Does anyone know what a "Spence under the stairs" might have been? West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser QUARTER SESSIONS, 4 JULY 1851 - part 3 WEDNESDAY, JULY 2 JOHN GIDLEY, 34, was charged with stealing on the 1st of May, at Truro, a pick, the property of SAMUEL DATE. Mr. J. B. COLLINS conducted the prosecution; Mr. STOKES the defence. The prosecutor, who works on the roads as a labourer for the Truro Union, stated that on the 15th of March, he delivered his pick to DREW, a smith at Truro, for the purpose of being altered, and left it in his possession. About the 14th of May, Drew informed him that he had lost his pick about the beginning of that month. The prosecutor, on the 24th of May, obtained a warrant from the Mayor of Truro, and went to Gidley's house with a constable, WARD, who found the pick in a Spence, under the stairs. Witness knew the pick to be his by a mark on the hilt, and an eye on the handle. -ROBERT DREW, smith, stated that he altered the pick as desired by prosecutor; and had seen the prisoner, who had tools of his own there, handling this pick. Prisoner had a similar two-point pick there, but with quite a different eye, - one being oval, the other a diamond. Witness left the shop about a quarter of an hour, and shortly after his return, missed the prosecutor's pick. -JAMES LONG, smith, in the employ of Mr. JEFFERY, about twelve months since, made five or six similar picks for Date; the pick now produced was one of those he so made; he knew it by the eye. MR. STOKES, opening the defence, said the question for consideration was as to the identity of the property. It was admitted that the prisoner did take the pick from Drew's shop; but it would be proved that the pick was his own property, and Drew himself had admitted that prisoner had at his shop, at the time referred to, a pick similar to that of the prosecutor's. If therefore, the proof should fail as to the pick being the prisoner's property, still the circumstances would not warrant a verdict that the prisoner took the pick with felonious intent. -ROBERT DREW, recalled by the Chairman, stated that the prisoner's pick was taken away from his shop about the same time as prosecutor's; it was not left there after prosecutor's pick was taken away, and he (Drew) allowed prisoner 1.6d. for it, in account. -JOHN BLACKMORE, a labourer on the Kenwyn parish roads, had during the last three years worked with prisoner, and occasionally used prisoner's tools. About three years ago, the prisoner's father-in-law, named RICHARD SOBEY, the foreman of the roads, brought the pick in question to him (Blackmore), and stated that it was Gidley's. (Witness looked at the pick and hilt and from several marks which he pointed out to the jury, positively swore that the pick belonged to the prisoner.) Had often carried the pick to smiths' shops to be repaired. The last time he carried the pick for repairs was about March twelve months. The last time he worked with that pick was about ten or twelve months since, but had seen it several times since. Witness and prisoner were in the habit of using each other's tools. -RICHARD BEHENNA, a foreman at REED's smith's shop, Truro, had been there three years. Prisoner and his partner repeatedly brought tools there to be repaired. In March, 1850, the prisoner brought him this pick, and he (witness) laid it at both ends, and then noticed in the interior of the eye a notch in the iron - a flaw in the working. The witness removed the pick from the handle, and pointed out the mark to the jury. The Chairman in summing up, spoke of the unimpeachable character of the witnesses on both sides, observing that the conflict of testimony showed that there was some singular mistake as to the property. The only circumstance which appeared of a suspicious nature, as against the prisoner, was the fact of his having been allowed 1s.6d. for his own pick; if his own pick had been left at the shop, the notion of "mistake" would have been more obvious. Still, with such testimony as had been adduced as to the property, he thought they could not convict of felonious intent. The jury, however, after rather long consultation, returned a verdict of Guilty. One Fortnight to hard labour. ......... ELIZABETH TREWOLA, 45, was charged with stealing on the 14th of June, a pound weight of butter, the property of FRANCIS GUNDRY, of the Queen's Head, Truro. -ELIZABETH GUNDRY, daughter of prosecutor, bought of MRS. WILLIAMS at the market, a pound and two half-pounds of butter , and afterwards saw it in the dairy. On the following day, WOOLCOCK, a policeman, went to prisoner's house and there found in a glass cupboard, a pound of butter, which she said she had purchased about half-past eight at the market. He took charge of the butter, and apprehended the prisoner; and, on the following Wednesday, it was produced before the magistrates where it was identified by E. Gundry and by Mrs. Williams. Mrs. Williams testified she sold 5 lbs. of butter, all to private individuals. She had a unique butter-print. On being apprehended, prisoner said she had never been in the Queen's Head. -FRANCIS MARY STEVENS, a servant of Mr. Gundry, who had known prisoner for four years, saw her in the passage-way, between the tap and the bar-door, at the Queen's Head. She asked for a glass of porter. Witness went to the bar for the porter, leaving the prisoner alone in the passage, the dairy door being open. At that time, prisoner had nothing with her; she remained about a quarter of an hour. When witness came out with the porter, prisoner had something under her left arm. -WILLIAM NICHOLLS, constable of Redruth, on Sunday morning the 15th of June, saw the prisoner at Truro prison. She said "This is a bad job; I did it through drink; can't it be settled?" Verdict, Guilty. Two Months' hard labour. ......... RICHARD TREMBRATH, 21, was charged with stealing, on the 10th of June, at the parish of St. Buryan, a basket containing a shilling, two sixpences, fivepence-halfpenny, and a pair of gloves, the property of ELIZABETH BOASE. The prosecutrix stated that on the 11th of June, she was at OATES's public house with a MRS. WARREN. While they were there, prisoner came in, and in his presence prosecutrix counted her money into her basket, and also put her gloves in. The prisoner immediately afterwards snatched the basket out of her hand and ran away. She ran after him but could not catch him. Afterwards she went to a