I've looked at deaths on FreeBMD, but again nothing that matches that I can find, and they finish at 1983. I'm wondering if there is any way to confirm the monumental inscription dates and names? Does anyone know of images of the gravestones from the cemetery that might be online? Or (long shot) would anyone possibly live in the area and be able to check the headstone? Any ideas are welcome. As I'm in Australia, I'm limited to working online. Kind regards, Rowena ............................................................................ ............ The Cornwall Family History Society have been photographing gravestones for some time now, so you might want to use their enquiry service to check if they have covered these cemeteries - use CONTACT US. Their database and photographs will be on-line very soon, I believe, BUT only to members. If you are a member, see under 'Members area' on their website: www.cornwallfhs.com. See: http://www.cornwallfhs.com/index.php?page=library for resources. Ian Argall Cornwall Maintainer Genealogy UK and Ireland (GENUKI) http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/index.html ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15450) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15460) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Hi all, Can anyone point me in the right direction to find naval records before 1822 This is the query from a friend who knew nothing of him having joined the navy until finding his obit. The Royal Cornwall Gazette (Truro), Monday, 31 October 1867 - GRAMPOUND - DEATH OF A CORNISHMAN IN VICTORIA - A correspondent of the Sentinel writing from Mortlake, Victoria, gives the following remarks respecting the death of Mr Richard Blewett, formerly of Creed, Grampound, who was for some time gardener to the late Mr Daubuz, of Killow. -"I have to record the death on Tuesday, the 23rd July, of Mr Richard Blewett, aged 81 years, one of the most esteemed and early inhabitants of his thriving little township. He was a man of Christian piety, and imbued with an unremitting zeal for religion, having succeeded with others in the erection here of a church of England, a neat and substantial building, which will be a lasting memento to his memory. On Thursday, 25th July, a large and most respectable portion of the inhabitants assembled at his late residence to pay their last tribute of respect to the departed. On their way to the church the bell tolled at intervals, which added much to the solemnity of the occasion : on arriving at the church the Rev. J.M. Donaldson, after performing the usual preliminary office, delivered a most impressive and solemn address to his hearers. On leaving the church the sad cortege proceeded slowly to the cemetery, where Mr Donaldson read with great effect that beautiful burial service of the church : on lowering the corpse to its final resting place one of your townsmen, Mr S.R. Harris, planted an English oak at the head of the grave and remarked that it was to the memory of a most valued friend and shipmate, and one who had spent over twenty years of his life on the ocean to defend the rights and uphold the honour of his country. May such remarks of respect be always shown to all true veterans. Cheers Julie

Many thanks to Chris, for her reply. As there is a corresponding birth for Matilda Shugg Thomas in 1899, Penzance RD, it looks like there are 2 families with 2 sets of three daughters named identically, approx 20 years apart. Highly likely that the 2nd set of girls were named after favourite aunts, and so more investigation needed to unravel. Meanwhile, I still think that the monumental inscription may be wrongly listed under Shugg, as Thomas was their surname, Shugg being a middle name. Cheers, Rowena -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Uphill Sent: Sunday, 18 July 2010 12:32 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Monumental Inscription Problem - Lelant, Carbis Bay Hi Rowena The England & Wales Death Index 1916-2005 shows: Matilda Shugg THOMAS, died Feb 1996, Penzance District, age 96 Elizabeth Jane THOMAS, born 21 April 1897, died 1983, Penzance District I wasn't able to locate an entry for Grace. It's worthwhile remembering that the transcriptions are from gravestones and not burial records so they are open to interpretation. Grace might have died elsewhere, for example, but have either been buried with her sisters or commemorated on their gravestone. Looks like these are not the same girls as those you mention. Hope this helps. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough Sent: Friday, 16 July 2010 6:53 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Monumental Inscription Problem - Lelant, Carbis Bay Dear Folks, Really confused and having trouble with Shugg or Thomas monumental inscriptions from the Lelant - Longstones Cemetery, Carbis Bay. From the West Penwith site: http://west-penwith.org.uk/longmi1.htm The preceding note on the website said: This is an index done by one person and will, inevitably contain errors, particularly as, in this case, the transcript was done with a voice recording and spelling errors will have occurred. Monumental Inscription below: Shugg - Elizabeth Jane Thomas 18/3/1983 aged 85; Grace Thomas, her sister, 23/10/1986 aged 84; her sister, Matilda Shugg 5/2/1996 aged 96 I don't believe these dates can be correct below. I wondered if there is a way to check these inscriptions? The names seem to be too close a match to the family below to be a coincidence. They appear to have mixed up the surname's Shugg and Thomas as well as dates. These women were the daughters of the couple below: Elizabeth Jane Shugg born 4 May 1851 St Ives, married Francis Thomas, mariner, born Apr-Jun 1851, St Ives, Cornwall, between Jul - Sept 1871, Penzance Reg Dist. Children of Elizabeth Jane Shugg and Francis Thomas: 1. Francis Thomas Shugg, born 29 Jan 1870, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives (born before his parents married and registered under mother's maiden name) 2. Elizabeth Jane Thomas born 16 May 1873, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives. 3. Grace Shugg Thomas born 22 Nov 1878, bapt. 1 Jan 1879, St Ives 4. Matilda Shugg Thomas born 2 Mar 1882, and bapt. 10 May 1882, St Ives. She married Humphrey Green (b. 1877, St Ives) in 1907, St Ives, and they emigrated to Michigan, USA. 5. Hannibal Thomas born Apr-Jun 1885, St Ives, Cornwall 6. Margaret Thomas born Oct-Dec 1890, St Ives, Cornwall So, you can see from the birth dates of the girls above that the ages of the monumental inscriptions don't match up. Elizabeth Jane would be 110, Grace 108, and Matilda 114. I've looked at deaths on FreeBMD, but again nothing that matches that I can find, and they finish at 1983. I'm wondering if there is any way to confirm the monumental inscription dates and names? Does anyone know of images of the gravestones from the cemetery that might be online? Or (long shot) would anyone possibly live in the area and be able to check the headstone? Any ideas are welcome. As I'm in Australia, I'm limited to working online. Kind regards, Rowena ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the information leaflet on the National Archives site: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/ratingroyalnavybefore1853.htm?WT.lp=rg-3168 ________________________________ From: Julie Wheeler <jngwheeler@bigpond.com> To: cornish@rootsweb.com; cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 19 July, 2010 8:34:37 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Help - Naval records pre 1822 Hi all, Can anyone point me in the right direction to find naval records before 1822 This is the query from a friend who knew nothing of him having joined the navy until finding his obit. The Royal Cornwall Gazette (Truro), Monday, 31 October 1867 - GRAMPOUND - DEATH OF A CORNISHMAN IN VICTORIA - A correspondent of the Sentinel writing from Mortlake, Victoria, gives the following remarks respecting the death of Mr Richard Blewett, formerly of Creed, Grampound, who was for some time gardener to the late Mr Daubuz, of Killow.  -"I have to record the death on Tuesday, the 23rd July, of Mr Richard Blewett, aged 81 years, one of the most esteemed and early inhabitants of his thriving little township.  He was a man of Christian piety, and imbued with an unremitting zeal for religion, having succeeded with others in the erection here of a church of England, a neat and substantial building, which will be a lasting memento to his memory.  