WEST BRITON and CORNWALL ADVERTISER - ASSIZES, part 2 (4 April 1851) SHEEP STEALING - JOHN RICHARDS, 23, a young farmer, was charged with stealing, on or about the 21`st of November, at Polladras Downs, in the parish of Breage, two ewes, the property of JONATHAN PELLER. Mr. Holdsworthy conducted the prosecution, and Mr. SLADE the defence. -JONATHAN PELLER deposed: I live at Polladras Downs, in Breage. On the 21st of November I missed two ewe sheep from those Downs; one of them had been on the Downs five years, and the other two years. I made diligent inquiry, but could not find them until the 12th of March. On that day I went to Mr. HOSKIN's, at Crebor, with my mother. I saw a good many sheep there and recognized my two ewes. The old ewe had a slit in her right ear, one black spot, and a dark face. The young one had a slit in the right ear, and three black spots in the same ear. On the 12th of March I saw prisoner at Mr. Hoskin's, and Mr. Hoskin, in his presence, said he bought the ewes of him (Richards). Richards said he had reared them. On Sunday the 16th of March I went with the constable SAMPSON to Hoskin's, and he took the ewes in custody; and on the following day they were produced by Sampson before the magistrates. Cross-examined: I had four sheep on the common. I don't know how many sheep were there; not more than a score I should think. There were other commons adjoining; but the sheep were kept on one common. The sheep were mine, and not my father's; they were given me by my brother; I am a miner. When I was at Hoskin's, the prisoner continued to state that the sheep were his. -MARY PELLER, mother of prosecutor, and who had been accustomed to see the ewes, corroborated his evidence; as did also THOMAS HOSKIN, farmer of Crebor. Mr. Hoskin also stated that he lived about a mile and a half from Peller. On the 10th of December, he bought six ewes of prisoner, and one afterwards. After Pellar had, on the 12th of March, owned two of the sheep, he (Hoskin) insisted on the prisoner's taking back the four other sheep. The remaining two, that had been claimed by Peller, witness kept, and afterwards delivered them to Sampson, the constable. Cross-examination: He lived about a mile from prisoner, who lived with his father-in-law. Had known the prisoner from a lad and never heard any thing against him. The sale on the 10th of Dec. was openly done, and witness gave more for the ewes than he would if he had to buy them again. He turned them out into the field publicly, the prisoner not objecting to that course. When Peller came to inquire about the ewes he and witness had a dispute about the mark; witness had had the ewes for months and could not see any marks on them. By the Judge - Peller did not say anything about the marks before he saw the sheep. -WILLIAM SAMPSON, constable of Breage, deposed: I apprehended the prisoner on Saturday the 15th of March at Penzance. I found him in an upstairs room at the house of JAMES ROWE. I found the prisoner in the window place, where he appeared to be trying to get out. The window was partly open. I held my staff over his head, took him by the collar, and told him he was my prisoner. He gave a sigh, and said "I suppose I must go with you." On going down stairs, he said "Lord, have mercy upon me; what shall I do?" Just as he came to the foot of the stairs, he made a desperate leap and attempted to rescue himself, the outer door being about five feet from the foot of the stairs. I then caught him and threw him into the kitchen. I then got assistance from the Penzance policeman, and we took him to the station and handcuffed him. Some time afterwards, in passing through Breage, I having occasion to keep two other persons in custody, the Penzance policeman alone took prisoner in custody, and in a short time I heard a cry "Stop thief." I looked back and saw the prisoner running, with his handcuffs on, and the Penzance policeman and others running after him. After he was caught, I proposed to have the prisoner and his uncle Rowe handcuffed together. About a mile and a half out of Penzance, on the way to Breage, prisoner said "I shall be forced to leave this country; I shall never see this country more; do you think I shall?" I made no reply. About four o'clock on the Sunday morning, I gave him in charge to the Helston constable, CHAPPEL. Cross-examined: I and Richards had previously had a dispute about a sheep. -RICHARD CHAPPEL, constable of Helston: The prisoner was given into my custody on Sunday morning the 16th of March about four o'clock. While I had him in custody he asked me if I knew how many were coming against him. I told him I did not know. He then said "I may as well plead guilty as innocent; I am sure to be transported; it is a bad job." -JOSEPH JAMES: I live at Penhale in Breage, near the prosecutor, and have very often seen his two ewes. I saw them before the magistrates on the 17th of March, and knew them to be the prosecutor's. -THOMAS SIMMONS: I live at Polladras Downs. I was before the magistrates on the 17th of March, and saw two ewes produced. I knew the old one by its marks and features. She had been mine for five years before June last, and I sold her to JOSEPH PELLER the father of JONATHAN PELLER, the prosecutor. Since that I have seen her frequently on Polladras Downs. Mr. SLADE addressed the jury for the defence. He alleged that there was an insufficient proof of identity of the sheep, and of felonious intent on the part of the prisoner, urging that the question was one merely of mistake or disputed right as touching sheep wandering over extensive commons, together with others belonging to various owners. Mr. Slade also spoke of the good character prisoner had received from one of the witnesses for the prosecution. The learned Judge carefully summed up, and the jury returned a verdict of GUILTY. There were five other indictments against the same prisoner; but they were not proceeded with. On Saturday the prisoner was placed at the bar to receive sentence, and the Judge addressed him as follows: John Richards, you have been convicted of sheep-stealing, and under circumstances which leave no doubt whatever that not only on the occasion in question, but on several others, you were guilty of the crime of sheep-stealing, and you appear to have availed yourself of a respectable condition in life to commit crimes under the cover of that respectability. The charge on which you have been convicted is only one of several against you which remained to be tried; and the circumstances disclosed at the trial leave no doubt that the occasion which led to your detection and conviction was only part of a general system of depredation. The sentence of the court is that you be Transported for a period of Twenty Years. .... JOSEPH ____, 20, a man of colour, was indicted for stealing, on the 2nd of February, a pair of boots, the property of WILLIAM SAMMELS, a labourer, at the parish of Antony. Mr. Slade conducted the prosecution. The case was clearly proved by the evidence of prosecutor and a police constable, and by the prisoner's statement before the committing magistrates; and, nothwithstanding the prisoner's statements, enforced with much action: "Me no sabe tell lie - God Almighty give me true, massa me bought the boots, massa - me paid one shilling - me no teef, massa," the jury found him Guilty, and he was sentenced to Three Months' hard labour. ........ WILLIAM JOHNSON, 17, was charged with stealing, on the 4th of December, at Callington, from the person of HANNAH ROGERS, a five shilling piece. Mr. Cole conducted the prosecution. -SAMUEL ROGERS stated that on the 4th of December last, he gave his wife a five shilling piece to go to market with, and that he observed it had a bulge mark on the head. -HANNAH ROGERS stated that she put the five shilling piece in a purse, which she put in her pocket. She went to market to purchase some articles, but did not use the five shilling piece. She afterwards discovered that she had lost her purse and money from her pocket. She had not even seen the prisoner for the day. -BULLEN, constable of Callington, in consequence of information that the prisoner had picked Mrs. Roger's pocket, prsued and apprehended him. He denied having any money; Bullen, on searching his pockets, could not find any, but on searching his hat, found a five shilling piece inside the lining. -ELIJAH NOTWILL proved that he saw prisoner near Mrs. Rogers near the butter-market, and also corroborated the constable's evidence of the apprehension of prisoner and discovery of the coin. The prisoner was found Guilty, and was sentenced to Nine Months' hard labour. ............ A SINGULAR CASE - HENRY RUNDLE was charged with having on the 9th of October, at the parish of St. Mellion, feloniously stabbed JAMES RICKARD, with intent to murder him or do him some grievous bodily harm. Mr. MAYNARD for the prosecution; Mr. SLADE for the defence. Mr. Maynard stated that the prisoner was a domestic servant of the Rector of St. Mellion, the REV. GRANVILLE CORYTON, and had formed an attachment to a fellow servant named MARY ANN JASPER, and in consequence thereof was jealous of the prosecutor Rickard, to whom he supposed Mary Ann Jasper showed more encouragement. It happened that on the 9th of October, Jasper went to Callington on her master's business, and was returning in the evening with some articles she had purchased in a donkey cart, and accompanied by Rickard, with whom she was walking behind the cart. As they approached St. Mellion, the woman, being rather fatigued, got into the cart, and Rickard walked behind. While thus proceeding, they were met by Rundle, between whom and Rickard a conversation took place, which led to the assault now complained of. Mr. Maynard concluded his statement by saying that, on the day afterwards, the Rev. Mr. Coryton, from laudable motives, endeavoured to make peace between the parties, and, being aided in this effort by other persons, Rickard was induced to accept a money compensation from Rundle, and to make it up with him. But, notwithstanding that arrangement, when the matter came before the magistrates, the prosecutor was bound over to appear here and give evidence, and he had now appeared in order that he might not forfeit his recognizance. -Mr. Maynard called JAMES RICKARD, who thus stated the particulars of the assault. As we (Mary Ann Jasper and myself) got about one and a half miles from St. Mellion, we met Henry Rundle. As I walked with him, I said, "Henry, what have you said about me?" He answered, "Nothing." I said, "I understand you have said a good deal; you had better keep a civil tongue and have nothing to say about me." Then he gave me a shove and said "I'm not afraid of you." Mary Ann said "what are you quarrelling about now?" I said, "Rundle, you came on purpose to kick this up." He then said again, "I don't care for you." and gave me another shove. I had a little stick in my hand, and I placed it against his hat, and said "If you do that again, I'll give you a rap in the head." At that, he made a blow at me, as I thought with his fist; but I found he had stabbed me in the breast. Mary Ann said, "what's the matter now?" With that, Rundle turned round towards me, and I said "go on, it's all right." I could not pull the dagger out of my side, and I walked back to JOHN GRYLLS's home, and John Grylls pulled out the dagger. The extent of the wound was about five or six inches. I have received GBP 5 from the prisoner's friends to compromise the matter; and I shook hands with him the next day. The learned Judge here addressed the Counsel for the prosecution on the subject of the compensation; and the result was that the learned Counsel declined to offer any further evidence, stating that after the arrangement made between the parties, the only object in bringing it on was to save the recognizances. The learned Judge, after speaking of the distinction in respect of the alleged compromise, between this case and one of robbery, sanctioned the arrangement, and directed a verdict of Acquittal. ................ A HINT TO MAGISTRATES - On returning the last lot of bills, the Hon. G. M. FORTESCUE, as foreman of the grand jury, said he begged to draw his lordship's attention to the fact that there were eight bills relating to one prisoner. These had delayed the grand jury a very long time, and probably would put the county to very considerable expense. The Judge said he had already that day remarked on a similar case. If on a man's being apprehended it turned out that he had committed ten or twenty offences, there was not the slightest reason why he should be indicted for them all. Some judicious selection should be made on the leading cases, to be brought before the grand jury. So again, if there was one transaction, it ought not be divided into several offences, and charged in many indictments. He had observed that morning, that in a case where a gun had been directed against several persons, there was an indictment for shooting one person, and then for shooting another. Mr. Fortescue asked if it was in the province of the grand jury to make such a selection as his lordship had suggested. The learned Judge said no, certainly not; it should be made by the committing magistrates, or by the magistrate's clerk, or whoever takes on him to conduct the prosecution. ............. FRIDAY, MARCH 28 JAMES TREGONING, 25, pleaded Guilty of having broken and entered the dwelling-house of JOSEPH COAD, at Lanhydrock, and of stealing three bundles of clothes, a watch chain, knife, and sevenpence, the property of WILLIAM and JOSEPH COAD. He also pleaded Guilty of having been formerly convicted of felony. Eighteen Months' hard labour. ............... JOSEPH PONISI, 20, was indicted for feloniously assaulting JOHN VENTON on the highway, stealing from his person, and immediately before and after the robbery using violence. MR. COLLIER was for the prosecution, and MR. COLE for the prisoner. -JOHN VENTON, the prosecutor, stated that he was a tin streamer, lives near St. Austell; was in that town on the 1st of February; was in Mrs. BOASE's public house from nine to eleven that night. Prisoner was there and asked me to change a sovereign. I took out money for that purpose. He then said it did not matter, and I put the change in my pocket again. I had been drinking that night. I left Mrs. Boase's about eleven o'clock. Had missed my brother in the town, and prisoner said he