Mrs. WALLIS's, where the basket was shown her. She then informed a constable, and prisoner was brought to Mrs. Wallis's, where, in the presence of witness, he took three half pence out of his pocket and said to Mrs. Wallis "there's the money I had from you for the basket." MRS. WALLIS stated that she lived at Buryan about a quarter of a mile from Oates's beer-shop. On the 11th of June, prisoner came to her house and offered the basket for sale, and she gave him three halfpence for it. Afterwards he was brought by the constable, and paid her back the three halfpence; and she gave up the basket to the prosecutrix. At the time of the transaction, the prisoner was not "true drunk" but had been drinking. Verdict, Guilty. Four Months' hard labour. ........... CATHERINE MORRIS, 31, was charged with having on the 19th of April, at Redruth, stolen from the person of JOHN OLIVER, one sovereign, two half-crowns, and two shillings, the property of the said John Oliver. The prosecutor, a miner living at Gwennap, on the 19th of April, was at the King's Arms, in Redruth, having the money named in a bag. Prisoner was in the room when he paid for a pint of beer. He was standing with his back towards her, when she put her hand into his right hand pocket and ran off. He then missed his bag and money, and ran after the prisoner into the street, and apprehended her, and gave her in charge. Knew the bag and money were in his pocket about ten minutes before. -WILLIAM BARNETT, a lad employed at the yard of the King's Arms on the day in question, saw the prisoner pass down through the court with a bag in one hand, and a finger and thumb of the other hand in the bag. Afterwards saw constable Tredinnick pick up the bag about thirty or forty yards from the place; he believed that bag to be the same he had seen in prisoner's hands. -JOHN TREDINNICK, constable, apprehended prisoner and was present when she was searched; there was found on her two half-crowns and three shillings in a housewife, but no bag. In consequence of information given by the last witness, witness went down the back-yard of the inn, and at about ten or fifteen paces from where Barnett told him the prisoner had passed, he found a bag on the ground. This witness produced the bag, which was identified by the prosecutor and his wife. CHARLES TREGONING, constable of Redruth, stated that, after he had the prisoner in custody, she at first denied all knowledge of the robbery; but the next day she said if there was any sovereign among the silver, she must have lost it in the crowd. Verdict, Guilty of stealing from the person. Four Months' hard labour. ............ JOHN DAVIS, 19, charged with stealing, on the 28th of April, from the boiler-house at Drakewalls mine, in the parish of Calstock, a pair of shoes and a pair of stockings, the property of HENRY WILLIAMS, miner. Guilty. Four Months' hard labour.

I have received the following from Liz. ------------------------------------------------------------------- >Sorry I can't send this through the list at the moment because my >default mail address is down...grr. I'm not subbed through this address. > >No, I think you will find that the person who died in Akron, Ohio in >1914 is Eliza, his wife that was. She was on the Titanic and died >exactly two years to the day after the sinking. We know from their >children - who were also on the Titanic - that he vanished in >1892. She didn't hear from him for 7 years so had him declared dead >and she then remarried William GUY in 1899. They had one daughter, >Dorothy, who died in 1908 and William GUY died in 1907. After that >she reverted to the name RICHARDS and travelled to Akron, Ohio with >her extended family. > >I visited the family graves in Akron, Ohio and the family homestead >with Linda Mann last October and I know all those families from West >Cornwall who emigrated to Akron. > >Perhaps you would be kind enough to forward this to the list so that >people know I am unable to communicate at the moment. I might have >a word with List Mom as I can't unsub!! I could then subscribe with >my other address. > >Regards >Liz >www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery

On 26/05/2010 09:52, "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> wrote: > If the letter 'k' appears after 'Ros' then Roskear sounds a safe bet, Judy who has seen a copy said On 26/05/2010 09:27, "judy olsen" <copywriter@tesco.net> wrote: > > I think this matches the address in the will. The letter after Ros- > does not look like another s, could easily be a k. If the next word > is Camborne it looks like the the final e is missing. But the word > 'niece' is spelled 'neice' so I would not be surprised if the place > names were incorrect as well. I've scanned the will in both grey scale and b/w .. And this shows up that the letter is indeed a K ... (I'm working from a photocopy ) Regarding spellings .. As we work out who she actually left legacies to it becomes clear that there are several mistakes in the typescript.... This is a typescript of the will attached to the grant of probate. I have photocopies of these which were sent to me recently. It now looks like Louisa Tuer GALTRESS (born PENGELLY in Looe in 1872) widow of Frank George GALTRESS (1872 Wandsworth to 1938 Kent) was ill following his death and went to stay with Mrs Herbert Phelps in Cornwall 'in the early part of the war'. She wrote the will in October 1939 and it is witnessed by Florence and Albert BRAY of 21 Roskear Villas Camborne ( oh dear I've only now seen the significance of this detail!) She died at Penrest, Trelawn Looe in January 1940...... So no wonder the spelling goes awry .. She either wrote or dictated her will and then when probate was granted some clerk did the best they could with typing up her wishes. Judy will have seen that this niece is called Ekie! Typo we now know for Elsie .. She had another niece also written Ekie who was also Elsie And one beneficiary is simply "Ada" ..... Fortunately she made her son (and only child ) William Wainman GALTRESS the executor so he knew who all these people were supposed to be. Thanks for all the help. I suppose the best bet to tie down the PHELPS will be Electoral Rolls for Camborne ... Which Library/Archive would hold those? Regards Robin

