Can anyone suggest where we can find .... The Manse Ros??? Possibly Camborne Louisa Tuer GALTRESS (nee PENGELLY) left a small legacy to 'niece Elsie .. Mrs Herbert PHELPS' at an address which is faint typing and we can only be sure of the above part. Lousia T lived in Wandsworth but came from Looe and there are several links with Cornwall. We think that Elsie was Elsie PEARCE (b 1895 Pelynt) daughter of Richard Geach PEARCE and Eliza Pengelly ( a sister of Louisa) Any suggestion on using Cornwall sources most welcome. BTW Elsie was at Edge Hill College in Bideford in 1911 TIA Robin (One name study of GALTRESS and particularly interested in this branch as they are close relatives)

For some time now we've been looking for a William Rowe HOCKING who "vanished" to South Africa c.1892. William was born 5th Dec 1854 at Chy an Dour, Penzance. He married Eliza NEEDS on 31 Jul 1880 at St Mary's Church, Penzance. They had 5 children. Their last child, Ellen, was born 5th Nov 1891 in Penzance. At some time around then or after, WRH went to South Africa. We have then been looking for his death in South Africa but you know what these men were like - they often changed their names, moved on to other countries, etc. I should add, William was a baker in Penzance. We have recently been given the Death Record from South Africa for a William HOCKING but we don't think he's ours. Can anyone lay claim to him? I've been looking for families with a William and a James - we've scoured the earlier censuses to see if we can eliminate any of the HOCKING families. So far we really haven't come up with a definite family. Here are the Death Records for the William HOCKING William HOCKING Birth place England Father unknown Age 42 Date of decease 26 June 1892 At New Somerset Hospital Admitted on 28th April 1892 >From SS Matthew? Castle Brother Jas of Robinson Gold Mining Company of Johannesburg, Transvaal On his possession - 1 leather bag and one box contents unknown, 1 watch, 1 ring, 1 bunch of keys, cash of £61. 16s 1d. Less hospital fees of £10 10s. Funeral expenses £8. Balance £43.6s 1d. left. I can't really confirm that the ship was SS Matthew Castle, I can't find a ship of this name but it looks like Matthew. Of course, this William HOCKING doesn't have to be from Cornwall but most HOCKINGs are from Cornwall especially most Miners! Can anyone lay claim to him and can anyone find our William Rowe HOCKING please? Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

Some of you are concerned about a recent post with a SPAM URL in the message body. The mail didn't come from Rootsweb - it was posted by a subscriber. Recently we've seen a spate of hijacked aol addresses and this appears to be one. The Rootsweb filters don't bounce a message with simply an URL in it (it doesn't get caught in the SPAM filter) and if the person is a subscriber, it gets through. Without moderating the entire list, we are occasionally going to see these hijacked/viral messages if they are sent by unsuspecting subscribers. If you are concerned about any URL that comes through the list, don't click on it. I've put the person on moderate (which means none of his/her posts gets through unless I approve them) until it's worked out. Please aol-ers and everyone, use your SPAM filters and do NOT open attachments unless you are 100% certain of their origin. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Yvonne Bowers Listmom/Webmom CORNISH, CORNISH-GEN, CA-CORNISH http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/cornishlib/cornishlib.htm

"irruption" is the word used - I thought "eruption" might have suited, but no. Evidently, these reports were filed daily, and the West Briton printed a compilation of them weekly. The reports definitely encouraged people to visit the Crystal Palace; it was a once in a lifetime opportunity. We have put on the W.B. website copies of the engravings printed in the paper showing an artist's concept of the Palace, filled with people enjoying the various displays; evidently, they under-estimated the crowds. Please have a look - it helps explain the fervor somewhat. Please, enjoy! Julia WEST BRITON and CORNWALL ADVERTISER 4 JULY 1851 ADVERTISEMENTS ST. STEPHENS IN BRANWELL To be LET by TENDER, for a term of seven, fourteen, or twenty-one years, TOLGARRICK GRIST MILLS and PREMISES There are two excellent Mills, with Flour and Smut machines complete, a good Dwelling house, and about twelve acres of rich Arable and Pasture land. The Mills have an abundant and constant supply of water, and are situated within six miles of St. Austell and St. Columb, and nine of Truro. For viewing the premises apply to the Tenant, and for all further particulars, to Mr. JOHN DYER, Flour Dealer, St. Austell, by whom tenders will be received until the 21st of July. June 25, 1851 ................ DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE THE GREAT EXHIBITION On Wednesday the number of visitors at the Crystal Palace did not exceed 58,000, being a falling off of nearly 10,000 from the admission on the previous day. The company was mainly of the middle and upper classes, although there were several strong detachments from schools and factories, who had been treated by their employers or patrons to a peep at the Exhibition. Miss Burdett Coutts arrived early with the pupils of the school which she munificently maintains, and subsequently there was an irruption of seven hundred of the Blue-coat boys, accompanied by the masters. A number of jolly tars were seen making short tacks in every direction, and eating ices and drinking ginger-beer in desperation, in the absence of more congenial refreshment. These were the crew of the "Victoria and Albert," her Majesty's steam yacht, and their smart trim and sailor-like appearance gave great vivacity to the picture of which they formed a part. The heat was oppressive throughout the day, and the various fountains were almost drained of their contents by the thirsty visitors. An accident occurred in the machine room, which threatened a fatal result, but happily that was averted. A great increase of vigilance was perceptible on the part of the police, in consequence of the apprehension on the previous day of a Frenchman calling himself Charles Fern, who was observed to pocket one of the mineral specimens, obviously mistaking it for silver. A "plain clothes" man was immediately sent after the mineralogist, who followed him for two hours, and apprehended him, when he had his pockets full, and was about to leave the building. He made no resistance, but said he would rather throw himself into the Thames than give his London address. Cash account: Season tickets, GBP 4.4s.; at the doors, GBP 2,691.14s.; total