would show me the way to my brother's house at Truan, some distance from St. Austell. When we had got a little way from Mrs. Boase's another man came out of a passage. We three went down the Mevagissey road to St. Austell Moor. I said we had gone too far down for the road to Truan. The other man then said "Joe I twig the move," and prisoner then knocked me down, and kicked me; prisoner took threepence from me, saying he would have my money or my life. He took the money out of my left trouser's pocket; the other man helped to search my pockets. The money I showed at the public house I had put in a pocket up under my arm; they did not find that pocket, but searched all the others. When prisoner said "I'll have your money or your life" I screeched "Murder" and ran towards the river, and then met the policeman. Cross-examined: My brother and I had drunk three pints of beer that night; I was not drunk; after leaving Mrs. Boase's, met a young woman, but did not go with her. She said "Good night" and I said, "Good night, my dear." Re-examined: I changed my money to my side pocket after I was knocked down. -CHARLES TALLACK, farmer, St. Austell, saw the prisoner and prosecutor going on the road together; afterwards when near the limekiln, heard a person screeching "murder". On going towards the spot saw prisoner and a man with a white jacket. Cross-examined: Prosecutor was very tipsy when I saw him pass with prisoner; prosecutor could not walk straight. -JOHN WESTLAKE, policeman, was at Western-hill near St. Austell on the night in question; another officer named SAMBELLS was with me; met the prosecutor in a very excited state; he called out "murder". He was bleeding from the upper lip, and was wet above the knees. From the description he gave of the robber, I apprehended the prisoner on the following morning in bed. Prisoner said he knew nothing about it, he had not been down that way for the night. He asked what time it occurred; I said just before twelve o'clock; he said he was in bed long before that. I took him to the lock-up. Venton came in and said "that is the man that robbed me, I'll swear to him". Prisoner said "I never saw you before." Prisoner afterwards said prosecutor had asked him the night before to put him on the road to his brother's at Truan; but he knew nothing about the robbery. He said he had met Tallack. Cross-examined: Venton had been drinking, but was not drunk. THOMAS SAMBELLS, policeman: After the prisoner was committed, and I was locking him up, he said, "It was not me that did it, it was MATTHEWS." He said he heard the noise and ran down to see what it was. -MR. COLE, for the defence, contended that prosecutor was assaulted by Matthews because he interfered with the woman he met; that he was drunk at the time and did not know what he was about; that prosecutor was needlessly frightened; and that in fact no robbery was attempted; if it had been he could scarcely have succeeded in shifting his money while on the ground, with two men upon him. Verdict, Guilty of Assault; not guilty of robbery. Sentence, Four Months' hard labour. ......END OF PART 2.......

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I agree. Being nice to people makes us better people. Take care, G. ----- Original Message ----- From: JudithUpton@aol.com To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] apology for email that should have been offlist Personally, I don't think that anyone should be so rude to another person ON or OFF a list. regards Judith Upton Online Parish Clerk for Englishcombe in Somerset, and Bridgerule, Poughill and Poundstock in Cornwall. Find information free of charge for all of Cornwall at www.cornwall-opc.org and for Somerset at www.wsom-opc.org.uk

(for the first time, at least 2 persons plead they were in desperate straights, and were thus driven to crime) WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER April 4 1851 (Part 1 of 5) CORNWALL SPRING ASSIZES (Concluded from our last week's paper) CROWN COURT - Thursday, March 27 Before Chief Baron POLLOCK ANN PLEACE, 40, was charged with stealing a silver watch from the person of THOMAS MORCOM PEARCE, on the 11th of March last. Mr. PETER conducted the prosecution. It appeared that the prisoner had induced prosecutor, who was in a half-drunken state, to accompany her to her house in Liskeard, at a late hour in the night, and while there, he lost his watch. The prosecutor stated that it was stolen directly from his pocket; but the prisoner asserted that the prosecutor having no money with him, gave her the watch to pledge. The prisoner was found GUILTY, and a former conviction was proved against her. She appealed for mercy on the ground of her having a husband and two children, and she hoped to be a better woman in future. She was sentenced to Twelve Months' hard labour. The learned Judge severely reprimanded the prosecutor, for his want of sobriety, his immorality, and carelessness of his own property on the occasion when the robbery took place, and ordered his expenses should be disallowed, and also that he should be called on to pay all other expenses of the prosecution which could properly be thrown upon him. It would be monstrous, he said, that the county should be compelled to pay all the expenses of such a prosecution. .......... JOHN ROBINSON, 26, was charged with having , on the 2nd of March, 1851, stolen a goose, the property of WILLIAM REED, farmer, of Pengreep, in the parish of Gwennap. Mr. ROGERS conducted the prosecution. The prisoner was found GUILTY. He stated that he was an engineer out of employ, and was going to Hayle to seek employment. Sentence, Six Months' hard labour. ......... JANE ANN ROWE, 15, pleaded GUILTY of obtaining under false pretences, two pairs of shoes, the property of JOHN GILES, of Liskeard, with intent to cheat and defraud the said JOHN GILES. Six Weeks' hard labour. ......... DANGEROUS ASSAULT ON A GAMEKEEPER - JOHN MOON, 25, was indicted for shooting at WILLIAM TOWLER with intent to prevent his lawful apprehension. A second count charged an intent to do some grievous bodily harm. Mr. STOCK conducted the prosecution; Mr MAYNARD the defence. Mr. Stock having opened the case, stated that the prosecutor was Mr. GORDON WILLIAM FRANCIS GREGOR, of Trewarthenick, near Tregony, proceeded to examine the following witnesses: -CATHARINE ROBERTS stated that she lived with her mother and father in Tregony, and knew the prisoner. About eleven o'clock in the evening of the 17th of January she saw Moon and three other men pass by her door going out of the town towards Mr. Gregor's. Moon had a gun with him. He is a woodman. After they passed on, she heard them singing. -WILLIAM TOWLER deposed: I am a gamekeeper to Mr. Gregor at Trewarthenick. On the night of the 17th of January, I was out watching with HENRY DENNIS, labourer, who was assisting me. We went to Ruanlanihorne wood. About half-past twelve we heard a gun in the woods. We went toward it, and heard several other shots in the same wood. We went into an adjoining plantation, called Pontey's, inside a gate, and remained there an hour. We heard several shots, the last in Pontey's woods. I saw the flash about sixty yards off. We went across the road into