clock at night when they arrived at prisoner's house. The constable knocked on the door, and prisoner asked who was there?  The constable replied, "a friend."  He asked what they wanted, and the constable said "something to drink"; he asked, what? And the constable said, "a drop of water."  After this they heard a bustling inside about the kitchen, and presently afterwards the prisoner opened the door and came out with the jars, with which he went to the garden and threw them out of his hand. The jars contained two gallons of brandy each, and Mr. Inch's name was on the label. Prisoner was then taken into custody, and afterwards committed for the offence . In prisoner's defence, Mr. Stokes submitted that there was no evidence that he had stolen the jars, but that they had been placed in his house by some other person; and that the act of carrying the spirit into the garden was done by a drunken man who did not know what he was about, - that in fact the apprentice said he appeared to be tipsy when he came out of the house with the jars. Mr. Stokes also called WILLIAM BOND,JOSEPH RICKETT, and two other witnesses, who gave the prisoner a good character. After the Chairman had commented on the case, the jury found the prisoner Guilty.Two months' hard labour. WILLIAM JONES , 14, was charged with stealing a fustian jacket, belonging to JOHN GREEN, of Ladock. Mr. G. COLLINS for the prosecution. On Friday, the 6th of December, prosecutor had taken off his jacket and placed it on the shafts of a waggon. He saw the prisoner near the place, and afterwards missing his jacket, he rode after the lad and overtook him near the Blue Anchor. Prisoner was then wearing prosecutor's jacket, and was taken into custody by constable MENNEAR, of St. Enoder. Verdict, Guilty - Six Weeks' Hard labour. WILLIAM HARRIS, was charged  with stealing a fowl, the property of WILLIAM OLVER. Mr. G. COLLINS conducted the prosecution. Prosecutor keeps the Seven Stars Inn, at St. Columb, and also farms a tenement about five hundred yards from his house. He has there a linhay in a field, and it was from that linhay he found on the 27th of October, that two fowls had been stolen since the previous night. Opposite to his field was a gate leading to Mr. PAYNTER's field, and behind the post of that gate he found two heads of fowls, four wings, four legs, and a quantity of feathers. HENRY COOMBE, policeman, stated that he followed the traces of the feathers, and eventually searched prisoner's house, where he found some feathers, and he also found a fowl under the back window of the house, which was not there when he was under that window before. The feathers were sworn to as being those of the lost fowl, but the jury did not consider the evidence conclusive. Verdict, Not Guilty. A second indictment against the prisoner was withdrawn. RICHARD HOCKING, 20, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 3rd of November, at Restronguet Creek, from the vessel PRIMROSE, a worsted frock, the property of JOHN GOSLING. He also pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the same day and from the same vessel, eleven sovereigns, the property of THOMAS HARRIS. For the first offence, Six Months' hard labour, and for the second offence, Two Months' hard labour. JAMES GILL, 18, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 9th of September, at the parish of Wendron, a shirt, belonging to WALTER PASCOE. Three Months' hard labour. JOHN OLIVER, 20, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 24th of November, at the parish of St. Austell, a silver watch, the property of ROBERT TERDREA LONG. A second count laid the watch as being the property of EDWARD ROBERTS. Three Months' hard labour. ELIZABETH ROBERTS, 21, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 28th of November, at Liskeard, a silver teaspoon, and four tumblers, the property of NEHEMIAH HENWOOD. Two Months' hard labour. JOHN WILLIAMS, 18, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 16th of November, at the parish of Gwennap, a a hand-saw, the property of JOSEPH PASCOE. Two Months' hard labour. SHEEP STEALING -  THOMAS BROWN, 23, WILLIAM ROBINSON, 30, and JAMES HILL, 36, were indicted for stealing, at the parish of Pelynt, a ewe sheep, the property of JOHN ROSKILLY. Another count charged the prisoners with killing, with intent to take away the carcase. Mr. CHILDS conducted the prosecution; the prisoners were undefended. JOHN COCK, the hind of Mr. John Roskilly, stated that he resided at the farm house on Trendaway estate, in the parish of Pelynt. On the morning of the 1st of December, he went into one of the fields of the farm, and saw thirty-nine sheep there belonging to Mr. Roskilly; on the morning before he had counted forty sheep in the field. He went to look for the missing sheep, and found the belly, skin, head, neck, and the small part of the fore-legs wrapped up in a corner of the field. The sheep did not appear to have been slaughtered by a butcher; it was not skinned so clean as it ought to have been; the head and neck were left in the skin.  He carried home the skin, head, neck and two legs to his master's house. In about an hour afterwards, he saw men's tracks in the field, which was then wet, and the marks were to be plainly discerned. One track had seven rows of nails, and other  eight, and another had a "diamond". He had before that called a workman to assist him, and also MR. HOOPER, a neighbouring farmer. They examined the tracks and went on following them through Pelynt to Highlane, above Lantundle, in the parish of Duloe, from three to four miles from where they set  out.  At this place, above Lantundle, they came up to THOMAS BROWN, one of the prisoners, and afterwards saw ROBINSON, another of the prisoners, standing by the hedge, only a few yards from Brown. They also saw JAMES HILL, the third prisoner, coming towards them from the opposite direction. They traced the footmarks, close up to two of those men, and not further on. Brown was standing by a little fire which had been lighted by the hedge. The witness Cock then left the prisoners in charge of the two men who were w! ith him, whilst he went for constable TRUSCOTT. It appeared from further evidence, that whilst Mr. Hooper and the other man were left with the prisoners, that a man called STACEY found a smock-frock in some furze not far from where the prisoner Brown was standing; and that when constable Truscott came, the smock-frock was examined, and found to contain two rounds of a leg of mutton, two shoulders, a loin, and some other parts; the ribs, it appeared, had been dressed at the fire. The tracks were afterwards compared with the prisoners' shoes, and the pieces found in the smock-frock corresponded with those found in the field. A labourer called NORTHCOTT  also gave evidence to show that the three prisoners were in the field about the time it was believed the sheep were stolen. The CHAIRMAN, in summing up , said there could be no doubt that the parts found in the smock-frock and in the field came from the same animal, but were the jury satisfied that the prisoners were connected with the jury  smock-frock in which the portions were found?  