Dear Folks Some further information re Richard Penhale / Penhall. West Briton and Cornwall Advertise. May 16 1851 DEATHS At Helston, on Monday last, Mr. Richard PENHALE, for many years policeman of that borough, aged 70 years. His name has been reported incorrectly, and the following is what I have been able to put together on Richard Penhall and his daughter Kitty, who emigrated to Australia. Richard Penhall was baptised 6th or 8th of June 1783, to parents Samuel Penhall 1745-1827 and Agnes Bennetts 1746-1792, both of Camborne. Richards siblings were: Christopher bapt. 10/11/1776, Camborne Samuel bapt. 29/11/1778, Camborne Elizabeth bapt. 16/04/1781, Camborne William bapt. 15/01/1786, Camborne. Alice on 21/12/1787, Helston William on 2/03/1790, Helston. The family moved to Helston sometime in 1786-1787. Richard married Christian Stephens 1793-1837 of Helston, on 28 Sep 1819 in Helston. Richard is listed in the 1841, age 50, living in Wendron St, Helston, occupation carpenter and policeman. He is a widower by this time. The children listed living with him are William 15, Samuel 14, Jane 12, Ann 9 and Christian 5. In the 1851 Census, he is 68 years, a policeman, born Camborne, and living in Wendron St with his two daughters, Jane 22, a dressmaker and Kitty 15. There was also another son Christopher born in 1822, who is listed in the 1841 Census as a private in the Royal Marines and was living in the Royal Marine Barracks Structure. Christopher, William and Jane were baptized under the surname PENHAUL. My connection with this family came through Richard's daughter Kitty, who used the names Catherine and Kitty. She is the Christian aged 5 in the 1841 Census. There has been some confusion with regard to her, which I will try to clarify. There is no baptism record for Catherine / Kitty. She next appears as Kitty SHUGG on the ship Mary Green in 1853 when she is listed as age 18. Her father died when she was 15 and, so she is either travelling under the protection of the Shugg family or is working as a domestic servant for them, as described on the passenger list. She married Richard Shugg in 1854 in Adelaide, South Australia. He was the eldest son of James and Elizabeth Shugg, the family whose name she travelled under, and he had emigrated 4 years earlier on the Trafalgar to Adelaide. Richard and Kitty Shugg travelled to Melbourne, Victoria possibly by local shipping, with Richard's cousins, brothers John and Thomas Shugg and their wives, who had also been on the ship Mary Green. In Melbourne, the 3 young couples camped by the Yarra River and worked for a short time, before buying a bullock dray and provisions, and walking to the Victorian goldfields over a 3 week period. They settled in the goldfield town of Maryborough, Victoria in early 1855. We know this story through a document dictated by John Shugg's wife, Barbara Ann (nee Hunt). She had also travelled out on the Mary Green, and married John Shugg in Adelaide, Sth Australia. The birth records for her Kitty's children show their mother named as both Catherine and Kitty. She died in 1901, at home in Outtrim St, Maryborough, listed as an old age pensioner. Her death certificate states she was 68 years (making her birth year 1833) and had lived 47 years in Victoria. Her parents were listed as Richard Penhall, police constable and Christian Stevens. The Maryborough Historical Society has a pioneer portrait of Mrs Catherine Shugg taken in 1900 to commemorate the pioneer settlers of that town. I believe another of Catherine / Kitty's sisters, Ann 1832-1863 emigrated to Victoria and married a Leonard Roberts in 1852, in Melbourne. I would like to find out what happened to her other brothers and sisters, so would be very interested to hear from anyone else researching this family. Kind regards, Rowena In Melbourne

West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. Friday, 30th May, 1851. A WESLEYAN MINISTER JOINING THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND - We understand that the Rev. E. GEAKE, Wesleyan Minister, of Marazion, will shortly join the church of England. He has resigned his office in the Wesleyan connexion. HELSTON - The annual renewing of the bounds of this borough which took place on Wednesday the 28th instant, was celebrated in a very different manner to what it has been for many years past. The mayor Mr. GLYNN GRYLLS, the corporation, and a large number of very respectable inhabitants assembled at the Guildhall at nine o'clock, a.m., and shortly after they formed into procession, preceded by a bank of music, and made a tour of the boundary of the borough, inspecting the numerous land-marks, and going through such formalities as are usual at such transactions. The distance which is about seven miles, occupied them between six and seven hours. At half-past four the greater part of the persons who formed the procession, dined together at the Angel Inn. The hurling, which always follows the foregoing ceremony, was carried on in a most enthusiastic manner for more than three hours, in which more than two hundred players were engaged. In the evening, there was a wrestling match in the Lower Green for various prizes, when there was some good play exhibited. Altogether, with the bells ringing merrily throughout the day, the procession, the hurling, and the wrestling, it made quite a gay day. THE LATE WRECK AT THE BRESONS - Presentation of Medals. - On Monday last the presentation of medals from the Royal National Institution for the Preservation of Life from Shipwreck, to the commander and crew of H.M. revenue cruizer "Sylvia," in recognition of their noble and daring services in rescuing the survivors of the shipwrecked vessel "New Commercial" from the Bresons rock in January last, took place at the Custom House, Penzance. The presentation was made by Capt. R. A. STUART, R.N., Inspecting Commander of the Penzance district. To Captain THOMAS R, FORWARD, commander of the "Sylvia," was presented a gold Medallion; and to the following, each a silver medal:- C. S. CARR, gunner; HENRY RICHARDS, mariner; JAMES RICHARDS, mariner: WILLIAM SURRY, mariner; HENRY JONES, ordinary mariner. A silver medal had also been awarded to JAMES WARD, a first class boy (but who is removed to another district.) Captain Stuart took occasion to express the pleasure he had in presenting testimonials which had been so nobly earned. At the same time a silver medal was presented to WILLIAM HENRY SEELY, gunner; who, we understand, rendered great assistance to Capt DAVIES in fixing the rocket in the boat previous to its being fired. Seely had previously in his possession three other medals - a war medal, for services in China; a medal for saving life on the coast of Sussex; and a medal for saving life from the "kitty" at Long Rock, on this coast. THE LATE Mr. CHARLES LYNE STEPHENS - The late Mr. CHARLES LYNE STEPHENS whose death at the age of eighty-eight, at Roehampton, in Surrey, we announced last week, was son of the Rev. JOHN LYNE, many years since rector of St. Ive. When only twelve years of age Mr. Stephens went out to Lisbon and was employed as clerk to his cousin Mr. LEWIS STEPHENS. He continued in connection with this gentleman till the death of the latter in 1800, when he became heir to a considerable portion of his property amounting to about GBP30,000. In 1826 at the death of Mr. JOHN JAMES STEPHENS also a merchant at Lisbon, he came into the possession of an accession of property, amounting it is believed, to more than a million sterling, and at the same time he added the name of Stephens to his own. The late Mr. C. L. Stephens was distinguished by great benevolence of character, and very few who really required assistance ever applied to him in vain. His immense property which is now supposed to amount to nearly two millions has been left to his on and granddaughter at Roehampton. Two of his sisters we understand are now resident at Liskeard. His brother, the late Mr. EDWARD LYNE was a merchant at Plymouth, and two of his nephews, the late Benjamin and Edward Lyne, were well-known solicitors at Liskeard. To the exertions of Mr. B. Lyne we believe