On Thursday, 25th July, a large and most respectable portion of the inhabitants assembled at his late residence to pay their last tribute of respect to the departed.  On their way to the church the bell tolled at intervals, which added much to the solemnity of the occasion : on arriving at the church the Rev. J.M. Donaldson, after performing the usual preliminary office, delivered a most impressive and solemn address to his hearers.  On leaving the church the sad cortege proceeded slowly to the cemetery, where Mr Donaldson read with great effect that beautiful burial service of the church : on lowering the corpse to its final resting place one of your townsmen, Mr S.R. Harris, planted an English oak at the head of the grave and remarked that it was to the memory of a most valued friend and shipmate, and one who had spent over twenty years of his life on the ocean to defend the rights and uphold the honour of his country.  May such remarks of respect be always shown to all true veterans. Cheers Julie ------------------------------- Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doesn't the reading of these deaths (the children in particular) make your heart bleed? What a tragedy - Mr Hugh Eddy Stephens (AND HIS WIFE) lost 4 children in a few weeks which could have been their whole family. > Deaths > At Chycoose, in the parish of Feock, on the 23rd ult., of scarlet fever, Hugh Eddy, > aged 3 years; on the 2nd instant, Mary Ann, aged 8 years; on Monday last, > Richard, aged 11/2 years; and on the 11th instant, Charles, aged 6 years, > children > of Mr. Hugh Eddy STEPHENS, jun. Marg A in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <jwmos99@msn.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton, 12 Sept 1851 BMDs > West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser- transcribed by Bern Currie > 12th September 1851

Thanks for posting this site on the list. It really a great one & will keep checking for new updates. Cheers, Jules. Warren, NSW (but always a Queensland 'Bundy' girl). juliedern@westnet.com.au http://derngenealogy.tribalpages.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Rowena The England & Wales Death Index 1916-2005 shows: Matilda Shugg THOMAS, died Feb 1996, Penzance District, age 96 Elizabeth Jane THOMAS, born 21 April 1897, died 1983, Penzance District I wasn't able to locate an entry for Grace. It's worthwhile remembering that the transcriptions are from gravestones and not burial records so they are open to interpretation. Grace might have died elsewhere, for example, but have either been buried with her sisters or commemorated on their gravestone. Looks like these are not the same girls as those you mention. Hope this helps. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough Sent: Friday, 16 July 2010 6:53 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Monumental Inscription Problem - Lelant, Carbis Bay Dear Folks, Really confused and having trouble with Shugg or Thomas monumental inscriptions from the Lelant - Longstones Cemetery, Carbis Bay. From the West Penwith site: http://west-penwith.org.uk/longmi1.htm The preceding note on the website said: This is an index done by one person and will, inevitably contain errors, particularly as, in this case, the transcript was done with a voice recording and spelling errors will have occurred. Monumental Inscription below: Shugg - Elizabeth Jane Thomas 18/3/1983 aged 85; Grace Thomas, her sister, 23/10/1986 aged 84; her sister, Matilda Shugg 5/2/1996 aged 96 I don't believe these dates can be correct below. I wondered if there is a way to check these inscriptions? The names seem to be too close a match to the family below to be a coincidence. They appear to have mixed up the surname's Shugg and Thomas as well as dates. These women were the daughters of the couple below: Elizabeth Jane Shugg born 4 May 1851 St Ives, married Francis Thomas, mariner, born Apr-Jun 1851, St Ives, Cornwall, between Jul - Sept 1871, Penzance Reg Dist. Children of Elizabeth Jane Shugg and Francis Thomas: 1. Francis Thomas Shugg, born 29 Jan 1870, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives (born before