Hi Robin If the letter 'k' appears after 'Ros' then Roskear sounds a safe bet, especially with the other clues. Love your site!! Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robin@scottishwool.com Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:14 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Herbert Phelps 1939 Camborne? Thanks to all for the suggestions I think that Elsie - Mrs Herbert PHELPS is living in The Manse in Roskear. Several pieces of information point the way ... The 1911 Boarding school was a Methodist foundation. In the 1901 census RG13/2194 Folio 29 Page 1. Elsie Pearce then age 6 is living at home - Trelaske, Pelynt (Liskeard RD) and in the household is Lucy JAMES (Visitor, single, female, age 34, born Rise, Yorkshire, Evangelist (Pentecostal League), And I've found a report about the " Cornwall Industrial Settlements Initiative TUCKINGMILL AND ROSKEAR " the website http://www.historic-cornwall.org.uk/ Where it states "The villas on the main road to Camborne had been built and occupied by people from Tuckingmill rather than Camborne (for instance the manse for Tuckingmill Methodist Chapel was here), although eventually they met with the spread of housing moving eastwards out of Camborne." So how can I check this? Robin -- Robin & Margaret McEwen-King, Middletown Farm, Nemphlar, Scotland Fun lamb videos for our grand children and friends at http://www.scottishwool.com/ ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a 1935 Kelly's Directory of Cornwall, and do not find a Phelps listed at Camborne nor at Tuckingmill. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Herbert Phelps 1939 Camborne? You can find out where people were living in 1939 from the NHS but it is expensive (£42) and it excludes people still living and I think you may have to produce a death certificate to prove the person is dead. The Register was compiled to enable the issue of identity cards and ration books. If you google 1939 National Register you should find a link. I don't know if there are any directories available for that period either online or in a library. The latest on www.historicaldirectories.org/ is Kelly's Directory of Devon & Cornwall 1914. Regards, Joy

You can find out where people were living in 1939 from the NHS but it is expensive (£42) and it excludes people still living and I think you may have to produce a death certificate to prove the person is dead.  The Register was compiled to enable the issue of identity cards and ration books.  If you google 1939 National Register you should find a link. I don't know if there are any directories available for that period either online or in a library.  The latest on www.historicaldirectories.org/ is Kelly's Directory of Devon & Cornwall 1914. Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: "robin@scottishwool.com" <robin@scottishwool.com> To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 26 May, 2010 8:14:19 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Herbert Phelps 1939 Camborne? Thanks to all for the suggestions  I think that Elsie - Mrs Herbert PHELPS is living in The Manse  in Roskear. Several pieces of information point the way ... The 1911 Boarding school was a Methodist foundation. In the 1901 census RG13/2194 Folio 29 Page 1. Elsie Pearce then age 6 is living at home -  Trelaske, Pelynt (Liskeard RD) and  in the household is Lucy JAMES (Visitor, single, female, age 34, born Rise, Yorkshire, Evangelist (Pentecostal League), And I've found a report  about the " Cornwall Industrial Settlements Initiative TUCKINGMILL AND ROSKEAR " the website http://www.historic-cornwall.org.uk/ Where it states "The villas on the main road to Camborne had been built and occupied by people from Tuckingmill rather than Camborne (for instance the manse for Tuckingmill Methodist Chapel was here), although eventually they met with the spread of housing moving eastwards out of Camborne." So how can I check this? Robin -- Robin & Margaret McEwen-King, Middletown Farm, Nemphlar, Scotland Fun lamb videos for our grand children and friends at http://www.scottishwool.com/ ------------------------------- Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think this matches the address in the will. The letter after Ros- does not look like another s, could easily be a k. If the next word is Camborne it looks like the the final e is missing. But the word 'niece' is spelled 'neice' so I would not be surprised if the place names were incorrect as well. J On 26 May 2010, at 08:14, robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > Thanks to all for the suggestions I think that Elsie - Mrs Herbert > PHELPS > is living in The Manse in Roskear. > > Several pieces of information point the way ... The 1911 Boarding > school was > a Methodist foundation. > > > In the 1901 census RG13/2194 Folio 29 Page 1. > Elsie Pearce then age 6 is living at home - Trelaske, Pelynt > (Liskeard RD) > and in the household is Lucy JAMES (Visitor, single, female, age > 34, born > Rise, Yorkshire, Evangelist (Pentecostal League), > > And > > I've found a report about the " Cornwall Industrial Settlements > Initiative > TUCKINGMILL AND ROSKEAR " the website http://www.historic- > cornwall.org.uk/ > > Where it states > "The villas on the main road to Camborne had been built and > occupied by > people from Tuckingmill rather than Camborne (for instance the > manse for > Tuckingmill Methodist Chapel was here), although eventually they > met with > the spread of housing moving eastwards out of Camborne." > > > > So how can I check this? > > > Robin > > -- > Robin & Margaret McEwen-King, Middletown Farm, Nemphlar, Scotland > Fun lamb videos for our grand children and friends at > http://www.scottishwool.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robin Ros is a very common prefix in Cornwall - Rosewarne, Rosevear, Rosemorran, etc. etc. so you may be only reading a half of the name. Rosewarne is one to be found in the Camborne area but there are probably others. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robin@scottishwool.