it was principally due that Mr. Stephens succeeded in obtaining possession of the property which fell to him on the death of Mr. J. J. Stephens, and in gratitude for his services on that occasion, Mr. C. L. Stephens we have understood presented him with several thousand pounds. TRURO POLICE - On Friday last, JOHN HART, WILLIAM PALMER, and ANN PALMER, who were remanded from the previous Tuesday, on a charge of stealing money from JOHN GEORGE ELKINGTON, a sub-contractor on the West Cornwall Railway, were discharged by the magistrates, as Elkington failed to appear against them, having left the town that morning. On Saturday last, JOHN GIDLEY, of Castle-street, Truro, was committed to take his trial for stealing a pick, belonging to SAMUEL DATE, of Daniell-street. PRISCILLA MERTON, a girl of fourteen, living in Goodwives-lane, was charged with picking the pocket of MARY PEARCE of St. Enoder, and stealing from her a purse and 2s. She was also charged with picking the pocket of ELIZABETH BASSETT, of Trefullock, near the Blue Anchor, and with stealing therefrom a purse and 4s. 6d. in silver. It appeared that on Saturday last the women above named were in two drapers' shops in Truro, for the purpose of making money. The girl Merton being seen very close to them, was suspected, and afterwards taken into custody. After hearing the evidence, the magistrates committed her for trial at the ensuing sessions. GUILDHALL, FALMOUTH - On Tuesday last, a case of assault was brought before the magistrates, which from its peculiarity excited considerable sensation, and caused the hall to be more than usually filled. The complainant, Mr. RICHARD BAILEY, is one of the notabilities of Falmouth - pre-eminently a public character - inoffensive, and officiates in the various capacities where his services are required, such as the showman's guide, distributor of advertisements, placard bearer, and general intelligencer. Mr. Bailey, already sufficiently conspicuous, not content with the prominent position in which he figured, affects a costume more diversified in its sartorial arrangements than are consonant with correct taste, and to all appearance seems little disposed to subject them to the process of purification by the brush; but in addition he encourages the growth of his hair to a length unequalled since the days of the son of Manoah and Absalom, and give unlimited license to the development of his yellow mustachios, beard, and whiskers; these he cherishes with religious care. It appeared that in the occasional services in which he was engaged at the King's Arms Hotel, he was discovered fast asleep by some young gentlemen, who amused themselves whilst in his slumbers, by depriving him of a portion of his pilous growth. Although the loss sustained was scarcely discernible, his anger was great, and for several days he figured with a muffler before his mouth, and stated to the bench, that his health had suffered from the abstraction, that he "had had a headache ever since," and that he from debility was unable to perform his ordinary duties, which caused much mirth in the hall. The Magistrates find the offender 5s. with costs, at the same time stating to the complainant that had he followed the fashion of the defendant who appeared a decently shaved young gentleman he could not have been exposed to the annoyance of which he complained. HELSTON PETTY SESSIONS - These sessions were held on the 24th instant, JOHN MICHELL, HENRY DALLY[?], JAMES WINN, WILLIAM WILLIAMS, JOHN JENKIN and BENNET WINN, were summoned by RICHARD CHAPPEL, JOHN PENBERTHY, and WILLIAM H. PASCOE, for assaults committed on them on the 17th instant. Mr. HILL appeared on behalf of the three complainants, and Mr. PLOMER for defendants. It appeared from the evidence that Chappel is a constable and a bailiff of the County Court, that he attended at Tremenheere estate in Wendron on the 17th instant, for the purpose of executing warrants against ELIZABETH MICHELL the tenant of the estate, and WILLIAM MICHELL her son, and also to levy a distress for rent due to the Honourable ANNA MARIA AGAR. Elizabeth Michell and William Michell have left the estate to avoid the warrants, and a daughter of Elizabeth Michell is left in possession. Chappel and his assistant stated that they found the back door of the premises about half-past five o'clock in the morning of the 17th, entered and levied a distress on the articles in the house. Chappel took part of the goods to Helston, and left PENBERTHY and PASCOE his assistants in possession of the remainder. Shortly after Chappel left, the defendants came to the house, and ejected the complainants and committed the assaults complained of. Chappel returned about twelve o'clock and found defendant in possession of the house, and John Michell son of Elizabeth Michell, refused Chappel admittance, and used violent threats. For the defence, it was contended that the complainants got into the house unlawfully, by breaking a window and the defendants acted under the bona fide belief that they were doing that which was right. The defendants were severally fined. The fines and costs amounted to GBP10. 3s. 8d. which defendants paid. William Michell was summoned for assisting in fraudulently removing certain bullocks from Tremenheere, to avoid a distress for rent. The Bench considered there was not sufficient evidence to make an order. ASSAULT ON POLICE - On Monday last, before Sir JOSEPH SAWLE GRAVES SAWLE, Bart., CHARLES HENDRE, and WILLIAM UREN, of St. Austell, were charged with having assaulted police constable JOHN WESTLAKE, whilst engaged in the execution of his duty, on the night of the 24th. The assault was attended with considerable violence, and it was decided to send the case for hearing at the Quarter Sessions. Each of the prisoners entered into his own recognizance in GBP40 with two sureties in GBP20 each for his appearance. COMMITTAL - On Wednesday last, JAMES CHEELEY, of St. Austell, was committed by Mr. E. COODE, jun., to the house of correction at Bodmin for twenty-one days, for deserting the Union Workhouse, and taking with him sundry articles of clothing the property of the guardians. ROBBERY AT MEVAGISSEY - On Friday the 23rd instant, a girl named MARY JANE GEORGE, of Mevagissey, was brought before Mr. TREMAYNE, charged with stealing the sum of GBP12 from the dwelling-house of Mr. JAMES HILL, of Penwarne, Mevagissey. It appeared in evidence that on the morning of the 5th, it was discovered that a bureau standing in the hall had been broken open and a bag containing GBP12 in silver taken away. A small doorway leading into the house was unhung, and it was supposed the robbery had been effected by a stranger, but subsequently suspicion was excited against the prisoner in consequence of its being found she had been spending considerable sums of money in the purchase of clothes, and on being taxed with the robbery and closely pressed, the prisoner confessed, and went to an adjoining orchard and produced the money remaining unspent, tied up in a pocket handkerchief to the amount of GBP7. 