Hello list; I have traced most of our family in 1911 through findmypast.com, but cannot find my wife's gggrandmother Mary Ann ES(T)LICK.. She lived in Newlyn East from about 1840, and in 1901 lived in the end house in Nanhayes Row, which I understand was a row of cottages built originally for workers at nearby East Wheal Rose mine. She was buried aged 83 on May 28th 1914 in Newlyn, her address being given as "Of Churchtown". I have tried both name search for Cornwall and also address search, but had no luck. Any clever searchers out there please? Cheers Horton in Penzance

Thanks John. I wrote another post before, apologizing for not recognizing your expertise, but for some reason it was rejected, and I haven't got time to find out why. The more frivolous one about Elijah Teague worked, so I will try this again. You certainly persisted with the ROSE saga. I hope you find William PRYNN. Jan South Australia

Hi Jan, I think I forgot to mention I had looked for a Marriage listed on Cornwall OPC and there's it's mentioned but no parishes are mentioned or any particulars mentioned at all. I had also checked for Banns, but no reference at all to the marriage on that index. I think I'd fully covered and exhausted all the avenues I could think of. Thanks for your reply, I know only to well how people get upset when you try to point out obvious errors in their trees. I don't because usually their trying to help you from not wasting time researching the wrong people. For example, I was contacted a couple of years ago by a lady about my mother's father here in Australia. She said he was a triplet and she was descended from his brother Alexander John ROSE born 1878. I told her the records at first glance appear to state there was 3 boys. But my uncle's and aunt and mother all said their father was only a twin. It puzzled me for years, why 3 registrations but only twins. I could find info on pop's and his twin William's lives, but nothing at all on Alexander John ROSE. No death registration could be found for Alexander John. Once the last uncle passed away I purchased the certificates. It took me awhile to work it out. Alexander & William's had civil registration numbers but the certificate for my grandfather had a volume number. William Fredrick ROSE 9 Oct 1878 Elder Born, Alexander John 9 Oct 1878 Younger Born, neither had reference to their baptisms. Pop's certificate had John Christopher ROSE born 9 Oct 1878 baptised 9 Dec 1878 no reference to middle born. My great-grandfather had registered William and Alexander, but their first born son, who they called Charles or Charlie proper name was Alexander Charles. I think when he was registered the names got reversed as his father was Charles and the first born male is usually named after the father. When they had the 2nd twin baptised they changed his name from the civil registration of Alexander John to baptizing him John Christopher after his maternal grandfather, because having the volume number and reference to the date of baptism on the certificate told me it was from his baptism, because civil registration can in in NSW in March 1856, so it should have had a registration number. The officiating minister recorded the baptism and sent it through to the records office, but must have forgot to mention the birth had been registered as Alexander John, but amended to John Christopher at the baptism. I've sent her every document I have in proof, but she still to this day won't believe me, even though the only mention of Alexander John ROSE is his Birth Certificate, no documents on his life, no documents of his death or burial. I don't think she is related to us, but if she is I've told her the person she is probably looking for is Alexander Charles ROSE, their older brother, born 9 Aug 1872. That was one problem in my tree that took me quite a few years to get to the bottom of. Happy Days, John Newcastle NSW Australia ------------------------------------------------- From: "Jan" <jangmc@bigpond.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:40 PM To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] WILLIAM PRYN/PRYNN > Hi John, > > How about Wm PRINN in St Veep in 1716, it's only 3.2 miles away, according > to Parloc? There seems to be a whole lot of PRINN, PRYNNs etc there, and > there could be others elsewhere, too, as not everything is on the IGI. You > can download Parloc free...it's a parish locator. > > I'm a bit mystified about not "opening up the individual person". How > else > do you find the parents? > > And any reliance on just the IGI and/or Ancestry, no matter how widely > accepted, is prone to mistakes like this one...it is only an index. EG, > all > the online trees of one of my families have ancestors based on a > particular > marriage where people have followed the wife's name back, as in the index, > but the actual Parish marriage record shows that she was a widow. Tracing > back her 1st marriage, the death of her first husband, etc, gives quite a > different ancestry, and one confirmed by her maiden name being used as a > second name in the family for generations. But I'm just a voice in the > wilderness in trying to correct it, and sometimes you can even be > unpopular! > > Who knows, the original marriage record of William PRYNN and Joan DADDOW > might even say where he was from, tho from memory it might be a bit early > for that. > > Good luck, and, pain tho it is, never rely on someone else's research > unless > they have all their sources documented. Even then I try to verify it. > Might > be why my research has taken decades!! > > Jan > South Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Griffiths > Sent: Monday, 19 April 2010 1:19 PM > To: CORNISH-GEN > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] WILLIAM PRYN/PRYNN > > Hi Lister, > > I have a problem with my PRYNN family line. It's been widely accepted by > everyone that I've had contact with and on Ancestry, that William PRYNN > baptised 18 Mar 1716 at Tywardreath > (St. Andrew's? ) married Joan DADDOW at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's) on 3 > Nov > 1736. > > I, like many people when reading the IGI don't always open up each > individual person, last night I opened up William PRYNN 1716 and he died > on > 4 Jul 1719 at Tywardreath. So obviously he can't be the one who married > Joan > DADDOW. > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ah, but there must be more to learn...in a quick search purely out of curiosity, I couldn't find Elijah Teague in subsequent censuses, or a death for him. In a time-wasting frenzy, I found all players in the 1851 census, confirming their evidence! And there are a few deaths that could be Mary Kendall, his mother, but no Elijah. Did he change his name, did he emigrate? Did he come to South Australia, like my ancestors? Did he make good...you can't convince me he was innocent! I wish I had time to find out! I suppose I could justify it by calling it background research, as my direct Sandoe line farmed at Three Burrows, where the Kendalls had their farm. Jan South Australia -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Worden Sent: Monday, 19 April 2010 4:34 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 164 Gaaaahhhh! Don't you just hate it when somebody gives away the ending??? Ray in Delabole

Hi Jan, The way the IGI can be used with out opening each individual entry is to locate a child that you know defiantly belongs to the family. For later generations I often use the English Census's once I've confirmed the marriage, I can then build a rough starting point for the family group, names, year of birth and places of birth. As I said above I use 1 of the children's names approx year of birth and County. When you locate that child and open and confirm the parents, you click on the batch no. it then automatically refreshes the page and places the batch number in the lower left corner [Batch no]. You simply type PRYNN in the surname of the person your looking for, no Christian name. In the father's names you type Richard PRYN I rarely fill in the mother because there's a lot of variations in how the females name can be entered. Enter a year, enter a time frame from exact year to + or - 20 years and add County. The search will then concentrate only on the PRYN/PRYNN family with all the above criteria contained in that batch only. Press search and all the relevant names appear, eliminate the ones from the parishes you don't want to look at and you now have a shortened list of all male & female children born for the PRYN/PRYNN family in this case in Tywardreath, from say 1830 to 1850. I use a lot more than the IGI and Ancestry, ( I especially know the dangers of trees on Ancestry and always do my own checking of families listed there). I have purchased around 50 CD's of Baptism's in the parishes, Miners Children, Mariners Children, Illegitimate children etc that I'm interested in Cornwall. In the case of William PRYNN 1716; I've used one on baptisms at Tywardreath 1715 -1841, Baptisms of Illegitimate Children in Cornwall Various Parishes 1603 -1901, I purchased the complete Baptism print outs of all the records held by the Cornwall Family History Society for the names of PRYN/PRYNN/PRYNNE & PRINN in Cornwall and an excellent free site I frequently use the Cornwall OPC site. I've even tried with no luck to verify the death of William PRYNN son of Richard PRYN and Anne on 4 Jul 1719 at Tywardreath. I used the OPC site and I have purchased the complete print outs of deaths & burials and monumental inscription for PRYN/PRYNN/PRYNNE & PRINN that are held by the Cornwall Family History Society, with no luck. Late last year I also paid for research to be carried out on my behalf by the CFHS on the PRYN/PRYNN family in Tywardreath and surrounding areas and they also gave me the husband of Joan DADDOW as being William PRYNN ch: 18 Mar 1716 at Tywardreath as being her husband. It goes to show that family history isn't an exact science even the more experienced can get it wrong at times. Thanks for the information on the Parish Locator site I've been looking for something like that for awhile. Many Thanks and Happy Days, from John Newcastle NSW Australia -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jan" <jangmc@bigpond.