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 11:30 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Herbert Phelps 1939 Camborne? Can anyone suggest where we can find .... The Manse Ros??? Possibly Camborne Louisa Tuer GALTRESS (nee PENGELLY) left a small legacy to 'niece Elsie .. Mrs Herbert PHELPS' at an address which is faint typing and we can only be sure of the above part. Lousia T lived in Wandsworth but came from Looe and there are several links with Cornwall. We think that Elsie was Elsie PEARCE (b 1895 Pelynt) daughter of Richard Geach PEARCE and Eliza Pengelly ( a sister of Louisa) Any suggestion on using Cornwall sources most welcome. BTW Elsie was at Edge Hill College in Bideford in 1911 TIA Robin (One name study of GALTRESS and particularly interested in this branch as they are close relatives) ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be that the "JAMES FITZSIMMONS, policeman" mentioned in the report is the father of Bob Fitzsimmons, the future heavyweight boxing champion. James was from Ireland and married Jane Strongman, born St Clements. He was a policeman during his time in Cornwall. The family emigrated to Timaru, NZ in 1872. On 26 May 2010, at 05:38, <jwmos99@msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > QUARTER SESSIONS, 4 JULY 1851 - part 2 > > ........... > HOUSEBREAKING - JAMES GILBERT, 25, was indicted for breaking and > entering the dwelling house of William ROBINS, of Kenwyn, and > stealing a silver watch, his property. Mr. J. B. COLLINS conducted > the prosecution, and Mr. STOKES defended the prisoner. [some > testimony 'clipped'] > > -ANN ROBINS, wife of prosecutor, testified on the morning of the > 29th of November last, she left home about half-past eight; her > mother ELIZABETH CLEMO and her little boy remained in the house. > Before leaving, she saw the watch in her bed-room, and all the > windows and doors were locked. When she returned about seven in the > evening, she noticed the parlour window was broken; went through > house to see if anything was missing, and saw watch was gone. > > The next day, she went to Truro to ask about the watch, and went to > the house of MR. SKYRME, in Kenwyn-street; there saw HENRY ROSSITER > and mentioned the loss of the watch, and described it. Mr. Rossiter > produced a watch, the same as she had lost the previous day. She > left the watch in Rossiter's father' shop; he is a watchmaker. Some > weeks after, she received the watch from Rossiter's father, and gave > it to policeman FITZSIMMONS. > > -ELIZABETH CLEMO, an aged woman, said she went out to escort her > grandson to school; she was absent about a quarter of an hour; when > she returned, found the parlour window had been put down; the window > was broken, and the mark of a man's foot on the table; she also saw > a screw was out. She went up stairs, but was too hurried to look > about to see if anyone was there. > > Cross-examined: the house is some way from the public road; she > thought they could make the nearest neighbour hear by calling from > their house. > > -ANN MANUEL, lives near the house of prosecutor. On the morning of > the 29th of November about nine o'clock, the prisoner was at > witness's house offering writing paper, steel pens, and envelopes > for sale. > Cross-examined: She was sure prisoner was the man who offered the > things for sale; had not seen him since, but knew him by his > features, not by his dress. > > -HENRY ROSSITER, watchmaker at Truro, resided at Probus in November > last. On the afternoon of the 29th of November, prisoner came to > witness's house, and offered him paper and envelopes for sale. He > took a watch from his pocket and asked what witness would charge to > repair it. Witness told him the charge would be more than the value > of the watch; he then asked witness to buy it, and asked six > shillings for it. Witness gave him five shillings for the watch, and > went next day to Mr Skyrme's shop to have a new face put in the > watch; whilst there Mrs. Robins came in and mentioned her loss and > described the watch correctly. He then showed her the watch, and she > identified it. Prisoner, when > he sold witness the watch, showed his name on the corner of his box, > "GILBERT, St. Austell". > > -WALTER ROSSITER, watchmaker at Truro, father of last witness, said > he received a watch from him in November last, which in about six > weeks afterwards he gave over to Ann Robins. > > -JAMES FITZSIMMONS, policeman, received the watch from Ann Robins on > the 19th of May; had previously apprehended the prisoner; received > information of the robbery in November last; prosecutor lives about > eight miles and a half from Probus. Mr. STOKES then addressed the > jury for the prisoner. The Chairman then summed up, and the jury > found the prisoner Guilty of breaking and entering, and stealing. A > prior conviction for felony in 1850 was proved against the prisoner, > who then went by the name of JAMES ROWSE. > > There was another indictment against the prisoner (which was not > proceeded with), charging him with stealing on the 12th of May, in > the parish of Kea, a purse > containing two sovereigns, twelve shillings, two gold rings, and a > gold pin and chain, the property of THOMAS HORNBROOK. Transported > for seven years. > ........... > > MARY JANE GEORGE, 17, who had been servant to JAMES HILL, of the > parish of Mevagissey, pleaded Guilty of having stolen twelve pounds, > the property of her master, from a dwelling house, on the night of > the 4th of May last. Four Months' hard labour. > ......... > > RICHARD BENNEY was charged with stealing a horse collar, the > property of WILLIAM TREBILCOCK, a farmer of St. Columb Major. Mr. G. > COLLINS for the prosecution, and Mr. STOKES for the prisoner. > > It appeared from the evidence that on Monday the 19th of May, > prosecutor lent his grey mare to another farmer, Mr. JOHN SMART; and > with her harness, including a new collar. On the following evening, > shortly before six o'clock, farmer Smart having finished with the > mare, turned her out in the lane, with the harness about her, to go > home to her master's, intending to follow her, but which some > circumstance prevented him from doing. > > A man called BALL saw the mare near Trekenning Fourturnings, and a > little further on, on the Bodmin road, he met the prisoner driving a > donkey cart, having nothing in his hand or in the cart. Another > witness, JOHNANNA KARKEEK, afterwards saw the donkey and cart in a > positon across the road, and no person with the donkey; five or six > yards from the > turning, she then saw Richard Benney running across the road with a > collar in his hand, and afterwards she saw the mare without a collar. > > JANE TREBILCOCK, prosecutor's daughter, next met prisoner with his > donkey-cart going towards her father's house, and he had then > nothing in his hand; she afterwards saw the mare without a collar. > > POLICEMAN COOMB deposed to statements prisoner made to him; prisoner > denied that he stole the