13s. The prisoner was committed to take her trial on the charge at the next quarter sessions. ATTACH ON THE HIGHWAY - On Saturday night about twelve o'clock, a man named JOHN TRUDGEN, a shoemaker living at Jamaica place (on his way to Madron), was attacked on his return home from Penzance by two men who demanded his money. Trudgen told the fellows that he had no money - which was the fact. Three other men who had been standing some distance off, then came up, but finding that no booty was to be had they at length allowed Trudgen to pass on. His belief is that they were "navvies," and he had an impression of having previously seen one of them at the terminus in Penzance. We believe the vestry of Madron intend offering a reward for the discovery of the fellows. SERIOUS ACCIDENT - On Wednesday afternoon as Mr. FLUKES a commercial gentleman of London was driving from Falmouth to Helston, when near the Half Way house, the horse through some unexplained cause, took fright and proceeded at a rapid pace for upwards of two miles. Mr. Flukes was thrown out but was not seriously injured. The carriage, a four-wheeled vehicle, was much broken, and the horse a great deal cut about the legs before it could be stopped. MINE ACCIDENT - On Tuesday last, as a man called JOSIAH RICHARDS of Madron, was at work in the shaft known as "Trahair's shaft," in Ding Dong mine, a portion of ground was displaced by some flat rods which were being taken down to one of the levels, and fell with great force on Richards's head. His skull was not fractured, nor was the skin broken, but a quantity of blood gushed from his ears. Medical aid was procured, but the poor fellow continues in a very low state and slight hopes are entertained of his recovery. CORONERS' INQUESTS - On Friday last, an inquest was held at Illogan Highway before Mr. JOHN CARLYON, county coroner, on the body of MATTHEW ROGERS, aged 47 years. Deceased was a miner, and had worked for many years abroad. He returned from South America about thirteen months ago, since which he had been trying to get different situations, but had not succeeded in procuring any. This had preyed on his mind very much, and for some weeks prior to his death he had been in such a gloomy desponding state as to be at times quite out of his mind, and his family had found it necessary to keep a watch over him. On Thursday, however, he made an excuse to get his daughter out of the way and as soon as she had left the room, he went outside the back-door and cut his throat with a razor in such a dreadful manner that he only survived a very short time. Verdict, "temporary insanity." On Tuesday last, Mr. Carlyon held another inquest at Falmouth, on the body of RICHARD FARLEY, of that place, mason, aged 59 years, who fell from the roof of a house in Killigrew Street, which he was repairing, on Tuesday the 20th instant, and died from the injuries he received by the fall on the Thursday, it appears, that he had been very subject to fits, and had frequently been cautioned not to work out of his reach from the ground for fear of an accident. Verdict, "Accidental death." The following inquests have been held before Mr. HAMLEY, county coroner. At St. Cleer, on the 19th instant, on the body of RICHARD JOHN BASSETT, a boy about five years old, the son of a miner, who lived at Newhouse, in the parish of St. Cleer. It appeared that he had always been a healthy child. On the day previous to his death he had been at school in the village, and on returning home in the evening, he complained of his head. His mother put him to bed, but he did not appear worse during the night. In the morning she perceived him rather worse and was about to send for a doctor, when a neighbour came in and he died almost immediately. Verdict, "died from natural causes." At St. Stephens, on the 21st instant, on the body of WILLIAM VERCOE. He had been to Redruth, with another man called JOHN MARTIN, each driving a wagon with four horses. They had stopped at Probus and had drank there, but, according to the evidence of Martin, were not the worse for liquor. On coming into the parish of St. Stephens, they were about to separate, each taking a separate, road. Martin drove his wagon past Vercoe. Vercoe was at that time lying at the bottom of the wagon. Martin struck him with his whip and said "take care of yourself" and went on and heard nothing more of him until he heard of what had happened. WILLIAM TRETHEWY said he met Martin driving his wagon and wished him good night. Soon after he heard another wagon coming on. He heard a person calling out "hoo" and a rattle of chains, but was not aware that anything had happened, and went home. JOHN CONDY. I was going to my work this morning about three o'clock. I saw a wagon upset in the road. The shaft horse was on his side and the other three horses were standing by his side. I went and called a neighbour and a man called KELLOW came. We got out the horse and on lifting up the wagon we found the deceased under, with the whole weight of the wagon on him. He was quite dead and must have been killed immediately on the wagon falling on him. It was supposed that the poor fellow was asleep, and in turning a narrow place, the accident happened. He was only twenty-five years old, but has left a widow and three children. Verdict, "accidental death." On Friday last, an inquest was held at the Duke of York inn, Falmouth, before Mr. PENDER, coroner for the borough; on the body of ANN CORNISH, an illegitimate child aged eight months. It was reported that the child had been very much ill-treated, and had been starved to death. The jury, however, were satisfied from the statements of the various witnesses that the mother of the child had done all that lay in her power to save it. The child had been declining for a month or more, and the mother had called in a surgeon who stated that medicine was of no use in the case. There was evidently a want of means for providing a sufficient supply of food, the mother herself having been living in a state of destitution. The jury returned a verdict of "natural death accelerated by insufficiency of food and by neglect." The Coroner reprimanded the mother at the request of the jury, for not applying at an earlier period to the relieving officer.

Thanks John, sitting here with a big grin in my face as I listen to it! Never heard of him but have marked him down to listen to again particular his political ones. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN SLY" <sly211@btinternet.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 30 April 2010 00:23 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] MARK STEEL IN PENZANCE >I can recommend this programme to any listers > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rtbk8 > > For those who don't know of Mark Steel, he is an English comedian > (stand-up, panel shows) who occasionally does this sort of show for the > BBC. His other programmes are equally funny, but this one includes some > very arcane information about Penzance (as well as other things) > > John Sly > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 253 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Dear Dick, I think if it was Charlestown it would be in Julia Mosman's transcriptions on her own website which can be reached through the OPC St Austell page. I did have a quick look for you but it does not seem to be there. Looks like it may have been a Civil one so you will have to buy the certificate!! You really should visit Julia's wonderful site though as there are other RODDA girls married in that year in Charlestown. Regards, Susan in Wadebridge CFHS 9508 OPC for St Merryn, St Ervan, St Eval, St Mawgan & St Columb Major Parish Reconstruction up to 1891 on St Merryn, St Ervan, St Eval, St Mawgan, Padstow, St Issey, Little Petherick, St Wenn, Withiel, Egloshayle, St Breock, St Columb Major & Minor, Newlyn East, St Kew, St Mabyn & St Tudy http://cornwall-opc.org/ http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> To: <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] John RUNDLE/Sarah RODDA marriage 1854 St Austell > Thanks to those who've responded, though I'm still hoping (!) that someone > may be able to look up the PR for this marriage in the Dec qtr 1854 St > Austell district. Probably in Charlestown, St Austell, which is where > Sarah (daughter of Thomas & Mary Rodda) & family lived in 1851. I've tried > the Cornwall OPC site, no record there. > > Thanks in hope > Dick No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2844 - Release Date: 04/30/10 07:27:00

This subject came up before I think. There appears to have been a widespread movement to restrict shop hours and from memory the drapers themselves played quite a part as they themselves were badly affected. J On 29 Apr 2010, at 15:29, isabelj@talktalk.net wrote: > MEVAGISSEY - A correspondent wishes to direct the attention of the > ladies and shopkeepers of Mevagissey to the evils of the late-house > system in drapers and other shops. He says it prevents the assistants > from devoting any time to self-improvement, and in many instances has > such an effect on their health as to send them to an early grave.