The tracks had been traced up to the prisoners, who it appeared were strangers in this part of the country; and the jury must consider whether they were satisfied with the evidence of those tracks. The Chairman remarked that the manner in which the shoes of Brown were compared with the tracks, was the correct way, namely by making a fresh mark by the side; but as to the other tracks they were compared incorrectly, by putting the shoes into them. The jury found the three prisoners Guilty. They were each sentenced to Twelve Months' hard labour. JAMES CONDAR, 20, and JOSHUA WILLIS, 18, were charged with stealing at Stratton, on the 12th of December, a silk handkerchief from the person of JOHN LYLE. The handkerchief was stolen on Stratton fair-day. A farmer called ROBERT JONES, saw the prisoner Condar take the handkerchief from prosecutor's coat pocket, and pass it over to the prisoner Willis. They were afterwards taken into custody by policeman GODDARD. Verdict, Guilty of stealing from the person. Sentence, each Six Months' hard labour. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org I'm a volunteer for FreeCens - why don't you join, too?

Thanks Barbara, I'll add a tiny bit to Barbara's answer, on COPC % represents any number of letters, not just one, and you don't need to add one on the end, because the search does it automatically, it doesn't hurt to add it but it's not necessary. Mainly it's vowels you're interested in, but sometimes it's other letters too. So o%g will throw up odgers, ogers, oggers, odggers or theoretically ornamentagiphs or og, but if you find one of those you'll be lucky :) I'm having a 'let's tell everyone how clever Bill O'Reilly's programming is on the database search engine' time, especially when you add in the 'search surrounding parishes' option, and the 'People' search that searches everything on the database at once, baptisms, marriages etc. I'm really impressed with it. Peter -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara OConnor Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2010 4:43 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Search Symbols used in Peter's e-mails re ODGERS Peter is using % as a wild card - in his case, meaning O(any letter)G(any letter)R. To search for Edmonds, for example, using edm%nd would bring up a couple of different spellings, such as Edmond/Edmund. If you entered edm%ond%, you would get the variations already mentioned, and different endlings - s/son/etc. At a time when a lot of people were not well versed in reading and writing, the spelling of the a name often depended on how the clerical person thought it should be spelt. Cheers ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When you use a credit card I've always found that the issuing banks are pretty good at translating the currency of the purchase into the one you are used to dealing with on your credit cards bills. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meli" <melibob4@texasbb.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 12:51 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Thanks, Joanne in Toronto on Withiel~Thomas reply > Hi, Joanne and listers, > > Thanks so much for your suggestions in reply to my query about JOHN > THOMAS > and EDITH PHILLIPS' marriage that was posted here. First . let me say > that I have contacted the Withel One Name Study, since that has been a > topic > of interest, lately! LOL > > Secondly, I am thrilled to know that info about where they married and > that > gives me some new leads. I am really learning my English geography as I > pursue my Cornish rellies! And you have suggested I order a marriage > certificate for Edith and John. Great Idea! but....... > > Now, all of you are going to laugh your heads off, I know, but I have > never > ordered a record from the GRO nor the CRO, etc....and don't even know how > to > begin, although several of you have suggested I do so and even told me > how, > probably. I don't know how to figure the cost from English money to > American dollars so don't know what it costs. > > So, I will try to follow someone's next suggestion to the letter! > > Texas~sized hugs to all! > > Melibob > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Peter is using % as a wild card - in his case, meaning O(any letter)G(any letter)R. To search for Edmonds, for example, using edm%nd would bring up a couple of different spellings, such as Edmond/Edmund. If you entered edm%ond%, you would get the variations already mentioned, and different endlings - s/son/etc. At a time when a lot of people were not well versed in reading and writing, the spelling of the a name often depended on how the clerical person thought it should be spelt. Cheers

This also works, but will add about $2.50 for postage both ways, as the friend still has to pay £7 there (it is the same cost for anywhere in the world). Also you do not need internet banking - just a VISA or MasterCard will do the trick, and it can be either a credit or debit card. So buying the certificates directly saves a significant cost, as well as the additional bother on both ends and you get the certificate 2 weeks sooner. It may also cost your friend money to change the money that you send from dollars to sterling and some banks will not accept small amounts of foreign currency. It really is much easier, faster, and cheaper to order them directly from the GRO. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Thanks, Joanne in Toronto on Withiel~Thomas reply > Melibob, > > Do what I do, send money to a good friend in England and let 'em do it:) > > Bev who does not have internet banking