collar. > > Mr. Stokes addressed the jury in behalf of the prisoner, > representing that the collar seen in prisoner's possession was not > proved to have been the collar that was on the mare. He also called > to speak to prisoner's good character, MR. WILLIAM HAWKE, of Mawgan; > but this witness was cross-examined by Mr. Collins, who asked him if > he had never heard that prisoner had been convicted of stealing > straw. Witness said he had never heard of it, but he had been at > times absent from the neighbourhood. > > Verdict Guilty. Three Months' hard labour. > ......... > PRISCILLA MURTON, 14, was charged with stealing from the person of > MARY PEARCE, two shillings and a purse with steel beads, the > property of THOMAS PEARCE, of St. Enoder. > > Mary Pearce deposed she was at Truro, in the shop of MR. H. ANDREWS, > draper, on the 24th of May. She had a purse containing two > shillings in the pocket of her dress when she went in. Five minutes > later, she missed her purse; saw prisoner at door when she went in. > -ELIZABETH ANN PEARCE, daughter of last witness, remained in the > doorway of Mr. Andrews's shop; saw prisoner go in close to her > mother's side, then immediately leave. There were many persons in > the shop at the same time; it was market day. > -ELIZABETH BASSETT was in Mr. JOB's shop on the same afternoon, > about half-past four; had four and sixpence taken from her pocket; > did not know by whom. > -CATHERINE BARTLETT, wife of the prison-keeper at Truro, searched > prisoner when taken into custody; found in her pocket six shillings > and a sixpenny piece, and one penny. Prisoner said it was her aunt's > money; that there was a fortune-teller coming in, and her aunt gave > the money to her to take care of it; she said the penny was given > her to buy lace. > JOSEPH WARD, policeman, received the money from Mrs. Bartlett. > -PRISCILLA PENTECOST, aunt of prisoner, said prisoner's father and > prisoner lived with her. On the afternoon of the 24th of May, she > gave prisoner half a crown and told her what to do with it; she had > also a penny to buy lace; did not give her six shillings and > sixpence, or say any thing about a fortune-teller. > -The CHAIRMAN, in summing up, said the evidence was certainly of a > meager description, as affecting the prisoner. The young woman who > saw her go in by the side of her mother did not know that she did > anything. The object of Mrs. Bassett's evidence being introduced > into the case was to show that the two sums lost by the parties > would amount to the sum found on the prisoner; it appeared, however, > that half a crown had been given to her by Priscilla Pentecost. He > thought it was a case in which the jury might fairly entertain > considerable doubts, and if so, the prisoner was entitled to the > benefit of these doubts. Verdict, Not Guilty. The Chairman cautioned > the prisoner, telling her to let > this be a warning to her; she was very young and had a narrow escape. > > The Court then rose. > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Thanks to all for the suggestions I think that Elsie - Mrs Herbert PHELPS is living in The Manse in Roskear. Several pieces of information point the way ... The 1911 Boarding school was a Methodist foundation. In the 1901 census RG13/2194 Folio 29 Page 1. Elsie Pearce then age 6 is living at home - Trelaske, Pelynt (Liskeard RD) and in the household is Lucy JAMES (Visitor, single, female, age 34, born Rise, Yorkshire, Evangelist (Pentecostal League), And I've found a report about the " Cornwall Industrial Settlements Initiative TUCKINGMILL AND ROSKEAR " the website http://www.historic-cornwall.org.uk/ Where it states "The villas on the main road to Camborne had been built and occupied by people from Tuckingmill rather than Camborne (for instance the manse for Tuckingmill Methodist Chapel was here), although eventually they met with the spread of housing moving eastwards out of Camborne." So how can I check this? Robin -- Robin & Margaret McEwen-King, Middletown Farm, Nemphlar, Scotland Fun lamb videos for our grand children and friends at http://www.scottishwool.com/

On 25/05/2010 16:34, "judy olsen" <copywriter@tesco.net> wrote: > > Is there anywhere you can post a picture of the typing - on twitpic > for instance? I've sent a .tiff to your own mailbox If anyone else can have a try I'll send a copy individually. Robin

G'Day Liz, A search for "William Rowe Hocking" suggests that he died in Akron, Ohio in 1914. Good luck. David.

QUARTER SESSIONS, 4 JULY 1851 - part 2 ........... HOUSEBREAKING - JAMES GILBERT, 25, was indicted for breaking and entering the dwelling house of William ROBINS, of Kenwyn, and stealing a silver watch, his property. Mr. J. B. COLLINS conducted the prosecution, and Mr. STOKES defended the prisoner. [some testimony 'clipped'] -ANN ROBINS, wife of prosecutor, testified on the morning of the 29th of November last, she left home about half-past eight; her mother ELIZABETH CLEMO and her little boy remained in the house. Before leaving, she saw the watch in her bed-room, and all the windows and doors were locked. When she returned about seven in the evening, she noticed the parlour window was broken; went through house to see if anything was missing, and saw watch was gone. The next day, she went to Truro to ask about the watch, and went to the house of MR. SKYRME, in Kenwyn-street; there saw HENRY ROSSITER and mentioned the loss of the watch, and described it. Mr. Rossiter produced a watch, the same as she had lost the previous day. She left the watch in Rossiter's father' shop; he is a watchmaker. Some weeks after, she received the watch from Rossiter's father, and gave it to policeman FITZSIMMONS. -ELIZABETH CLEMO, an aged woman, said she went out to escort her grandson to school; she was absent about a quarter of an hour; when she returned, found the parlour window had been put down; the window was broken, and the mark of a man's foot on the table; she also saw a screw was out. She went up stairs, but was too hurried to look about to see if anyone was there. Cross-examined: the house is some way from the public road; she thought they could make the nearest neighbour hear by calling from their house. -ANN MANUEL, lives near the house of prosecutor. On the morning of the 29th of November about nine o'clock, the prisoner was at witness's house offering writing paper, steel pens, and envelopes for sale. Cross-examined: She was sure prisoner