Trethewy Wood, and remained there close to the road about ten minutes. I saw four men pass up inside Pontey's. Two of the four men had guns. I knew only Moon; he was one of the two men who had a gun. On their coming out into the road, and going towards Tregony, we came out behind them. A little boy, CHARLES WARNE, aged seventeen, was with Dennis and me. Having got down into the road, we were about fifteen yards from the four men. When they came out of the plantation into the road, we were only about seven yards from them; we were on the hedge of the wood just opposite them, and had full opportunity of seeing their faces. On our getting down into the road, Moon turned round and leveled a gun. I did not say anything to him then. He went on again. I then said, "Good morning, Mr. Moon." He immediately turned round, and leveled his gun at us -at all three of us, I suppose. He fired at where we three were standing close together. Some of the shots struck me round about my clothes; and some of the shots went through Dennis's hat into his forehead. After he fired, he and the other three men went toward Tregony; we did not follow them. The next morning, I gave information to Mr. Gregor; and also went before Mr. Gwatkin, a magistrate. Cross-examined: We did not follow them because we did not have a gun with us, and they were four, and we but three. Before we went into Pontey's plantation, I had heard six or eight guns fired in Ruanlanihorne wood. I did not know any of the other men. Afterwards, the moment I uttered his name, he turned round and fired at me; he was then about twenty-five yards off. The shot came all about me, but I don't know that they penetrated my thick coat. The prisoner lives in Tregony; he is a married man with children; I know him. I had seen Moon three times this season at unseasonable hours and near the wood with a gun. The wood is more than forty acres of cover. I tried to find the men when I heard the firing in the Ruan Wood, but could not find them. I did not recognize Moon till he was out in the road. It was then about two in the morning; I can't say exactly, but when I came into my house, after Dennis was shot, it was three o'clock. I have been gamekeeper and game assistant for twenty-five years. I have not seen the other three men since; Dennis knew them, I believe. I believe they have absconded. Re-examined: It was very bright moonlight. I had full opportunity of seeing Moon's face, and am quite certain of him. He advanced first of the party. -HENRY DENNIS deposed that he was a labourer living in Tregony, and accompanied William Towler on the night of the 17th of January. This witness corroborated the evidence of Towler. Dennis also stated that some of the shots went through his hat, and hit the skin of his forehead, making it bleed. On Christmas eve twelve months, at Bawden's public-house in Tregony, Moon sat down beside me, and said, "Harry, I understand you go out by night." I said, "Yes, I do; but I am paid for it." He said, "D..n the man who ever comes near me by night; if I meet with you, I will blow your bloody head off." -CHARLES WARNE, nephew of Towler, aged about seventeen years, was also out with him on the night in question. He partly corroborated the previous evidence, and added that he was struck by some of the shot. He himself could not positively swear to Moon being the man who fired; but as soon as the four men came out of the gate, Towler and Dennis both said, "That is Moon." -MARY GILL, wife of JOSEPH GILL, at the Red Lion Hotel, Truro, stated that after ten o'clock on Saturday, the 18th of January, Moon came into the Red Lion Tap. There was a man with him who had a bag. Moon asked to be allowed to leave the bag there, and she told him to put it in the inside room. He did not tell her what was in the bag, but it appeared full. He afterwards told her that he had some pheasants to part with; but he did not say they were in the bag, nor where they were. -JOHN PEARCE, postboy at the Red Lion Hotel, stated that he saw Moon at the Tap on the morning of the 18th of January. He said he was a gamekeeper under Mr. Gregor, but if he were a poacher, he would shoot any man who came near him at night. -WILLIAM WOOLCOCK, Truro, policeman, proved that on the 18th of January, he had a warrant for the apprehension of Moon, and went to his residence at Tregony, but could not find him. It was not till the Wednesday week following that he was apprehended. -For the defence, Mr. MAYNARD addressed the jury, suggesting that the evidence ought not to satisfy them that Moon was one of the four men; and next, that even if the evidence as to identity was satisfactory, there was no proof as to the intentions imputed to him in the indictment. After a careful summing up the Jury found the prisoner Guilty on both counts. There were two other indictments against the prisoner - one for shooting at Henry Dennis, and the other for unlawfully entering inclosed land on the 17th of January last, with the other three or more men, with intent to destroy game. No evidence was offered on either of these indictments. The JUDGE asked why there were two indictments on this one transaction. He could understand, if a prisoner was charged with several offences all distinct, why a reasonable number of indictments should be sent up; but here there was but one act. He could not allow the expenses of the prosecution. On Saturday the prisoner was placed at the bar to receive sentence. On being called on by the Clerk of Arraigns, he said, "I have a few words to speak; I hope and trust your lordship will have mercy on me; I have a wife and three small children." The JUDGE said, you have been found guilty of the offence of shooting with intent to do grievous bodily harm. There were some circumstances that occurred in the course of your trial which induced me to direct inquiries to be made, and which have turned out satisfactory. In the course of the trial I entertained some doubt whether you did really intend to do any mischief; and from the report I have had, my doubt as to the mischief you intended to do has been very much increased. You were breaking the laws of your country, and invading that which was the property of another, which did not belong to you; still with reference to the commission of that offence, the probability is that you would not have a charge in your gun which would do grievous mischief at the distance at which you fired; and I am willing to believe that though the offence of which you are guilty calls for punishment, that you did not intend to do the serious mischief that might have resulted from firing at persons with materials to do great mischief. The sentence of the court is, that you be imprisoned for Twelve Calendar Months, and kept to Hard Labour. ....... WILLIAM HARRIS, 25, pleaded Guilty of having, on the 25th of January, obtained by false pretences, a quantity of beef, beer, and bread, from GEORGE DANIEL, eating-house keeper, of Truro. Three Months' Hard Labour. ........ EMILY BERRYMAN pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 18th of November last, at Uny Lelant, a cotton gown, the property of NANNY MORSHEAD. Two Months' hard labour. ........, WILLIAM MATTHEWS, 19, pleaded Guilty on two indictments - one charging him with having stolen a pair of trousers, the property of ROBERT VERCOE, at Truro, and the other charging him with stealing a calico shirt, the property of SAMUEL MUGFORD. Six Months' hard labour. ........ EDWARD SLADE, 50, was charged with stealing, on the 3rd of January, at St. Austell, a brass minute wheel of a clock, the property of HENRY ORCHARD, watch and clock maker. Acquitted. ........ MARY CLEMOW, 19, was found Guilty of stealing on the 10th of March, a gown, the property of MARIA TREBILCOCK, a servant in the employ of MR. WILLIAM ROBERTS, of Cragoes-farm, in the parish of St. Columb Minor. Sentence, One Month's hard labour. ........ WILLIAM SAMUEL COOPER, 31, was indicted for obtaining 5s. from JANE GILL, servant to JOHN ADAMS, of Redruth, by falsely pretending to her that a parcel he gave her contained 2 lbs. of tea. Mr. COLERIDGE conducted the prosecution; Mr. COLE the defense. -ELIZABETH ADAMS, wife of John Adams, stated that the prisoner, about two or three in the afternoon of the 16th of January, came to her house and offered to sell her 2 lbs. of tea for 5s. She agreed to take it; and he told her to send to the London Inn for it. She sent Jane Gill with five shillings to get it. Jane Gill quickly came back with a packet containing saw-dust. That packet she sent to the constable by Jane Gill. On Cross-examination, witness stated in was in consequence of the prisoner's representation to her that she sent the five shillings. -JANE GILL, dressmaker, corroborated the preceding evidence, and, on the production of the parcel in court, identified it, and pointed out the ingenious mode of packing which enabled the prisoner to show her some good tea by breaking the outer paper. The whole quantity of tea was about two spoonfuls. -Mr. Cole, for the defence, submitted to the court that the false pretence charged was the obtaining money from Jane Gill with intent to defraud Elizabeth Adams; but, as he contended, the false pretence proved was made to Mrs. Adams. The learned Judge, without hearing Mr. Coleridge, overruled the objection, observing that for aught that appeared, there was no false pretence to Mrs. Adams - that, in fact, it was quite possible he had with him, a stock of tea, and that if Mrs. Adams herself had gone to the Inn, he would have delivered to her good parcels of tea; but that, when a young girl came to him, he falsely pretended to her that the parcel he gave her contained nothing but tea, whereas nearly the whole of it was sawdust. Mr. Cole then addressed the jury, and suggested in favor of the prisoner, a doubt arising from evidence that another man was with him at the time of his calling on Mrs. Adams. Verdict, Guilty. Sentence, Fifteen Months' Hard Labour. ...... JOSEPH LONG, 30, was charged with having, on the 17th of January, uttered and passed several pieces of counterfeit coin, purporting to be sixpenny pieces, to different persons at Redruth. The prosecution was conducted by Mr. Moody and Mr. Stock. Evidence was given of utterance of counterfeit sixpences on four occasions during the day named; and it was stated that there were three other cases; but the Judge did not think further evidence necessary. Constables TREGONING and HODGE produced three sixpences received from the parties to whom they had been passed by the prisoner; and Tregoning proved that he found at prisoner's lodgings, some plaster of paris, a file, a razor, a piece of clay, a piece of old wire; two good sixpences, and 5 1/2 d. in copper. SAMUEL HOCKING, watch-maker, proved that the coins produced were all of base material; and that plaster of paris was used for making models. Verdict, Guilty. Sentence, Eighteen Months' hard labour. ........END of PART ONE.................. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER APRIL 4 1851 NOTICE I HEREBY GIVE NOTICE that I will not be answerable for any DEBTS my wife MIRIAM CHAPPLE, now residing at Pool, in the parish of Illogan, may contract from this date. CHARLES CHAPPLE, Camborne, April 3, 1851 ........ NOTICE - ALL PERSONS having any DEMANDS on the ESTATE of the late Mr. ROBERT LILLY, Victualler, St. Michael Penkivel, deceased, are requested to send the particulars thereof, within one month from this day to MR. WILLIAM PASCOE, Tregonian, St. Michael Penkivel aforesaid, the Executor in Trust of the deceased; and all PERSONS INDEBTED to the said ESTATE, are requested to pay their several Amounts to the said Mr. Pascoe, within one month from the date hereof. (This will be advertised but once.) Dated, the 2nd day of April, 1851 ........ GENUINE SOUTHHAM CIDER S. BOWDEN and SON have on Sale a choice lot of GENUINE SOUTHHAM CIDER, which they beg to offer to the Trade at a moderate figure, considering the great scarcity of the article. Intending purchasers are requested to make an early application. Totnes, Devon, April 2, 1851 ............................. LOCAL INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL GEOGRAPHY OF CORNWALL - On Monday last, Mr. R. Q. COUCH delivered a very able and scientific lecture at the Penzance Institute, on the "Physical Geography of Cornwall." Mr. FLAMANK occupied the chair. The lecturer introduced the subject by taking a hasty glance a the Physical Geography of the Globe. He then led his audience to the hills of Cornwall, measuring their heights and comparing their elevations. He described the beauty and salubrity of its valleys, and drew attention to the rivers which cut the bounty, as it were, into small peninsulas, and which, assisted by the ocean, produced a temperature so equable, as scarcely to be equalled in the world. In speaking of the internal heat of the earth, he gave the thermometrical temperatures of the Cornish mines at different depths, clearly proving that the deepest mines were the warmest. He then spoke of the intelligence of the Cornish miners, as compared with other working men, of their wear and tear in descending to their work, their perspiration when at work, and their again ascending, causing in some cases a loss of weight in the eight hours thus occupied by them, of from 6 lbs to 8 lbs to each man, the loss varying according to the depths at which they worked. The lecturer observed that he had himself proved this fact. Some very interesting information was then given respecting the fisheries of Cornwall, and the migrations of the fish. An opinion was hazarded that Cornwall was once united to the Isles of Scilly, and also to the continent of Europe. In the discussion which followed the lecture, one of the members stated a circumstance, as evidencing the warmth of the winter in Cornwall, that he had that evening after sunset seen a butterfly on the wing. A vote of thanks was passed to the lecturer at the close of the meeting. ST. AGNES - The annual parish meeting took place at the Hotel. The accounts were examined, and passed as correct, shewing in the disbursements an increase over the preceding year of GBP 158.2s.10d. [for 1850, GBP 2,109.7s.2d] At the same time the officers for the ensuing year were elected as follows: Mr. A. Stephens, collector and assistant overseer. Messrs. Joseph Newton, M.T. Hitchins, Anthony Williams, George Chellew, and John Letcher, were