Morning Rita, Thanks for your reply. I would like to know if there are any records of my gt gt grandfather William COCK in the early 1900's where he is mentioned. His son William John COCK my gt grandfather and his wife Lucy COCK were also members of the Bible Christian Church. Then my grandfather William James COCK is the lad who received these books as an award when his grandfather (William COCK above) was superintendent. My aunt Dorothy Tremeckna COCK also received a reward book when it became the United Methodist Church. I also have a photographic book by David THOMAS in my possession (1850-1920) where it shows a picture dating back to 1909 and a group of people standing in front of the new Trelowarren Street UMC. The other book I have is also of Camborne by David THOMAS which I am sure you may have. I have to go through my shelves again and see what other books I have on Cornwall with pictures as when my family came out to South Africa, they brought a lot of Cornish books, memoirs etc out with them. Regards, Glynis MILLETT-CLAY (nee COCK) SA ----- Original Message ----- From: Rita Kopp To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Bible Christian Glynis How wonderful you have items passed down in the family from Cornwall. Graham is also onlist and will perhaps see your post but I will contact him too. If anyone on list has any of these Bible Christian Magazines, Graham and I would welcome transcribers. Cheers Rita Bone Kopp OPC St Stephen in Brannel and St Mewan http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boneplace/index.html Past Co-transcriber and current webmaster for West Briton newspaper http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wbritonad/ Co-transcriber and webmaster for Bible Christen Magazine http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~biblechristianmag/title.html Transcriber for the CRO Tithes indexing project and OPC Database >

In a message dated 08/03/2010 02:09:46 GMT Standard Time, hazel.p@xtra.co.nz writes: have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name > was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray, > Cornwall is? Excuse me if this possibility has already been mentioned but - Could " Bray " just be a corruption of " Brane " near Sancreed " regards --- John

Thanks everyone, you are all so great!!!!!!!! Mark you are right on the marriage, 1862 Redruth. Joanna Jordan, a 21 yr old Mine Labourer born in Ireland, is a boarder in a household at Brea in Illogan in the 1861 census, along with a 14 yr old Mary Jordan. RG9 / 1581 / ED 7 folio 81 page 21 schedule 105 On the next page of the census, still at Brea, is a Peter Moor but he's shown as a 69 yr old Labourer (widower), but also born in Ireland. Also, the above seem to be my people. Also, I learned something I never knew women worked the mines, a tough life! Thanks Joy for the census record,1861! Brea, Illogan Thanks Tom,Mac,Kay, Liz! Hope I didn't miss anyone. You see I live in Massachusetts, north of Boston and I couldn't figure out of the districts, villages etc. I was completely lost! Now my next question, I guess I need a marriage certificate so I can see if there are the parents names of the Bride and Groom. Do I order it directly from the Genral Register Office in London? This is what they say: Q2. How much does it cost to order a birth, death or marriage certificate online? Standard service Full certificate with GRO index reference supplied £7.00 Full certificate £10.00 Additional full certificate issued at same time £7.00 Which one do I order Full certificate or full cert. with GRO index reference ? This sounds much cheaper than ancestry they want 20.00 euros.

Also, Joanna Jordan, a 21 yr old Mine Labourer born in Ireland, is a boarder in a household at Brea in Illogan in the 1861 census, along with a 14 yr old Mary Jordan. RG9 / 1581 / ED 7 folio 81 page 21 schedule 105 On the next page of the census, still at Brea, is a Peter Moor but he's shown as a 69 yr old Labourer (widower), but also born in Ireland. Mark Hattam -- On 7 Mar 2010, at 21:22, DEAN & KAREN TREARCHIS wrote: > I have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name > was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray, > Cornwall is? I can't seem to find it in Cornwall. Also, what district > would it be in. I was looking in the 1837-... birth records. Thanks. > They left England in 1866 to come to Massachusetts. Parents were of > Irish descent, unsure if father and mother were born in Ireland, > England or Wales. There names were Peter (1832)and Johanna (Jordan) > Moore(1843). Thank. > Karen T.

< Does anyone know where Bray, Cornwall is?> And there's Brea and Carn Brae between Redruth and Camborne. Tom Thompson, St Agnes.

Hi Karen You could start by looking for the marriage of Peter Moore & Johanna Jordan FreeBMD has a candidate marriage 1862 Jun Redruth 5c 480 birth reg's for a William Moore look a little more elusive There is a William Lawrence Moore 1863 Sep in Falmouth (that could fit your birthdate) or a William Albert Moore in 1862 Dec in Redruth or a William Williams Moore in 1864 Dec in Redruth Mark Hattam -- On 7 Mar 2010, at 21:22, DEAN & KAREN TREARCHIS wrote: > I have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name > was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray, > Cornwall is? I can't seem to find it in Cornwall. Also, what district > would it be in. I was looking in the 1837-... birth records. Thanks. > They left England in 1866 to come to Massachusetts. Parents were of > Irish descent, unsure if father and mother were born in Ireland, > England or Wales. There names were Peter (1832)and Johanna (Jordan) > Moore(1843). Thank. > Karen T.