was the man who offered the things for sale; had not seen him since, but knew him by his features, not by his dress. -HENRY ROSSITER, watchmaker at Truro, resided at Probus in November last. On the afternoon of the 29th of November, prisoner came to witness's house, and offered him paper and envelopes for sale. He took a watch from his pocket and asked what witness would charge to repair it. Witness told him the charge would be more than the value of the watch; he then asked witness to buy it, and asked six shillings for it. Witness gave him five shillings for the watch, and went next day to Mr Skyrme's shop to have a new face put in the watch; whilst there Mrs. Robins came in and mentioned her loss and described the watch correctly. He then showed her the watch, and she identified it. Prisoner, when he sold witness the watch, showed his name on the corner of his box, "GILBERT, St. Austell". -WALTER ROSSITER, watchmaker at Truro, father of last witness, said he received a watch from him in November last, which in about six weeks afterwards he gave over to Ann Robins. -JAMES FITZSIMMONS, policeman, received the watch from Ann Robins on the 19th of May; had previously apprehended the prisoner; received information of the robbery in November last; prosecutor lives about eight miles and a half from Probus. Mr. STOKES then addressed the jury for the prisoner. The Chairman then summed up, and the jury found the prisoner Guilty of breaking and entering, and stealing. A prior conviction for felony in 1850 was proved against the prisoner, who then went by the name of JAMES ROWSE. There was another indictment against the prisoner (which was not proceeded with), charging him with stealing on the 12th of May, in the parish of Kea, a purse containing two sovereigns, twelve shillings, two gold rings, and a gold pin and chain, the property of THOMAS HORNBROOK. Transported for seven years. ........... MARY JANE GEORGE, 17, who had been servant to JAMES HILL, of the parish of Mevagissey, pleaded Guilty of having stolen twelve pounds, the property of her master, from a dwelling house, on the night of the 4th of May last. Four Months' hard labour. ......... RICHARD BENNEY was charged with stealing a horse collar, the property of WILLIAM TREBILCOCK, a farmer of St. Columb Major. Mr. G. COLLINS for the prosecution, and Mr. STOKES for the prisoner. It appeared from the evidence that on Monday the 19th of May, prosecutor lent his grey mare to another farmer, Mr. JOHN SMART; and with her harness, including a new collar. On the following evening, shortly before six o'clock, farmer Smart having finished with the mare, turned her out in the lane, with the harness about her, to go home to her master's, intending to follow her, but which some circumstance prevented him from doing. A man called BALL saw the mare near Trekenning Fourturnings, and a little further on, on the Bodmin road, he met the prisoner driving a donkey cart, having nothing in his hand or in the cart. Another witness, JOHNANNA KARKEEK, afterwards saw the donkey and cart in a positon across the road, and no person with the donkey; five or six yards from the turning, she then saw Richard Benney running across the road with a collar in his hand, and afterwards she saw the mare without a collar. JANE TREBILCOCK, prosecutor's daughter, next met prisoner with his donkey-cart going towards her father's house, and he had then nothing in his hand; she afterwards saw the mare without a collar. POLICEMAN COOMB deposed to statements prisoner made to him; prisoner denied that he stole the collar. Mr. Stokes addressed the jury in behalf of the prisoner, representing that the collar seen in prisoner's possession was not proved to have been the collar that was on the mare. He also called to speak to prisoner's good character, MR. WILLIAM HAWKE, of Mawgan; but this witness was cross-examined by Mr. Collins, who asked him if he had never heard that prisoner had been convicted of stealing straw. Witness said he had never heard of it, but he had been at times absent from the neighbourhood. Verdict Guilty. Three Months' hard labour. ......... PRISCILLA MURTON, 14, was charged with stealing from the person of MARY PEARCE, two shillings and a purse with steel beads, the property of THOMAS PEARCE, of St. Enoder. Mary Pearce deposed she was at Truro, in the shop of MR. H. ANDREWS, draper, on the 24th of May. She had a purse containing two shillings in the pocket of her dress when she went in. Five minutes later, she missed her purse; saw prisoner at door when she went in. -ELIZABETH ANN PEARCE, daughter of last witness, remained in the doorway of Mr. Andrews's shop; saw prisoner go in close to her mother's side, then immediately leave. There were many persons in the shop at the same time; it was market day. -ELIZABETH BASSETT was in Mr. JOB's shop on the same afternoon, about half-past four; had four and sixpence taken from her pocket; did not know by whom. -CATHERINE BARTLETT, wife of the prison-keeper at Truro, searched prisoner when taken into custody; found in her pocket six shillings and a sixpenny piece, and one penny. Prisoner said it was her aunt's money; that there was a fortune-teller coming in, and her aunt gave the money to her to take care of it; she said the penny was given her to buy lace. JOSEPH WARD, policeman, received the money from Mrs. Bartlett. -PRISCILLA PENTECOST, aunt of prisoner, said prisoner's father and prisoner lived with her. On the afternoon of the 24th of May, she gave prisoner half a crown and told her what to do with it; she had also a penny to buy lace; did not give her six shillings and sixpence, or say any thing about a fortune-teller. -The CHAIRMAN, in summing up, said the evidence was certainly of a meager description, as affecting the prisoner. The young woman who saw her go in by the side of her mother did not know that she did anything. The object of Mrs. Bassett's evidence being introduced into the case was to show that the two sums lost by the parties would amount to the sum found on the prisoner; it appeared, however, that half a crown had been given to her by Priscilla Pentecost. He thought it was a case in which the jury might fairly entertain considerable doubts, and if so, the prisoner was entitled to the benefit of these doubts. Verdict, Not Guilty. The Chairman cautioned the prisoner, telling her to let this be a warning to her; she was very young and had a narrow escape. The Court then rose.