unanimously elected guardians. Altogether this was the most amicable meeting there had been for many years. The connexion with the union was deeply deplored from the great increase in the rates, bearing as they do so heavily on the farmers, and house property in the parish. By this connexion the expenditure is increased at the rate of GBP 700 per annum above the old system of managing the poor. DELAVEL'S CHARITY At the Falmouth Town Council meeting on Wednesday last, it was decided that this Annual Charity should be awarded to JOHANNA SINCLAIR. PROLIFIC EWES Mr. JOHN HORE, of Rescorla, in the parish of St. Austell, has five ewes, which have produced sixteen lambs this season. ST. IVES The mackerel boats have had but small catches throughout the week. HELSTON MIDLENT FAIR This fair on Monday was well supplied with fat cattle, which brought about two guineas per cwt. There were not many cows and calves or lean cattle there, but the former were in great demand. There was rather more business than usual in the horse fair. HELSTON QUARTER SESSIONS At this sessions on Monday last, EDWARD MITCHELL was charged with having stolen part of a brass tap from MR. THOMAS GEACH, inn-keeper, of the White Hart Inn. In September last Mr. Geach had found the tap wanting, and after a long search a part of it was discovered to have been sold to Mr. OLVER, of Falmouth; but Mr. RENDLE, a foreman of Mr. Olver, who bought the brass, could not swear positively to the prisoner. Another person of Falmouth, MRS. OSBORNE, swore that the prisoner had offered her the same piece of brass for sale, and she, not dealing in that way, recommended him to dispose of it at Mr. Olver's. the prisoner had been in the employ of Mr. Geach, as an ostler, and had free access to every part of the inn. Mr. TYACKE appeared for the prosecution, and Mr. H. ROGERS for the defence. After a lengthy trial, the learned Recorder, MR. BEVAN, summed up the evidence, when the jury retired for more than an hour and returned a verdict of "guilty of selling the brass, but that the evidence was not strong enough to convict." The Recorder desired them to retire and reconsider the verdict, when after another hour's deliberation they found him guilty. The prisoner was then sentenced to three months' imprisonment in the town gaol. It is worthy or remark that this is the only case that has been brought to trial in this borough for many sessions. PENZANCE QUARTER SESSIONS These sessions were to have taken place on the 28th ult., but in consequence of the absence of the Recorder, Mr. COLLIER, (who was engaged at the assizes) they were adjourned to Monday last. There were two cases for trial. CATHERINE CHEETHAM was charged with stealing, on Thursday the 6th day of March last, from MR. THOMAS TREWHELLA, a purse containing GBP 13.14s.0d. Mr. Rogers appeared for the prisoner, and MR. ROSCORLA conducted the prosecution. The prisoner was found guilty, and sentenced to eight months' imprisonment with hard labour in the borough gaol. EDWARD PASCOE, REUBEN LIMPENNY, JOHN KNAPP, and HENRY VINGOE, were indicted for having on the 11th of February last, broken into and entered the shop of MR. PETER ARTHUR, watchmaker, and stealing from thence several gold and silver watches. A second count in the indictment charged the prisoners with having received the goods knowing them to have been stolen. The last-named two prisoners were defended by MR. PASCOE; Mr. DAVIES appeared for Limpenny, and Mr. Rogers for Pascoe. On the part of the prosecution it was stated that there had been stolen about twenty-four watches in all. It was not attempted to be shewn that the prisoners broke and entered the shop of the prosecutor, but it was proved that each of the prisoners had dealt with the property. The evidence shewed that both Knapp and Vingoe had pawned one or two of the watches in Penzance, and that Pascoe and Limpenny had disposed of three at Helston and Falmouth. Some of the witnesses for the prosecution were subjected to a severe cross-examination, and in one instance the effect of a portion of evidence, which seriously affected the prisoner Vingoe, was materially lessened owing to the conflicting statements of the witnesses. On behalf of Vingoe, Mr. Pascoe examined several witnesses, who established an alibi as to the robbery, and gave the prisoner an excellent character. Mr. BALL, of the Union Hotel, gave the prisoner KNAPP a most unexceptional character for honesty. The advocates for the prisoners severally addressed the jury, who afterwards remained in consultation about one hour. Pascoe and Limpenny were both found guilty on the first count in the indictment for housebreaking, and sentencved to Ten Years' transportation. Vingoe and Knapp were found guilty on the second count for receiving goods knowing them to have been stolen, and were sentenced to be imprisoned in the borough gaol for eight and four months respectively, with hard labour. St. AUSTELL PETTY SESSIONS - At these sessions, on Tuesday last, SEPTIMUS FILIUS WILTON, of Mevagissey, was convicted of trespassing in search of game and rabbits, on the 7th day of February last, at Mevagissey, and fined 20s. and costs, and in default of payment to be committed to the house of correction for one calendar month. -NICHOLAS HICKS and JOHN VERCOE, of St. Dennis, were convicted and fined 5s. each and costs, and HENRY HOCKEY, of St. Dennis, and ROBERT GOODGE, of St. Stephens, were convicted and fined 2s.6d. each and costs, as the drivers of china clay waggons, for having on the 8th of March last, obstructed the turnpike road at the town of St. Austell. The turnpike at the eastern end of St. Austell, in the direction of Charlestown is very hilly, and from the immense traffic in the china clay trade, the insufficiency of many of the teams employed in the carriage, and the rivalry of the drivers, the place in questions is frequently a scene of tumult and confusion; the road being sometimes entirely obstructed for as much as half an hour at a time, and not unfrequently accompanied with considerable danger to passers by. It is hoped that these cases will serve as a warning to the drivers for the future. PROVIDENTIAL ESCAPE - FALLING INTO A SHAFT Great excitement prevailed in the family of a tradesman at St. Agnes, named SAUNDERS, on Thursday the 27th ult., in consequence of his son, a young man about twenty-one years of age, and a daughter about sixteen, being missing. It appears that young Saunders and his sister, on the night in question, left their father's house for the purpose of accompanying home a young woman, an acquaintance, who lived at a place called Mount, about a mile distant. The night was extremely dark, and an hour or two having elapsed without the return of the young man and his sister, the family became alarmed and feared that some misfortune had befallen them, but still expecting their return they waited until the clock struck twelve, and at that time started off in search of the missing party. They first went to Mount, and ascertained that they had been there, and had left about ten o'clock to return home. The distress of the parents at this moment was painful in the extreme. They at once concluded that as their children had to cross a