his parents married and registered under mother's maiden name) 2. Elizabeth Jane Thomas born 16 May 1873, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives. 3. Grace Shugg Thomas born 22 Nov 1878, bapt. 1 Jan 1879, St Ives 4. Matilda Shugg Thomas born 2 Mar 1882, and bapt. 10 May 1882, St Ives. She married Humphrey Green (b. 1877, St Ives) in 1907, St Ives, and they emigrated to Michigan, USA. 5. Hannibal Thomas born Apr-Jun 1885, St Ives, Cornwall 6. Margaret Thomas born Oct-Dec 1890, St Ives, Cornwall So, you can see from the birth dates of the girls above that the ages of the monumental inscriptions don't match up. Elizabeth Jane would be 110, Grace 108, and Matilda 114. I've looked at deaths on FreeBMD, but again nothing that matches that I can find, and they finish at 1983. I'm wondering if there is any way to confirm the monumental inscription dates and names? Does anyone know of images of the gravestones from the cemetery that might be online? Or (long shot) would anyone possibly live in the area and be able to check the headstone? Any ideas are welcome. As I'm in Australia, I'm limited to working online. Kind regards, Rowena ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a request following on from this post, and at a time when I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular by responding now: When people post a useful website, could you please not just put "useful website" and the URL? Firstly, because without some idea of what the website contains, none of us knows whether it would be any use to us personally. Secondly - and far more importantly - without any keywords as to what the site's about, it won't be picked up in later searches of the archives. Thanks Joy - between the subject header and the info you gave in the body of the message, yours is good. Clare Joy Langdon wrote: > I stumbled on this website by accident. It is a great website and the website > owner intends to lodge the images at the appropriate record offices so the > information will be preserved whatever happens to the gravestones (and I am sure > we are all aware of how much has already been lost). There are only a few sites > indexed in Cornwall at the moment but hopefully we will be inspired to add to > the data, wherever we are based. Thanks to whoever has already started work in > Cornwall if they subscribe to the list. > > http://www.gravestonephotos.com/index.php > > Joy > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser- transcribed by Bern Currie 12th September 1851 Births At Truro, on the 31st ult., the wife of Mr. THOMAS, carver and gilder, of a son. At Truro, on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. WELLINGTON, currier, of a son. At the half-way-house, between Helston and Falmouth, on the 29th ult., the wife of Mr. SYMONS, innkeeper, of a son. At Penzance, last week, the wife of Mr. S. COOK, tailor, of a son. At Gulval, on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. John ROBERTS, of a son. At St. Agnes, on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. William FERRIS, rope-maker, of a son. At Newquay, on Sunday last, the wife of Mr. John HOUSE, of a son. At Charlestown, on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. Robert NANCOLLIS, moulder, of a daughter. At Roche, on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. William STEPHENS, of a son. At Callington, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. WEST, excise officer, of a daughter. At the terrace, Camberwell, on Sunday last, the wife of Mr. William HOOTON, of a son. At Birkenhead, Liverpool, on the 26th ult., the wife of Mr. Peter COLLIVER, of a son. Marriages At St. Mary's Wesleyan Chapel, Truro, on Sunday last, Mr. Francis TRESTRAIL, of Perranwell, to Miss Elizabeth Trounce GRANVILLE, of Ferris Town. Truro. At Madron, on Saturday last, Mr. Charles THOMAS to Miss Catherine ALLEN, both of Penzance; and on Sunday, Mr. John BUCK, to Miss Isabella CORKELL, of Penzance. At St. Hilary, on Saturday last, Mr. William PEARCE, mason, of Marazion, to Miss Hannah JAGO, of St. Michael's Mount. At Treslothan, on the 28th ult., Mr. John ROWE, builder, of Camborne, to Miss Jane ROW, of Perranarworthal. At Bodmin, on the 23rd ult., Mr. TOLMAN, of