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER JULY 4, 1851 CORNWALL MIDSUMMER SESSIONS These sessions commenced on Tuesday last, in the Shire-hall, at Bodmin. The calendar contained the names of thirty-seven prisoners, namely, thirty felonies, three committed for misdemeanours, three for an assault, and one for a breach of the peace. The following were the magistrates present: J. K. LETHRIDGE, Esq., Chairman Sir W. L. S. TRELAWNY, Bart...............W. HEXT, Esq. Sir COLMAN RASHLEIGH, Bart................D. P. HOBLYN, Esq. J. H. TREMAYNE, Esq.......................R. G. BENNET, Esq. N. KENDALL, Esq...........................E. COODE, jun., Esq. C. B. G. SAWLE, Esq.......................H. THOMSON, Esq. E. STEPHENS, Esq..........................T. GRAHAM, Esq. F. RODD, Esq..............................Rev. Gerveys GRYLLS The following gentlemen were sworn on the Grand Jury: Mr. William Deacon DODGE, St. Austell Mr. James BRAUND, Boyton Mr. Stephen Usticke BEAUCHANT, Budock Mr. James DERRY, Egloshayle Mr. John GIDDY, Boyton Mr. William GRIGG, Jacobstow Mr. Peter H. GUTHRIDGE, Falmouth Mr. Richard Arundell HARRIS, St. Breward Mr. John HAWKE, Bodmin Mr. Robert HICKS, Jacobstow Mr. James HUSBAND, Mylor Mr. Michael LOAM, Gwennap Mr. Richard NANCE, St. Dennis Mr. Richard PARNALL, St. Ewe Mr. William PARNALL, Gorran Mr. Richard Grose POLLARD, Egloshayle Mr. John RENDLE, St. Austell Mr. Joseph ROWE, St. Gluvias Mr. William SPRAY, Jacobstow Mr. John STEPHENS, St. Ewe Mr. WILLIAM TREGILGAS, Mevagissey Mr. William VERCOE, St. Austell Mr. John WILLS, Gorran COUNTY BUSINESS LOOE BRIDGE - Mr. PEASE presented the following report; [As he had been ordered to prepare a report regarding the state of the Looe bridge, he had conducted an extensive examination.] "The general appearance of the bridge is that of weakness and insecurity; in fact the impression upon the mind of a stranger on first seeing the bridge, and perceiving the numerous fissures in the piers and cutwaters, some of them extending nearly from the parapet to the base of the piers, whilst the piers and cutwaters have in some places bilged out so as to project several inches beyond the perpendicular, would be, that it must soon tumble down. ... The most defective pier is that between the second and third arches from the western end; there is in it a fissure extending through more than two-thirds of the whole width; and on the eastern side it is supported by two pieces of wood which were placed there thirty years ago. The piers between the third and fourth, eighth and ninth, and the ninth and tenth arches also appear to be feeble, and their appearance would give me some uneasiness but for having seen that an apparently much weaker pier has stood for thirty years with the aid only to two small props. It is impossible to say what is the real state of the interior of the piers. It may be even worse than the appearance of the exterior might lead one to expect, as was the case with the wood-work of the eastern opening, where the external appearance gave no adequate idea of the almost perfect rottenness beneath the surface; it was not until the wood-work was being removed that the danger to which the public had been exposed in passing over it became apparent; one of the girders actually broke into three parts on being removed, and scarcely an inch of the oat plank which rested on the girders was sound. The eleventh and twelfth arches, which were rebuilt about sixty years ago, are sound and good. ..There can be no doubt that a new bridge would be very desirable. Mr. Pease then said that in consequence of none of the old wood from the eastern opening being fit to assist in the repairs of the western opening, it is possible that the cost of the repairs will amount to about GBP 20 more than the sum voted at the last sessions. Mr. Pease also reported that he should require two levies at these sessions. -The Rev. R. BULLER said that he had given notice that he should apply at these sessions for GBP 2,500 for the purpose of rebuilding Looe bridge [based on the plan, which had been approved by the county,being accepted by the Admiralty. He found, however, that the Mayor of Looe, who was a captain in the Navy, was so strongly against the plan in question, that there was very little chance of getting the Admiralty to consent to its adoption. The Mayor had an idea that by building the bridge above the present site, there might be war steamers at Looe, with other advantages. He had written the Admiralty; it would cost GBP 4,500 to build the bridge where required by the Admiralty. He did not intend now to ask for any sum, and begged to withdraw his intended application.] On the motion of the Rev. R. BULLER, seconded by Sir COLMAN RASHLEIGH, it was then resolved that in addition to the GBP 80 granted at the last sessions, the further sum of GBP 20 should be granted for the repairs of Looe Bridge. TRIALS OF THE PRISONERS -JOHN HARRIS, 23, pleaded Guilty of stealing, at Truro, on the 14th of June, a fustian waistcoat and a shoe, the property of THOMAS WILLOUGHBY. Two Months' hard labour. ......... -JOHN RUNDLE pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the night of Friday, the 9th of May last, at Newquay, two cwt. of coals, the property of HENRY MEREDITH. One Month's hard labour. ......... -ANN VIGUS, 28, was charged with stealing, on the 20th of March, at Torpoint, a kettle, towel, cap, blue dish, and other articles, the property of EDWARD HAWTON BROCK. MR. GILBERT HAMLEY, for the prosecution, called Mr. Brock, a draper, tailor, and lodging house keeper, at Torpoint, who stated that about the 25th of March last, several articles were missed from his house, and that from information received, he went on the 3rd of June to the house of prisoner in Torpoint, where he found several articles of his property. He went for a constable called PATTISON, and on his arrival, prisoner said "I hope you will look over it, and will not punish me." AMELIA BROCK and Constable Pattison were also examined, and the jury found the prisoner Guilty. Four Months' hard labour. ........... -PHILIP MORRISH, 32, was charged with stealing, at Newquay , two horse cloths, the property of STEPHEN DREW DARKE. Mr. G. COLLINS appeared for the prosecution. Mr. Darke lives at Newquay, and has a stable there. On the evening of Monday the 14th of April, about seven o'clock, he saw the horse cloths in his stable. On the following day he went to Truro, and on his return, the weather being severe, he ordered the horse cloths to be placed on his mare, but they could not be found. On the next day, in consequence of suspicion, having heard that prisoner had slept at the house of his brother-in-law, prosecutor went there with SLEEMAN, a constable, and in the garret where prisoner had slept, the horse-cloths were found. MRS. FANNY THOMAS, sister of prisoner, at whose house prisoner slept on the night of the 14th of April, stated that he came in carrying a small parcel about nine o'clock that night, and said it contained some of his bedding; he took the parcel up into the garret where he slept. Prisoner's statement before the committing magistrate, Mr. BENNET, was then put in; it was to the effect that he found the parcel when walking in a field towards Newquay; he also said prosecutor owed him a grudge. Guilty. Four Months' hard labour. END of PART ONE Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

I find that the calendar calculator on the Legacy programme is very good. However, it only goes back as far as 1700. But, it's still good. John.