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:40 PM To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] WILLIAM PRYN/PRYNN > Hi John, > > How about Wm PRINN in St Veep in 1716, it's only 3.2 miles away, according > to Parloc? There seems to be a whole lot of PRINN, PRYNNs etc there, and > there could be others elsewhere, too, as not everything is on the IGI. You > can download Parloc free...it's a parish locator. > > I'm a bit mystified about not "opening up the individual person". How > else > do you find the parents? > > And any reliance on just the IGI and/or Ancestry, no matter how widely > accepted, is prone to mistakes like this one...it is only an index. EG, > all > the online trees of one of my families have ancestors based on a > particular > marriage where people have followed the wife's name back, as in the index, > but the actual Parish marriage record shows that she was a widow. Tracing > back her 1st marriage, the death of her first husband, etc, gives quite a > different ancestry, and one confirmed by her maiden name being used as a > second name in the family for generations. But I'm just a voice in the > wilderness in trying to correct it, and sometimes you can even be > unpopular! > > Who knows, the original marriage record of William PRYNN and Joan DADDOW > might even say where he was from, tho from memory it might be a bit early > for that. > > Good luck, and, pain tho it is, never rely on someone else's research > unless > they have all their sources documented. Even then I try to verify it. > Might > be why my research has taken decades!! > > Jan > South Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Griffiths > Sent: Monday, 19 April 2010 1:19 PM > To: CORNISH-GEN > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] WILLIAM PRYN/PRYNN > > Hi Lister, > > I have a problem with my PRYNN family line. It's been widely accepted by > everyone that I've had contact with and on Ancestry, that William PRYNN > baptised 18 Mar 1716 at Tywardreath > (St. Andrew's? ) married Joan DADDOW at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's) on 3 > Nov > 1736. > > I, like many people when reading the IGI don't always open up each > individual person, last night I opened up William PRYNN 1716 and he died > on > 4 Jul 1719 at Tywardreath. So obviously he can't be the one who married > Joan > DADDOW. > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 19/04/2010 19:44:28 GMT Daylight Time, stanley.bolitho3@btinternet.com writes: Hello list; I have traced most of our family in 1911 through findmypast.com, but cannot find my wife's gggrandmother Mary Ann ES(T)LICK.. She lived in Newlyn East from about 1840, and in 1901 lived in the end house in Nanhayes Row, which I understand was a row of cottages built originally for workers at nearby East Wheal Rose mine. She was buried aged 83 on May 28th 1914 in Newlyn, her address being given as "Of Churchtown". I have tried both name search for Cornwall and also address search, but had no luck. Any clever searchers out there please? Cheers Horton in Penzance Horton Could you give us some information about her place of birth please? Judith ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, How about Wm PRINN in St Veep in 1716, it's only 3.2 miles away, according to Parloc? There seems to be a whole lot of PRINN, PRYNNs etc there, and there could be others elsewhere, too, as not everything is on the IGI. You can download Parloc free...it's a parish locator. I'm a bit mystified about not "opening up the individual person". How else do you find the parents? And any reliance on just the IGI and/or Ancestry, no matter how widely accepted, is prone to mistakes like this one...it is only an index. EG, all the online trees of one of my families have ancestors based on a particular marriage where people have followed the wife's name back, as in the index, but the actual Parish marriage record shows that she was a widow. Tracing back her 1st marriage, the death of her first husband, etc, gives quite a different ancestry, and one confirmed by her maiden name being used as a second name in the family for generations. But I'm just a voice in the wilderness in trying to correct it, and sometimes you can even be unpopular! Who knows, the original marriage record of William PRYNN and Joan DADDOW might even say where he was from, tho from memory it might be a bit early for that. Good luck, and, pain tho it is, never rely on someone else's research unless they have all their sources documented. Even then I try to verify it. Might be why my research has taken decades!! Jan South Australia -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Griffiths Sent: Monday, 19 April 2010 1:19 PM To: CORNISH-GEN Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] WILLIAM PRYN/PRYNN Hi Lister, I have a problem with my PRYNN family line. It's been widely accepted by everyone that I've had contact with and on Ancestry, that William PRYNN baptised 18 Mar 1716 at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's? ) married Joan DADDOW at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's) on 3 Nov 1736. I, like many people when reading the IGI don't always open up each individual person, last night I opened up William PRYNN 1716 and he died on 4 Jul 1719 at Tywardreath. So obviously he can't be the one who married Joan DADDOW.

Hi Lister, I have a problem with my PRYNN family line. It's been widely accepted by everyone that I've had contact with and on Ancestry, that William PRYNN baptised 18 Mar 1716 at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's? ) married Joan DADDOW at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's) on 3 Nov 1736. I, like many people when reading the IGI don't always open up each individual person, last night I opened up William PRYNN 1716 and he died on 4 Jul 1719 at Tywardreath. So obviously he can't be the one who married Joan DADDOW. I can't locate another William PRYN/PRYNN that fits the time line, the only other one I can locate is William's younger brother, William baptised on 12 Jun 1726 at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's), but he's to young to fit the time line. Any suggestions, please . Happy Days, John Newcastle Australia

Poor lad, of course he didn't do it. But he knew who did. Judy On 19 Apr 2010, at 09:16, Jan wrote: > Ah, but there must be more to learn...in a quick search purely out of > curiosity, I couldn't find Elijah Teague in subsequent censuses, or > a death > for him. In a time-wasting frenzy, I found all players in the 1851 > census, > confirming their evidence! And there are a few deaths that could be > Mary > Kendall, his mother, but no Elijah. > > Did he change his name, did he emigrate? Did he come to South > Australia, > like my ancestors? Did he make good...you can't convince me he was > innocent! > > I wish I had time to find out! I suppose I could justify it by > calling it > background research, as my direct Sandoe line farmed at Three > Burrows, where > the Kendalls had their farm. > > Jan > South Australia >

In a message dated 19/04/2010 04:49:15 GMT Daylight Time, johnjgriffiths@bigpond.com writes: I can't locate another William PRYN/PRYNN that fits the time line, the only other one I can locate is William's younger brother, William baptised on 12 Jun 1726 at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's), but he's to young to fit the time line. John This raises another point about the age of consent to marry. A girl could be married at the age of 12 and a boy from the age of 14 years until 1929 in England and Wales, with the consent of their parents: This is from http://www.exploregenealogy.co.uk/MarriageCertificates.html "When you get a copy of the marriage certificate, it probably offers the best boost to genealogy research of any document. Not only does it tell you the exact date of the marriage and the full names of the couple, it also includes their ages (however, it might just say "full," meaning of age; around 75% of marriages certificates just list "full" until the early 1850s. If it says "minor" or "under age" that means between the ages of 12 and 20 for a girl and 14-20 for a boy, at least until 1929, when the lower age limit for marriage became 16, giving you a fair amount of exact information for your family tree" Perhaps we sometimes discount candidates as "too young" because we apply the 21 years rule when they were living in an age where different practice was accepted. regards Judith

Gaaaahhhh! Don't you just hate it when somebody gives away the ending??? Ray in Delabole Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:56 -0400 From: "Peter Cox" <peter@simbatech.net> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly news, 25 April 1851 - Murder at Silverwell (Teague, Kendall, and Grose) To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E230DDEDBCBB4439ABF38FE700A7E037@d930> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original He was acquitted http://books.google.com/books?id=NqC-b3TEJO0C&pg=PA729&lpg=PA729&dq=Elijah+Teague+murder&source=bl&ots=o9DGyYkZfc&sig=UobHY2EpAvE0a6WpATtSCI-ssoA&hl=en&ei=pPbKS76MH8K78gb84LHFBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CBQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Elijah%20Teague%20murder&f=false Peter

In a message dated 19/04/2010 07:32:01 GMT Daylight Time, JudithUpton@aol.com writes: But I'm just a voice in the wilderness in trying to correct it, and sometimes you can even be unpopular! Jan You are not alone!! The number of people who fail to check the burials before compiling their family lines is enormous. Keep up the good work regards Judith Apologies for the email before this one. Blame the cat!