Many thanks John. Coming from Penzance I thoroughly enjoyed that. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JOHN SLY Sent: Friday, 30 April 2010 7:23 AM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] MARK STEEL IN PENZANCE I can recommend this programme to any listers http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rtbk8 For those who don't know of Mark Steel, he is an English comedian (stand-up, panel shows) who occasionally does this sort of show for the BBC. His other programmes are equally funny, but this one includes some very arcane information about Penzance (as well as other things) John Sly ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to those who've responded, though I'm still hoping (!) that someone may be able to look up the PR for this marriage in the Dec qtr 1854 St Austell district. Probably in Charlestown, St Austell, which is where Sarah (daughter of Thomas & Mary Rodda) & family lived in 1851. I've tried the Cornwall OPC site, no record there. Thanks in hope Dick I'm trying to help out my cousin in New Zealand whose gggf was John RUNDLE (1835-1896). John, a tin miner, emigrated from England to Australia about 1855, married in 1859 in Victoria, AU & died 1896 also in Victoria. The Australian certificates helpfully show that his parents were John (also a miner) & Elizabeth (formerly HAWKE), who, according to the IGI, married 11 Oct 1828 in St Mewan, Cornwall. Armed with this info, it should have been easy enough to find the family in the 1851 English census, but there are 2 or even 3 possible John RUNDLE-son-of-John-&-Elizabeth's in the frame. My cousin has also scoured shipping lists to trace his voyage to AU, and the one that stands out (from www.theshipslist.com) has John - married to a Sarah RODDA - on the Hoogly which arrived (ex Plymouth, Devon) in Adelaide, South Australia 19 Apr 1855. This is a bit of a surprise as according to his marriage certificate of 1859 in Victoria, John was a bachelor. The marriage of John RUNDLE to Sarah RODDA took place in late 1854 in St Austell, but even getting hold of the marriage certificate is not going to prove he's the 'right' John RUNDLE, even if it says that his father's name was John. My cousin has just traced a death record for Sarah in Adelaide in Sep 1855, sadly with a 5 week old son John, so it looks like John (the father) "reverted" to bachelor-hood, but there's still some uncertainty. Has anyone got parish records for the marriage in St Austell that may show the mother's name + any other details? Or any other ideas? Thanks Dick London, UK

A million thanks, Julia, for the link. I'm pretty sure I have now found the connecting link I've searched for for years! Whoever would have guessed an irregular Fleet marriage! Jan South Australia -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jwmos99@msn.com Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2010 10:49 AM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Re new database from LDS Hi Everyone - It was just announced at the National Genealogical Conference in Salt Lake City that LDS has a new, great website. You can go to http://fsbeta.familysearch.org and give it a try!

Once you have the results screen, you can filter which results you want (Birth, Marriage and Death, census, military etc).  Look on the bottom left hand side where it says "Record type". Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: Wesley Johnston <wwjohnston01@yahoo.com> To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 29 April, 2010 17:45:13 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Re new database from LDS I was very disappointed in the search technique that they are using on the FamilySearch Beta. It is the same search methodology as Ancestry.com uses. The best search tool that there is for global sources is the FamilySearch Pilot ( http://pilot.familysearch.org ). It allows all sorts of very specific refinements. For example, you can select or de-select as many of the collections as needed. For example, if you do not want to look at any census records but only want to look at births and marriages but not deaths and only in three different geographic areas, you can specify that. But with the Ancestry-cum-FamilySearch Beta search, your only choice is to choose one collection or all of them. FamilySearch Pilot search also allows you to refine down to all instances of surnames beginning with any specific letters you choose. So if you have a name that sometimes is spelled starting with C and sometimes with K, you can specify that. Or if you know that the census taker's handwriting was often mis-transcribed for some pair or triple of first letters of the surname, then you can refine the search to just those surname initials. I certainly hope that FamilySearch does not abandon the best tool there is simply to mimic Ancestry's search method, which is very frustrating in comparison.     Wesley Johnston Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:18:56 -0500 From: <jwmos99@msn.com> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Re new database from LDS Hi Everyone - It was just announced at the National Genealogical Conference in Salt Lake City that LDS has a new, great website. You can go to http://fsbeta.familysearch.org and give it a try! They have over 300 million new records that have been added - unfortunately, most from the US, but some "overseas".  It's totally new, and designed for ease of use. - and totally free! Good luck in your hunting!!! Julia       ------------------------------- Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Julia, Success already. Laurie Bairnsdale, Aus. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jwmos99@msn.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Re new database from LDS > > > Hi Everyone - > > > > It was just announced at the National Genealogical Conference in Salt Lake > City that LDS has a new, great website. > > > > You can go to http://fsbeta.familysearch.org and give it a try! > > > > They have over 300 million new records that have been added - > unfortunately, most from the US, but some "overseas". It's totally new, > and designed for ease of use. - and totally free! > > > > Good luck in your hunting!!! > > > > Julia > > > > > Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn > > Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell > > W. Briton newspaper transcripts at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad > > Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can recommend this programme to any listers http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rtbk8 For those who don't know of Mark Steel, he is an English comedian (stand-up, panel shows) who occasionally does this sort of show for the BBC. His other programmes are equally funny, but this one includes some very arcane information about Penzance (as well as other things) John Sly

Hi Julia, Please add me to the list of persons who have thanked you for posting this site! Found an elusive ancestor that the family knew came over approx. 1889, and had been searching for her for years. We didn't know who she married or where and when she died. This site solved those questions and gave her descendants and where they settled. Cheers Kathy sister opc and friend

This site is a work in progress, and will probably change significantly over time. The current release (it really is not a "new" site, but rather the latest revision of a site that has been around for a while) is being made more widely available for several reasons. First, it has reached a point where it is starting to become useful. Second, only with widespread use will they be able to see how well it works and receive and incorporate suggestions for improvement. When more of the bugs have been worked out, it will eventually be incorporated into the mother site at www.familysearch.org as will other test sites on which they are working. Because it is still in development, if you do not find what you seek, I would advise everyone to return periodically, as the construction of the site will evolve, and a large amount of new data will be added again and again. The ultimate goal is that essentially all images from millions of rolls of microfilm (with billions of entries) will be digitized, searchable, and available on this site. As progress is made toward that goal, the site will become increasingly valuable. Also the sheer volume of data as it grows will also certainly require and result in improvements to the search process. Don't write it off if you do not find what you need the first time you look. More is coming. David Coppin