Could someone, namely Peter please explain how these symbols work please and what do you do? Where do they go? I want to try EDMONDS Bev Edmonds > Regarding the name ODGERS, just out of interest I did a search on the > Cornwall OPC database using o%g%r and it turned up at least 24 different > variations. That is before you start looking for the ones starting in 'A'. > Most of those variations are in earlier years, by the time you get to the > 19th C they are almost all Odger and Odgers. > > I'm sure that Alan could tell me more :) > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alan Nelson > Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 3:55 AM > To: Mary Hester > Cc: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Guild of one name studies > > Now that it seems my message appears to have had several positive > responses > can I ask if anyone has links to Auger/Augur/Augar Odger/Odgers please > contact me > Although not registered with Goons I am also interested in Anger a more > than > > common misspelling along with August as a local family of Auger from > Ringwood changed to August Could it have been a hard of hearing registrar > and/or an individual with a distinct local accent > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Hester" <mhester@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] My Freethy Brick Wall > > >> >> Hi Corinne >> >> I am sure Alan wasn't being rude. however, the Freethy Name does not come >> up >> on the one name list. I suggest you look at >> http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch enter the name >> Freethy and three variations come up so you might have more luck on those >> Mailing Lists. Good Luck >> >> Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Corinne Freethy" <Twiglets@telus.net> >> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: 03 March 2010 11:49 >> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] My Freethy Brick Wall >> >> >>>I really hope you're not being rude. >>> >>> >>> At 02:19 AM 3/3/2010, you wrote: >>>>Why do I appear to be the only member of the Guild of one name studies >>>>GOONS for short identifying and referring individuals to other Goons >>>>Have you checked your unusual name against those entered in the register >>>>of >>>>one name studies www.one-name.org >> >>>> >>>> > >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 216 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information > >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2722 - Release Date: 03/04/10 19:34:00

Meli: It is really easy, even from the USA. Go to their website at http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevents/index.htm Then click on "order certificates online." Then just follow the instructions. Get the reference for the marriage from the BMD index where you find the year, the quarter, the registration district, the volume, and the page number (Free BMD or Ancestry, etc.) in order to get the cheapest rate. It will cost £7.00 (until next month when the price is going up a bit) with the reference, but more if you do not supply the reference (be CERTAIN that you tick the box on the form that you have the reference, because if you do not check the box you will be charged £10 even if you supply the reference). They use World Pay from the Bank of Scotland, and it is a secure site. All that you need is a VISA or MasterCard and they will convert the currency for you and charge it to your card. You do not need to know the exchange rate (which changes every day). It is very easy, safe and secure. You will receive the certificate in about 2 weeks (a week for them to process your order and about a week for airmail from the UK). The postage is included in the fee. The current exchange is about £1 for $1.50, so it will cost less than $11.00. I order so many (sometimes 2 or 3 in a single day) that I keep the address bookmarked on my computer, and it really is quite easy. NEVER use a 3rd party, such as Ancestry, as they will add fees that will triple the price. Always order directly from the GRO. David Coppin ----- Original Message ----- "Meli" <melibob4@texasbb.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Thanks, Joanne in Toronto on Withiel~Thomas reply > Hi, Joanne and listers, > > Thanks so much for your suggestions in reply to my query about JOHN > THOMAS > and EDITH PHILLIPS' marriage that was posted here. First . let me say > that I have contacted the Withel One Name Study, since that has been a > topic > of interest, lately! LOL > > Secondly, I am thrilled to know that info about where they married and > that > gives me some new leads. I am really learning my English geography as I > pursue my Cornish rellies! And you have suggested I order a marriage > certificate for Edith and John. Great Idea! but....... > > Now, all of you are going to laugh your heads off, I know, but I have > never > ordered a record from the GRO nor the CRO, etc....and don't even know how > to > begin, although several of you have suggested I do so and even told me > how, > probably. I don't know how to figure the cost from English money to > American dollars so don't know what it costs. > > So, I will try to follow someone's next suggestion to the letter! > > Texas~sized hugs to all! > > Melibob > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Joanne and listers, Thanks so much for your suggestions in reply to my query about JOHN THOMAS and EDITH PHILLIPS' marriage that was posted here. First . let me say that I have contacted the Withel One Name Study, since that has been a topic of interest, lately! LOL Secondly, I am thrilled to know that info about where they married and that gives me some new leads. I am really learning my English geography as I pursue my Cornish rellies! And you have suggested I order a marriage certificate for Edith and John. Great Idea! but....... Now, all of you are going to laugh your heads off, I know, but I have never ordered a record from the GRO nor the CRO, etc....and don't even know how to begin, although several of you have suggested I do so and even told me how, probably. I don't know how to figure the cost from English money to American dollars so don't know what it costs. So, I will try to follow someone's next suggestion to the letter! Texas~sized hugs to all! Melibob

Regarding the name ODGERS, just out of interest I did a search on the Cornwall OPC database using o%g%r and it turned up at least 24 different variations. That is before you start looking for the ones starting in 'A'. Most of those variations are in earlier years, by the time you get to the 19th C they are almost all Odger and Odgers. I'm sure that Alan could tell me more :) Peter -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alan Nelson Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2010 3:55 AM To: Mary Hester Cc: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Guild of one name studies Now that it seems my message appears to have had several positive responses can I ask if anyone has links to Auger/Augur/Augar Odger/Odgers please contact me Although not registered with Goons I am also interested in Anger a more than common misspelling along with August as a local family of Auger from Ringwood changed to August Could it have been a hard of hearing registrar and/or an individual with a distinct local accent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hester" <mhester@tiscali.co.uk> To: <> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] My Freethy Brick Wall > > Hi Corinne > > I am sure Alan wasn't being rude. however, the Freethy Name does not come > up > on the one name list. I suggest you look at > http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch enter the name > Freethy and three variations come up so you might have more luck on those > Mailing Lists. Good Luck > > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Corinne Freethy" <Twiglets@telus.net> > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 03 March 2010 11:49 > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] My Freethy Brick Wall > > >>I really hope you're not being rude. >> >> >> At 02:19 AM 3/3/2010, you wrote: >>>Why do I appear to be the only member of the Guild of one name studies >>>GOONS for short identifying and referring individuals to other Goons >>>Have you checked your unusual name against those entered in the register >>>of >>>one name studies www.one-name.org > >>> >>> > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 216 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Guys I've asked this before, but lost it. Please, what is Mfg. Chaus??? CAPOULE WORKER, please. About 1879, Bristol ???????? Best Regards Robert Beard