the National School, to Miss NICHOLLS, both of that place. At Gwennap, on the 2nd instant, the Rev. Joseph SPENCER, Wesleyan Minister, to Harriet, eldest daughter of Mr. Francis BLAMEY, of Crofthandy. At Launceston, on the 4th instant, Thomas COULSSON, Esq., of Penzance, to Sarah, eldest daughter of the late Rev. George MOORE, Prebendary of Lincoln, and Rector of Ladock, in this county.. At the Wesleyan Chapel, Launceston, on Tuesday last, Mr. PETHYBRIDGE, of the East Cornwall Bank, to Miss DINGLEY, only daughter of R. DINGLEY, Esq,. At Charles Church, Plymouth, on Wednesday last, by the Rev. Charles GRYLLS, of Lanhydrock, the Rev. T. Cave CHILDS, Incumbent of St. Mary's, Devonport, to Charlotte Champion, forth daughter of the late Rev. Thomas GRYLLS, Rector of Cardynham, in this county. At Salcombe Regis, on the 3rd instant, the Rev. T. KEBLE, Fellow of Magdalene College, Oxford, to Cornelia Sarah, forth daughter of the late Rev. George James CORNISH, Prebendary of Exeter, and Vicar of Kenwyn and Kea, in this county. At Exminster, on the 4th instant, Ralph Ludlow LOPES Esq., of the Inner Temple, barrister-at-law, second son of Sir Ralph LOPES, Bart., of Maristow, M.P. for the southern division of the county of Devon, to Elizabeth, third daughter of Samuel Trehawke KEKEWICH, Esq., of Peamore, in the same county. At Christ Church, London, Henry Singleton HOOPER , Esq., R.N. to Anne Sophia, eldest daughter of the late Mr. STEPHENS, of Lavalsa, near St. Austell. At St. Mary's, Lambeth, on Tuesday last, William BURNSIDE, Esq., of Howley- place, and Upper Thames-street, to Emma, third daughter of William KNIGHT, Esq., of Lambeth. At Quebec, on the 23rd of July last, Mr. John RICKARD, of Boscastle, to Eliza, youngest daughter of the late Mr. John BICKELL, of Quebec. Deaths At Chycoose, in the parish of Feock, on the 23rd ult., of scarlet fever, Hugh Eddy, aged 3 years; on the 2nd instant, Mary Ann, aged 8 years; on Monday last, Richard, aged 11/2 years; and on the 11th instant, Charles, aged 6 years, children of Mr. Hugh Eddy STEPHENS, jun. At Penryn, on Tuesday last, Mrs. TREGONING, aged 74 years. At St. Mary's, Scilly, on the 1st instant, Mr. Israel ODGER, aged 72 years. At Penzance, on the 30th ult., Mr. John DAW, aged 38 years; and o the 3rd instant, the infant daughter of Mr, Edward LAVIN, stationer; on Friday last, Mr. John WEBBER, aged 70 years; and on Monday, Miss Elizabeth TONKIN, aged 23 years. At Madron Cottage, on Monday last, Basil Hamilton, infant son of the late John MICHELL, Esq., solicitor, of Ilfracombe. At Newlyn east, last week, Mr. William TRENNERY, aged 86 years; and on the 4th instant, Jane, daughter of Mr. Richard GLANVILLE, aged 4 years. At St. Columb Minor, on the 2nd instant, Mr. Joseph TREBILCOCK, aged 74 years; and Mrs. ROUSE, aged 54 years. At Penhale, in the parish of St. Stephens in Branwell, on the 3rd instant, Elizabeth, wife of Mr. James STUTHRIDGE, aged 72 years. At Veryan, on Sunday last, the wife of Mr. J. BOLITHO; and on Monday, the daughter of Mr. Joseph DAVIES. At St, Austell, on the 4th instant, Phillipa, relict of the late Mr. John BREWER, of Padstow, aged 90 years; and on Friday last, Bessey Bennett, infant daughter of Mr, John GAVED, jun. At St. Blazey, on Tuesday last, the infant daughter of Rev. Cuthbert Edgcombe HOSKEN. At Tregullon, in the parish of Lanivet, on the 3rd instant, the infant daughter of Mr. Robert THOMAS. At Lostwithiel, on Monday last, Miss Alice ROWE, aged 87 years; and the infant son of Mr. BROAD, watchmaker. At Stokeclimsland, on Sunday last, John Hart BRIMACOMBE, Esq., for many years steward to Sir W.P. CALL, Bart., of Whiteford. At Liskeard, on Tuesday last, Mr. John MOON, aged 48 years. At St. Ive, on the 28th ult., the Rev. Edward ALLEN, Wesleyan Association Minister. At Crafthole, in the parish of Sheviock, on the 31st ult., Mr. Henry DAVEY, aged 77 years. At Blandford, on the 15th ult.,, Augusta Dene, youngest daughter of H.W. JOHNS, Esq., aged 22 years. In London, on the 30th ult., Maria Langdon, daughter of Mr. Isaac BUDGE, late of Redruth, in this county, aged 28 years. At Walthamstow, on the 21st ult., Henry A, GWATKIN, Esq., aged 52 years. At West Henrietta, near Rochester, in the State of New York, U.S., on the 29th of July last, Mr. John SERPELL, a native of this county, aged 70 years. At Iowa, North America, on the 18th of July last, Mr. Joseph PENBERTHY, formerly of Ludgvan, in this county, aged 26 years. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Is there anybody researching the above. This is the one married to Ann THOMAS. Children that I know of are. John born 1816 Mary born 1818 Elizabeth born 1822 Pascoe born 1825 Elizabeth is the connection. She married a James HOSKEN (MARTINS) (another "problem" person) but I think I have him sorted as illegitimate. There is another Pascoe RICHARDS in Paul married to a Grace GREEN (Widow) They also have a daughter Elizabeth but I am reasonably sure that the 1822 girl is the family I am researching. The usual problem - both Pascoe RICHARDS possibly born around the same time so it is establishing the parentage of either of them. I have parish and Census details so am just looking for anyone who has tied to either of these families. Many thanks. Diane Kerrier-St Keverne,Manaccan,St Anthony Meneage Penwith-Perranuthnoe,Zennor http://cornwall-opc.org/ http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/

Hi Listers Just wondering if there is someone out there who might be able to help me please, or might have a "Willey" line in their tree about the Mawgan-in-Meneage area. I have a John Willey who married by Licence to a Joan Mayne on the 5th June 1802 at Mawgan-in-Meneage, and the entry says that at the time of the marriage he was a Widower. I have spent the day searching about the area records that I can find, and cannot seem to locate a John who has lost a wife pre 1802 that would be the candidate I am after .Anyone know where he is hiding? Thankyou Margaret . ******************** Margaret Bauer Qld, Australia bauerm@tpg.com.au ********************

I stumbled on this website by accident.  It is a great website and the website owner intends to lodge the images at the appropriate record offices so the information will be preserved whatever happens to the gravestones (and I am sure we are all aware of how much has already been lost).  There are only a few sites indexed in Cornwall at the moment but hopefully we will be inspired to add to the data, wherever we are based.  Thanks to whoever has already started work in Cornwall if they subscribe to the list. http://www.gravestonephotos.com/index.php Joy

This is definitely Mary the wife of John WILLEY. It is a very,very poor copy but with a bit of playing around I can confirm the above. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] John Willey Just a thought Margaret - there is a burial of a Mary, wife of John WITHEY 26 Nov 1797 at Mawgan in Meneage. The transcriber has noted that the "Register page is very difficult to read as very faded" and I am wondering if it is a mistranscription of WILLEY? I couldn't see any other entries for Withey (not that I looked very hard). http://www.westcountrygenealogy.com/cornwall/mawgan/ There is a burial of a John WILLEYof Bersnoon aged 74 at Mawgan in Meneage 12 Jun 1820. There is a marriage of John WILLEY, sojourner, to Mary JENNINGS both of this parish at Mawgan in Meneage 17 Apr 1769. If the John WILLEY aged 74 is the one who married Mary in 1769, he would have been 23 then and 56 in 1802. There is a burial of Joan WITHEY of Treak in Cury, aged 70 at Mawgan in Meneage 23 Jan 1830. She would have been 42 in 1802. It might be worth getting a copy of the original page for the Mary WITHEY burial from Cornwall Record Office to see if it might be WLLEY or is definitely WITHEY. Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: Margaret Bauer <bauerm@tpg.com.au> To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 17 July, 2010 9:56:47 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] John Willey Hi Listers Just wondering if there is someone out there who might be able to help me please, or might have a "Willey" line in their tree about the Mawgan-in-Meneage area. I have a John Willey who married by Licence to a Joan Mayne on the 5th June 1802 at Mawgan-in-Meneage, and the entry says that at the time of the marriage he was a Widower. I have spent the day searching about the area records that I can find, and