West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. Friday, 23rd May, 1851. MEVAGISSEY - A correspondent wishes to direct the attention of the ladies and shopkeepers of Mevagissey to the evils of the late-house system in drapers and other shops. He says it prevents the assistants from devoting any time to self-improvement, and in many instances has such an effect on their health as to send them to an early grave. POTATOE DISEASE - The potatoe plant in the Scilly Islands has been again attacked by the disease which for several seasons has proved so fatal. It is feared it will be more injurious in that locality this year than in any previous year. Many of the potatoe fields, which a few weeks ago were looking green and where plants were healthy, are now quite black. The farmers are busy digging up what is in the ground as there is no chance of the diseased plant every growing any more. EMIGRATION - The friends of those who sailed for New York in the "Mountaineer" on the 1st of April, will be glad to hear the safe arrival of that vessel at the port in question on the 29th ult., after a short and pleasant passage. The passengers were all in good health and spirits, and two days afterwards the "Mountaineer" proceeded to Honduras for her homeward cargo. EMIGRATION TO AUSTRALIA - A letter has been handed to us from Mr. NICHOLAS BOADEN addressed to Mr. W. CHAPMAN of Veryan, and from which it may useful to make a few extracts. The writer embarked with others of his relatives at Plymouth, in a shop of 660 tons burden, for Adelaide, in South Australia. They had a short passage of only ninety-five days; but he makes strong complaint of the treatment of the passengers. Speaking of sickness on board he says, "a great deal of the illness of ourselves and others was owing, especially among the women, to pigs' slush on deck, and getting up to wash before daylight to finish by seven in the morning, the chief officer being very uncivil to all except cabin passengers, &c." He censures the conduct of officers on board emigrant ships; - "Many of the young women are ruined before their arrival in the colony, where nearly one-fourth of whole cargoes of females were carried to common brothels. The bishop has written home about this, and it will be remedied. All females should come under the protection of some real friend. Virtuous girls here get good settlements after a time; they get from GBP16 to GBP18 a year as nursery maids, servants, and cooks." He complains that "the provisions of the ship were generally poor and insufficient; that there were no proper conveniences for cooking, the emigrants' cook's galley being about sufficient for fourteen people; and that the contents of "evidently designedly broken boxes" belonging to passengers, were stolen by the crew. "With great improvements in the ship charterers and chandlers, who treat Britons as slaves for profit, things would do very well, the captains being able navigators; but better accommodation is required in many instances in the fitting up, too many being crammed on board." He states that the doctor on board exerted himself manfully for the passengers in procuring some of their rights. The writer arrived at Adelaide on the 11th of June 1850, and his letter is dated 7th of December last. Referring to the colony he says,- "The people here are on the whole, including merchants, tradesmen, farmers, miners, and stockholders, shepherds, flock-masters, and labourers, in good living condition, - clerks and literary men not wanted. Many persons are making fortunes rapidly, but some few are in difficulty, though that is no fault of the country. The country districts are improving rapidly, and townships springing up, and the city (Adelaide) improving wonderfully. Wages average about 4s. a day for hard labourers. Farming will by and bye do well here, but on this point we speak with caution, having had little or nothing to do with it. Blacksmiths, carpenters, masons, &c., are better paid than any other workmen, realising GBP2. 2s. per week. Shoemaking pays well; even rough cobblers are saving money, and can get from GBP3 to GBP5 a week sometimes. This I had from a native of Mawgan in Meneage, and from another from Penzance, who are their own masters here. Climate hot, and as in other new countries, people must expect to work hard for their money; industrious people are sure to do well. Working bullocks are about GBP10 a pair (dearer than fat); cows and calves vary from GBP3 to GBP5; sheep for butchers, 6s. to 7s. each." TRURO POLICE - On Monday last, WILLIAM CLERK was committed for one month to hard labour for begging. On Tuesday, MARY ANN THOMAS and ELIZABETH THOMAS were committed to the house of correction for two months, in default of paying 4s. damage and 9s. costs. The damage was by their breaking four panes of glass at the Red Lion Hotel, kept by Mr. LENDERYOU; they had also broken glass at other places in the town. These two women have been sent to the house of correction on several occasions for the same offence; and as soon as they arrive in the town from gaol, they break glass before the eyes of the police, with the view apparently of being sent up again. CHARGE OF ROBBERY AT TRURO - On Tuesday last, JOHN HART, WILLIAM PALMER, and ANN, his wife, were charged before the magistrates at Truro, with robbing JOHN GEORGE ELKINGTON of four GBP5 notes, GBP31 in sovereigns, GBP8 in silver, and a razor. Elkington stated that he was a sub-contractor on the Hayle and Penzance portion of the West Cornwall Railway, now in process of construction. He received on Saturday last from Mr. RITSON, the contractor, for work done, GBP86. 19s., consisting of seven five-pound notes of the East Cornwall Bank, forty sovereigns, and GBP11. 19s. in silver. He paid out of the money GBP2 only. About half-past six in the evening he left Hayle on horseback, and arrived in Truro about half-past nine. He stopped at the George and Dragon Inn, St. Austell Street, and was joined there by JOHN HART and WILLIAM PALMER. Hart had worked for Elkington, but Palmer was a stranger to him. They had porter, gin, and lemonade to drink. They then left the George and Dragon, and went to the London Inn, in Pydar street, where they drank two half-pints of gin. After this they went to Palmer's lodgings, who occupies one room of a house on Michell-hill. Palmer's family slept in one of the beds, and Elkington and Hart in the other. When Elkington went to bed, he says he felt the bag containing his money to be safe in his coat pocket and his pay-book, memorandum-book, letters, and Razor case, were in the other pockets of his coat. When he took off his coat to undress, he folded it up so as to have the pocket containing his money, on the inside. He placed his coat on a chair, and folded up his other clothes and put them in the same place. Though he had been drinking he says he knew perfectly well what he was about; but Hart was very tipsy, and it was very apparent that Palmer had been drinking. About three o'clock on Sunday morning Elkington was awoke by Hart, who said he wanted something to drink; he also said, "Master you had better get up and set off by the coach, if those fellows come up from Hayle you are sure to be killed." (this referred to Elkington's having left Hayle without paying his navvies.) Elkington went on to state that he then got out of bed, and found his clothes, papers, books, and letters scattered about the floor. He examined his coat, and found his money bag in a different pocket from that in which he placed it, and it contained only three five-pound notes, three sovereigns, and GBP3. 