receipts, GBP 2,695.18s. Her Majesty arrived for her almost daily visit to the Crystal Palace, at a quarter past nine on Thursday morning. The royal party consisted of the Queen, Prince Albert, the King of the Belgians, the Princess Charlotte, attended by the usual suite. All cheering was suppressed from feelings of respect, but her Majesty's gracious acknowledgments of the loyalty of her reception were universally and deeply appreciated. The number of visitors was not much greater than on the previous day, and consequently there was free circulation throughout the building. Among the novelties, all of which, by the way, make their appearance in the foreign nave, are some sets of china of novel pattern from Dresden. They consist of tea services with elaborate patterns in high-relief, birds, flowers, some beautiful flower-baskets, &c., and have great originality to recommend them. There is also a handsome bureau in tortoiseshell, inlaid in brass, which shows great skill and delicacy of workmanship. There were a great many foreigners among the company, among whom were several German peasants. The resemblance of these elder Saxons to our own people was very striking, indeed so close was it, that until they spoke one would have guessed them for Kent or Sussex folk. A great number of these homely guests collected round the apiaries at the extreme end of the gallery, and took much interest in the movements of the inmates. The bees are now in full work, the young ones building the combs and the old ones storing the honey, for which detachments rush out into the park every five minutes. The whole operation may be seen through the glass case, and forms certainly not the least interesting of the innumerable wonders of the exhibition. The number of visitors during the day were 57,673. Cash account: Season tickets, GBP 5.5s.; at the door, GBP2,722.10s; total, GBP 2,727 15s. The most noticeable feature in Friday's proceedings was the extraordinary heat of the interior. At midday, the thermometer reached 95 degrees in the more exposed portions, and was quite 85 degrees in the places most sheltered from the sun. But, notwithstanding this Jamaica weather, the throng of fashionables showed a considerable increase on the numbers of the preceding Friday. There was very little promenading, and less inspection, the company being contented to seat themselves where they could, and to enjoy such ventilation as was afforded them. Her Majesty did not visit the Exhibition. The King of the Belgians arrived early, accompanied by the Duke of Brabant, and the Princess Charlotte. The Duchess of Kent was also a visitor, as were the ex-Queen of France, and the Duc de Nemours. There was, in addition, a larger muster of the higher classes generally; indeed, almost the whole company, who numbered beyond 29,000, were evidently members of the haut ton. The exact numbers admitted up to six o'clock were 29,033. Cash account: Season tickets, GBP 4 4s.; at the doors, GBP 2,969 6s; total receipts, GBP 2,973 10s. On Saturday, the attendance was rather short of preceding Saturdays, and the temperature was all the more pleasant in consequence. Her Majesty, prince Albert, and the King of the Belgians, with the usual suite, arrived shortly after nine o'clock, and the Duchess of Kent, and the Duke and Duchess of Nemours, at a later hour. The attendance up to four o'clock was exceedingly slender, not exceeding 6,000 or 7,000, quite a solitude in such a vast building. From that hour the ticket holders began to pour in, and even with such small numbers the want of ventilation was sadly felt, the temperature rising to 80 degrees in the main avenues, while it was 90 degrees in the galleries. The number of visitors throughout the day was 11,372. Cash account: season tickets, GBP 16 6s.; at the doors, GBP 1,590 16s. Total, GBP 1,607 12s. On entering the building on Monday, it was satisfactory to find that the daily complaints of the public and the press on the subject of ventilation had not been left wholly unattended to. The whole of the glass in the east and west galleries has been removed, and such light airs as generally blow in that direction have free ingress and egress. A similar change is contemplated with respect to the north and south transepts, and that once effected, the rest must be left to the pitying breezes. What has been done has made the place much cooler, and there is little doubt but that the completion of the alterations will make the temperature all that could be expected in the middle of one of the hottest summers we have had for some years. Among the crowds of country folk who availed themselves of cheap trains to obtain a peep at the wonders of the Crystal Palace was a detachment of 130 workmen from the extensive lime works near Rochester, all in holiday trim, and decorated with blue rosettes in their button-holes. These poor men were retiring after about two hours' bewildered gazing in every direction, when, being met by a person more intimate with the contents of the building, and asked what they had seen, it came out that they had really seen but few of the sights of the place. Some of them having wandered recklessly from the main body once or twice, had nearly lost their way, and this so alarmed the rest, that they prudently resolved to keep to the nave while they remained, and to get out of danger as soon as possible. However, being provided with a volunteer guide, a large number gladly returned to view the treasures of the precious metals gallery, and other objects of interest. Such incidents as these are by no means of unfrequent occurrence, and they show that in the case of large parties of unsophisticated country people a leader of some acquaintance with the place would be absolutely necessary to enable them even partially to enjoy their treat. The numbers who entered the building during the day amounted to 52,879. Cash account: Season tickets, 0; at the doors, GBP 2,469 16s; total receipts GBP 2,469 16s. The heavy rain that fell on Tuesday morning deprived the Crystal Palace of about three thousand of its visitors; but nevertheless the total at the end of the day considerably exceeded 50,000. The absence of her Majesty and her august guests at Osborne deprived it of the royal presence, and, as a consequence, of a great many of its more distinguished frequenters. But the masses mustered strong, principally from the provinces, and there was no lack of more fashionably attired visitors. By the police returns the numbers were 49,189, which the influx of the ticket holders for their usual lounge would raise to nearly 52,000. Cash account: season tickets, GBP 5 5s; at the doors, GBP 2,429 10s; total GBP 2,434 15s. LOCAL INTELLIGENCE PARISH