In a message dated 19/04/2010 05:40:50 GMT Daylight Time, jangmc@bigpond.com writes: Hi John, How about Wm PRINN in St Veep in 1716, it's only 3.2 miles away, according to Parloc? There seems to be a whole lot of PRINN, PRYNNs etc there, and there could be others elsewhere, too, as not everything is on the IGI. You can download Parloc free...it's a parish locator. I'm a bit mystified about not "opening up the individual person". How else do you find the parents? And any reliance on just the IGI and/or Ancestry, no matter how widely accepted, is prone to mistakes like this one...it is only an index. EG, all the online trees of one of my families have ancestors based on a particular marriage where people have followed the wife's name back, as in the index, but the actual Parish marriage record shows that she was a widow. Tracing back her 1st marriage, the death of her first husband, etc, gives quite a different ancestry, and one confirmed by her maiden name being used as a second name in the family for generations. But I'm just a voice in the wilderness in trying to correct it, and sometimes you can even be unpopular! Who knows, the original marriage record of William PRYNN and Joan DADDOW might even say where he was from, tho from memory it might be a bit early for that. Good luck, and, pain tho it is, never rely on someone else's research unless they have all their sources documented. Even then I try to verify it. Might be why my research has taken decades!! Jan South Australia -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Griffiths Sent: Monday, 19 April 2010 1:19 PM To: CORNISH-GEN Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] WILLIAM PRYN/PRYNN Hi Lister, I have a problem with my PRYNN family line. It's been widely accepted by everyone that I've had contact with and on Ancestry, that William PRYNN baptised 18 Mar 1716 at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's? ) married Joan DADDOW at Tywardreath (St. Andrew's) on 3 Nov 1736. I, like many people when reading the IGI don't always open up each individual person, last night I opened up William PRYNN 1716 and he died on 4 Jul 1719 at Tywardreath. So obviously he can't be the one who married Joan DADDOW. ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan, Thanks. I have in the past contributed to the one-name study of one of my other Cornish families, but at that time there wasn't one for the Sandoes, and I have moved on to several other branches. Now I see there is a Sandoe one, I will be in contact with the researcher. (But he will probably have any information that I have, as another South Australian descendant of the Sandoes has an online tree including information I provided.) Jan South Australia -----Original Message----- From: Alan Nelson [mailto:atgn@elder53.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2010 2:33 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Cc: jangmc@bigpond.com Subject: Kendall and Sandoe surnames Have you checked your unusual name against those entered in the register of one name studies www.one-name.org Should your contacts prove to be negative perhaps you could consider helping those one name studies by providing whatever information you have in case it allows links to be established with other interested parties

Thank you, Julia, for including all the details, as the neighbour, William SANDOE, is very likely one of my family. I'm glad he didn't seem as helpless and vague as everyone else! Now I need some local knowledge. As I have stayed in Truro and St Agnes years ago, I know the general area, and have a modern OS map, but I'm wondering if Butt Lane, where the SANDOEs lived, is still there...my map does not have this information, and I have not been able to find it on Google maps or Multimaps. Thank you for any clues. Jan South Australia -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jwmos99@msn.com Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2010 6:33 AM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly news, 25 April 1851 - Murder at Silverwell (Teague, Kendall, and Grose) This is actually broken into 2 parts; the first gives all the basic information regarding the crime, while the second contains the depositions in front of the magistrates regarding activities, etc. All the details in the second part are covered again in upcoming issues, as testimony is recorded for the ensuing trials, but they're interesting as they contain a great deal of details. ............................................................

He was acquitted http://books.google.com/books?id=NqC-b3TEJO0C&pg=PA729&lpg=PA729&dq=Elijah+Teague+murder&source=bl&ots=o9DGyYkZfc&sig=UobHY2EpAvE0a6WpATtSCI-ssoA&hl=en&ei=pPbKS76MH8K78gb84LHFBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CBQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Elijah%20Teague%20murder&f=false Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <jwmos99@msn.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly news, 25 April 1851 - Murder at Silverwell (Teague, Kendall, and Grose) > > This is actually broken into 2 parts; the first gives all the basic > information regarding the crime, while the second contains the depositions > in front of the magistrates regarding activities, etc. All the details in > the second part are covered again in upcoming issues, as testimony is > recorded for the ensuing trials, but they're interesting as they contain a > great deal of details. > > ............................................................ > > WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER > > > APRIL 25 1851 > > MURDER AT SILVERWELL IN THIS COUNTY > > It has happily been some years since the frightful crime of murder has > been perpetrated in Cornwall, but we are sorry that we have again to add > to the catalogue of heinous guilt, a murder committed in this county on > Saturday last. > > The locality where the deed was perpetrated is called Silverwell, near the > Chiverton Arms, on the road between Truro and St. Agnes, and about five > miles from the former place. The murdered man, WILLIAM KENDALL, occupied a > small farm, and lived in the house with his wife alone. This was his > second wife, to whom he had been married about four years. Her former name > was TEAGUE, and she had a son by her first husband, called ELIJAH TEAGUE, > and now about seventeen years of age. This son lived with his mother and > Mr. Kendall until January last, when he went to lodge at a neighbouring > house with HENRY GROSE; but he still occasionally worked on the farm for > his father-in-law, who was about seventy-two years of age.