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER - transcribed by Julia Mosman 3 JANUARY 1851 EDITORIAL - EMIGRATION TO AUSTRALIA  We have received a communication from MR. RICHARD MOYLE, auctioneer and commission agent, now residing at Adelaide, South Australia, and who formerly carried on business at Falmouth, Penryn, and Redruth. He requests publication in the West Briton of particulars which he states are in every respect authentic, in regard to the eligibility of South Australia as a field for emigration; and he adds, that on giving this information, his only object is the good of his fellow countrymen, who, in South Australia, may get a plentiful supply of work at remunerative wages. He says that that colony possesses all the elements of prosperity, and that it is preferable to Sydney, Port Phillip, and the Cape of Good Hope.  The climate is excellent, the reports of the summer heat and the hot winds having been greatly exaggerated. His letter is dated July 4, 1850, about the middle of winter in that country, and he says the weather was then most agreeably mild, and the gardens full of prolific vegetation. Of the mines he writes as follows:   "Here is a vast field of wealth to be developed. The whole country abounds with minerals, and its prospects are such as to justify the most sanguine anticipations. What a pity that the English capitalists do not direct their serious attention to this colony; they would not much longer throw away their money in Mexico, Chili, and Cuba; and if two thousand miners were to come here annually for the next ten years, I do not think its effect would be perceptible in the value of labour, as many more mines would be opened, which cannot be done now from the want of workmen. Miners realize on tribute from GBP 16 to GBP 30 per month, and tut-work about GBP 8 per month; and most of the miners have their cow and horse. The Burra Burra mine is divided into two thousand shares, and cost originally only GBP 5 per share, but were selling four months since at GBP 140 per share, and are now selling at GBP 210. There is a township marked out near the mine, called Redruth, and many of the miners are building houses; the population there is about five thousand. MR. HENRY AYERS, the manager of the Burra Burra mines, is very much respected. A great many of the miners, who are young men, keep their horses for their amusement." With regard to agriculture and wages, he states:   "Here are millions of acres of the most fertile land, and if ten thousand labourers were to arrive annually it would be a great benefit to the colony and a blessing to themselves. They get from 12s. to 20s. per week, with their rations, but by industry and care they soon make head and become their own masters. I could name some whom I knew at home almost pennyless, and who have been here only about eighteen months or two years, and have now their dray with six or eight oxen, and their cow or two, and about twenty acres of land all their own. Industrious couples who come here need not fear; the greater their poverty at home the greater their success frequently here; therefore I entreat them to come all who can, and the larger their families the better. There are exceedingly fine cattle here;  milch cows fetch from 12s to 25s. each; oxen from 30s to 50s. each; good meat, mutton or beef, 2d. per pound; choice cuts, 3d. per ditto. The horses are exceedingly fine; a good saddle or draught horse may be had for from GBP 10 to GBP 20, and many young horses  imported from Sydney and Van Dieman's Land, are sold at from 50s. to 70s.; they are fit for immediate work, and most of them become excellent horses. Of fruits, we have the finest apples, pears, apricots, peaches, grapes, &c., and this will no doubt become one of the first wine-producing countries. The land will produce with but little labour, wheat, barley, oats, potatoes, cotton, flax, or almost anything. Of timber, we have the finest for ship-building. Brick makers, or brick layers, as many as may come, are sure of employ, at GBP 2.2s. per week; masons get from 35s. to 42s. per week; carpenters and wheelwrights, if good workmen, may be certain of obtaining 42s. per week; shoe making is a first rate business here, and instant employment may be had at from 42s. to 50s. per week; journeymen tailors get for making a dress coat 21s., trousers 6s., vest 5s.; tin-plate workers have GBP 2.2s. per week.   He states that hat and cloth and gas manufacturing, would be found profitable businesses, if there were capitalists to commence them. Clerks, shopmen, &c. who come over without capital are the most unfortunate class in the colony; he knows many clergymen's and merchants' sons, clerks, and respectable but unfortunate tradesmen at hom, who are in the greatest distress in Australia, and obliged to engage in driving bullocks, sheep herding, and employments of that kind. No one should go out unless he is able and willing to work hard, or has capital to assist himself. Mr Moyle next speaks of the value of capital as applied to house building, and of the rapid increase of houses at Adelaide and in the surrounding country. He does not think the people are anxious for separation from England, but they will not long submit to taxation without representation. The revenue of the colony is fast increasing, and there is good travelling accommodation, - first-rate inns, and coaches with four horses similar to the English mails. Mr. Moyle states that good female servants would be immediately engaged on their arrival in the colony, but he cautions them against the misconduct of the master, doctors, and mates of the passenger ships. If female emigrants misconduct themselves on their passage, it is soon known throughout Adelaide after their arrival, and of course it is greatly to their disadvantage. He advises them to report any misbehavior towards themselves, on their arrival, and the whole of the Adelaide press would instantly unite in their favour. He complains that persons who have made selections of females to send out to the colony, have not been sufficiently careful with regard to their characters. Thus those that Miss Burdett Coutts sent out from ill-judged philanthropy from the Magdalen Institution, termed "reformed characters," and some "Irish orphans" sent out in another ship, had most of them become pests in the colony. He also gives advice to emigrants to bring their own wine and spirits, or porter on board with them (the two former from the bonded stores) and not to trust to the promised liberality of the captains or agents, who charge extortionate prices for watered liquor. Persons cannot do better than to bring four or five hundred red herrings, a cheese, some pickles, and  good tea, from which they will find relief after eating the "mahogany," as they call the junks of salt beef on shipboard. He states that the provisions in the ship he sailed in were disgraceful, and that half of the passengers were reduced to skeletons on their arrival; and in conclusion he gives particulars showing the improvements that are about to be made at Adelaide by the construction of water- works, the making of roads, and the anticipated formation of a railway. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Hi everyone - And we're off on a new year - the more hopeful & positive 1851!!! Isabel has already posted the entire year of 1850 previously; if you didn't see it, please visit our website, or check the List Archives. This was a book review, but the paper thought it so important they expanded their coverage. If it was important then, it's important for you, too! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THE WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER, transcribed by Julia Mosman 3 Janurary 1851 LITERATURE, & C. [one section, on the edge of the page, was not in perfect condition; I have entered the words that seem to be correct, given that some of the letters were clear, and some not, in brackets. When I could not understand the letters, I've put .....] Practical Observation on the Diseases of the Cornish Miner, Part 1 - Consumption. By William Wale Tayler, M.R.C.S.E., Surgeon to Fowey and Par Consols Mines, &c., London; John CHURCHILL, Princes- street, Soho. The importance of the subject of the above work demands [from]  us a lengthened notice. It is dedicated to Mr. H. [Mere]dith, who was selected by the late Mr. Treffry, to carry to completion the great constructive works which Mr. Treffry had undertaken, but was unable to finish before the period of his decease. Mr. Treffry was a great benefactor to his native county, in providing for its labourers extensive employment; and we are glad to see allusions in the above work, which bring these his good deeds to grateful remembrance. We fully agree with the author, that "if every surgeon engaged in extensive practice among a class of people peculiar in habits, occupation, and constitution, were to give the result of his experience to the world, he would do some service to humanity." We hope that other surgeons connected with the mines of this county, may be induced to follow the example of Mr. Tayler, and through some medium publish such observations as they may deem of importance. Having been surgeon of the mines of Fowey and Par Consols for the last fourteen years, Mr. Tayler has had extensive experience of the diseases to which Cornish miners are subject, but first, he gives the following description of the men themselves: "The true Cornish miner," he says," is quite of a distinct race from the agricultural labourer of the county, and they differ as essentially in habits, appearance, and temperament, as if they belonged to separate nations. In stature, he is generally below, rather than above the middle height; in form not stout, but compact, well proportioned, exhibiting no great muscular development, though his strength and powers of bearing fatigue are surprising; in temperament ..lent and irritable; his distinguishing characteristics are shrewdness, intelligence, indomitable perseverance, and a fondness or passion for what in the dialect of the county is called "venturing." Mr. Tayler justly conceives that this persevering and "venturing" spirit strongly operates to excite the Cornish miner to seek for the earth's mineral treasures. Most persons who have found an opportunity to observe the habits of the Cornish miners, will also agree with him, that the majority of them are industrious, moral, and sober men. He observes that "the miner is generally a religious man, and usually a member of some of the numerous dissenting sects with which Cornwall abounds, seldom of the Church of England. His [reading] is almost entirely confined to religious subjects, for in the many hundred cottages I have visited, I have rarely seen any other books than "The Pilgrim's Progress," "the Bible," or tracts connected with "Wesley's Life and Associations."  He notices also the frequency with which labouring miners  engage in public religious services, as preachers or prayer-leaders. And we are glad to find the [following] testimony, by one who has had so many opportunities of observing, with regard to the industrious and pro...... habits of the miner:   "The miner is also an industrious man; many of them may be seen, after returning from their set hours of work, often after toiling all night, labouring diligently in their [garden] or potato-ground. Indeed, he is rarely idle; on a ..... when precluded from out-door work, he occupies his time in mending the children's shoes, or in some of the [tech]nical contrivances in which miners greatly excel. They take a great deal of pride in their gardens, which are [as] remarkable for their neatness, than for the beauty and quality of their flowers and vegetables, often being able to compete successfully with the horticultural productions of the gentry in the neighbourhood, as the various exhibitions and gardening societies annually testify. He may also be termed a provident man, two out of three being voluntary members of some benefit society, paying from 14s. to ... a year, in addition to what may be termed the compulsory payments to the mine-club, so that in sickness, unless under peculiar circumstances, he is not necessitated to apply for parochial relief. Now, on this point, I must make a few remarks, because many persons are too apt to imagine, in[deed] to assert, that miners are the most improvident of labourers, while I consider them more approaching to a self-supporting class than any other description of working men in the kingdom; if this were not the case, the poor-rates in Tywardreath and St. Blazey would be treble their present amount. The farmers and other rate-payers have never formed any idea of the large sums of money paid by benefit-clubs for the support of sick miners, in addition to that derived ... [from] payments to the mine-club." "Every miner working at Fowey and Par Consols mines [have] 2s.3d. a month deducted from his earnings for the following purposes:  9d. for the surgeon, by which the miner and his family are entitled to medical and surgical attention; 6d. for the