OF ADVENT On Friday last, the 27th ult., Mr. SAMUEL SCOTT saved a rick of hay in first-rate condition. It was grown on a new inclosure made by him on the recently enfranchised duchy common of the manor of Helston in Trigg. The crop was very abundant and of excellent quality. The farm is distant about two miles from Roughtor. There is now growing on other new inclosures on the same common, potatoes, oats, and flax, not at all inferior to what may be seen growing on any of the old cultivated lands in the parish, or of any of the neighbouring parishes, either in appearance or prospect. So much for lands by some wiseacres said not to be worth cultivating. PENZANCE A correspondent at this place informs us that the crops of potatoes in the neighbourhood are again attacked by the disease, to a much greater extent, it is feared, than in former years. The "OREGON," ROULLE CARY, commander, left Penzance on Tuesday last, for New York, with about forty emigrants on board. BUDE HAVEN This fashionable little watering place is now very gay with visitors. On Wednesday last, Mr. WILLIAM MASKELL (the late Rev. W. Maskell and chaplain to the Bishop of Exeter) was expected to arrive at Sir T. D. ACLAND's cottage, which we understand he has taken for two months. SALTASH The steam floating bridge crossing the River Tamar was set to work on Wednesday forenoon about eleven o'clock in due form. The Mayor and Corporation of this ancient borough, together with the shareholders, walked down to the water-side in procession, and went over in her first trip. The shareholders and friends afterwards dined at the Green Dragon Hotel. In the afternoon a regatta was held in honour of the occasion. Saltash was never so full before. The bridge, which was built by Mr. MARE, of Plymouth, works exceedingly well. SERIOUS ASSAULT On Thursday evening the 26th ult., a barber named GOSLING, of Falmouth, while in a state of drunkenness, at the Wodehouse Arms, took up a poker and struck a violent blow at the female servant. He aimed at the servant's head, but a man broke the force of the blow, which however inflicted a scalp wound, and must have fractured the skull had not the violence of the blow been partially averted. The woman continued insensible and had fits for several hours, but she is now in a state of recovery. ACCIDENTS On Thursday last, a little boy about four years of age, son of MR. THOMAS BRYANT, met with a narrow escape. It appears that the child with another brother had rode in a cart which was carrying stone from a quarry about a quarter of a mile from the town of St. Austell. The driver put him to stand in the quarry while he loaded his cart. The child was amusing himself by attempting to climb up the sides, and a man from the top rolled down a stone not knowing that any one was there. The stone struck the child backwards and cut his nose open. When taken up all thought he was dead, but we are happy to add that he is now in a fair way of recovery. On Thursday the 27th ultimo, a mason of Falmouth, named GOWENLOCK, fell from a ladder owing to a stave giving way. He broke his collar-bone, but is in a fair way of recovery. On Wednesday last, a little girl, the daughter of the late Capt. JOHN TABB, of Lamerhooe Wheal Maria mine, whilst playing near the market gate, Callington, was knocked down by a wagon passing along the street, and bruised so severely that very small hope is entertained of her recovery. On Saturday last, a young man called HONEY, of Appledore, was drowned whilst bathing at Duckapool, near Bude Haven. The under current was running very strong, and he was fast carried off to sea, where he soon sunk to rise no more. In consequence of the rapidity of the current no assistance could be rendered, although he was seen carried off. The body has not been picked up. CORONER'S INQUESTS The following inquests have been held before Mr. JOHN CARLYON, county coroner: On Saturday last, at Boyer's Cellars, Falmouth, on the body of ELIZABETH NICHOLAS, widow, aged 67 years. Deceased has been insane at intervals for some years past and was generally in a low desponding way. About a year and a half ago she went to reside with her relatives Mr. and Mrs. OLIVE, at Boyer's Cellars, where she was taken every care of. But on Thursday last, about noon, she went out into an open shed immediately behind the house and cut her throat with a razor. A man called RICHARD PEARCE on passing the shed shortly afterwards, observed her there stretched on the ground and having called others to his assistance, she was found to be quite dead with the razor in her hand. Verdict, insanity. On Wednesday, at Quintrell Downs, in the parish of St. Columb Minor, on the body of WILLIAM MEAGER, aged 77 years. Deceased was an old government pensioner, and had walked from his home to Tresillian to the seat of Mr. R. G. BENNET, on Thursday morning, to have his pension paper signed certifying that he was alive. On his way back he was taken suddenly ill and in less than half an hour after his paper had been signed he was a corpse. Verdict, apoplexy. The following inquest was held before Mr. HAMLEY, on the 27th ult., at Mount Charles, in the parish of St. Austell, on the body of WALTER EDDY. He had been in the habit of attending fairs with swings for children, and having been to the Luxulyan games, was, on the 26th ult., returning to his home at Mount Charles, in a little one-horse cart. His machinery was in the cart, and he was riding on it. He was seen going on in that way, not far from Mount Charles; and shortly afterwards he was seen lying on the road insensible, his cart and machinery being upset. He was conveyed to his home, but never spoke afterwards. It was supposed that he had fallen asleep and that the horse had upset the cart against a heap of stones. Verdict, accidental death. The following inquest has been held before Mr. Gilbert HAMLEY, deputy coroner: On Friday last, at Bodmin, on the body of SAMUEL SMETHERAM, aged about twelve years, who had been for some time in the service of CAPTAIN THOMPSON, of Bodmin. He went out of the house on Friday morning and as he did not return when he was wanted to go for the milk, the servant went to look for him, and found him hanging to a beam in the stable, and quite dead. No reason could be given for the committal of the act. The jury returned an open verdict. DEVON GENEROUS CONDUCT - Mr. THOMAS GILL, of Plymouth, has liberally granted to the clerks in his service ten days holiday, accompanied with a handsome bonus, to enable them to view the wonders concentrated in the Great Exhibition. Several Assizes to follow ...... Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org I'm a volunteer for FreeCens - why don't you join, too?