Have you checked your unusual name against those entered in the register of one name studies www.one-name.org Should your contacts prove to be negative perhaps you could consider helping those one name studies by providing whatever information you have in case it allows links to be established with other interested parties ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly news,25 April 1851 - Murder at Silverwell (Teague, Kendall, and Grose) > > Thank you, Julia, for including all the details, as the neighbour, William > SANDOE, is very likely one of my family. I'm glad he didn't seem as > helpless and vague as everyone else! > > Now I need some local knowledge. As I have stayed in Truro and St Agnes > years ago, I know the general area, and have a modern OS map, but I'm > wondering if Butt Lane, where the SANDOEs lived, is still there...my map > does not have this information, and I have not been able to find it on > Google maps or Multimaps. > > Thank you for any clues. > > Jan > South Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jwmos99@msn.com > Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2010 6:33 AM > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly news, 25 April 1851 - Murder at Silverwell > (Teague, Kendall, and Grose) > > > This is actually broken into 2 parts; the first gives all the basic > information regarding the crime, while the second contains the depositions > in front of the magistrates regarding activities, etc. All the details in > the second part are covered again in upcoming issues, as testimony is > recorded for the ensuing trials, but they're interesting as they contain a > great deal of details. > > ............................................................ > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The 2nd advert has prices for emigration to New Zealand, in case someone in the particulars.... ........................................................................... WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER APRIL 25, 1851 ADVERTISEMENTS EMIGRATION TO AMERICA FROM PENZANCE The well known good first-class coppered Barque "MARQUIS OF CHANDOS" of Penzance, CHARLES COLENSO, Master, 700 tons burthen, will, wind and weather permitting, leave Penzance direct for New York the 30th day of April positive. This vessel affords good accommodation or a few cabin passengers, has excellent height between decks, and superior accommodations for steerage passengers, and offers a most desirable opportunity for families and others emigrating to the United States. The master having been many years trading to America, has always received the highest testimonials for his kind attention and care to the passengers during the voyage. For terms of passage and other particulars apply to MR. W. D. MATHEWS, penzance, Dated April 2, 1851 .................. FOR PORT LYTTLETON, CANTERBURY SETTLEMENT With liberty to land passengers and goods at the undermentioned ports in New Zealand, the first-class passenger ships, "LADY NUGENT," 688 tons register, for Canterbury, Nelson, and New Plymouth, to sail on the 28th of May; "DUKE of PORTLAND," 533 tons register, for Canterbury, Wellington, and Auckland, to sail on the 28th of May, lying in the East India Docks, chartered and provisioned by the Canterbury Association. Rates of Passage: Chief Cabin, a whole Cabin between Decks GBP42; second Cabin, GBP25; Steerage, GBP 16; Children under fourteen, one-half. Each Ship carries an experienced Surgeon. For Freight, Passage, or further information, apply to J. STAYNER, 110 Fenchurch-street; FILBY and Co., 157 Fenchurch-street; or to FREDERICK YOUNG, Manager of Shipping for the Canterbury Association, 74 Cornhill. Dated April 23, 1851 .......................... NEW FAMILY NEWSPAPER On Saturday, 19th of April, 1851, was published No. 1, Price Threepence, of THE PIONEER, and Weekly Record of Movements; a Stamped Liberal Newspaper of Physical, Moral, Social, and Political Progress. Its columns will be devoted to the Illustration and Advocacy of ALL PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENTS, including the Temperance, Dietetic, Medical, and Spelling Reformations. ........................ THE FLORA DAY This Annual Festival will be celebrated as usual on the 8th of May. There will be a BALL at the ANGEL INN STEWARDS: Sir R. R. VYVYAN, Bart., M.P. C. W. POPHAM, Esq. GLYNN GRYLLS, Esq. FREDERICK HILL, Esq. Dancing to commence at Nine o'clock precisely. Helston, April 22nd, 1851 ................................................................................. LOCAL INTELLIGENCE ELECTIONS OF PARISH OFFICERS -On Easter Monday, Mr. BLIGHT, of Tregantle, and Mr. HILL, of Torpoint, were elected churchwardens, and Mr. JOHN WHEELER, of Torpoint, chapel-warden of that place. After the meeting, the parishioners assembled at the Ring of Bells, Antony, and partook of a very excellent dinner, the Rev. J. F. KITSON, vicar of the parish, presiding. The utmost cordiality and good feeling were manifested throughout. -At the vestry of the parishioners of Landrake, on Monday, Messrs. BLAKE and O'DOGHERTY were nominated churchwardens by the vestry; the incumbent declining to name any churchwardens. -The election for Madron and Penzance, for the year ensuing, took place in the parish church on Easter Monday, Mr. SAMUEL YORK was nominated by the vicar, church, and chapel warden of Penzance, and Mr. SAMUEL HIGGS, sidesman. For the parish Mr. SAMUEL PHILLIPS was proposed by Mr. HICHENS and seconded by Mr. JOHN PENGELLY, to serve the office of churchwarden, and was unanimously re-elected. The meeting afterwards adjourned to the parish vestry-room, to inspect the churchwarden's accounts, when all the items were severally allowed. MR. DAWSON'S EASTER ENTERTAINMENTS - There was a good attendance on Monday lst, at Mr. Dawson's first entertainment in the Easter week at the Assembly-room, Truro. A great deal of amusement was created by witnessing the performances of "The Wedding Day" and the "King's Gardener"; and the rest of the evening was very agreeably passed with songs and dancing, and Shaksperian tableaux. FALMOUTH BURIAL GROUND The walls and chapels of the new burial ground at Hangman hill, near the Swanpool, are about to be immediately erected, at an estimated cost of GBP 700. About one acre and a half of the ground will be left unconsecrated, and separated by a dwarf wall with iron railings, where dissenters from the Church of England may bury with their accustomed rites. PENZANCE MESMERIC INSTITUTION On Monday evening, Mr. BOWMAN gave an interesting lecture on mesmerism, in the Public Hall, Prine's Street, which was well filled, there being several of the medical profession amongst the audience. Mr. S. PIDWELL occupied the chair. After the lecture, statements were made of curative effects produced on patients by MR. LATHROPE, of Penzance, and experiments were also made before the audience. PENZANCE INSTITUTE A scientific and instructive lecture on "Electricity" was delivered in the Public Hall, Prince's Street, on Tuesday evening last, by Mr. S. PIDWELL. NATURAL PHENOMENON IN CORNWALL In the parish of Saint Austell there is a singular phenomenon, which seems to have mightily puzzled the wits of the good neighbourhood, and in earlier times would certainly have given rise to some legend of Robin Goodfellow, or of hidden treasures. In the present day folk having grown wiser, or less imaginative, are contented to wonder at what they cannot comprehend. The phenomenon in question is the appearance of a light near the turnpike road at Hill Head, about three-quarters of a mile west of the town. In the summer it is not often visible, dry weather being most probably incompatible with the causes of the meteor; but in the winter, and more particularly in the months of November and December scarcely a dark night passes in which it may not be seen. Its appearance is that of a small flame, of a yellowish hue, and for the most part stationary; even when moving, it wanders very little from its usual spot, but alternately rises and descends over the same place. As it has existed from time immemorial, it has at length become so familiar to the people of the vicinity as to excite no attention, but at one period many attempts were made to discover its cause and nature, though without success. On approaching the spot where, according to previous observation, it should be, the flame invariably became invisible to the inquirer, even while remaining perfectly luminous to those who watched it at a distance. A level was then taken during its appearance by which the curious were guided in their researches, and still the phenomenon was pronounced to be as great a mystery as ever. There can be little doubt, however, notwithstanding its stationary character, that it was neither more nor less that a will-o'-the-wisp, and produced by the same causes, even though the soil was not actually marshy. - The Book of the Months. PORT OF FALMOUTH There is again a large fleet of merchant vessels in the Harbour. On Friday last, twenty-five vessels arrived, seventeen of which were foreigners. On Easter Sunday the flags of thirteen foreign nations were flying in the Harbour. On Good Friday some of the foreign vessels crossed their yards, lowered away their main gaff, and hoisted their colours half mast high as token of mourning. FINE COW The fine cow lately shown at Bodmin fair, by MR. STEPHENS of Hengar, was killed last week by MESSRS. BATE and BASTARD of Camelford. The weight was 8 cwt. 2 qrs. 23 lbs., and it was considered by all who saw it as the best beef ever shown in that market. DEATH OF MR. JOHN STEPHENS OF ADELAIDE The Adelaide papers bring intelligence of the death of MR. JOHN STEPHENS, proprietor of the South Australian Register. Mr. Stephens, we believe, was in the 47th year of his age; the nature of his disease is not mentioned. He was second son of the Rev. JOHN STEPHENS, Wesleyan minister, and younger brother of the REV. JOSEPH RAYNER STEPHENS, of Ashton. In Adelaide, he was much respected for his intelligence, probity, and incessant activity, in following out his own convictions of what tended to the public good. He was mainly instrumental in bringing to light the horrible treatment to which female emigrants to Adelaide were in some instances subjected by the captains and surgeons of ships. Mr. Stephens formerly carried on the printing business at St. Agnes, and subsequently at Truro. HELSTON PHILANTHROPIC SOCIETY On Monday last the members of this