common in the neighbourhood, of the old Wheal Kitty mine, they had missed their way and fallen into some shaft. Every place of this description that could be thought of was searched without success. By this time daylight was appearing, and whilst hesitating what step to take, they saw a young man coming toward them, which on his approach, to their great joy and surprise proved to be the young Saunders. On asking him where he had been, he said "I have been all night in a shaft, and my sister is there still." At once they followed him to the place, and discovered the poor girl at the bottom of an open shaft about twenty-five feet deep, into which she and her brother had fallen, and remained the whole night exposed to torrents of rain that descended upon them, nothwithstanding which neither of them were injured excepting a few bruises. Young Saunders gained the surface by a difficult effort of climbing; he afterwards procured a ladder and assisted to get up his sister which was done, and the young party restored to their parents. ARSON On Monday night, some person or persons, wllfully set fire to a mow of barley, rick of hay, and a rick of furze, the property of MRS. JAMES MARTIN, of Crellow, near the church-town, Stithians. Hundreds of the neighbours were soon on the premises, some of whom appeared to be anxious to put a check to the fire; but while some were endeavouring to extinguish the flames in the rick of hay, the rick of furze was discovered to be on fire. It is believed that the parties also entered the barn, and stable, in order to set fire to the building, but finding no hay or straw there, they could not succeed. There were some old rags and Lucifer matches found on the premises near to the burning ricks. It is feared that the act has not been perpetrated by any stranger in the neighbourhood. CORONERS' INQUESTS The following inquests have been held before Mr. HAMLEY, county coroner: On the 26th ult., at St. Germans, on the body of Mr. THOMAS GEAKE, of that place, tanner, aged 56. It appeared that about seven o'clock on the morning of Monday, the 24th ult., he left his home for the purpose of going into his tan-yard, and took a tool-box, hammer and nails, in order, it is supposed, to do some repairs to a portion of one of the pumps. About two hours afterward, one of his workmen going through the yard, saw the tool-box lying by the side of one of the pits, and, thinking it had been left there inadvertently by some one of his fellow workmen, went to the spot, and looking into the pit, saw his master therein, with his heels upwards. He immediately procured assistance, and the body was taken out, quite dead. The water in the pit was only about three feet deep; but the deceased had evidently fallen head-foremost, and in the position in which he was found, jammed between the pump and the side of the pit, it was impossible for him to extricate or raise himself. M. KERSWELL, surgeon, who attended him professionally, said he had lately been subject to lightness in the head, and there was no doubt he had been seized with giddiness, and fell head-foremost into the pit. The jury returned a verdict of "Accidental Death. " The deceased was a highly respectable man, greatly esteemed by private friends, and for his performance of parochial and county public duties. On the same day at Penquite, in the parish of St. Germans, on the body of a labourer called JOSHUA HEATH, 50 years of age. He had been in a depressed state of mind for the last year and a half, and had several times threatened to destroy himself, and for the last few months, had been constantly watched. In the same village in which he lived, there resides a farmer called STEVENS who has, in his cow-house, a turnip-cutting machine, the blade of which is an old scythe. Heath had often been observed examining this machine, and he had several times asked some boys to come there and cut off his head. On Monday morning the 24th ult., he went out of his house, and his wife followed and watched him. At last, she lost sight of him for a short time; she passed by the cow-house but did not suspect that he was inside as the door was closed, as it had been kept for some time latterly in order to prevent her husband getting to the machine. In about ten minutes, Mr. STEVENS's son went into the cow-house, and found the deceased lying by the side of the turnip-cutter, in a pool of blood, quite dead - his head being nearly severed from his body. On looking round the building, it was found he had got into the house through an old window, at the upper part of the building, and had then descended to the floor. It is supposed that he had himself placed his head under the scythe of the turnip-cutter, and, with his hand, had pulled it down on his neck, which, as before stated, was nearly severed. Both the jugular vein and the carotid artery were divided, and consequently, he must have died almost instantly. The jury all knew deceased to have been long in a depressed state of mind, and did not hesitate in coming to the opinion that he had destroyed himself and that he was in a state of "temporary insanity. " It appeared that he had threatened and endeavoured to destroy himself in various ways; for some time he had carried about with him a rope; and on one occasion, he was saved by some of his friends when in the attempt to thrust a pike into his bowels. He was about to be sent to the County Lunatic Asylum in a few days. The following inquest has been held before Mr. GILBERT HANMLEY, deputy coroner: On Friday last, in the parish of St. Austell, on the body of the child of a travelling hawker named PITCHER. The child was four months old. Both parents went home the previous evening in a state of intoxication, and the mother, on awaking in the morning about half-past six, found the child dead by her side. There was evidence of the child having been subject to a dreadful cough for the last six weeks, and it also appeared that the mother had taken the child from St. Austell to St. Blazey on the previous day, which was a very cold one. Mr. BERRYMAN, surgeon, St. Austell , at the request of the coroner, made an external examination of the body, and stated that he could find no mark of violence, and that from the statements of various witnesses he had no doubt the child had died from natural causes, most likely inflammation of the lungs. The foreman of the jury severely reprimanded the parents of the child for not having sent for a medical man when they found the child was dead, they having admitted that the body was quite warm when they awoke in the morning. The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical evidence. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Hello to the list. I have been away for quite a while, but new byways need to be explored. My main Cornish families are BOLITHO, HUTCHENS, BROKENSHIRE, ESLICK, ROWE (St Levan) and SAMPSON (Breage). My immediate query is about Edwin HUTCHENS. He was my grandfather's next older brother, baptized on Aug 2nd 1866. He lived in Penzance and his death was registered in the first quarter of 1901. I have looked in the "Cornishman" for that time and could not find it. Anyone any idea? Thanks in advance; Horton Bolitho in Pz.