I do suspect Liz, that you have checked out the two main publications about Cornish migration to South Africa and have found, like I have, that here is obvious no reference to a William Rowe Hocking in those books. I thought I might give the publication details so that you can, if you have not already done so, put a negative tick amongst your research notes. 1) Cornish Migrants to South Africa. (The Cousin Jack's Contribution to the Developement of Mining and Commerce 1820 - 1920). By G. B. Dickinson. Published a.A. Balkema, Cape Town, 1978. (This book has a massive list of Cornish Migrants to S.A. including some 13 who have the surname of Hocking). 2) Cornish Pioneers in South Africa. By Richard D. Dawe. Published by Cornish Hillside Publications, Truro, 1998. Perhaps, despite being from an academic viewpoint, the definitive study. I know what the dark side of human nature is when you referred to "You know what these men were like - they often changed their names, moved on to other countries, etc." So much so that in the early twentieth century a government Dept. was set up in South Africa to deal with this problem of errant husbands/fathers and, I think, there was a Police station in south Australia which specialised in searching for "runners". Sadly, there was the other side of the coin. In Cornwall children appeared that could not have been the husbands, wives moved into other households, unjustified debts were accumulated in the absence of husbands and so on. The remmittances sent home gained by horrific work in high mortality regions may have been fritted away. The disappeared husband may have died a ghastly and lonely death whilst desperately trying to provide for his family back home. Lack of a formal record of the event does not always mean the guy was a rat. I'm full of admiration for those chaps who accepted a contract in diifficult climes (e.g. Cuba), maybe leaving behind a young wife and little children and, through evidence of the ten yearly census, may have been absent several decades (perhaps with the rare visit home) and then resuming family life in a much improved economic situation for his wife and having provided the means for his children to gain an education out of poverty. Mike, (in a chauvinistic mood), Redruth.

I am a very Cornish Baptist Minister and I live in a Manse. Tom Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" <copywriter@tesco.net> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Herbert Phelps 1939 Camborne? >A manse is of course the residence of a Scottish minister. Do they > use the same term in Cornwall? On the other hand he would prob be the > Rev not Mr. > > Is there anywhere you can post a picture of the typing - on twitpic > for instance? > > > Judy > > > > > > On 25 May 2010, at 16:30, robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > >> >> Can anyone suggest where we can find .... The Manse Ros??? Possibly >> Camborne >> >> Louisa Tuer GALTRESS (nee PENGELLY) left a small legacy to 'niece >> Elsie .. >> Mrs Herbert PHELPS' at an address which is faint typing and we can >> only be >> sure of the above part. >> >> >> Lousia T lived in Wandsworth but came from Looe and there are >> several links >> with Cornwall. >> >> We think that Elsie was Elsie PEARCE (b 1895 Pelynt) daughter of >> Richard >> Geach PEARCE and Eliza Pengelly ( a sister of Louisa) >> >> >> Any suggestion on using Cornwall sources most welcome. >> >> >> BTW Elsie was at Edge Hill College in Bideford in 1911 >> >> >> TIA >> >> Robin >> >> (One name study of GALTRESS and particularly interested in this >> branch as >> they are close relatives) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2895 - Release Date: 05/25/10 07:26:00

"The Manse" is/was frequently used as the residence of a Methodist Minister and Cornwall certainly used to be a hot bed Methodism including the Bible Christians. A copy of Kelly's street directory might be good place to start Regards Richard Scantlebury -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of judy olsen Sent: 25 May 2010 16:35 To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Herbert Phelps 1939 Camborne? A manse is of course the residence of a Scottish minister. Do they use the same term in Cornwall? On the other hand he would prob be the Rev not Mr. Is there anywhere you can post a picture of the typing - on twitpic for instance? Judy On 25 May 2010, at 16:30, robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > > Can anyone suggest where we can find .... The Manse Ros??? Possibly > Camborne > > Louisa Tuer GALTRESS (nee PENGELLY) left a small legacy to 'niece > Elsie .. > Mrs Herbert PHELPS' at an address which is faint typing and we can > only be > sure of the above part. > > > Lousia T lived in Wandsworth but came from Looe and there are > several links > with Cornwall. > > We think that Elsie was Elsie PEARCE (b 1895 Pelynt) daughter of > Richard > Geach PEARCE and Eliza Pengelly ( a sister of Louisa) > > > Any suggestion on using Cornwall sources most welcome. > > > BTW Elsie was at Edge Hill College in Bideford in 1911 > > > TIA > > Robin > > (One name study of GALTRESS and particularly interested in this > branch as > they are close relatives) > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From FreeBMD Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)Dawe Florence M Leese Liskeard 5c128 Leese Cyril E Dawe Liskeard 5c128 Pearce Elsie Phelps Liskeard 5c128 Phelps Herbert Pearce Liskeard 5c128 j On 25 May 2010, at 16:30, robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > > Can anyone suggest where we can find .... The Manse Ros??? Possibly > Camborne > > Louisa Tuer GALTRESS (nee PENGELLY) left a small legacy to 'niece > Elsie .. > Mrs Herbert PHELPS' at an address which is faint typing and we can > only be > sure of the above part. > > > Lousia T lived in Wandsworth but came from Looe and there are > several links > with Cornwall. > > We think that Elsie was Elsie PEARCE (b 1895 Pelynt) daughter of > Richard > Geach PEARCE and Eliza Pengelly ( a sister of Louisa) > > > Any suggestion on using Cornwall sources most welcome. > > > BTW Elsie was at Edge Hill College in Bideford in 1911 > > > TIA > > Robin > > (One name study of GALTRESS and particularly interested in this > branch as > they are close relatives) > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

A manse is of course the residence of a Scottish minister. Do they use the same term in Cornwall? On the other hand he would prob be the Rev not Mr. Is there anywhere you can post a picture of the typing - on twitpic for instance? Judy On 25 May 2010, at 16:30, robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > > Can anyone suggest where we can find .... The Manse Ros??? Possibly > Camborne > > Louisa Tuer GALTRESS (nee PENGELLY) left a small legacy to 'niece > Elsie .. > Mrs Herbert PHELPS' at an address which is faint typing and we can > only be > sure of the above part. > > > Lousia T lived in Wandsworth but came from Looe and there are > several links > with Cornwall. > > We think that Elsie was Elsie PEARCE (b 1895 Pelynt) daughter of > Richard > Geach PEARCE and Eliza Pengelly ( a sister of Louisa) > > > Any suggestion on using Cornwall sources most welcome. > > > BTW Elsie was at Edge Hill College in Bideford in 1911 > > > TIA > > Robin > > (One name study of GALTRESS and particularly interested in this > branch as > they are close relatives) > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message