I couldn't see a birth registration for William MOORE in Cornwall JUN 1863 on FreeBMD but the marriage of Peter MOORE and Johanna JORDAN was registered Redruth district Jun 1862 5c 480.  If you obtain the marriage certificate it will give the names of their fathers. Joanna Jordan is on the 1861 census at Brea, Illogan (see www.freecen.org.uk) and has birthplace Ireland.  Brea is pronounced bray so is probably where William was born.  Couldn't find Peter Moore born 1832 in the 1861 census. Joy ________________________________ From: DEAN & KAREN TREARCHIS <dktrearchis@comcast.net> To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 7 March, 2010 21:22:57 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Bray, Cornwall,England I have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name  was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray,  Cornwall is? I can't seem to find it in Cornwall. Also, what district  would it be in. I was looking in the 1837-... birth records. Thanks. They left England in 1866 to come to Massachusetts. Parents were of  Irish descent, unsure if father and mother were born in Ireland,  England or Wales. There names were Peter (1832)and Johanna (Jordan)  Moore(1843). Thank. Karen T. ------------------------------- Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's also Breage (pronounced Bray) in Helston Reg district. Kay Halley -------Original Message------- From: Tom Hill Date: 07/03/2010 21:46:49 To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Bray, Cornwall,England there is a Brea (pronounced Bray) in the parish of Sennen. A Quaker burial ground is there. Tom Hill St Just & Sennen mongrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN & KAREN TREARCHIS" <dktrearchis@comcast.net> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Bray, Cornwall,England >I have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name > was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray, > Cornwall is? I can't seem to find it in Cornwall. Also, what district > would it be in. I was looking in the 1837-... birth records. Thanks. > They left England in 1866 to come to Massachusetts. Parents were of > Irish descent, unsure if father and mother were born in Ireland, > England or Wales. There names were Peter (1832)and Johanna (Jordan) > Moore(1843). Thank. > Karen T. > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2728 - Release Date: 03/07/10 07:34:00 ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Possibly Kelly Bray Callington ? Mac McCarthy ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN & KAREN TREARCHIS" <dktrearchis@comcast.net> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Bray, Cornwall,England >I have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name > was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray, > Cornwall is? I can't seem to find it in Cornwall. Also, what district > would it be in. I was looking in the 1837-... birth records. Thanks. > They left England in 1866 to come to Massachusetts. Parents were of > Irish descent, unsure if father and mother were born in Ireland, > England or Wales. There names were Peter (1832)and Johanna (Jordan) > Moore(1843). Thank. > Karen T. > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

there is a Brea (pronounced Bray) in the parish of Sennen. A Quaker burial ground is there. Tom Hill St Just & Sennen mongrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN & KAREN TREARCHIS" <dktrearchis@comcast.net> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Bray, Cornwall,England >I have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name > was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray, > Cornwall is? I can't seem to find it in Cornwall. Also, what district > would it be in. I was looking in the 1837-... birth records. Thanks. > They left England in 1866 to come to Massachusetts. Parents were of > Irish descent, unsure if father and mother were born in Ireland, > England or Wales. There names were Peter (1832)and Johanna (Jordan) > Moore(1843). Thank. > Karen T. > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2728 - Release Date: 03/07/10 07:34:00

This is a question that someone else had a few days ago. Get the reference and order the certificate with the reference. Here is the answer that I gave at that time: It is really easy, even from the USA. Go to their website at http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevents/index.htm Then click on "order certificates online." Then just follow the instructions. Get the reference for the marriage from the BMD index where you find the year, the quarter, the registration district, the volume, and the page number (Free BMD or Ancestry, etc.) in order to get the cheapest rate. It will cost £7.00 (until next month when the price is going up a bit) with the reference, but more if you do not supply the reference (be CERTAIN that you tick the box on the form that you have the reference, because if you do not check the box you will be charged £10 even if you supply the reference). They use World Pay from the Bank of Scotland, and it is a secure site. All that you need is a VISA or MasterCard and they will convert the currency for you and charge it to your card. You do not need to know the exchange rate (which changes every day). It is very easy, safe and secure. You will receive the certificate in about 2 weeks (a week for them to process your order and about a week for airmail from the UK). The postage is included in the fee. The current exchange is about £1 for $1.50, so it will cost less than $11.00. I order so many (sometimes 2 or 3 in a single day) that I keep the address bookmarked on my computer, and it really is quite easy. NEVER use a 3rd party, such as Ancestry, as they will add fees that will triple the price. Always order directly from the GRO. David Coppin ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN & KAREN TREARCHIS" <dktrearchis@comcast.net> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Peter Moore & Johanna Jordan,son William and daughter Annie Frances Now my next question, I guess I need a marriage certificate so I can see if there are the parents names of the Bride and Groom. Do I order it directly from the Genral Register Office in London? This is what they say: Q2. How much does it cost to order a birth, death or marriage certificate online? Standard service Full certificate with GRO index reference supplied £7.00 Full certificate £10.00 Additional full certificate issued at same time £7.00 Which one do I order Full certificate or full cert. with GRO index reference ? This sounds much cheaper than ancestry they want 20.00 euros.