19s. in silver. He told Mrs. Palmer he had been robbed, to which she replied that she did not think any strange person had been in the house; Palmer said the same; Hart told them no one could have taken the money but one of them. Some other expressions of the accused parties were deposed to by Elkington. At length Palmer took Elkington to the coach-office, and Hart urged him to go off by the coach, saying "there are the b-----y fellows there, you will be killed," (alluding to some of the unpaid labourers who came from Hayle on Sunday morning.) Elkington further said, Hart saw me with the money at Hayle, and told Palmer that I had come away from Hayle because I could not pay the men that night, - that I had the money then in my pocket, and that he should not like anything to happen to me because I was a good fellow." It appeared that Hart, Palmer, and Mrs. Palmer were afterwards apprehended on a magistrate's warrant. The only evidence given on Tuesday was that of Elkington, and the prisoners were remanded until Friday. In reference to this case we have received the following from Penzance:- Elkington it appears had absconded without paying the men employed by him on the railway the wages due to them. The number of men thus defrauded of their money is eighty-five; and to some of them so much as GBP7 per man is owing. There were several weeks' pay due, the whole of which, amounting to near upon GBP400 has been carried off by Elkington. Immediately on learning the departure of Elkington, four workmen named respectively PERROW, SEMMENS, TREWHELLA, and THOMAS, started in pursuit. They discovered him in Truro at four o'clock on the Sunday morning. He was just about getting inside the Exeter mail, but on seeing the men he endeavoured to elude them by running away; the men however, perceived his intention, and after some trouble succeeded in seizing him. With much difficulty the men obtained some portion of the amount due to them; but this was all they could do, and eventually they were compelled much to their regret to let him go. Since this occurrence we understand that Mr. RITSON, the contractor, has, on finding that a small balance remained due to Elkington on the work done by him, taken it upon himself to apportion the same amongst the men according to the respective amounts due to them, which has given them about 6d. per day each for the time they have worked. Previous to their obtaining this trifling payment, many of the poor fellows were actually penniless, and without the means of obtaining common necessaries. COMMITTAL - On Tuesday last, ELISHA HOLMAN, of Besore, in the parish of Kenwyn, was committed for trial for assaulting GRACE LAVIN. At Falmouth, on Saturday last, JAMES WILLIAMS, labourer, was committed for trial to the county sessions on a charge of stealing rabbits from Mr. ANTHONY THOMAS, farmer, of the parish of Falmouth. And on Monday, JOSEPH and JOHN BASSETT, who had been remanded from Friday last, were both committed to Bodmin for having been found on the premises of Mr. ROBERTS, cabinet-maker, with intent to commit a felony. Joseph Bassett was sentenced to three months' and John Bassett to two months' imprisonment, with hard labour. FALMOUTH GUILDHALL - On Tuesday last, before Mr. TICKELL, mayor, and Mr. R. R. BROAD, JANE WILLIAMS, of St. Ives, was summoned by Ann Prout, for an assault, which was dismissed, each paying her own costs. RICHARD TRERISE, RICHARD TRERISE, the younger, JOHN BROADLEY, and WILLIAM BURMAN were summoned to answer the complaint of JAMES WILLIAMS, for an assault. The two latter were convicted and fined 5s. each and 5s. costs, or in default, seven days' imprisonment; the two Trerises were discharged by paying their costs. Broadley on being put to prison refused to have his head cropped, but after some time the gaoler had it done; Burman also refused to have his waving curls sheared, and paid the amount to save them from the ruthless hands of the prison barber. Some time afterwards the 10s. was paid for Broadley, but he had been close shorn before the cash was forthcoming. OBTAINING GOODS UNDER FALSE PRETENCES - On Monday last, JAMES ARUNDELL, of St. Austell, was committed by Sir JOSEPH S. G. SAWLE, Bart., to take his trial at the next sessions on the charge of having obtained sundry articles to the value of 17s. 6d., from Mr. AARON PARSONS, currier, under false pretences. DISGRACEFUL OUTRAGE - On the night of Thursday last, at Moorswater Lodge, near Liskeard, the residence of Mrs. LYNE, some miscreants cut off the head of one of the swans, killed a Solan goose, destroyed an ornamental fountain that threw up a beautiful jet near the centre of a fish pond, and perpetrated other abominable acts. A reward of GBP20 has been offered for the detection and conviction of the offenders. SERIOUS OMNIBUS ACCIDENT - On Tuesday last, an alarming accident occurred to Mr. POOL's omnibus running between Penzance and Hayle. It appears that when near White Cross, on its way to meet the first train, one of the horses took fright, and in endeavouring to stop it, the reins broke, and the animal became unmanageable dashed up an embankment and overturned the vehicle. Several of the passengers received injuries, Mr. EDMONDS, butcher, of Lelant, having had the cap of his knee broken. The horse, we understand, was so much injured that it was found necessary to destroy it. PARISH CLERK'S SALARY - At the Plymouth County Court, on Tuesday week, the principal cases for hearing was that of PANTER v. DYER and BLAKE. It was a claim on the part of the plaintiff, the parish clerk at Landrake, for part of his salary, and the defendants were summoned as the churchwardens of the same parish. The advocate for Mr. Dyer contended that he was not liable, inasmuch as he had not been allowed to act. Mr. Blake, the acting churchwarden, stated, in defence, that he had already paid one-half of the amount due to the plaintiff during the time he remained in office, and also that he had no funds available. His Honor (Mr. Praed) after hearing all the evidence, said he should take time to consider his decision. FEROCIOUS MONKEY - On Saturday last, a monkey that was exhibited in a caravan at Falmouth, attacked his keeper and bit off the tops of the first and second fingers of the hand. On Sunday, Mr. CORNISH, junior visited the caravan to see the wounded keeper, when the monkey attached another man, springing on his shoulder, and inflicting severe injury by lacerating his eyebrows and temples. The man cried for help, and endeavoured to make his escape from the caravan when the ferocious animal was for a moment removed. But he suddenly made a second spring, and again attacked the man and seized him by the thumb, which he seriously injured. Mr. Cornish fortunately laid hold of a hammer that was near, and stuck the infuriated brute on the head, but it was not until the infliction of several severe blows that it was obliged, by a death stroke, to give up its savage hold. There appears little doubt that the animal had not been kindly treated, for the ferocity of the attack was solely directed against the keeper, who on seeing him loose exclaimed in horror and affright, "he is for me, he is for me;" the animal was the kind called "The Bonnet Monkey," of Buffon, and the "Toque" of Cuvier. It was docile, took snuff, smoked a pipe, wheeled a barrow, and performed many tricks, but was recollective and savage. It was a male and of great strength. CORONER'S INQUEST - On Tuesday last, Mr. JOHN CARLYON, county coroner, held an inquest at the house of Mr. FRANCIS SYMONS, at the Bar, Falmouth, on the body of a newly-born female infant child. From the evidence of Mr. SYMONS it appeared that MARY LILLICROP, the mother of the deceased, came into his house as a servant about the 10th of May instant, and continued to do her work about the house until the time she sent to bed on Saturday night. She slept in an upper room, alone, and in the middle of the night she was heard moaning and retching as if sick. Miss Symons called up to her and asked what was the matter. She complained of being very sick, and having pain in all her limbs, and had some warm water brought to her. Early the following morning she had a cup of tea brought, which she did not drink. Her moanings were still heard; she did not get up the following morning at the usual hour, and complained of being dizzy and weak. She never said a word about having given birth to a child, and no one in the house suspected it until about three o'clock in the afternoon, when Miss SYMONS who went into the room, fancying she smelt spirits, commenced a search for any that might possibly be concealed in the bed, and under the bed-clothes, discovered a newly-born child, which was then dead. The mother in reply to questions put to her, stated that it was born about four o'clock in the morning, and that it had never cried. From the evidence of Mr. VIGURS, surgeon, it appeared that on his opening the chest and taking out the lungs, he found they had been partially inflated with air and that they floated in water; but he was of opinion that the child had died in the act of birth, and that it never had an independent existence. Under these circumstances, the jury in conformity with the medical evidence, returned a verdict that the deceased was not born alive; but that, at the same time, they were of opinion that it was gross case of concealment of birth, which ought not to be overlooked, and they hoped the overseers would deem it their duty to institute an inquiry before the magistrates; and they requested the coroner to intimate as much to the overseers; which he has since done. LONDON GAZETTE - Whitehall, May 16. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Mr. HENRY WHITFORD, of Saint Columb, in the county of Cornwall, to be a Master Extraordinary in the high Court of Chancery.  