society held their first annual meeting at the Seven Stars Hotel, and after the transaction of the general business, the appointment of new officers, &c., they retired to the large dining-room, where about forty sat down to a most excellent dinner, consisting of delicacies of the season, the surgeon of the Institution, MR. ROSKRUGE, presiding. The guests were so much pleased with the entertainment provided by MR. HOOKER, whose efficiency is so well known, and contributed on this occasion so much to their comfort, that they unanimously resolved to make him a present in addition to his regular charges. After having enjoyed the many good things, and drank many loyal and appropriate toasts, between which were sung some concerted pieces by several of the old glee singers in their accustomed style of excellence, the company separated at an early hour, after mutually congratulating each other on having spent a most agreeable and harmonious day. PENZANCE GUILDHALL At the sittings of the borough Magistrates on Monday last, JOHN CARTER, of the parish of Madron, roper, was charged with having on the 12th instant, assaulted THOMAS WILDGOOSE, a lad of the same parish. It appeared from the evidence adduced, that the complainant had entered the defendant's ropery, on the day in question, and thrown a large piece of the rind of a Norway pine on a rope then in course of making, thereby causing the breaking of the rope and putting the defendant to much additional labour and expense. The defendant was very much provoked at the occurrence, and seized and beat the complainant. Fined 5s. and the expenses. -SALLY PHILLIPS, of Penzance, a single woman, was convicted of a charge of allowing prostitutes to assemble in her house, and was committed to the borough goal[sic] for one month, with hard labour. -RICHARD WHITE and WILLIAM BENNETTS, builders, of Penzance, summoned their apprentice RICHARD TALLACK, on a charge of running away and leaving his work, but ultimately consented to withdraw the summons on his promise of good behavior for the future. -JAMES VINE, beerseller, was fined 15s. 6d. for keeping his house open at improper hours. There were one or two other trifling cases. CORONER'S INQUESTS The following inquests have been held before Mr. HAMLEY, county coroner: On the 16th instant, on JOHN RETALLACK, an infant, at Luxulyan, about four months old. He had been a weakly child, was as well as usual on the preceding night, but on the mother waking in the morning, she found him dead in her arms. Verdict, "died from natural causes." -On the 15th instant, on SAMPSON PARSONS, a farmer, at Jacobstow. He had been at the Methodist Chapel on that day, and went to bed in perfect health. In about five minutes after he had been in bed his wife heard him making an extraordinary noise. She called her son from an adjoining room, but he was dead before he came. Verdict, Visitation of God. - On the 19th instant, on the body of RICHARD PENDRAY, at Bodmin. He had been out for a walk, and on coming home and sitting in a chair, his family saw there was something the matter with him, and got him into bed, but he died almost immediately. Verdict, visitation of God. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH - REGINA v. GARLAND Sittings in Banco, Before Lord Campbell, and Justices Pattison, Wightman, and Erle In the case of Regina v. Garland, Mr. CROWDER, Q.C., moved for a rule for a new trial, upon the ground that evidence had been improperly received. The indictment was for a public nuisance, and charged the defendant with burning crude arsenic, and that certain noisome and unwholesome smells did thence arise, so that the air was thereby corrupted and infected. The indictment was tried before Mr. Baron MARTIN, at the last assizes for the county of Cornwall, when the verdict was given for the Crown. Lord Campbell said he was of opinion that the evidence had been property admitted, to show the quality of the air which was alleged to have been corrupted by noisome and unwholesome smells. The other Judges expressing similar opinions, the rule was refused. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

This is actually broken into 2 parts; the first gives all the basic information regarding the crime, while the second contains the depositions in front of the magistrates regarding activities, etc. All the details in the second part are covered again in upcoming issues, as testimony is recorded for the ensuing trials, but they're interesting as they contain a great deal of details. ............................................................ WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER APRIL 25 1851 MURDER AT SILVERWELL IN THIS COUNTY It has happily been some years since the frightful crime of murder has been perpetrated in Cornwall, but we are sorry that we have again to add to the catalogue of heinous guilt, a murder committed in this county on Saturday last. The locality where the deed was perpetrated is called Silverwell, near the Chiverton Arms, on the road between Truro and St. Agnes, and about five miles from the former place. The murdered man, WILLIAM KENDALL, occupied a small farm, and lived in the house with his wife alone. This was his second wife, to whom he had been married about four years. Her former name was TEAGUE, and she had a son by her first husband, called ELIJAH TEAGUE, and now about seventeen years of age. This son lived with his mother and Mr. Kendall until January last, when he went to lodge at a neighbouring house with HENRY GROSE; but he still occasionally worked on the farm for his father-in-law, who was about seventy-two years of age. His father-in-law had on Saturday last ridden to Chacewater; and the young man was on that day working on the farm, employed in threshing and boiling turnips. His father-in-law was never more seen alive; but was discovered on Sunday morning dead in his own house, sitting on a chair in the parlour. There was a large wound over the centre of his forehead, of an irregular oval figure, two inches and a half in length and two inches in width. The mortal blows appeared to have been given with dreadful force; the bones were broken in, and the surgeon who was called, inserted his finger on the right side to the depth of nearly an inch. Sixty-one pieces of bone were extracted, and the fissures were driven an inch and a quarter below the surface of the skull. A hammer was found on the garden hedge, and this hammer fitted into the wound in the man's forehead. A white hair was found attached to the end of the hammer, and the surgeon, on a microscopical examination, believes it to be a human hair, and that in all probability it was torn from the deceased's eye-brow. An inquest has been held on the body, before Mr. JOHN CARLYON, county coroner. The inquiry commenced on Monday at eleven o'clock, was continued on Tuesday, and did not terminate until late on Tuesday night. The result was, that a verdict of "wilful murder" was returned against the deceased's son-in-law, Elijah Teague, who was apprehended under the Coroner's warrant, and has been committed to the county gaol at Bodmin, to take his trial at the next assizes. The evidence on which the jury grounded their verdict was of a singular character, and wholly circumstantial. The son-in-law was examined at the inquest, as well as other witnesses. He states that he found deceased, who had returned from Chacewater, about eighty yards from his own house, lying on the ground insensible, with a large wound in his head caused by a kick from his horse; that he then lifted him up, and carried him into his own house, his heels dragging on the ground. There do not appear, however, to be any marks of the body having been thus dragged over the ground. Deceased's wife was absent at this time, having gone to Henry Grose's (Elijah Teague's lodgings). On her returning and asking for her husband, Teague said he was in the parlour, but he would not allow her to go in, saying the horse had "thrown" to him, and it would hurry her. She did not go in, but went back to Grose's house, who called one or two neighbours, and with them and his wife proceeded to deceased's dwelling. When they got there they found deceased's wife walking up and down before the house, she having left Grose's house in the interim, and gone there. The neighbours found the door locked, and could not find the key where it was usually placed when no one was at home. As they could not get in, deceased's wife proposed that the door should be lifted from its hinges, but this was not done, and strange to say, no entry was made into the place until the next morning, when the old man was found dead in the parlour, as before described. The surgeon, Mr. Moyle, does not conceive the wound in deceased's forehead could have been caused by the kick of a horse, as stated by Elijah Teague, but that the injury was inflicted by two or more blows from some heavy instrument. Another circumstance was the fact of Elijah Teague having been about three hours absent from the house to call a surgeon (according to his own statement), and an explanation of which he was called on to give in his evidence. He also pointed out five spots of blood at the place where he says he found deceased's body before he took it into the house; but the surgeon gives his opinion that the spots are not blood that had flowed from a recent wound. The minute particulars of the case may, however, be fully ascertained on reading the annexed evidence. As may be imagined, the occurrence has excited a very painful sensation in the neighbourhood. On Sunday crowds of people were at the place from all parts of the district, and on the days on which the inquest was held, a great number of persons congregated about the house. The deceased was buried on Tuesday afternoon, in Chacewater church-yard, and a multitude of people followed the funeral. The following is the material part of the evidence given in the case, the first witness examined being the deceased's son-in-law: [everything onward from this place is repeating the above, and is also covered in the trial -am including it because details might prove interesting to some - jm] -ELIJAH TEAGUE deposed as follows: I am about 17 years of age, and have been keeping a school lately at Mount Oram in this parish. The deceased was my father-in-law. He was a small farmer, about 72 years of age, and married to my mother about four years ago. I resided with him and my mother up to about January last. I then went to live with Henry