Glynis How wonderful you have items passed down in the family from Cornwall. Graham is also onlist and will perhaps see your post but I will contact him too. If anyone on list has any of these Bible Christian Magazines, Graham and I would welcome transcribers. Cheers Rita Bone Kopp OPC St Stephen in Brannel and St Mewan http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~boneplace/index.html Past Co-transcriber and current webmaster for West Briton newspaper http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wbritonad/ Co-transcriber and webmaster for Bible Christen Magazine http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~biblechristianmag/title.html Transcriber for the CRO Tithes indexing project and OPC Database ----- Original Message ----- From: <cornish-gen-request@rootsweb.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:00 AM Subject: CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 101 > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fw: BIBLE CHRISTIAN SUNDAY SCHOOL (Clay Glyn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:15:13 +0200 > From: "Clay Glyn" <kwikmark@telkomsa.net> > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Fw: BIBLE CHRISTIAN SUNDAY SCHOOL > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003901cabdac$c91dd300$0300000a@glynispc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glynis > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:28 PM > Subject: BIBLE CHRISTIAN SUNDAY SCHOOL > > > Hi Rita, > > I have just looked at your website links and see that you are a > Co-transcriber and webmaster for Bible Christen Magazine. > > My decendanta come from Camborne and my gt gt grandfather William COCK was > a Superintendent in and around 1903 for the Bible Christian Sunday School > in Camborne. > > I have two books in my possession presented to my grandfather William > James COCK called "One and All" a autobiography of Sir Richard TANGYE and > another book "The Swiss Family Robinson" which was presented by the Bible > Christian Sunday School to him. > > I also have a book on Billy BRAY by F.W. BOURNE called "The King's Son", A > memoir of Billy BRAY" > > When my COCK family came out to South Africa in the early 1920's they > still had very strong connections with the family back in Camborne. They > brought these books and others out which I eventually inherited. > > My father was born in SA, his name was William Leslie Ernest COCK. His > sister Dorothy Tremecna COCK received a book from "The United Methodist > Church" in 1921, Trelowarren Street. > > If I go through the shelves in my home, I most probable will find other > books from Cornwall. > > I have been lead to believe that William COCK (my gt gt grandfather) was > also a Lay Preacher, but not sure when. When he died on 31 July 1931 - > see write up: > > "Mr. COCK was also one of the first members of the Camborne Volunteer Fire > Brigade which was formed many years ago under Capt. Joshia ROWE. > > > > He was connected with the old Bible Christian Chapel of which he filled > many offices. Having been steward, Sunday school secretary and > superintendent and a member of the choir for 60 years. When the Bible > Christian Chapel closed down, he became associated with the Trelowarren > Street U.M.F. Church. > > > > The funeral was conducted by the rector Rev. G.B. Hooper." > > > > When his wife Arabelle COCK (nee THOMAS) died (my gt gt grandmother) the > notice in the paper was: > > "The FUNERAL OF Mrs ARABELLA COCK, aged 94 OF 27 VYVYAN STREET, CAMBORNE > TOOK PLACE ON 18 SEPTEMBER 1936 AT THE Camborne Parish Churchyard. The > Rev. A.A. Clinnick (curate) officiated." I also have more details on her > obituary, who attended, bearers etc. > > > > Just thought I would share this with the list. > > > > Regards, > > Glynis MILLETT-CLAY (nee COCK) > > South Africa. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CORNISH-GEN list administrator, send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CORNISH-GEN mailing list, send an email to > CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 101 > ******************************************* > >

I have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray, Cornwall is? I can't seem to find it in Cornwall. Also, what district would it be in. I was looking in the 1837-... birth records. Thanks. They left England in 1866 to come to Massachusetts. Parents were of Irish descent, unsure if father and mother were born in Ireland, England or Wales. There names were Peter (1832)and Johanna (Jordan) Moore(1843). Thank. Karen T.

Could someone who has full access to the 1911 Census do a look up for me please. I've found that a Miss E Cowling lived at 137 Lymington Avenue, Noel Park, London, N. in 1911 and would like to know if she is one of our family COWLING. Was her name Ellen, and if so, who else lived there? Many thanks, Tom Thompson, St Agnes.