Hi David Unfortunately not all the programmes have such a tool. The one I use doesn't which is why I thought it would be of interest to other people. People ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coppin" <coppin@comcast.net> To: "Mary Hester" <mhester@tiscali.co.uk>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 23 May 2010 16:20 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Date of Birth Calculator > If you are keeping your information organized using a genealogical > database program, nearly all of them also have their own date calculator > built into the program. This will usually be found on a "tools" menu or > similar place. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Hester" <mhester@tiscali.co.uk> > To: "'Devon List'" <devon-l@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com>; > <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:56 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Date of Birth Calculator > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 278 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

BlankI found the following link on another List : Monumental inscriptions and newspaper death notices often quote a date of death and an age at death in years, months and days. Instead of counting backwards on your fingers and trying to remember how many days there were in the relevant months, try downloading this useful little calculator to work out the date of birth. http://www.taubman.org.uk/datecalc/index.html -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 278 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hilarious story! Some of us are quick, and some of us are not! Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coppin" <coppin@comcast.net> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] California - early records > Although most of the city hall was destroyed, the city hall dome remained, > which housed the Hall of Records and did contain many valuable records, > particularly title and other legal documents which were saved, but many > other records were destroyed, including birth certificates. The follow is > taken from Historynet.com: "Ironically, the disaster had an unexpected > silver lining for the Chinese. The earthquake and fire completely > destroyed > city records, including birth certificates. The only way a Chinese person > could be a citizen was to be born in the United States, so hundreds came > forward after the quake to get new documentation, claiming their birth > certificates had been consumed by the flames. Many were successful, though > eventually the authorities caught on. If every citizenship claim had been > true, each Chinese woman living in San Francisco's Chinatown would have > had > to have given birth to 500 children!" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rowena Gough" <rfgough@optusnet.com.au> > To: <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:56 PM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] California - early records > > >> I'm now wondering about the San Francisco earthquake and fires in 1906. >> Were >> the early records of San Francisco pre-1906 destroyed in the fires? Did >> those records cover an area larger than the city itself? >> Cheers, >> Rowena > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Sue Budlong's email yesterday prompted me to think about early pioneers to California, of whom, I've been tracing James Shugg and his family in the Los Angeles area. He was born in Sithney, Cornwall 1818 to Thomas Shugg and Joan Rowe, married Mary Taylor in 1834, and turned up in Los Angeles where he married Esther Caroline Graham in 1852, and they had 6 children. He was one of the 1st early walnut and orange farmers in Orange County, and dug some of the major early irrigation ditches. His wife nurtured the trees from seedlings and sold them on to other farmers. I've been lucky and there are some records. I'm now wondering about the San Francisco earthquake and fires in 1906. Were the early records of San Francisco pre-1906 destroyed in the fires? Did those records cover an area larger than the city itself? Cheers, Rowena

If you are keeping your information organized using a genealogical database program, nearly all of them also have their own date calculator built into the program. This will usually be found on a "tools" menu or similar place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hester" <mhester@tiscali.co.uk> To: "'Devon List'" <devon-l@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Date of Birth Calculator > Monumental inscriptions and newspaper death notices often quote a date of > death and an age at death in years, months and days. Instead of counting > backwards on your fingers and trying to remember how many days there were > in > the relevant months, try downloading this useful little calculator to work > out the date of birth. > http://www.taubman.org.uk/datecalc/index.html

Although most of the city hall was destroyed, the city hall dome remained, which housed the Hall of Records and did contain many valuable records, particularly title and other legal documents which were saved, but many other records were destroyed, including birth certificates. The follow is taken from Historynet.com: "Ironically, the disaster had an unexpected silver lining for the Chinese. The earthquake and fire completely destroyed city records, including birth certificates. The only way a Chinese person could be a citizen was to be born in the United States, so hundreds came forward after the quake to get new documentation, claiming their birth certificates had been consumed by the flames. Many were successful, though eventually the authorities caught on. If every citizenship claim had been true, each Chinese woman living in San Francisco's Chinatown would have had to have given birth to 500 children!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowena Gough" <rfgough@optusnet.com.au> To: <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] California - early records > I'm now wondering about the San Francisco earthquake and fires in 1906. > Were > the early records of San Francisco pre-1906 destroyed in the fires? Did > those records cover an area larger than the city itself? > Cheers, > Rowena