Grose and his family. I went there because my mother could not attend to two men, her husband and me; it was too much work for her. I had no quarrel with either of them at the time I parted from them. I have frequently gone to assist them in their work ever since, and I helped the deceased in putting in all his corn. I saw him in the croft last Friday or Thursday morning. He then told me he had several jobs to do and asked me to help him on last Saturday.. I went there accordingly on that day and thrashed for him and boiled some turnips. Deceased had gone to Chacewater. No one lived in the house with him besides his wife. After I had finished boiling the turnips, about eight o'clock, I started to go home and my mother went with me. After we had gone a little way, my mother told me to go back and drive some sheep out of the seedling grass. I went back to do so, and she went on to Henry Grose's by herself. I found four sheep in the seeds and drove them out. After I had driven out three of them, I heard some horses up at the gateway, screaming and making a noise the same as I had heard at other times, and I also heard a gate fall - one was an entire horse and the other was a mare. After I had driven out the other sheep, I went up to replace the gate for fear the horses might break it. I then saw three horses there near the gateway. The third was the one deceased had rode to Chacewater. I did not know till I saw it there, that deceased had returned from Chacewater. The saddle was on him and the bridle in his head,. I looked on one side and saw deceased lying on the ground. I was frightened at seeing him there, but I went forth to him and took hold of him by the collar of his coat and called to him, but could get no mouth-speech from him. There was no one else present. I saw he had a large wound in his forehead. The three horses were a short distance from him. One of them (the dark bay mare) we generally kept fettered, and I saw that she had one end of a fetter fastened to her fore leg, the other end was loose. I did not stop to fasten the other fetter, but got hold of deceased and carried him into his house as well as I could. I lifted him up with his back towards me, and put my arms under his and dragged him into the house. His head was resting on my breast near my shoulder. I could not lift him entirely off the ground, and his heels were dragging on the road. The distance was about eighty yards. When I got him in I placed him on a chair in the parlour, and was going out to see for some one to assist me, when I met my mother in the doorway. She was then returning from Henry Grose's. I told her she must go for a doctor or I must, and she stay there as deceased was very poorly. She asked what was the matter. I told her the mare threw to him. I supposed this to be the case from seeing the loose fetter. I would not allow her to see him because I was afraid it would hurry her. She called in to him, and I heard him say something but I don't know what. In about five or ten minutes she went away and left me there by myself. I thought she was gone to send in some one to assist me. After she was gone, I boiled some water, which I poured into a tub, and then put deceased's feet into it. After waiting for a long time, perhaps an hour or more, but I cannot say how long, no one came, and I lighted a piece of candle which I left burning in the parlour, and went out intending to go to Truro to bring out my brother and brother-in-law and a doctor. When I left the house, I locked the door and put the key over the stable door, where it was usually kept. When I got near Chevelah, in my way to Truro, I fell in with a woman who told me she was going to Truro, and I asked her to tell my brother and brother-in-law that deceased was very ill and that they must come out. I don't know who she was. I told her the horse had thrown to deceased. I did not say anything to her about a doctor because I thought I could get one from Chacewater sooner, and I went there for one and called on Mr. Moyle, and desired him to come out. I told him I believed the mare had thrown to deceased. He said he was waiting upon a patient, but that he would come out as soon as he could. He told me to put some wet cloths upon deceased's head. I then returned to deceased's house and found everything there as I had left it, except that the candle was burnt out. I took down the key from over the stable door, and went into the house and put a wet cloth over the deceased's head as Mr. Moyle had ordered. I thought I could perceive a little breath in him, but I cannot swear that I did. I remained about a minute or two, and then went down to Henry Grose's and got him to return with me. We both went into the room where deceased was. He was still in the same position. I don't know whether he was dead or alive. We remained in the house three or four hours. I did nothing more to deceased than put a wet cloth over his head, and his foot in warm water twice. In the morning about six or seven o'clock, my mother and MARY GROSE came to us, and I went again to Chacewater to fetch Mr. Moyle, and Henry Grose went to Truro with the pony to tell my brother and brother-in-law to come out. We left my mother and Mary Grose in the house. By the Jury - The deceased left the house to go to Chacewater between five and six o'clock on Saturday evening. There are two roads he might have taken. He generally came back by the But-lane. The trowsers produced are mine. I wore them all last week. The two shirts, neck-tie, coat, and pair of shoes also produced are mine. I don't know which of the shirts I wore last Saturday, but I wore one of them and the other clothes. The waistcoat I wore is at my mother's where the jury saw it. (We understand that there were a few spots of blood on the trousers; but none on any other part of the clothes.) From the time I parted with my mother, to drive out the sheep, until I discovered the deceased on the ground, might have been a quarter or half-an-hour. I can't say exactly how long it was. -ELIJAH TEAGUE, re-examined on Tuesday: I put the deceased's feet in warm water the second time after I returned from Mr. Moyle's. When I returned from Mr. Moyle's his feet were in the tub, but the water was nearly cold. I took some of the water with a little wooden dish, and washed his face with it, and then threw the water out of the dish into the court. The dish would hold a large tea-cup full of water. I then put my hand under deceased's legs to lift them up, and take away the tub, but I did not lift them high enough, and, in taking away the tub, I spilt some of the water about the room. I immediately after that added some warm water to what was left in the tub, and put deceased's feet into it again. I think he was alive at this time, but I am not certain. I could not perceive any life in him. I had put the wet cloth over his head the first thing after I had washed his face, and before I had attempted to remove the tub - at least, I believe so, I am not certain. I removed the wet cloth before I went to Henry Grose's. The other span was fastened to the hind leg of the horse on Sunday morning about six or seven o'clock. JOHN COCKING held the horse by the head whilst I did it, and R. Moyle was also present. I had the cramp in my legs four or five times in my way to Truro to fetch my relations and a doctor; and, on those occasions I was obliged to rest against a hedge. I fell in with a young woman going to Truro, in the valley between Capt. HAMLEY's new house and Chevelah. After I had spoken with her, and she had promised to tell my brother and brother-in-law what had happened, I turned to go to Chacewater. After I had gone a short way, a carriage drawn by two horses, overtook me, and I got up behind it. It went on the St. Agnes road. I got off near JOHN HORE's and walked from thence to Chacewater by the great road. Sometimes the deceased fettered the horse and sometimes I did. I have fettered it before now without any one holding its head, but not when the other horses were near. When I returned from Mr. Moyle's I lighted the candle with a Lucifer match. I think the fire had gone out, but I lighted it again. I don't know whether this was before or after I washed deceased's face. At the time my mother returned the first time from HENRY GROSE's, I saw no other person with her, nor did I hear any other person outside. My sister's child, ELIZABETH JANE KEAN DUNSTAN, slept at Henry Grose's on Saturday night. When I and my mother went out to go to Grose's on Saturday night, I don't recollect that my mother said she was going there to bring her back. I never left the deceased down after I took hold of him to get him in. When I got to the door I had him on my right arm, and opened the door with my left hand. The door was locked. I am not certain whether the key was in the door or on the corner of the hedge. I am sure it was not over the stable door. I locked the door when I went out to go to Grose's but whether I left the key in the door or put it in the corner of the hedge, I do not recollect. It was sometimes put in the corner of the hedge, and sometimes over the stable door. The deceased did not bleed much after I took him up from the ground. -JOHN MOYLE deposed as follows - I am a surgeon practicing at Chacewater, and have done so from fifteen to sixteen years. On Saturday last, about twelve o'clock at night, Elijah Teague came to my house and wished me to see Mr. Kendall, his father-in-law, who he said had received a kick from the old mare whilst he was in the act of fettering her. He then asked me if his mother had not been at my house. I told him I had not seen her myself, having been from home the whole of the day, neither had I heard of her having been there. He said, then I suppose she must have gone to Truro. I told him I had a previous engagement, but that I would go and see Mr. Kendall as soon as I could. He said, I hope you will, as he appears to be stunned by the blow, and has a small cut in his forehead. He then pointed out with his finger on my head where the cut was. I supposed from this it was over his right temple. Supposing it to be a slight case, I requested him to go back and apply a cold and wet cloth to the wound. He replied that he was afraid to go home, that he had locked the old man in, and I think he added that he had the key in his pocket, but I cannot be positive as to that. He asked me if Kendall died whether the old mare would be knocked in the head. I told him I did not know. He then told