There are a number of possibilities, but no specific town by that name with that spelling. The old pronunciation of Breage was "brayg" (but more likely to be pronounced "breeg" now) which is a possibility. There is a Bray Shop northwest of Callington, and I suspect that the name Bray, which is common in Cornwall may be attached to other farms or properties. Then you have Brea, with the most well known being "Carn Brea" very near Redruth, and just west of there, almost to Cambourn is a small hamlet named Brea (pronounced "bray"). If they were from "Bray" I would think that "Brea" just east of Cambourn is your most probable location. During the time 1837-1866 it would be in the Redruth Registration District. David Coppin ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEAN & KAREN TREARCHIS" <dktrearchis@comcast.net> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:22 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Bray, Cornwall,England >I have an ancestor who was born in Bray, Cornwall, England. His name > was William Moore born May 3, 1863. Does anyone know where Bray, > Cornwall is? I can't seem to find it in Cornwall. Also, what district > would it be in. I was looking in the 1837-... birth records. Thanks. > They left England in 1866 to come to Massachusetts. Parents were of > Irish descent, unsure if father and mother were born in Ireland, > England or Wales. There names were Peter (1832)and Johanna (Jordan) > Moore(1843). Thank. > Karen T. > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It sounds like a lovely exposition of liberal thinking at the time - could we please, please have the whole explanation? :-) Clare jwmos99@msn.com wrote: > > An explanation as to why I didn't film the BMDs, or Local Intelligence, for this issue!!! > > 3 JANUARY 1851 - > PRISCA FIDIS > > We present our readers to day with the first number of the West Briton in a greatly enlarged form - and an event of so much importance in our career at once gives an especial emphasis to our new year's greetings, and furnished us with a fitting opportunity of taking a more enlarged review than usual of the past, and of imparting to our readers some idea of our intention for the future. > > The West Briton has now existed for rather more than forty years, a tolerably satisfactory proof of the value of its services to the cause of Liberal politics. It was started at a time when to be suspected of any leaning towards constitutional progress, any sympathy with the cause of the people, or any dissatisfaction, however slight, with things as they were, was sufficient to place a man under the ban of social proscription, was almost certain to make him the butt of calumny, and in all probability to expose him to injustice and oppression. The prevailing character of British statesmanship at the time was imbecility, its great actuating principle was a vague, stupid, ignorant fear of popular feeling and liberal views. > > [and so on, in the same vein, maintaining that those in power so feared 'revolution' they would not allow any questions, or opinions, that differed from theirs. I simply couldn't find the Local Intelligence section, or the BMDS, and I did try.] > > .................................... > > WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER > JANUARY 3, 1851 > > > CORNWALL EPIPHANY SESSIONS > > > FRANCIS GLANVILLE, Esq., of Catchfrench, qualified as a county magistrate. > > The following gentlemen were sworn on the Grand Jury: > > Mr. John Ball Smith, St. Stephens in Branwell, foreman > Mr. Jonathan Baron, Bodmin > Mr. James Brabyn, St. Kew > Mr. William Clogg, St. Martins > Mr. Walter Cock, Luxulyan > Mr. William Cook, St. Martins > Mr. William Dawe, Morval > Mr. Giles L. Hawken, st. Teath > Mr. Nicholas Higgs, Lanlivery > Mr. Jonathan Hill, St. Martins > Mr. Thomas Jane, Lanhydrock > Mr. John Lakeman, Egloshayle > Mr. William Huddy Littleton, Lanlivery > Mr. Joseph Michell, Gorran > Mr. George Morcom, St. Austell > Mr. Richard Oliver, Morval > Mr. John Pearce, Tywardreath > Mr. John Rundell, Luxulyan > Mr. Wm. Rundell, Tywardreath > Mr. Alexander Stephens, St. Mewan > Mr. John Trevaile, Luxulyan > Mr. John Trevenen, St. Sampsons > Mr. W. Henry Trounce, St. Ewe > > The proclamation against vice and immorality was then read... > > > > TRIALS OF PRISONERS > > HUGH HOLLINSHEAD, 42, pleaded GUILTY of stealing, on the 27th of December, at the parish of > Tywardreath, a coat, neckerchief, bag, and knife, the property of RICHARD NETHERTON. Three > Months' hard labour. > > THOMAS ROWSE was charged with stealing, at the parish of St. Austell, on the 5th of December, two > jars, and about four gallons of brandy, the property of William OLVER. Mr. SHILSON prosecuted, and > MR. STOKES defended the prisoner. Prosecutor is an innkeeper at Mount Charles, in the parish of St. > Austell, and prisoner is a sailor living at Porthpean. On the afternoon of the 6th of December, > prosecutor left his house to go into St. Austell, there remaining in charge of the inn, his wife, daughter, and son, and an apprentice called HOAR being in the workshop. There were two jars of brandy in the bar when prosecutor left, and in the course of the evening his daughter discovered that these had been taken away. > > Suspicion fell on the prisoner, and JOSEPH BENNETT, a constable, being called, he > and Hoar the apprentice, went to prisoner's house at Porthpean, about a mile and half distant, with > the view of apprehending him. It was about ten o'clock at night when they arrived at prisoner's > house. The constable knocked on the door, and prisoner asked who was there? The constable > replied, "a friend." He asked what they wanted, and the constable said "something to drink"; he > asked, what? And the constable said, "a drop of water." After this they heard a bustling inside about the kitchen, and