Sorry, folks, my message to Betty Torno was intended to be private. I tend to forget that hitting "Reply" on this list sends my reply to the list rather than to the poster! Mea culpa-- Sue Budlong ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf6c303b104a577f21st06vuc

Hello, Ellen-- Replying to your very interesting request of 17 May-- I'm sorry, but I was unable to help with the MALLET family, but I _may_ be able to offer you a long shot for finding the GARESCHE / MALLET marriage in San Francisco. Back in the mid-1980s, a professional researcher in San Francisco helped me to find the marriage of my mother's uncle Joseph PELTIER in 1884. She indicated that no civil marriage records from that time frame had survived, but since the PELTIER family was of French origin, she contacted the priest at the church that served the French Catholic community, Notre Dame des Victoires, and was able to get a copy of their church marriage record. I checked the Web site of the church at http://www.ndvsf.org/ , and learned that it was founded in 1856--right at the beginning of the period when your couple may have been married in SF. Checking the "contacts" page, I found that the current pastor is Rene Iturbe, S.M. [Marists], e-mail address <rene@ndvsf.org> . Street address of the church is 566 Bush Street, San Francisco 94108; telephone is (415) 397-0113. Hopefully Pastor Iturbe will be able to help you find the marriage, or else give you suggestions for where else to look. (In trying to find info about Clara Teresa MALLET, I checked every database I could think of at Ancestry.com [Library Edition, at the public library], mostly items regarding the GARESCHEs. This seems like a very interesting family--do you mind if I ask how long they've been in the St. Louis area? The census indicates that Frank was from Delaware, but most of the other GARESCHE names I found were in Missouri--or else on the West Coast, including British Columbia. I gather Frank went to San Francisco in connection with the Gold Rush? (Joseph PELTIER, mentioned above, was an accountant and later a banker with the firm of A. BOREL & Co. in San Francisco; later he followed another bank employee to a banking firm on the Peninsula--I can check the name if you're interested. His brother Francis was an accountant and possibly later a banker with various firms in Mexico, including a silver mine and later a bank. Thus I found your Frank's connection with Wells Fargo to be interesting. (I have other connections with San Francisco, including having lived there myself for 8 years, so though I'm currently focusing on Devon and Cornwall, I try to help whenever I can with requests that connect with that area.) Best of luck with your search--and I'd love to hear if you're successful with the church record! Best regards-- Sue Budlong in sunny Falls Church, VA ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bf6c11bd16fa545be9st03vuc

CORNISH SETTLEMENT IN AUSTRALIA - The SYDNEY MORNING HERALD of December 21st I can't seem to find SMH for 21 December (more to go on site by July), but there are heaps of references to Cornish Settlement in the National Library's digitised newspapers. http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?searchTerm=cornish+settlement Cornish Settlement later became known as Byng and ypu can read up on it at http://www.zentus.com/tomlister/cornishframe.htm Cheers Barbara

Good morning Julia Just to say 'Thank You' for your very kind permission to incorporated SA BMDs from the West Briton John C CARBIS 'Him in Scarlet at Chelsea' > From: jwmos99@msn.com > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 00:39:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] using West Briton BMDs and posts for other publication(s) > JOHN CARBIS wrote: > > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 08:28:59 +0000 > > From: John CARBIS > > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly news, 13 June 1851, BMDS > > To: Cornish GEN > > Good morning Julia and all the others of the transcribing team > > Would you all have any objections to my downloading and copying the your transcripts of BDMs from the West Briton into a 'Miscellaneous' chapter on my forthcoming book 'A Lasting Cornish Footprint in South Africa' > > The subject matter of this book has been mentioned previously on this List > > Due acknowledgement will of course be made to the source of this material > > Kind regards, John > > 'Him in Scarlet at Chelsea' > > > > Hello John - > We'd be honoured to have our transcriptions in your book - perhaps through that, more folks will find them online and be able to more thoroughly research the lives their rellies lived. If you'd care to use any news articles referring to Southern Africa, that would be permissible too. > We've given similar permissions to several people who write and maintain newsletters for Cornish groups, thinking it might forward our goal of helping people discover their history, as well as to several academics wishing to illustrate particular points in their work. (Most of these involved using the Court cases, not BMDs.) > We always appreciate being asked for permission, of course. > The best of luck with your book - hopefully, you'll let all of us know when it's published. > Best regards, > Julia > > Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn > Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell > W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad > Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