me that he kept a school at Mount Oram, and asked me if there had not been a voting for parish officers or guardians. I told him I believe there had been. He asked who had been elected. I told him I scarcely knew. He asked if my father was elected. I told him not for Kenwyn but for Kea parish. (He was a candidate for the office of guardian in both these parishes.) He then told me he had had a half a score of papers, meaning voting papers, brought to him and that he had filled up half a dozen for certain persons. He did not mention names, but my impression was that he meant me to believe that he put initials opposite the names of the candidates who resided in this neighbourhood. As the conversation was irrelevant, I did not ask him for an explanation. I heard nothing more about the deceased until a little before six on Sunday morning, when Elijah Teague again came to my house and told me Kendall or old Kendall, I forget which he said, was dead, and that he wished me to go over. He asked if I intended to ride or walk; if the latter, he said he expected that his brother's trap would be at Mr. Kendall's and that he would drive me down, meaning back. I rode over on horseback by the way of But Lane, and when I reached near the north-west end of the outer lane on deceased's premises I saw Elijah Teague and John Cocking standing there together. The latter drew my attention to sundry spots of blood on the roadway where the body was said to have been found. I did not then examine those spots minutely but rode on to the house, on entering which I saw Mrs. Kendall in the kitchen sitting at the east end of the table, and Mary Grose sitting in the large chimney or near it. I asked if Mr. Kendall was up stairs. I believe they both said no, he is in the parlour. I turned round and opened the parlour door and saw placed on a chair in the southwest corner of the room what appeared to be the body of a man covered with two coats, an old cloak, and an old water-proof over coat. On removing the latter coat I recognized the deceased to be William Kendall, who had been known to me for at least fifteen years. I looked at the wound in deceased's forehead, and was satisfied it was not caused by a kick from a horse, but that it had been inflicted by two or more blows from some heavy instrument. I stated this at the time to John Cocking and Elijah Teague. The room was rather in a disordered state. Near the feet of the deceased stood a tub containing water, not bloody. The floor under deceased's legs was very wet, and on the north side the wet spot had a shading of blood. There was a small spot of coagulated blood on the floor, near the back of the room. The deceased's shoes were near this spot; I examined them, and found on the outside of the left one a small spot of blood, which had fallen from above downwards. The right one was stained with blood on the inside near the heel, which appeared to have been mixed with sand. The only offensive weapons I could discover in the room, and which I examined in the presence of Cocking, were two pokers, a fire shovel, and a flat iron, but neither of them had been offensively used. I then went with Cocking and Elijah Teague to examine the spot where the latter told me he had found the deceased. I saw five small spots of very dark coagulated blood, perhaps together amounting from one to two table spoonfuls. They were isolated spots, having an average intervening space free from blood of from eight to ten inches. I expressed my surprise at seeing so little blood from so large a wound in the forehead. To this observation I received no reply. Elijah Teague told me that he pulled the old man, meaning the deceased, from that place to his house, but there were no appearances of a heavy body having trailed along the road. I requested Cocking to cover the spots of blood in the lane - first, with a gate and over it with a faggot of furze. This he did. To the best of my belief, there was no loose furze or browse in the lane immediately near the spots of blood. I was shown a hat, I believe by Elijah Teague, said to be the deceased's, and to have been lying in the road all night. It did not appear to be injured. After examining the place all round, to see if I could discover anything to throw a light on the case, I returned to the house and requested that deceased should not be removed from the chair on which he was till he had been seen by the coroner and jury. On Monday last, yesterday, I stripped the deceased in the presence of the jury. There were no marks of violence on any part of the body except the head. I had the hind shoes removed from the old mare, and one hind shoe from the colt. The latter, at the request of Elijah Teague's brother, WILLIAM. I applied these shoes to the wound on deceased's forehead, at the request of the jury, in a variety of ways, but neither of them corresponded in shape or size with the wound. I waited a considerable time whilst the premises were being searched for the purpose of endeavouring to find an instrument likely to have caused such a wound, and went out myself and again examined the place where deceased was said to have been found. In my way back to the house I took the hammer now produced from off the garden hedge. Attached to the small end of it I found a strong white hair, which I now produce. I then applied the hammer to the wound in the presence of the coroner and jury, and found that the small end of it accurately fitted the right side of the wound, and very nearly corresponded with the left side of it, which I believe was caused by a second blow. The wound was situated near the centre of the forehead, and was of an irregular oval figure, measuring two and a half inches in length, and two inches in length. The integuments were very much lacerated or jagged and torn, and so much depressed with the bone, that I readily inserted my finger on the right side, to the depth of nearly an inch. After removing the scalp I traced the size and shape of the opening in the frontal bone. I then removed sixty-one pieces of bone. The blows must have been given with great force, evidenced by the fact of there being no fissures radiating from the opening into the bone, and from the great depth to which they had been driven, viz., one inch and a quarter below the surface of the skull. The dura mater was not torn. The longitudinal sinus was not opened. This is a large blood vessel running from above the root of the nose over the head between the membranes of the brain. Perhaps this will account for so little blood having been seen. I am of opinion that the injury could not have been inflicted by a kick from the horse, and that either of the blows would have caused deceased's death; that the first blow must have rendered the deceased insensible and unconscious, and that the injury to the deceased's skull might have been caused by the hammer now produced. I do not think that he could have breathed for more than two hours after the blow had been inflicted, and perhaps for a much less time. I have made a microscopal examination of the hair found on the hammer, and am of opinion that it is a human hair form the eyebrows of an aged person. I have this day removed several hairs from the deceased's eyebrow, and have examined one with the aid of a microscope. The resemblance of it to the one I took from the hammer was so striking that I believe it to be a human hair, and that, in all probability, it was forcibly torn from deceased's eyebrow. By the Jury - From the appearance of the spots of blood on the ground near where deceased was said to have been found, and from their having so slightly stained the ground, I do not think it could have flowed from a recent wound. I saw no blood about the hammer when I took it into the house. -MARY GROSE, the wife of Henry Grose, deposed as follows: Elijah Teague has been living with me and my husband since the 8th of January last. I recollect his coming home last Saturday evening between twelve and one o'clock. He had not been home before the day after two or three o'clock. I believe he had the same clothes on in the evening when he came in as he had when I saw him about two or three o'clock. He shifted his clothes the Sunday morning, and left them in his bedroom. I saw them there. I observed nothing particular about them. On Saturday evening, Mrs. Kendall came to our house about seven o'clock, and stopped between half-an-hour and an hour. She then went home, but returned again a little before nine. I am sure it was not past nine. She was then very much frightened, and told us she believed that the mare had thrown the deceased, and she did not know whether he was not dead. She asked us to go up. I said we would call a neighbour and go there. We called William Sandoe and his wife, and we went up together. We had left Mrs. Kendall at our house, but when we got to Kendall's we found her outside the house. Finding we could not open the door, Mrs. Kendall went to see if the key was over the stable door. She could not find it there. I then searched in the same place for it, but could not find it. I never searched for it any where else, nor did she that I know of. After a time we all went back to my house. After stopping a short time, my husband and William Sandoe went to catch a pony for the former to ride to Truro. After they had gone, Mrs. Sandoe and myself went out to meet the two men. I had a saddle with me. Mrs. Kendall joined us after we got to the lane. Not seeing them we went up to the house. We saw no one there, and did not stop long nor go inside. In our way back the men heard us talking, and called to us. They had got the pony with them, but my husband did not ride it. He put it in the stable. William Sandoe and his wife went to their house in Butt-lane, and Mrs. Kendall came into our house with us. Soon afterwards, Elijah Teague came in. He said he was expecting the doctor every minute, and asked my husband to go back with him, which he did. After daybreak, Mrs. Kendall and myself went together to the house. This was about five o'clock. We met my husband near our house. He said deceased was no more, and that he was going to Truro. We went on and saw Elijah at the house. Mrs. Kendall went up stairs and I staid down below. I did not go into the room where the body was. There was no light when I went to the deceased's house the first time. The second time we thought before we reached the house there was one, but we could not see it when we got there. -HENRY GROSE deposed as follows: Elijah