presently afterwards the prisoner opened the door and came out with the jars, with which he went to the garden and threw them out of his hand. The jars contained two gallons of > brandy each, and Mr. Inch's name was on the label. Prisoner was then taken into custody, and > afterwards committed for the offence . > > In prisoner's defence, Mr. Stokes submitted that there was no evidence that he had stolen the jars, > but that they had been placed in his house by some other person; and that the act of carrying the spirit into the garden was done by a drunken man who did not know what he was about, - that in fact the apprentice said he appeared to be tipsy when he came out of the house with the jars. > > Mr. Stokes also called WILLIAM BOND,JOSEPH RICKETT, and two other witnesses, who gave the prisoner a good character. After the Chairman had commented on the case, the jury found the prisoner Guilty.Two months' hard labour. > > WILLIAM JONES , 14, was charged with stealing a fustian jacket, belonging to JOHN GREEN, of Ladock. > Mr. G. COLLINS for the prosecution. On Friday, the 6th of December, prosecutor had taken off his > jacket and placed it on the shafts of a waggon. He saw the prisoner near the place, and afterwards > missing his jacket, he rode after the lad and overtook him near the Blue Anchor. Prisoner was then > wearing prosecutor's jacket, and was taken into custody by constable MENNEAR, of St. Enoder. > Verdict, Guilty - Six Weeks' Hard labour. > > WILLIAM HARRIS, was charged with stealing a fowl, the property of WILLIAM OLVER. Mr. G. COLLINS > conducted the prosecution. Prosecutor keeps the Seven Stars Inn, at St. Columb, and also farms a > tenement about five hundred yards from his house. He has there a linhay in a field, and it was from > that linhay he found on the 27th of October, that two fowls had been stolen since the previous night. > > Opposite to his field was a gate leading to Mr. PAYNTER's field, and behind the post of that gate he > found two heads of fowls, four wings, four legs, and a quantity of feathers. HENRY COOMBE, > policeman, stated that he followed the traces of the feathers, and eventually searched prisoner's > house, where he found some feathers, and he also found a fowl under the back window of the house, > which was not there when he was under that window before. The feathers were sworn to as being > those of the lost fowl, but the jury did not consider the evidence conclusive. Verdict, Not Guilty. A second indictment against the prisoner was withdrawn. > > RICHARD HOCKING, 20, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 3rd of November, at Restronguet Creek, > from the vessel PRIMROSE, a worsted frock, the property of JOHN GOSLING. He also pleaded Guilty > of stealing, on the same day and from the same vessel, eleven sovereigns, the property of THOMAS > HARRIS. For the first offence, Six Months' hard labour, and for the second offence, Two Months' hard > labour. > > JAMES GILL, 18, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 9th of September, at the parish of Wendron, a shirt, belonging to WALTER PASCOE. Three Months' hard labour. > > JOHN OLIVER, 20, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 24th of November, at the parish of St. Austell, a silver watch, the property of ROBERT TERDREA LONG. A second count laid the watch as being the > property of EDWARD ROBERTS. Three Months' hard labour. > > ELIZABETH ROBERTS, 21, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 28th of November, at Liskeard, a silver > teaspoon, and four tumblers, the property of NEHEMIAH HENWOOD. Two Months' hard labour. > > JOHN WILLIAMS, 18, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 16th of November, at the parish of Gwennap, a > a hand-saw, the property of JOSEPH PASCOE. Two Months' hard labour. > > SHEEP STEALING - THOMAS BROWN, 23, WILLIAM ROBINSON, 30, and JAMES HILL, 36, were indicted > for stealing, at the parish of Pelynt, a ewe sheep, the property of JOHN ROSKILLY. Another count > charged the prisoners with killing, with intent to take away the carcase. Mr. CHILDS conducted the > prosecution; the prisoners were undefended. JOHN COCK, the hind of Mr. John Roskilly, stated that > he resided at the farm house on Trendaway estate, in the parish of Pelynt. On the morning of the 1st > of December, he went into one of the fields of the farm, and saw thirty-nine sheep there belonging to Mr. Roskilly; on the morning before he had counted forty sheep in the field. He went to look for the missing sheep, and found the belly, skin, head, neck, and the small part of the fore-legs wrapped up in a corner of the field. The sheep did not appear to have been slaughtered by a butcher; it was not skinned so clean as it ought to have been; the head and neck were left in the skin. He carried home the skin, head, neck and two legs to his master's house. > > In about an hour afterwards, he saw men's tracks in the field, which was then wet, and the marks were to be plainly discerned. One track had seven rows of nails, and other eight, and another had a "diamond". He had before that called a workman to assist him, and also MR. HOOPER, a neighbouring farmer. They examined the tracks and went on following them through Pelynt to Highlane, above Lantundle, in the parish of Duloe, from three to four miles from where they set out. At this place, above Lantundle, they came up to THOMAS BROWN, one of the prisoners, and afterwards saw ROBINSON, another of the prisoners, standing by the hedge, only a few yards from Brown. They also saw JAMES HILL, the third prisoner, coming towards them from the opposite direction. They traced the footmarks, close up to two of those men, and not further on. Brown was standing by a little fire which had been lighted by the hedge. The witness Cock then left the prisoners in charge of the two men who were with