Rowena Thank you. This is a good start. Valma > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 09:54:35 +1000 > From: "Rowena Gough" <rfgough@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Cornish Miners in Brazil > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006101caf6e5$78a8ea00$69fabe00$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Valma > > I found another link below. The WorldGenWeb Project, which has a link to > regional page for South America, and this is is an on-line data > repository > for queries, family histories, and source records as well as being > resource > center to identify other on-line databases and resources to assist > researchers. There is a link to a fellow doing look-ups in Brazil. > > http://www.worldgenweb.org/ > > Rowena > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Val Newson > Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 6:58 AM > To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Cornish Miners in Brazil > > I am searching for the birth of Catharine GUMMOW in Brazil, South America. > My problem is that I do not know where in Brazil her family lived. My > research so far indicates > that her parents, Edward and Elizabeth GUMMOW were in Brazil sometime > between 1830 and 1840. Edward was a Cornish miner and the family is > listed > on the 1841 Census. Catharine is listed as being born "outside the census > county of St Agnes". The family emigrated to South Australia in 1847, > Catharine married John > PERRY in 1849 and they moved to Pleasant Creek (now known as Stawell), > Victoria about 1853. The birth certificate of my grandfather, Joseph > PERRY, > > states that his mother Catharine GUMMOW was born in Brazil, South America. > My main brickwall here is that I know nothing about the Cornish miners in > South America, so if some kind lister could point me in the direction of > any > > available publications, etc. I shall be most grateful. > > The search goes on. > > Valma in Berwick, Victoria > Australia I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

Rough and ready:-( she was certainly illiterate. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas veale" <turtle@pipcom.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] William BODINNAR - the last monoglot > one thing for sure she was a fish wife hehehe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:09 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] William BODINNAR - the last monoglot > > >> Dolly PENTREATH is the one who received all the publicity but William >> BODINNAR was the last monoglot who only spoke Cornish and who could also >> read and write Cornish. Dolly couldn't read or write! >> >> Liz >> www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery >> OPC for Street, Somerset >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks also Joy and Mike. My knowledge very gradually broadens. Peter -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kiernan Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 8:29 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly newspaper, 27 June 1851 BMDs There are, today, several thousand people in Cornwall (and some around the world and some on this list) who speak Cornish. I think the question should be rephrased to "who was the last native speaker". It has generaly been accepted that it was Dolly Pentreath of Paul parish. A memorial outside the walls of the churchyard reads : "Her lieth interred DOROTHY PENTREATH, who died in 1777, said to have been the last person who conversed in the ancient Cornish, the peculiar language of this county from the earliest records till it expired in the eighteenth century, in this parish of St Paul. This stone is erected by the Prince LOUIS LUCIEN BONAPARTE, in union with the Rev. JOHN GARRETT, vicar of St Paul. June, 1860. Honour thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. Exod. xx. 12. Gwra perthi de taz ha de mam; mal de Dythiow bethemz hyr war an tyr neb an arleth de dew ryes dees. Exod. xx. 12." In 1860, Prince Lucian Bonaparte visited Paul to ascertain what remained of the Cornish language. Together with the vicar he inserted a small granite obelisk surmounted by a Maltese cross in the churchyard wall. The above inscription is on that obelisk. "Old Dolly Portreath, as she was popularly known, retained her maiden name until her death, which occurred in her 102nd year; her husbands name was JEFFERY. She was buried in Paul churchyard, but no stone marks her grave (there is a "fabulous" story of one, which embodies a supposed epitaph in the Cornish Language). The Parish Register has the following entry in the burial section, dated 1777 : "DOROTHY JEFFERY was buried December 27th. This is the famous DOLLY PENTREATH (her maiden name) spoken of by Daines Barrington in the Archaeologia." Recent research does indicate that this is incorrect - it appears that their were people around in the early Victorian period that had a reasonable knowledge of the language. As for Mousehole. Many place names in Cornwall were anglicised by English speakers ignorant of the Cornish language. They tended to call places as it sounded to them. So it is possible that Mousehole is a mangled version of the Cornish Mo-sul, which when put into English is something to do with the sun. However, I've no knowledge of the Cornish language let alone etymology and so one of our Cornish language experts may like to comment on this. Incidently, there appears to have been another name for Mousehole - "Porth Ynnys" meaning Island Cove. Mike, Redruth. ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Susan, it all comes clear, do you know when Dolly passed on? Peter -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Old Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 7:21 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly newspaper, 27 June 1851 BMDs Two or three questions, who was and when was the last person to speak Cornish, and how does a place get to be called Mousehole? Dear Peter, It is said to be Dolly Pentreath that was the last Cornish speaker and Mousehole gets its name from the very narrow entrance to the harbour as I understand it. Regards, Susan in Wadebridge CFHS 9508 OPC for St Merryn, St Ervan, St Eval, St Mawgan & St Columb Major Parish Reconstruction up to 1891 on St Merryn, St Ervan, St Eval, St Mawgan, Padstow, St Issey, Little Petherick, St Wenn, Withiel, Egloshayle, St Breock, St Columb Major & Minor, Newlyn East, St Kew, St Mabyn & St Tudy http://cornwall-opc.org/ http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2882 - Release Date: 05/18/10 19:26:00 ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 27 JUNE 1851 ECCLESIASTICAL - THE REV. T. G. GRYLLS, last assistant curate of Penzance, has been appointed to the curacy of Sancreed, vacant by the resignation of the REC. G. D'ARCY IRVINE. CHURCH MISSIONARY SOCIETY - On Sunday last two sermons were preached in St. Austell church by the REV. E. J. TREFFRY, of Place House, Fowey, on behalf of the above society. Collections were made at the close of each