widow's club, by which the wife receives GBP 5 at the death of her husband; and 1s. to the sick club - by this last payment a member is entitled to GBP 1 a month, when prevented from working by illness; the payment in a case of accident commencing immediately, but in every other kind of sickness not until he has been home one month. This arrangement has been in existence more than thirty years, and has answered most satisfactorily, though numerous individuals have been receiving sick pay for a long period, even for twenty-five years. I am surprised the plan is not universally adopted throughout all the mines in the county; and I think it might be advantageously imitated by manufacturers and others who have a large body of men in their employ. By a very trifling addition to the monthly contribution, the labourer might be put in such a position as to be quite independent of parochial relief, "a consummation most devoutly to be wished.' The author remarks on the great partiality for dress which [they] and their families exhibit, and which may be seen in the mining districts every Sunday. The "mine-maidens," he says, "carry this fondness to extremes; all the dresses exhibited in the plates of the monthly books of fashion, may be seen at Tywardreath or St. Blazey on a fine Sunday afternoon, not even omitting the additional accompaniments of parasols, lace-edged pocket-handkerchiefs, &c."   He observes, however, (on the other side of the account) that they are "strong, healthy, active, well-formed girls, and make for the most part very good wives, generally contriving to hold the reins of power in their own hands, ruling their husbands and his finances, with a good deal of tact and dis[cretion]; for be it known that the whole of the earnings or [gettings] are generally entrusted to the wife's care; and, like a good Chancellor of the Exchequer, she lays out the surpluses to the best possible advantage." The author notices - what is very commendable - the affectionate interest which miners' families generally take in the welfare of their kindred. It also appears that the superstitious notions once prevalent amongst the mining population, in regard to the efficacy of what are termed "charms," &c., seem to be rapidly disappearing before the diffusion of enlightenment. The author is glad to observe that "even within the last few years, a great change has taken place" in this respect. He next draws the distinction between the labour of tutwork and tributors, which is well known to most of our readers; and in doing so he makes the following remarks: "A miner's son generally begins at the age of fourteen or fifteen to accompany his father in his labours underground, and even at an earlier period; but this extremely youthful [initiation] to the art is not, as a stranger might imagine, at all injurious to his future health, for I have ascertained, by [repeated] inquiries, that the oldest miners now capable of working are those who commenced in their earliest youth." "Many of the miners live from four to five miles from the seat of their work, which I consider is very injurious to their constitutions; imagine a man, after working eight hours in a place so hot, that the very water he has carried down with him in his keg has become undrinkable from the intense heat - and moreover that he has been working quite divested of all clothing* - and then walking several miles in the depth of winter, exposed either to heavy [...], or to the intense cold of frost or snow; and yet all [this] danger is quite unnecessarily incurred, as there are plenty of habitations to be found in the neighbourhood of the mines. Many of our readers who have read from year to year our reports of the proceedings of the Royal Cornwall Polytechnic Society, may remember that from time to time papers have been read before that Society containing statistics of the prevalent diseases and mortality amongst our mining population. It is stated that there is a critical period in a miner's life, when if certain symptoms appear he should at once discontinue underground labour. But  the difficult question is - how shall he obtain sufficient labour above-ground, so as to support himself and his family? This question is well worthy [of] the consideration of [phil..thropists]; the man who could form and get put into ... a plan by which the working miner (whenever it was necessary) could be assisted at this critical period of his life, would be entitled to the lasting thanks of the miners of Cornwall. The author of this work proposes emigration as a means of providing labour above ground for the miner, when he can no longer, with safety to his health, work in the levels. The importance of the subject is such, that we transfer Mr. Tayler's remarks on it to our columns: "I have said the miner is a short-lived man, and for this there are many obvious causes, in addition to hereditary diseases; the close places in which he has frequently to work, inhaling the most noxious air, the various cold draughts he must encounter at those times when all the pores of the skin are open from perspiration, and, above all, the length of ladders he may have to climb (Fowey Consols is in some parts 300 fathoms from the surface) and, to add to this last danger, young men are very fond of racing up the ladders, striving who shall first reach the surface, a foolish pastime, that too frequently ends in incurable disease of the heart or lungs. >From forty to forty-five is what may be termed the critical period in a miner's life; if he passes the ladder successfully he may probably live many years; now this is the point to which I wish particularly to direct the reader's attention. If at that period a miner perceive his strength to flag, his breathing short after any little exertion, that on climbing the ladders he is frequently compelled to stop on account of the palpitation of his heart, that his appetite is bad, and his flesh wasting, then it is of absolute importance for him to resolve at once to give up working under-ground; and, if he neglect the symptoms described, which are to be taken as so many inward monitors pointing out to him the course he should adopt, consumption, and that, too, of a rapid character, will soon follow. If, however, at this critical period he could change his employment for above-ground work, there is little doubt (unless the lungs be extensively diseased) that, not only might his lif! e be prolonged for many years, but he might be enabled to support, in a great degree, himself and family. This great crisis, this halt or pause, as it were, between life and death in a miner's condition, has not escaped the attention of the benevolent and wealthy of the county. About  eight years ago, circulars were issued from the Royal Polytechnic Society of Cornwall, addressed to all the surgeons connected with mines, containing several important questions, but principally alluding to the one great point, as to the beneficial effect change of employment might produce on a miner's constitution at a period similar to that which I have endeavoured to describe. My reply was somewhat lengthy, and as it was inserted in one of the journals of the Society, I shall here very briefly give the purport of it: "that from having been surgeon from some years to the Restormel iron mines, the greater  portion of which were open workings, I had opportunities of noting the marked change for the better in many miners who had come thence from the deep mines in the West, with (apparently) broken-down constitutions, who at first appeared scarcely able to follow their employment, but in a very little time got through their work as well as their more healthy and youthful comrades." But, unfortunately, surface or above-ground work is very difficult to be found in Cornwall, and though no man can doubt the benefit a change of employment would confer, the grand question presents itself - How is that change to be effected?  