him, whilst he went for constable TRUSCOTT. > > It appeared from further evidence, that whilst Mr. Hooper and the other man were left with the prisoners, that a man called STACEY found a smock-frock in some furze not far from where the prisoner Brown was standing; and that when constable Truscott came, the smock-frock was examined, and found to contain two rounds of a leg of mutton, two shoulders, a loin, and some other parts; the ribs, it appeared, had been dressed at the fire. The tracks were afterwards compared with the prisoners' shoes, and the pieces found in the smock-frock corresponded with those found in the field. A labourer called NORTHCOTT also gave evidence to show that the three prisoners were in the field about the time it was believed the sheep were stolen. > > The CHAIRMAN, in summing up , said there could be no doubt that the parts found in the smock-frock and in the field came from the same animal, but were the jury satisfied that the prisoners were connected with the jury smock-frock in which the portions were found? The tracks had been traced up to the prisoners, who it appeared were strangers in this part of the country; and the jury must consider whether they were satisfied with the evidence of those tracks. The Chairman remarked that the manner in which the shoes of Brown were compared with the tracks, was the correct way, namely by making a fresh mark by the side; but as to the other tracks they were compared incorrectly, by putting the shoes into them. The jury found the three prisoners Guilty. They were each sentenced to Twelve Months' hard labour. > > JAMES CONDAR, 20, and JOSHUA WILLIS, 18, were charged with stealing at Stratton, on the 12th of > December, a silk handkerchief from the person of JOHN LYLE. The handkerchief was stolen on > Stratton fair-day. A farmer called ROBERT JONES, saw the prisoner Condar take the handkerchief from > prosecutor's coat pocket, and pass it over to the prisoner Willis. They were afterwards taken into > custody by policeman GODDARD. Verdict, Guilty of stealing from the person. Sentence, each Six > Months' hard labour. > > Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn > Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell > W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad > Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org > I'm a volunteer for FreeCens - why don't you join, too? > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Has anything changed??? Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jwmos99@msn.com Sent: Sunday, 7 March 2010 10:06 AM To: cornish@rootsweb.com; cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly news, 3 January 1851, Quarter Sessions, part 1 An explanation as to why I didn't film the BMDs, or Local Intelligence, for this issue!!!  3 JANUARY 1851 - PRISCA FIDIS We present our readers to day with the first number of the West Briton in a greatly enlarged form - and an event of so much importance in our career at once gives an especial emphasis to our new year's greetings, and furnished us with a fitting opportunity of taking a more enlarged review than usual of the past, and of imparting to our readers some idea of our intention for the future. The West Briton has now existed for rather more than forty years, a tolerably satisfactory proof of the value of its services to the cause of Liberal politics. It was started at a time when to be suspected of any leaning towards constitutional progress, any sympathy with the cause of the people, or any dissatisfaction, however slight, with things as they were, was sufficient to place a man under the ban of social proscription, was almost certain to make him the butt of calumny, and in all probability to expose him to injustice and oppression. The prevailing character of British statesmanship at the time was imbecility, its great actuating principle was a vague, stupid, ignorant fear of popular feeling and liberal views. [and so on, in the same vein, maintaining that those in power so feared 'revolution' they would not allow any questions, or opinions, that differed from theirs.  I simply couldn't find the Local Intelligence section, or the BMDS, and I did try.] .................................... WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER JANUARY 3, 1851 CORNWALL  EPIPHANY  SESSIONS  FRANCIS GLANVILLE, Esq., of Catchfrench, qualified as a county magistrate. The following gentlemen were sworn on the Grand Jury: Mr. John Ball Smith, St. Stephens in Branwell, foreman Mr. Jonathan Baron, Bodmin Mr. James Brabyn, St. Kew Mr. William Clogg, St. Martins Mr. Walter Cock, Luxulyan Mr. William Cook, St. Martins Mr. William Dawe, Morval  Mr. Giles L. Hawken, st. Teath Mr. Nicholas Higgs, Lanlivery Mr. Jonathan Hill, St. Martins Mr. Thomas Jane, Lanhydrock Mr. John Lakeman, Egloshayle Mr. William Huddy Littleton, Lanlivery Mr. Joseph Michell, Gorran Mr. George Morcom, St. Austell Mr. Richard Oliver, Morval   Mr. John Pearce, Tywardreath  Mr. John Rundell, Luxulyan   Mr. Wm. Rundell, Tywardreath Mr. Alexander Stephens, St. Mewan Mr. John Trevaile, Luxulyan Mr. John Trevenen, St. Sampsons Mr. W. Henry Trounce, St. Ewe The proclamation against vice and immorality was then read... TRIALS OF PRISONERS HUGH HOLLINSHEAD, 42, pleaded GUILTY of stealing, on the 27th of December, at the parish of Tywardreath, a coat, neckerchief, bag, and knife, the property of RICHARD NETHERTON. Three Months' hard labour. THOMAS ROWSE was charged with stealing, at the parish of St. Austell, on the 5th of December, two jars, and about four gallons of brandy, the property of William OLVER. Mr. SHILSON prosecuted, and MR. STOKES defended the prisoner. Prosecutor is an innkeeper at Mount Charles, in the parish of St. Austell, and prisoner is a sailor living at Porthpean. On the afternoon of the 6th of December, prosecutor left his house to go into St. Austell, there remaining in charge of the inn, his wife, daughter, and son, and an apprentice called HOAR being in the workshop. There were two jars of brandy in the bar when prosecutor left, and in the course of the evening his daughter discovered that these had been taken away.  