service, which amounted to upwards of GBP 8. PENZANCE QUAY FAIR - This fair was held at this Quay of Midsummer-day. The country folks crowded to the scene in great numbers, and in taking their "penny-worths of sea" gave full employment to the pilots and boatmen belonging to the pier. The Mount's Bay was dotted with boats filled with gaily-dressed parties, and this custom, which has been observed almost from time immemorial, was on this occasion kept up with great spirit. COURT OF BANKRUPTCY - In the Court of Bankruptcy, for the Exeter District, on Monday last, application was made to the Commissioner, for the discharge from custody of THOMAS DAVEY, late a butcher of Liskeard, but now a prisoner in Bodmin Gaol, whose certificate was some time since suspended for two years, without protection. MESSRS. BISHOP and PITTS produced a memorial which had been signed by several of the bankrupt's creditors, and stated that he had been in prison for three months. MR. STOGDON, who was instructed to appear for the detaining creditor, resisted the application; the Commissioner refused to grant the prisoner's release, until he shall have been six months in prison. In re JAMES HILL, miller, Saltash; last examination. MR. R. EDMONDS for trade assignee, and MR. J. E. ELWORTHY for the bankrupt, who it appeared had not made out any balance sheet. His examination was adjourned sine die. The amount of the estate is GBP 2; the debts above GBP 120. By the above adjournment the bankrupt will be liable to imprisonment. MAILS DELAYED - The Mails on Tuesday last were delayed to a late hour, in consequence of the heavy trains down the line. About mid-day a large detachment of the Royal Marines from H.M.S. "Wellesley," and a number of the crew, came down, having been paid off. They caused the train to be very heavy, and as the Bristol and Exeter train had not arrived at its proper time, the 4:10a.m. down train from Exeter left at its proper time without bringing on the mail bags. The mails came on by the next train; and were several hours later than their usual time of arrival at Truro. TEETOTAL ANNIVERSARIES - On Wednesday the 18th instant, the annual meeting of the St. Austell teetotal society took place. On the afternoon of that day a sermon was preached in the Baptist Chapel by the Rev. Mr. POLSFORD, after which the friends to the cause adjourned to the Market-house, where a public tea took place, to which a great number sat down. After tea a public meeting was held, which was presided over by Mr. BALKWILL, of Bodmin, and the meeting was addressed by the Revds. Messrs. COPE, POLSFORD, GREEN, and Mr. G. THOMAS. - On Tuesday morning, an excursion train, consisting of eight carriages, with about two hundred passengers, left Moorswater, near Liskeard; each carriage bore a banner with a suitable inscription; the band played at all the villages on the line. The assemblage at Cheesewring was large, but so scattered about the rocky regions of this wild locality that to estimate the number of persons present was a very difficult task. The day was passed by the teetotalers in a very agreeable manner with the exception of a little annoyance they experienced on their way up, from the circumstance of a portion of the rail having been feloniously removed by some individual unknown. Had the train been returning, and the circumstance unobserved, the consequences would have been very serious. THE "HORRORS OF TRANSPORTATION" - Two lectures under this title were delivered on Monday and Tuesday evenings last, at the Town Hall, Truro, by Mr. COCKNEY, a returned convict, who depicted in forcible language the sufferings which the felon is doomed to undergo, when transported to the penal settlements. The lecturer has a fluent deliver and a manner which bespeaks attention and credence. He spoke of his conviction at the Manchester sessions in 1837, for burglary, of his sentence to transportation, his embarkation on board the "Neptune", convict ship, for Hobart Town, Van Diemen's Land, his sufferings on the voyage, and the extreme hardships he endured on landing; of the lashing of refractory convicts; and the sufferings the prisoners have to endure at Port Arthur. The lecturer appeared in the costume of a Port Arthur convict, wearing the felon's suit in double chains, and exhibiting the cat-o'-nine-tails. After the lectures, Mr. Ciockney exhibited a number of dioramic views of the principal towns, chain gangs, and penal settlements in Van Kiemen's Land, and showing the general aspect of the country. There has existed an impression amongst some persons that transportation is not a very harsh purnishment, and that convicts in the penal settlements are nearly as well situated as many poor persons in England. The lectures of Mr. Cockney prove that this is a mere mistaken notion, and his exhibition of the horrors of a convict's life will perhaps have a good effect in deterring from crime. ST. AUSTELL ANNUAL WRESTLING - This public diversion came off on Tuesday and Wednesday the 17th and 18th instant, in a field belonging to MR. HENRY STEPHENS, just above the fair park. The weather on both days was very fine, and on the Wednesday it is supposed there were not less than three thousand persons present. In the first round of standards playing, amidst some excellent wrestling, and after a long struggle, HICKS, of Lostwithiel, threw EUDY, of Luxulyan; HENRY PENHALE of Gwinear threw RICHARDS, of St. Austell; JOHN OXNAM of Newlyn threw WM. TREGONING of St. Austell; JAMES WILLIAMS, of Newlyn, threw THOMAS WATERS of St. Austell; and JAMES LONG, of Gwennap, threw JOHN HAMBLY, of St. Austell. In the double play, OXNAM threw KENDLE, of Bodmin; OLIVER threw BLIGHT of St. Austell; KESTLE threw SMITH; JOHN MARTYN of St. Austell threw H. PENHALE; LONG threw HICKS; and JAMES WILLIAMS threw WM. MATTHEWS. In the treble play, OXNAM threw HOSKIN; WILLIAMS threw LONG. Finally, OXNAM threw WILLIAMS, and the prizes were awarded as follows: 1st prize, GBP 5, JOHN OXNAM; 2nd prize, GBP 3, JAMES WILLIAMS; 3rd prize, GBP 2, OLIVER; 4th prize, GBP 1, JAMES LONG. TREAT TO THE BLIND - On Thursday the 19th instant, a very novel treat was given by MR. NICHOLAS JENNINGS, of Pennance, in Gwennap, to forty-five blind men. It appears that Mr. Jennings had previously been afflicted with