Teague has resided with me from about the middle of last January. He left our house last Saturday morning, and I did not see him again till about midnight. He then came to my house and asked if I had heard that the horse had thrown to Mr. Kendall and almost killed him. I told him we had heard it from his mother. He told us he had been to the doctor, who had promised to come. He and I went to William Sandoe's and told him that Elijah had been for the doctor and was returned. He, William Sandoe, and his wife were both gone to bed. Elijah and me then went to Kendall's house together. The door was locked. He went straight to the door and unlocked it. I don't know where he took the key from. As soon as we got to the house he unlocked the door, he did not go beyond the door before he unlocked it, that I am positive of. The stable is at the western end of the house. I am quite sure he did not pass the house door before he unlocked it. When we got inside I saw the deceased in the parlour sitting in a chair, his head lying back. He appeared quite stiff, and his arms were hanging down by his sides. I merely looked inside the parlour door. I did not go into the room. There was no light there at first. Elijah got one soon after we got in. In about three-quarters of an hour I went into the room. Elijah went with me. He had been lighting a fire, and neither of us had gone into the room before. Deceased was dead and stiff, and had a wound in his forehead. There was some blood about his face, but not a great quantity. His feet were in a tub of water. He was in the south-west corner of the room. I held the candle whilst Elijah wiped off some blood from deceased's face with a bit of wet cloth. The blood that was there was nearly dried up. Elijah Teague described to me the way in which he took the deceased to the house, and then showed me the spot where he found him. He did not appear to be much cast down about what had happened. It was after one o'clock when Elijah and me went to the house. -EDWARD MICHELL, of Tregavethan, deposed as follows: Elijah Teague came to my house last Sunday evening, between half-past-six and seven o'clock. Referring to what had happened to deceased, I asked him how he had not sent for me or some one, and why he stayed so long by himself. He said he did not know what to do. I asked him where he was when it happened. He said he was down the lower side of the field driving the sheep out over the hedge; and he heard a racket with the horses, and went up to see what was the matter, and when he got to the spot he saw three horses there, and deceased lying near them. I asked him how he got the corpse into the house from there. He described to me how he did it, in the same way as he did to the jury this morning. He told me he carried him into the kitchen, and put him in a chair near the fire-place; that he found he was slipping and therefore took him into the parlour and placed him in an elbow chair. I saw him again last evening, soon after the jury had separated. This was just outside the deceased's house. I was assisting him in putting his brother's horse into the gig. I said to him, "Elijah, how can you stand this?" meaning that I thought the inquiry was against him, and that I thought him guilty. He replied "What is the use to take fear before fear comes." I told him I would not be summoned on the jury, on any account, for my mind told me he was guilty. He made no reply to that. I asked him afterwards what he could have done with the blood. He said he dipped it up in a tub in the room where the corpse then was. I also asked him how he came to leave the hammer where it was. He replied that it was not concealed. I told him I heard there was hair found about it. He said that might be goat's hair. - MARY KENDALL deposed as follows - Deceased was my husband. He left home to go to Chacewater last Saturday evening, about six or seven o'clock. Elijah Teague boiled some turnips for the pigs after he went away. About eight o'clock he left to go to Henry Grose's were he lived. I had gone out just before him, intending to go there also. After I had .... the croft I looked behind and saw him coming. Before he came quite up to me, I saw there were some sheep in the seeds, and I told him to drive them out. He went back for that purpose. I went on to Mary Grose's, Henry Grose's wife. He had reached the croft, I believe, when I spoke to him. I had passed the place where deceased was found before I spoke to my son. I am sure he must have passed it as well. The deceased was not lying there then. I went to Grose's and remained there perhaps a half or three-quarters of an hour. I then returned home. On my return, my son Elijah was in the kitchen. I asked if deceased was come. He replied yes. I asked where he was. He said he was down in the parlour. I was going to open the door. He said I must not see him; he was hurted. The mare had thrown to him. He prevented me from opening the door. I called in to him, and I thought he spoke to me, but I could not distinguish what he said. I then went away and said I was going to Truro. I went as far at Butt-lane Gate through the Croft. There I began to think I could not go so far, and I again went to Mary Grose's. I told them what had happened, and asked them to go up. Mary Grose did not like to go by herself. She asked me to stay where I was, and she and her husband went over to WILLIAM SANDOE's to ask them to go with them. As soon as they went away I found I could not stop there, and returned home. I got to the house before any one had arrived. I walked up and down till the others, Henry Grose and his wife, and Sandoe and his wife arrived. We then found we could not open the door. I proposed we get a pick and have the door lifted off the hinges, but this was not approved of. I then went to look for the key, which was usually kept over the stable door. I could not find it there, but I put my hand on something; I don't know whether it was the key or not. I then proposed to take out a pane of glass, but nothing was done; and when we found that we could not get into the house, we all returned to Henry Grose's. After that, I asked Henry Grose to go to Truro, to bring out my son-in-law and my son. He did not appear very willing to do so, and I told him and Sandoe to go and get one of our horses to ride there. They both left to catch the horse, and told Mary Grose to bring the saddle out to the gate, and they would put on the saddle there. In the course of a short time I went out with Mary Grose, and she took the saddle with her. We stopped in Butt-lane a few minutes, and Henry Grose and Sandoe brought the horse there. After Henry Grose had put on the saddle, he said we had better leave it a little while, as no doubt Elijah would come soon. The horse was then put in Henry Grose's stable, and I and Mary Grose went in. Sandoe and his wife had gone to their house in Butt-lane. Henry Grose put the horse in the stable, and after that came in to us. In a short time Elijah came to us, and said he had been to the doctor's, who had been with or was going to a woman, but that he would come as soon as he could. I don't know what time this was, about eleven I should think. I told Elijah and Henry Grose to go back directly, and they went away together. I and Mary Grose followed them soon afterwards, perhaps an hour or an hour and half, or longer. In our way home, we met Henry Grose, who told us that he was going to Truro, and that deceased was dead. We went on home, and found Elijah there, but I can't say where. I went up stairs without seeing the deceased, and I believe Mary Grose came up after me. We went down stairs several times before Mr. Moyle arrived, but neither of us went into the parlour where the body was. My husband generally returned from Chacewater by way of Butt-lane. I observed nothing out of place in the house. I have seen the hammer produced. It was the deceased's hammer. We have had the horse we have been in the habit of fettering about two years. We have always kept it fettered to prevent it from going over hedges and kicking the other horses. I never heard deceased say he was afraid the horse would kick him. The Jury, after hearing the Coroner's summing up, and having had their attention drawn by him to the points of evidence principally bearing on the subject of inquiry, eventually agreed unanimously to a verdict of "Wilful Murder against Elijah Teague," who, as before stated, has been apprehended and conveyed to the county gaol, to await his trial at the next assizes. There does not appear in the above evidence anything to show a motive for the committal of the act, but it is stated in the neighbourhood that there were frequent disagreements between the deceased and his son-in-law. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. 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Dear David, I do not have the National Burial Index(nor could I do lookups from it as a previous member has explained) but, if this is the Stephen Dawe who is in Egloskerry in 1891 as a widower you could try using the CFHS to see if there is a Monumental Inscription for him in Egloskerry. I doubt if he woiuld be in the national burial index anyway this late. You can see what the CFHS does at www.cornwallfhs.com Regards, Susan in Wadebridge CFHS 9508 OPC for St Merryn, St Ervan, St Eval, St Mawgan & St Columb Major Parish Reconstruction up to 1891 on St Merryn, St Ervan, St Eval, St Mawgan, Padstow, St Issey, Little Petherick, St Wenn, Withiel, Egloshayle, St Breock, St Columb Major & Minor, Newlyn East, St Kew, St Mabyn & St Tudy http://cornwall-opc.org/ http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Nelson" <atgn@elder53.fsnet.co.uk> To: "Dave & Mary Dawe" <14squires@sky.com> Cc: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] National Burial Index Lookup please > not allowed to do ;ook ups as part of licence conditions > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave & Mary Dawe" <14squires@sky.com> > To: <CORNISH-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:59 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] National Burial Index Lookup please > > >> >> Hi listers >> >> Would SKS look up the burial of Stephen DAWE in1897 third quarter. >> I anticipate in the Launceston area >> >> Many thanks >> >> David Dawe >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2816 - Release Date: 04/17/10 07:31:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2816 - Release Date: 04/17/10 07:31:00