Suspicion fell on the prisoner, and JOSEPH BENNETT, a constable, being called, he and Hoar the apprentice, went to prisoner's house at Porthpean, about a mile and half distant, with the view of apprehending him. It was about ten o'clock at night when they arrived at prisoner's house. The constable knocked on the door, and prisoner asked who was there?  The constable replied, "a friend."  He asked what they wanted, and the constable said "something to drink"; he asked, what? And the constable said, "a drop of water."  After this they heard a bustling inside about the kitchen, and presently afterwards the prisoner opened the door and came out with the jars, with which he went to the garden and threw them out of his hand. The jars contained two gallons of brandy each, and Mr. Inch's name was on the label. Prisoner was then taken into custody, and afterwards committed for the offence . In prisoner's defence, Mr. Stokes submitted that there was no evidence that he had stolen the jars, but that they had been placed in his house by some other person; and that the act of carrying the spirit into the garden was done by a drunken man who did not know what he was about, - that in fact the apprentice said he appeared to be tipsy when he came out of the house with the jars. Mr. Stokes also called WILLIAM BOND,JOSEPH RICKETT, and two other witnesses, who gave the prisoner a good character. After the Chairman had commented on the case, the jury found the prisoner Guilty.Two months' hard labour. WILLIAM JONES , 14, was charged with stealing a fustian jacket, belonging to JOHN GREEN, of Ladock. Mr. G. COLLINS for the prosecution. On Friday, the 6th of December, prosecutor had taken off his jacket and placed it on the shafts of a waggon. He saw the prisoner near the place, and afterwards missing his jacket, he rode after the lad and overtook him near the Blue Anchor. Prisoner was then wearing prosecutor's jacket, and was taken into custody by constable MENNEAR, of St. Enoder. Verdict, Guilty - Six Weeks' Hard labour. WILLIAM HARRIS, was charged  with stealing a fowl, the property of WILLIAM OLVER. Mr. G. COLLINS conducted the prosecution. Prosecutor keeps the Seven Stars Inn, at St. Columb, and also farms a tenement about five hundred yards from his house. He has there a linhay in a field, and it was from that linhay he found on the 27th of October, that two fowls had been stolen since the previous night. Opposite to his field was a gate leading to Mr. PAYNTER's field, and behind the post of that gate he found two heads of fowls, four wings, four legs, and a quantity of feathers. HENRY COOMBE, policeman, stated that he followed the traces of the feathers, and eventually searched prisoner's house, where he found some feathers, and he also found a fowl under the back window of the house, which was not there when he was under that window before. The feathers were sworn to as being those of the lost fowl, but the jury did not consider the evidence conclusive. Verdict, Not Guilty. A second indictment against the prisoner was withdrawn. RICHARD HOCKING, 20, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 3rd of November, at Restronguet Creek, from the vessel PRIMROSE, a worsted frock, the property of JOHN GOSLING. He also pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the same day and from the same vessel, eleven sovereigns, the property of THOMAS HARRIS. For the first offence, Six Months' hard labour, and for the second offence, Two Months' hard labour. JAMES GILL, 18, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 9th of September, at the parish of Wendron, a shirt, belonging to WALTER PASCOE. Three Months' hard labour. JOHN OLIVER, 20, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 24th of November, at the parish of St. Austell, a silver watch, the property of ROBERT TERDREA LONG. A second count laid the watch as being the property of EDWARD ROBERTS. Three Months' hard labour. ELIZABETH ROBERTS, 21, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 28th of November, at Liskeard, a silver teaspoon, and four tumblers, the property of NEHEMIAH HENWOOD. Two Months' hard labour. JOHN WILLIAMS, 18, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 16th of November, at the parish of Gwennap, a a hand-saw, the property of JOSEPH PASCOE. Two Months' hard labour. SHEEP STEALING -  THOMAS BROWN, 23, WILLIAM ROBINSON, 30, and JAMES HILL, 36, were indicted for stealing, at the parish of Pelynt, a ewe sheep, the property of JOHN ROSKILLY. Another count charged the prisoners with killing, with intent to take away the carcase. Mr. CHILDS conducted the prosecution; the prisoners were undefended. JOHN COCK, the hind of Mr. John Roskilly, stated that he resided at the farm house on Trendaway estate, in the parish of Pelynt. On the morning of the 1st of December, he went into one of the fields of the farm, and saw thirty-nine sheep there belonging to Mr. Roskilly; on the morning before he had counted forty sheep in the field. He went to look for the missing sheep, and found the belly, skin, head, neck, and the small part of the fore-legs wrapped up in a corner of the field. The sheep did not appear to have been slaughtered by a butcher; it was not skinned so clean as it ought to have been; the head and neck were left in the skin.  