I was very disappointed in the search technique that they are using on the FamilySearch Beta. It is the same search methodology as Ancestry.com uses. The best search tool that there is for global sources is the FamilySearch Pilot ( http://pilot.familysearch.org ). It allows all sorts of very specific refinements. For example, you can select or de-select as many of the collections as needed. For example, if you do not want to look at any census records but only want to look at births and marriages but not deaths and only in three different geographic areas, you can specify that. But with the Ancestry-cum-FamilySearch Beta search, your only choice is to choose one collection or all of them. FamilySearch Pilot search also allows you to refine down to all instances of surnames beginning with any specific letters you choose. So if you have a name that sometimes is spelled starting with C and sometimes with K, you can specify that. Or if you know that the census taker's handwriting was often mis-transcribed for some pair or triple of first letters of the surname, then you can refine the search to just those surname initials. I certainly hope that FamilySearch does not abandon the best tool there is simply to mimic Ancestry's search method, which is very frustrating in comparison. Wesley Johnston Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:18:56 -0500 From: <jwmos99@msn.com> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Re new database from LDS Hi Everyone - It was just announced at the National Genealogical Conference in Salt Lake City that LDS has a new, great website. You can go to http://fsbeta.familysearch.org and give it a try! They have over 300 million new records that have been added - unfortunately, most from the US, but some "overseas". It's totally new, and designed for ease of use. - and totally free! Good luck in your hunting!!! Julia

West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser BMDs - trancribed by Jennie Towan May 16 1851 BIRTHS At Falmouth, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. John P. DUNNING of a daughter. At Helston, on Monday last the wife of Mr. W. WHITE, blacksmith, of a daughter; and on Wednesday, the wife of Mr. J. T. JULIAN, merchant, of a son. At Tresco, Scilly, on the 28th ult., the wife of Mr. Wm. TEMPLE, mate of the Seven Stones light vessel, of a son. At Penzance, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. George GUY, of a daughter. At Relubbus, on the 25th ult., the wife of Mr. Alfred TAPERELL, land-surveyor, of a son. At St. Ives, on Saturday last, the wife of the Rev. Robert TUFFIN, of a son. At Sunny Corner, in the parish of Stithians, on the 8th instant, the wife of Mr. Edward MARTIN, of a still-born daughter. At Perranzabuloe, on the 2nd instant, the wife of Mr. Simon RICHARDS, of a son. At Bolingey, in the parish of Perranzabuloe, on the 4th instant, the wife of Mr. Edward LANYON, of a son. At Tresillian, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. Nicholas COWLING, wheelwright, of a son. At Lostwithiel, on Sunday last, the wife of Mr. TABB, of the Royal Talbot Hotel, of a son. At Plymouth, on the 3rd instant, the wife of Mr. William LEWIN, chemist and druggist, of a son. At Exeter, on the 8th instant, the wife of Mr. J. BALKWILL, of a son. At Sidcliffe, on the 5th instant, the wife of John TYRRELL, Esq., of a son. MARRIAGES At Madron, on the 7th instant, Mr. Henry LOVE, mate of the "Duke of Cornwall," to Miss Amelia DAVEY; on Saturday last, Mr. S. W. HOCKING, of Chyandour, to Miss M. J. K. STEVENS, of Penzance; and on Monday, Mr.. Wm. RODDA, butcher, to Miss Ellen NICHOLAS, of Penzance. At Madron, on Tuesday last, by the Rev. M. N. PETERS, Mr. Robert HARRIS, of Penbeagle, near St Ives, to Rebecca, fourth daughter of the late Mr. BAYNARD, of Liskes, near Truro. At Redruth, on Tuesday last, Mr. James MICHELL, carpenter, to Miss CLEMENCE. At St Agnes, on Saturday last, Mr. Philip ROBERTS to Miss Elizabeth REMFREE; and on Sunday, Mr. Hugh PETERS to Miss Jane TRESIZE. At St. Columb Minor, on the 8th instant, Mr. David TINNEY to Miss Sarah NICHOLLS, both of that parish. At St. Austell, on Wednesday last, Captain KELLOW, master of the sloop "Mary Ann," of Pentewan, to Miss Eliza Ann PASCOE, of Pentewan. At Liskeard, on the 8th instant. Mr. EDEY, miller, of Looe Mills, Liskeard, to Miss DYER. At Callington, on the 8th instant, Mr. W. BOX, butcher, to Miss Mary REYNOLDS, both of that place. At Quethiock, on the 7th instant, Mr. T. RANDLE, of Stonehouse, to Matilda, daughter of Mr. John VOSPER, of Haye. At Plymouth, on Tuesday last, by the Rev. Henry LUXMOORE, Brutton J. FORD, Esq., solicitor, of Exeter, to Jane Calmady, second daughter of Jonathon LUXMOORE, Esq., solicitor, of Plymouth. At Plymouth, on the 8th instant, Mr. TOMS, of Liskeard, to Mrs. KEAST, of Dabwalls, Liskeard. At Fulham, on the 8th instant, H. HIPPISLEY, Esq., of Lamborne Place, Berks., to Elizabeth Mary, eldest daughter of L. SULIVAN, Esq., Deputy-Secretary-at-War. DEATHS At Falmouth, on Friday last, Mary, third daughter of the late Mr. Julius PALMER, aged 18 years. At Helston, on Monday last, Mr. Richard PENHALE, for many years policeman of that borough, aged 70 years. At Helston, on Sunday last, the infant child of Mr. MENADUE, currier. At Penzance, on the 8th instant, Mr. Thomas BENNETTS, carrier, aged 38 years. At Penzance, on the 8th instant, Mr. Henry CARTER, dyer. Deceased had formerly been in the navy, and in the engagement of Admiral Rodney, with the French fleet, under De Grasse, September 12, 1782. At Penzance, on Tuesday last, after a short illness, Capt. Thos. SCOBELL, R. N., at an advanced age. At St. Ives, on the 8th instant, Miss Alice JENNINGS, aged 54 years. At Redruth, on Tuesday last, Mr. John KNIGHT, shoe-maker, aged 80 years. At Littlebeside,on Saturday last, Mary, relict of Mr. Thos. POWNING, aged 76 years. At Mingoose, St. Agnes, on Saturday last, Miss Lydia WILLIAMS, aged 22 years. At Mithian, St. Agnes, on the 8th instant, the wife of Mr. William SECCOMBE, at an advanced age. At St. Austell, on Tuesday last, Miss Catherine Ann BIDDICK, aged 74 years. At St. Stephens in Branwell, on the 8th instant, after a most protracted and painful illness, born with Christian resignation, Mr. Benjamin MERIFIELD, aged 77 years, for about fifty of which he was a consistent member of the Wesleyan Methodist Society. At Bodmin, Mr. George LEMON, for many years collector's clerk of excise, at Falmouth, aged 39 years. At