It is quite clear that, without some aid, it could never be accomplished by the miner alone. It is easy for a surgeon to say, "My good fellow, if you don't give up under ground work you will kill yourself."  The reply is, "How am I to live, then?  How is my family to be supported?"  The surgeon might reply, " Turn husbandman."  But the objections to such a proposal are so palpable, that they are not worth giving. Besides, as I have already shown, the miner is certain (at least in the mines to which my remarks are principally confined) of GBP 1 a month, when unable to work, from the Miners' Club, in addition to any money he may be entitled to from any benefit society; therefore, to resign such certain advantages, without some equally adequate provision for the future, would be a most imprudent act. I must candidly confess that I am not prepared to give the beneficial reply. The only remedy I can suggest is emigration. If the miner's lungs are not affected, there is no reason why he could not be made the valuable inhabitant of another country. That fact could be easily ascertained; and if the large shareholders, particularly those who reside at a distance from Cornwall, and whose knowledge of mining interests consists in receiving their dividends, were to devote the smallest per-centage of them towards forming a fund for the relief of the industrious miner at the critical period of his existence, who can doubt that, at no distant time, the desired object might be achieved?I have shown, nay, proved I trust - that the miner is for the most part a prudent, industrious, religious man, a good and useful member of society as a husband and a father; and if the reader glances at his life, he must see that he has heavier hardships to encounter, without greater remuneration, than! that of labourers in general;  that he is constantly exposed to severe accidents, and that the great majority either die at an early age, or are ever incapacitated from working, through diseases inseparably connected with their employment. After this introductory portion of his book, Mr. Tayler proceeds to treat of the disease of consumption. He gives a table of mortality from consumption in the parishes of Tywardreath and St. Blazey, for a period of two years, commencing October, 1848, and ending September, 1850. The mortality from that disease alone, during that period, was about one in four. Eighteen of these deaths were of children one year and under, which Mr. Tayler explains by the fact that they were the children of consumptive parents. He states that consumptive persons may frequently be cured, if, in the first stage of the disease - very rarely in the second - never in the third; though with regard to the curativeness of the last stage, he is aware that many high authorities entertain a different opinion. He describes the nature of consumption, and remarks that its cure in a miner, "even in the first stage, depends on a variety of circumstances, - the age, appearance, and habits of the patient - whether the disease be hereditary, and for how many generations - whether both parents were free from the disease ten months before he was born. A miner, twenty-one years of age, whose father had died of consumption, as well as several of his relations, would be, with an affected lung, an unfavourable subject; one in the forty-fifth year must be classed in a similar predicament; and, above all, the miner who had originally been brought up as an agricultural labourer." He next gives instances of erroneous diagnosis, and states that disease of the liver is very frequently mistaken for consumption.  He censures the inconstancy of miners, when suffering from chronic diseases; "they fly from one practitioner to another, and often make use of the receipts of twelve different prescribers in as many weeks. The thought of their family being unprovided for, the anxiety to resume their work (particularly if they have a good bargain),  the unwise importunities of friends and relations, suggesting this or that remedy, works them up into such a state of restless impatience, that from their eagerness to be speedily cured, they take the worst possible means for effecting that object." He cautions them against "the nostroms advertised in newspapers," and the "quacks," or "travelling doctors," as they are termed in this county. Although, however, he states that consumption in the early or incipient state is frequently curable; yet, he observes, "if the miner whose lung has been once affected resume underground work, in nineteen cases out of twenty the disease will return, and the second attack invariably prove fatal; and I would that this important truth could be strongly engrafted on the minds of miners and all who take an interest in their welfare." He next states the various methods of treatment which have been adopted for the first stage of consumption, and then gives the medicine which he has himself found to be most successful:   "The medicine, however, in which for the last three years I have placed the greatest confidence, and am now principally using, is pyro-acetic spirit, or naphtha, as prepared for medical purposes. I know not what influence locality or constitution may have upon the operation of this spirit, but I can most unhesitatingly declare, that is the most valuable remedy I have ever prescribed, not only in consumption, but in other diseases connected with the lungs of miners. In chronic bronchitis, that great precursor of consumption, in my patients, it is almost a specific; and in their harassing spasmodic coughs (to which miners are subject,) it is of nearly equal value."   