He carried home the skin, head, neck and two legs to his master's house. In about an hour afterwards, he saw men's tracks in the field, which was then wet, and the marks were to be plainly discerned. One track had seven rows of nails, and other  eight, and another had a "diamond". He had before that called a workman to assist him, and also MR. HOOPER, a neighbouring farmer. They examined the tracks and went on following them through Pelynt to Highlane, above Lantundle, in the parish of Duloe, from three to four miles from where they set  out.  At this place, above Lantundle, they came up to THOMAS BROWN, one of the prisoners, and afterwards saw ROBINSON, another of the prisoners, standing by the hedge, only a few yards from Brown. They also saw JAMES HILL, the third prisoner, coming towards them from the opposite direction. They traced the footmarks, close up to two of those men, and not further on. Brown was standing by a little fire which had been lighted by the hedge. The witness Cock then left the prisoners in charge of the two men who were with him, whilst he went for constable TRUSCOTT. It appeared from further evidence, that whilst Mr. Hooper and the other man were left with the prisoners, that a man called STACEY found a smock-frock in some furze not far from where the prisoner Brown was standing; and that when constable Truscott came, the smock-frock was examined, and found to contain two rounds of a leg of mutton, two shoulders, a loin, and some other parts; the ribs, it appeared, had been dressed at the fire. The tracks were afterwards compared with the prisoners' shoes, and the pieces found in the smock-frock corresponded with those found in the field. A labourer called NORTHCOTT  also gave evidence to show that the three prisoners were in the field about the time it was believed the sheep were stolen. The CHAIRMAN, in summing up , said there could be no doubt that the parts found in the smock-frock and in the field came from the same animal, but were the jury satisfied that the prisoners were connected with the jury  smock-frock in which the portions were found?  The tracks had been traced up to the prisoners, who it appeared were strangers in this part of the country; and the jury must consider whether they were satisfied with the evidence of those tracks. The Chairman remarked that the manner in which the shoes of Brown were compared with the tracks, was the correct way, namely by making a fresh mark by the side; but as to the other tracks they were compared incorrectly, by putting the shoes into them. The jury found the three prisoners Guilty. They were each sentenced to Twelve Months' hard labour. JAMES CONDAR, 20, and JOSHUA WILLIS, 18, were charged with stealing at Stratton, on the 12th of December, a silk handkerchief from the person of JOHN LYLE. The handkerchief was stolen on Stratton fair-day. A farmer called ROBERT JONES, saw the prisoner Condar take the handkerchief from prosecutor's coat pocket, and pass it over to the prisoner Willis. They were afterwards taken into custody by policeman GODDARD. Verdict, Guilty of stealing from the person. Sentence, each Six Months' hard labour. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org I'm a volunteer for FreeCens - why don't you join, too? ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To get an approximate idea of the cost to you in US dollars use an online currency convertor, such as www.xe.com. The rate might be a tad different when you actually 'buy' from the UK - the rates change from day-to-day, etc. - but it will be pretty close. At the current rate 7UKpounds = $US10.6025. Cheers

Melibob, Do what I do, send money to a good friend in England and let 'em do it:) Bev who does not have internet banking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meli" <melibob4@texasbb.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:51 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Thanks, Joanne in Toronto on Withiel~Thomas reply > Hi, Joanne and listers, > > Thanks so much for your suggestions in reply to my query about JOHN > THOMAS > and EDITH PHILLIPS' marriage that was posted here. First . let me say > that I have contacted the Withel One Name Study, since that has been a > topic > of interest, lately! LOL > > Secondly, I am thrilled to know that info about where they married and > that > gives me some new leads. I am really learning my English geography as I > pursue my Cornish rellies! And you have suggested I order a marriage > certificate for Edith and John. Great Idea! but....... > > Now, all of you are going to laugh your heads off, I know, but I have > never > ordered a record from the GRO nor the CRO, etc....and don't even know how > to > begin, although several of you have suggested I do so and even told me > how, > probably. I don't know how to figure the cost from English money to > American dollars so don't know what it costs. > > So, I will try to follow someone's next suggestion to the letter! > > Texas~sized hugs to all! > > Melibob > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2725 - Release Date: 03/05/10 19:34:00

Thanks, I did not know that one could use wild card on the OPC Data base. Thankfully the name EDMONDS is not to bad. The most unusual has been EDMENCE, and I can see how that came about. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara OConnor" <maurie777@ozemail.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Search Symbols used in Peter's e-mails re ODGERS > Peter is using % as a wild card - in his case, meaning O(any letter)G(any > letter)R. > > To search for Edmonds, for example, using edm%nd would bring up a couple > of > different spellings, such as Edmond/Edmund. If you entered edm%ond%, you > would get the variations already mentioned, and different endlings - > s/son/etc. > > At a time when a lot of people were not well versed in reading and > writing, > the spelling of the a name often depended on how the clerical person > thought > it should be spelt. > > Cheers > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2725 - Release Date: 03/05/10 19:34:00