a complaint in his eyes - since which time he has always manifested a most sincere regard for the poor blind, and his great liberality and kindness on the present occasion received the grateful thanks of those unfortunate men. After dinner a meeting took place in the open air, and very appropriate addresses were delivered by Messrs. VIVIAN, PAUL, COCK, and SIMS. - from a correspondent. CORNISH SETTLEMENT IN AUSTRALIA - The SYDNEY MORNING HERALD of December 21st gives an account of what is called the Cornish Settlement, situated about twenty-five miles from Bathurst, in Australia. The settlement was first located in 1820, and the greater part of the settlers were Cornish people; hence the origin of the present name of the district. It appears that mining is now carried on there. About two years ago indications of copper were discovered by MR. JOHN LANE, which were found to extend also to ground belonging to MR. JOHN GLASSON. Four shafts have been sunk by Mr. Lane, and one by Mr. Glasson; and the work is carried on principally on tribute, the miners getting six, eight, and ten tons out of every twenty. The shafts sunk by Mr. Lane are on a north and south lode, which is twenty-two feet wide. The ore is found in branches varying in thickness from two to eight inches. Mr. Glasson' s shaft is sunk on the course of a lode which is supposed to be a continuation of Mr. Lane's main lode. Both gentlemen have on the surface between three and four hundred tons of ore, of rich quality. Smelting works have just been erected at the mines, conducted by MR. RICHARD COCK, and ingots of copper have been produced by one smelting which contain ninety-five per cent of pure copper. For the furnaces of the smelting works box wood is used, cut into nine-inch lengths, and billeted, which it is said answers well for rapid fusion, purity of metal, and clean slag. FALMOUTH POLICE - SARAH BIRD summoned MOSES SAMUEL JACOB for an assault, which was proved, and he was fined 5s. and costs. SMUGGLING - On Monday the 16th instant, the "St. George," of Bristol was released from the custody of H.M. Customs, by order of the board; but in consequence of a quantity of spirits having been crept up by the custom-house officers on the morning of Saturday last, she was stopped. A piece of chain, and the rope attached to the tubs, correspond with those on board the above named vessel. SERIOUS ACCIDENT - As a boy of Helston, named STEPHENS, was driving a horse and cart from Constantine churchtown towards Gweek, on Wednesday last, the horse, from some cause or other started off and threw the lad out of the cart, the wheel passed over and broke one of his legs and severed two of his fingers from his hand. The boy was taken up and conveyed to his parent's abode in Helston; and we are happy to add that at present nothing fatal is to apprehended. SINGULAR ACCIDENT - On Thursday the 19th instant, as a poor old man called WILLIAM THOMAS, was gathering some blossom from an elder tree at Luggans, near Hayle, he overreached himself, fell backwards and was unable to rise. DR. MILLETT, who was immediately sent for, discovered that the neck of the thigh bone was fractured. As the poor old man was a recipient of parish relief, he requested them to send for MR. VAWDREY, one of the union surgeons, under whose care the poor man lies. CORONER'S INQUESTS - On the 18th instant, an inquest was held before MR. HAMLEY, county coroner, on JOHN CROSSMAN, a miner, who met his death under the following circumstances: He was working with his father and brother in Rocks Mine, near St. Austell, when a scale of earth suddenly came away on them and buried the deceased. He was soon got out but was quite dead. Verdict, accidental death. The following inquest has been held by MR. ROSKRUGE, coroner for Helston: On Friday last, on the body of EDWARD WINNAN, aged eighty-six, who had lived for many years in the service of MR. G. GRYLLS, as a gardener. >From the evidence it appeared that about one o'clock he went into the back premises attached to his residence in Church-street, where after an absence of about half an hour, he was discovered by his wife, in a sitting position apparently dead; she immediately made an alarm, and with the assistance of the neighbours, got him into the house, and placed him on the bed, where he was shortly after visited by a surgeon. The deceased had from his great age been gradually declining, and was occasionally subject to "qualms." Verdict, died by the visitation of God. JUDICIAL COMMITTEE of the PRIVY COUNCIL - SATURDAY JUNE 21 The members of the Committee were - the Chancellor of the Duchy of Cornwall, the Judge of the Admiralty Court, the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, and the Right Hon. SIR EDWARD RYAN. BENNETT v. FREE - TESTAMENTARY PAPERS - JUDGMENT - This was an appeal from the decision of the judge of the Prerogative Court. It appeared that the testator in this case, JOHN BRITTON, who resided in the parish of Budock, in this county, executed two wills. The first will was dated the 11th day of November, 1846, and was promoted by EDWARD BENNETT, the sole executor named, against CHARLOTTE SUSANNAH OSLER, the sole executrix named in a prior will, bearing the date the 13th of May, 1843, and a codicil dated April 19, 1844. The appellant contended that it was not proved by credible witnesses that the testator was insane at the time the last alleged will was executed, nor that the will had been improperly obtained from the testator. On the contrary, it had been proved by credible witnesses that it was the spontaneous act of a competent testator, and was entitled to probate. The Council, without hearing the arguments on behalf of the respondent, decided that the judgment of the court below must be affirmed. Judgment accordingly. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Two or three questions, who was and when was the last person to speak Cornish, and how does a place get to be called Mousehole? Peter Opc Mylor and Flushing -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jwmos99@msn.com Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 5:24 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] weekly newspaper, 27 June 1851 BMDs Mr. Pentreath died at Mousehole - descendant of the last speaker of Cornish??