He has also tried naphtha, in combination with cod-liver oil - of course in separate doses - and thinks that in the earlier stages of the disease, much good may be derivable from their joint operation. But he has never known an instance of benefit from cod-liver oil, when the patient was in the advanced stages of consumption; and such is also the opinion of his colleague, MR. PACE. He gives a remedy for haemorrhage from the lungs or bronchial vessels; and he records some singular cases (no doubt important to the medical practitioner) one of which "may be regarded as favourable to those who advocate the perforation of the chest, in cases of cavernous abscess of the lungs." Mr. Tayler has treated his subject concisely, and with an avoidance, as far as possible, of technicalities, the work being intended as much for the general as the professional reader. This first part is contained within the limits of an octavo pamphlet of thirty-four pages; and we learn that the second part of the work will treat of the next most prevalent maladies amongst Cornish miners, - fever and diseases of the heart. We trust that this work will not only of medical value, but that it will be the means of drawing the attention of mine adventurers, and of benevolent individuals, to the condition of the working miner, that a fund may be raised, or some provision made, in order that when the inroads of disease are first perceptible, the miner may be assisted to obtain some other employment, with the view of regaining health, and supporting himself and his family. *    "divested of all clothing" = miners changed clothes before and after working their shift; they wore a long shirt while in the mines, and usually or often, a loose pair of pants. Julia Mosman OPC for St. Austell, Treverbyn, and Charlestown

 Alan,  have you considered UNGER as a variant? There were AUNGER/UNGER  marriages around Falmouth/Mylor in the 18th century. Linked to TRESIDDER. I've been running the TRESEDER/TRESIDDER One Name Study for many years & am not a member of GOONS.   I know there is one registered now  but I was first in the field about 20 years ago. Then it just didn't seem worth joining it. Even though I made myself known on the TRESIDDER List and elsewhere and answered many enquiries, few people ever  reciprocated to help me fill in the gaps, so the pointlessness of joining GOONS was confirmed. There are a lot of folk doing family history who 'suck but don't want to blow' when it comes to information. As regards ODGERS, there are some in my line with a link to DONNITHORNE (Truro) Regards Stephen Now that it seems my message appears to have had several positive responses can I ask if anyone has links to Auger/Augur/Augar Odger/Odgers please contact me Although not registered with Goons I am also interested in Anger a more than common misspelling along with August as a local family of Auger from Ringwood changed to August Could it have been a hard of hearing registrar and/or an individual with a distinct local accent

could it be capsule worker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 7:36 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Capoule Worker > > G'day Guys > > I've asked this before, but lost it. Please, what is Mfg. Chaus??? > CAPOULE WORKER, please. About 1879, Bristol ???????? > > Best Regards > Robert Beard > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

And of course the Mfg bit means 'manufacturing'. it's good this was mentioned again because it sent me off to see if there's a website for the very wonderful Shire Publications - and there is. Sadly the Chemist book (which I have here somewhere) is out of stock. UK book snufflers will be aware of these books - more like booklets really - don't know about elsewhere. http://www.shirebooks.co.uk/store/The-Victorian-Chemist-and- Druggist_9780852635834 Was this person filling gelatine capsules with powders- or making the capsules with a mould? Or does it just refer to the oblong shape tablets? I have a chemists' mould which I believe was for, um suppositories - could these have been the capsules involved? I seem to recall that Boots used to be known as 'manufacturing chemists'. Was this person making medicines in the back shop of a chemists or in some kind of factory? A factory is more likely I think. Judy On 5 Mar 2010, at 08:08, Mark Hattam wrote: > Assuming this is a Census entry ... and I'm plumping for the 1901 > as Stepney is "London" > > The occupation looks to be "Mfg. Chemist, Capsule Maker" > > RG 13 / 458 / ED 19 folio 14 page 19 schedule 142 > 25 Cairns Rd, Battersea, London > ... > Margaret E Clift, Step Dau, S, -, 25, Mfg. Chemist, Capsule Maker, > worker, -, London Stepney > > > Mark Hattam > http://www.hattam.co.uk/familytree > > -- > > On 5 Mar 2010, at 07:36, Bob wrote: > >> G'day Guys >> >> I've asked this before, but lost it. Please, what is Mfg. >> Chaus??? CAPOULE WORKER, please. About 1879, Bristol ???????? >> >> Best Regards >> Robert Beard >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Orrel there are odgers, Tresidder in Falmouth still ,they lived on newstreet in the 1940s there is a goons web sight on Google regards tom V ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orrel Archer" <kernowest@yahoo.co.uk> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 92 Alan, have you considered UNGER as a variant? There were AUNGER/UNGER marriages around Falmouth/Mylor in the 18th century. Linked to TRESIDDER. I've been running the TRESEDER/TRESIDDER One Name Study for many years & am not a member of GOONS. I know there is one registered now but I was first in the field about 20 years ago. Then it just didn't seem worth joining it. Even though I made myself known on the TRESIDDER List and elsewhere and answered many enquiries, few people ever reciprocated to help me fill in the gaps, so the pointlessness of joining GOONS was confirmed. There are a lot of folk doing family history who 'suck but don't want to blow' when it comes to information. As regards ODGERS, there are some in my line with a link to DONNITHORNE (Truro) Regards Stephen Now that it seems my message appears to have had several positive responses can I ask if anyone has links to Auger/Augur/Augar Odger/Odgers please contact me Although not registered with Goons I am also interested in Anger a more than common misspelling along with August as a local family of Auger from Ringwood changed to August Could it have been a hard of hearing registrar and/or an individual with a distinct local accent ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Assuming this is a Census entry ... and I'm plumping for the 1901 as Stepney is "London" The occupation looks to be "Mfg. Chemist, Capsule Maker" RG 13 / 458 / ED 19 folio 14 page 19 schedule 142 25 Cairns Rd, Battersea, London ... Margaret E Clift, Step Dau, S, -, 25, Mfg. Chemist, Capsule Maker, worker, -, London Stepney Mark Hattam http://www.hattam.co.uk/familytree -- On 5 Mar 2010, at 07:36, Bob wrote: > G'day Guys > > I've asked this before, but lost it. Please, what is Mfg. Chaus??? CAPOULE WORKER, please. About 1879, Bristol ???????? > > Best Regards > Robert Beard > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message