Fowey, on Monday last, Mr. Samuel BULLER, butcher, aged 73 years. At Lunstone, near Bude, on the 8th instant, Mr. James BICKFORD, aged 60 years. At Callington, on th 8th instant, George MASON, Esq., aged 66 years. At Boscastle, on Friday last, Mr. Edward HOCKEN, aged 74 years. AT Plymouth, on the 8th instant, Anna Maria, relict of the late Daniel ALEXANDER, Esq., of Exeter, and of Yarmouth, Isle of Wight, aged 71 years. At Bath, on the 5th instant, Lucy Addison, widow of the Rev. W, Addison FOUNTAINE, of Middleton, St. George, Durham, aged 67 years. At the Hotwells, Clifton, on the 8th instant, Frances, relict of the late John VIGURS, Esq., of Rosehill, near Penzance, in this county, aged 80 years. In London, Mr. Francis RASHLEIGH, of Constantine, in this county, aged 57 years. At Kentish Town, London, on Sunday last, Charles Frederick, fourth son of Mr. Samuel SHORTMAN, watchmaker of Penzance, aged 24 years. At Hurstpierpoint, Sussex, on the 6th instant, Mary Ann, eldest daughter of the late Rev. Lewis MATTHIAS, of Falmouth. At Camberwell, on Sunday last, Richard PHILLIPS, curator of the Museum of Practical Geology, Jermyn Street, aged 73 years. At Wotton, near Dorking, Surrey, on Monday last, the Hon. and Rev. J. E. BOSCAWEN, Canon of Canterbury, Rector of Wotton, and Vicar of Ticehurst, aged 62 years. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Hi Everyone - It was just announced at the National Genealogical Conference in Salt Lake City that LDS has a new, great website. You can go to http://fsbeta.familysearch.org and give it a try! They have over 300 million new records that have been added - unfortunately, most from the US, but some "overseas". It's totally new, and designed for ease of use. - and totally free! Good luck in your hunting!!! Julia Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Re The  West Briton Helston Court report: "The only case which excited any public interest on Monday last, was an action by WILLIAM TRESIDDER and ELIZABETH his wife, against OLIVER HOCKING, for an assault (tried before a jury).  Mr. H. ROGERS appeared for plaintiffs, and Mr. HILL for defendant. ....." This was William TRESIDDER bap Helston 1809 & his wife Elizabeth, nee PRIDEAUX. They resided at Sithney. As may be gathered from the newspaper report, William was not exactly 'whiter than white'. In fact he was released in 1822 from the Bodmin Bridewell, ' wheelwright, aged 15';  no information found as to what he had been up to! Stephen TRESEDER/TRESIDDER ONE NAME STUDY

Going back one generation on the HALL side 3 x Great Grandparents. 40. HALL, Thomas. of Thomas Born: Christen: 8 - 8 -1783. Madron P.C. Married: 29- 7 -1806. From Madron. at Gulval PC. Occupation: 23- 4 -1820. Labourer. Occupation: 24- 4 -1841. Farmer on son's wedding cert. Census: 7 - 6 -1841. Age 55. Labourer. Tredenick, Gulval. Death: Burial. 26- 2 -1843. Age 59. at Towednack. Gulval. 41. PHILLIPS, Elizabeth. Born: In County. Christen: Married: 29- 7 -1806. Gulval PC. 41. HALL, Elizabeth. Christen: 19- 7 -1807. Thomas HALL, (Bastard) Gulval PC. Christen: 19- 7 -1807. Richard HALL. Gulval PC. Christen: 24-12-1809. Francis HALL. (son) Gulval PC. Christen: 6- 9 -1812. William HALL. Gulval PC. Christen: 23- 4 -1820. John HALL [20], from Carthewell. Gulval PC. Christen: 7 - 1 -1824. Margaret Nichlas HALL. Zennor. Census: 7 - 6 -1841. Age 60. Tredenick, Gulval. Census: 30-03-1851. Age 69. Wid. Parish Pay. Carnes, Gulval. Died: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne Thompson" <buryan@bigpond.net.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:50 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Hall/Jacka > > > Thank you very much, Pat. > > Tom, do you have a burial date for Margaret? If so, that may give > her age and narrow the field. > > Or the baptisms of any of heir children? As that may give an > indication of where one. or both. came from. > > Corinne. > > > >> Greetings Tom and Corinne, >> >> >> >> Marriage entry for Margaret JACKA doesn't give any more useful >> information. >> >> >> >> 24 April 1841 John HALL to Margaret JACKA daughter of John JACKA, >> miner, >> living at Tredinnick, Gulval. Witnesses were William Carne CORIN >> and Edward >> GRIBBLE. >> >> CORIN and GRIBBLE were regular witnesses at marriages so unlikely >> to be >> family members. Neither party was baptised in Gulval and cannot >> find any >> baptisms for HALL >> >> following the marriage. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00

Dear Corinne & Pat This is all I have so far 20. HALL, John. son of Thomas & Elizabeth. Born: . Christen: 23- 4-1820. Of Carthewell. Parish Church, Gulval. Married: 24- 4-1841. Age 22. Miner of Tredinnick, Gulval. Parish Church, Gulval. Census: 7- 6-1841. Age 22. Tin Miner. Kerrow Downs, Towednack. Census: 30- 3-1851. Age 31. Miner. Tredennack, Gulval. Died: Burial: 13-10-1857. Age 37 of Union Workhouse Madron. ? 21. JACKA, MARGARET. of John. Born: c.1813. St Hillary. Christen: Married: 24- 4-1841. Age 27 of Tredinnick, Gulval. Parish Church, Gulval. 21. HALL, MARGARET. Census: 7- 6-1841. Age 28. . Kerrow Downs, Towednack. Child: c. 1841. John HALL. Gulval. Christen: 15- 6 -1842. John HALL. Carfury Bible Christian Chapel, Gulval. Child: c. 1844. Richard HALL. Gulval. Cert. Birth: 10- 7-1847. William HALL [10]. Boskednan, Gulval. Census: 30- 3-1851. Age 37. Tredennack, Gulval. Death: Burial: 23-04-1856. Age 42. Of Ninnis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne Thompson" <buryan@bigpond.net.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:50 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Hall/Jacka > > > Thank you very much, Pat. > > Tom, do you have a burial date for Margaret? If so, that may give > her age and narrow the field. > > Or the baptisms of any of heir children? As that may give an > indication of where one. or both. came from. > > Corinne. > > > >> Greetings Tom and Corinne, >> >> >> >> Marriage entry for Margaret JACKA doesn't give any more useful >> information. >> >> >> >> 24 April 1841 John HALL to Margaret JACKA daughter of John JACKA, >> miner, >> living at Tredinnick, Gulval. Witnesses were William Carne CORIN >> and Edward >> GRIBBLE. >> >> CORIN and GRIBBLE were regular witnesses at marriages so unlikely >> to be >> family members. Neither party was baptised in Gulval and cannot >> find any >> baptisms for HALL >> >> following the marriage. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2835 - Release Date: 04/25/10 19:31:00