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Did you check the very end of 1900? Deaths (and births and marriages) occurring at the very end of the year, falling in the Christmas and New Year period, sometimes appear in the next year of the GRO registers. The other alternative is to buy the certificate. That would tell you where he died and may provide you with additional information as to who was present at his death. best of luck with your searching Judith In a message dated 05/04/2010 20:18:06 GMT Daylight Time, stanley.bolitho3@btinternet.com writes: Hello to the list. I have been away for quite a while, but new byways need to be explored. My main Cornish families are BOLITHO, HUTCHENS, BROKENSHIRE, ESLICK, ROWE (St Levan) and SAMPSON (Breage). My immediate query is about Edwin HUTCHENS. He was my grandfather's next older brother, baptized on Aug 2nd 1866. He lived in Penzance and his death was registered in the first quarter of 1901. I have looked in the "Cornishman" for that time and could not find it. Anyone any idea? Thanks in advance; Horton Bolitho in Pz. ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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It's the non-digest footer that appears on every message. Whatever was inserted above the dashes came from some email ISP or program peculiarity. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Yvonne Bowers Listmom/Webmom CORNISH, CORNISH-GEN, CA-CORNISH http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/cornishlib/cornishlib.htm Original message: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Alan Nelson" <atgn@elder53.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] OPC Cornwall Resources Update Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:16:50 +0100 References: <eab7f.8e8aafd.38eb6149@aol.com> whats this about ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bjpellow@aol.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] OPC Cornwall Resources Update > > yyyyhvtrfdewsaqzxccx cb bn,,m/'[0poppoiiiiuuugtjiddfdffrgbvcyy6 > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Yvonne Bowers Listmom/Webmom CORNISH, CORNISH-GEN, CA-CORNISH http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/cornishlib/cornishlib.htm

Sorry all. According to list rules, my previous email, in reponse to Meli's post, should have been off-list. I just forgot to change the recipient address before hitting the send button. Though I confess I don't actually have a problem with all of you seeing the request, since I think religious stuff on a list like this is just as much off topic (and therefore inappropriate) as any other off-topic material. Clare

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Meli wrote: > Blessings to all on this glorious Easter day...Alleluia...He is Risen > indeed. Only if you happen to believe a particular set of faith doctrines. Please don't push your religious barrow on list - some of us have potent reasons for not wanting to have such things shoved under our noses. Clare

Personally, I don't think that anyone should be so rude to another person ON or OFF a list. regards Judith Upton Online Parish Clerk for Englishcombe in Somerset, and Bridgerule, Poughill and Poundstock in Cornwall. Find information free of charge for all of Cornwall at www.cornwall-opc.org and for Somerset at www.wsom-opc.org.uk

Hello All - Please bear with a lengthy request, as we've reached an impasse in our researches. I received an inquiry last week about the family born to William and Jenepher MARKS PHILLIPS in St. Austell and have found the following: William and Jenepher had these children baptized at Holy Trinity: Grace baptized 6 Jan 1774;- William, 4 June 1776;- John, 15 June 1778;- Jenny, 2 Jan 1783;- Sophia, 4 June 1787;- Joseph, baptized 25 Oct 1789;- Joana, 26 Aug 1792;- and Fanny, baptized 1797. Fanny married Thomas Mellen 18 April 1819, raised their family in Phernyssick, and leased land from the Charlestown Corp. There's no problem tracking that family; they appear in the records nicely. But as for Joseph, baptized Oct, 1789, there are problems! It is supposed he married a lady named "Mary" - and there are 3 possible candidates. The first Joseph Phillips married Mary MEDLAND 1 Mar, 1819, witnesses Eliza Warne and Henry Medland. A second Joseph Phillips married Mary LULY 7 May 1820. We don't have a marriage for the 3rd - he appears in the census, however. CHOICE ONE: Joseph PHILLIPS and Mary MEDLAND are in the 1841 census, living in LINKINHORNE (Rillaton): Joseph Phillips, aged 50, farmer, born Cornwall Mary Phillips, aged 42, b. Cornwall Caroline [Medland] Phillips, aged 19 Roxana [Medland] Phillips, aged 16 Eliza [Medland] Phillips, aged 14 William [Henry Medland] Phillips, aged 12 James [Penpraze Medland] Phillips, aged 10 Mary Phillips, aged 7 Jemima Phillips, aged 2 Elizabeth Phillips, aged 45, independent (Missing is Amelia Medland Phillips, baptized 1823) Mary and Jemima Phillips might be daughters to Elizabeth - that's not clear. There were 3 male servants (youngest 13) and one 11 year old girl, Mary CLEMENCE. The baptismal registers for Holy Trinity show the children with the Medland given name all baptized in St. Austell - and in the 1851 census, it shows St. Austell as their birth parish. In the 1839 TITHE APPORTIONMENT INDEX for ST. AUSTELL, there are 3 fields "near Pentewan" being leased by Roxina VIAN and Sophia BARLOW; the occupier is Joseph PHILLIPS. But there is no such person appearing in the 1841 census dwelling in that location that I could find. Perhaps this was a case of 3 lives, and Joseph chose Sophia and Roxina in the hopes they'd outlive him. He, of course, was renting the fields out, and not farming them himself. Or not. ..... CHOICE TWO: In the meantime, Joseph PHILLIPS who married Mary LULY was also having a family, etc. They had Mary Luly, baptized at Holy Trinity 1820;- Honour, 1823;- John Luly, 1825;- Joseph, Sep 1827;- Elizabeth Margaret, 1829;- Drina, 1832. (This MAY be Diana, or Dinna.) James, 1835; - Phillipa, 1837. In 1841, the family seems to appear in St.Blazey churchtown: Joseph PHILLIPS, aged 45, publican, born Cornwall Mary Phillips, aged 40 Honor Phillips, aged 15 John Phillips, aged 15 watchmaker apprentice Joseph Phillips, aged 14 Phillipa Phillips, aged 2 Dinna Phillips, aged 1 month Mary LORD, servant, aged 14 and one Unknown, aged 40, born outside Cornwall (Drinna,aged 9, Mary, aged 21, James, and Elizabeth Margaret are "missing") In 1851 - perhaps the same family appears, living in Tywardreath, on the Highway: Joseph PHILLIPS, aged 55, farmer, born St. Ewe Mary Phillips, aged 52, born St. Austle Joseph, son, aged 23, born St. Austle Philippa, dau, aged 12, born St. Austle Honour L. STEPHENS, dau, aged 28, born St. Austle Richard T. Stephens, lodger, aged 32, born Sithney IF this is the same family, it would eliminate this possibility, as this Joseph Phillips was born in St. Ewe. ....... CHOICE THREE: And there's the third Joseph - in 1841, living in Greenwood's Row, St. Austell: Joseph PHILLIPS,aged 50, cooper, born Cornwall Maria Phillips, aged 40 Joseph Phillips, aged 15 Mary Phillips, aged 12 Sarah Phillips, aged 7 In the 1851, he's living there still, a cooper, with his daughters - all born in St. Austle. Several folks with the surname of PHILLIPS are living nearby. ....... There's actually a fourth possibility, born in St. Austell but living in Alvinney, Altarnun in 1851, married to a "Mary" born Helston, aged 52, with children all born in St. Ewe; he's a mining agent and mine owner, aged 60. Naturally, his oldest son was named William H.M., aged 21; dau Mary M.,aged 15, and dau Jemima M, aged 12. ....... The questions for the list are these: Is anyone researching this line of PHILLIPS? If so, would you care to be in contact with a lady who's also trying to sort out the lines? Does anyone know the million dollar answer to the question WHICH JOSEPH IS THE BROTHER OF FANNY PHILLIPS MELLEN?? The information given to the lady inquiring about these folks was very very confused and misleading - for instance, the original investigator had only one Joseph and Mary, with ALL the children named Phillips assigned to them!! Bits and pieces "fit", but not quite - a case of having information and trying to bend the facts to make it fit, in my opinion. But it makes a muddle of trying to sort things out. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!!! Julia Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org