cannot seem to locate a John who has lost a wife pre 1802 that would be the candidate I am after .Anyone know where he is hiding? Thankyou Margaret . ******************** Margaret Bauer Qld, Australia bauerm@tpg.com.au ******************** ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We had a site listed in the Volunteer Cornish Lookup Library as follows: Monument Inscriptions Jon Ree's Web Site includes Camborne - Treswithien, Tuckingmill, Redruth - St. Euny, Redruth - Treleigh, Redruth - Trewergie, Redruth - St Day Road, Illogan Parish Church, Towednack The website (which was on Compuserve) has been removed. Jon, if you are out there (or if anyone knows his e-whereabouts) let me know if there is a new URL. Thanks! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Yvonne Bowers Listmom/Webmom CORNISH, CORNISH-GEN, CA-CORNISH http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/cornishlib/cornishlib.htm

Just a thought Margaret - there is a burial of a Mary, wife of John WITHEY 26 Nov 1797 at Mawgan in Meneage.  The transcriber has noted that the "Register page is very difficult to read as very faded" and I am wondering if it is a mistranscription of WILLEY?  I couldn't see any other entries for Withey (not that I looked very hard).   http://www.westcountrygenealogy.com/cornwall/mawgan/ There is a burial of a John WILLEYof Bersnoon aged 74 at Mawgan in Meneage 12 Jun 1820. There is a marriage of John WILLEY, sojourner, to Mary JENNINGS both of this parish at Mawgan in Meneage 17 Apr 1769.  If the John WILLEY aged 74 is the one who married Mary in 1769, he would have been 23 then and 56 in 1802. There is a burial of Joan WITHEY of Treak in Cury, aged 70 at Mawgan in Meneage 23 Jan 1830.  She would have been 42 in 1802. It might be worth getting a copy of the original page for the Mary WITHEY burial from Cornwall Record Office to see if it might be WLLEY or is definitely WITHEY. Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: Margaret Bauer <bauerm@tpg.com.au> To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 17 July, 2010 9:56:47 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] John Willey Hi Listers Just wondering if there is someone out there who might be able to help me please, or might have a "Willey"  line in their tree about the Mawgan-in-Meneage area. I have a John Willey who married by Licence to a Joan Mayne on the 5th June 1802 at Mawgan-in-Meneage, and the entry says that at the time of the marriage he was a Widower. I have spent the day searching about the area records that I can find, and cannot seem to locate a John who has lost a wife pre 1802 that would be the candidate I am after .Anyone know where he is hiding? Thankyou Margaret . ******************** Margaret Bauer Qld, Australia bauerm@tpg.com.au ******************** ------------------------------- Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you google "with nine times nine" (in quotes) you get a lot of mentions in various sources of toasts being drunk or cheers being given "with nine times nine" - the context seeming to imply "with enthusiasm". Clare Tom Hill wrote: > It might be a corruption of a Biblical principle with regard to forgiveness. > Disciples asked how many times must they forgive an offender if pardon is > sought; seven ? > Jesus replied 70 x 7, meaning as many as are needed. > It might be something like that as religious and Biblical knowledge coloured > their lives & thinking from the 1840s when Wesley began to minister. John > Wesley visited Cornwall thirty-two times between 1743 to 1787. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Relph" <peter@relph.org> > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton 19 Sept, 1851 BMDs:Toasts > > >> I trust that 'nine times nine' doesn't mean 81 toasts, does anyone know the >> significance of it? (In a Cornish-Gen context of course). Possibly an >> interminable number of 'hurrahs'? >> >> It would account for the 'feeling of goodwill' if it was toasts. >> >> Also thanks to Julia and transcribers for the information on the death of >> John Cornthwaite Bowman. >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> On the removal of the cloth, the toast of "The Queen" was drunk with nine >> times nine, the band playing the National Anthem. >> ....... The meeting was then adjourned, and everyone departed with a >> feeling of goodwill.] >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3008 - Release Date: 07/15/10 > 19:35:00 > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Folks, Really confused and having trouble with Shugg or Thomas monumental inscriptions from the Lelant - Longstones Cemetery, Carbis Bay. From the West Penwith site: http://west-penwith.org.uk/longmi1.htm The preceding note on the website said: This is an index done by one person and will, inevitably contain errors, particularly as, in this case, the transcript was done with a voice recording and spelling errors will have occurred. Monumental Inscription below: Shugg - Elizabeth Jane Thomas 18/3/1983 aged 85; Grace Thomas, her sister, 23/10/1986 aged 84; her sister, Matilda Shugg 5/2/1996 aged 96 I don't believe these dates can be correct below. I wondered if there is a way to check these inscriptions? The names seem to be too close a match to the family below to be a coincidence. They appear to have mixed up the surname's Shugg and Thomas as well as dates. These women were the daughters of the couple below: Elizabeth Jane Shugg born 4 May 1851 St Ives, married Francis Thomas, mariner, born Apr-Jun 1851, St Ives, Cornwall, between Jul - Sept 1871, Penzance Reg Dist. Children of Elizabeth Jane Shugg and Francis Thomas: 1. Francis Thomas Shugg, born 29 Jan 1870, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives (born before his parents married and registered under mother's maiden name) 2. Elizabeth Jane Thomas born 16 May 1873, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives. 3. Grace Shugg Thomas born 22 Nov 1878, bapt. 1 Jan 1879, St Ives 4. Matilda Shugg Thomas born 2 Mar 1882, and bapt. 10 May 1882, St Ives. She married Humphrey Green (b. 1877, St Ives) in 1907, St Ives, and they emigrated to Michigan, USA. 5. Hannibal Thomas born Apr-Jun 1885, St Ives, Cornwall 6. Margaret Thomas born Oct-Dec 1890, St Ives, Cornwall So, you can see from the birth dates of the girls above that the ages of the monumental inscriptions don't match up. Elizabeth Jane would be 110, Grace 108, and Matilda 114. I've looked at deaths on FreeBMD, but again nothing that matches that I can find, and they finish at 1983. I'm wondering if there is any way to confirm the monumental inscription dates and names? Does anyone know of images of the gravestones from the cemetery that might be online? Or (long shot) would anyone possibly live in the area and be able to check the headstone? Any ideas are welcome. As I'm in Australia, I'm limited to working online. Kind regards, Rowena

I trust that 'nine times nine' doesn't mean 81 toasts, does anyone know the significance of it? (In a Cornish-Gen context of course). Possibly an interminable number of 'hurrahs'? It would account for the 'feeling of goodwill' if it was toasts. Also thanks to Julia and transcribers for the information on the death of John Cornthwaite Bowman. Peter -----Original Message----- On the removal of the cloth, the toast of "The Queen" was drunk with nine times nine, the band playing the National Anthem. ....... The meeting was then adjourned, and everyone departed with a feeling of goodwill.]

It might be a corruption of a Biblical principle with regard to forgiveness. Disciples asked how many times must they forgive an offender if pardon is sought; seven ? Jesus replied 70 x 7, meaning as many as are needed. It might be something like that as religious and Biblical knowledge coloured their lives & thinking from the 1840s when Wesley began to minister. John Wesley visited Cornwall thirty-two times between 1743 to 1787. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Relph" <peter@relph.org> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton 19 Sept, 1851 BMDs:Toasts >I trust that 'nine times nine' doesn't mean 81 toasts, does anyone know the > significance of it? (In a Cornish-Gen context of course). Possibly an > interminable number of 'hurrahs'? > > It would account for the 'feeling of goodwill' if it was toasts. > > Also thanks to Julia and transcribers for the information on the death of > John Cornthwaite Bowman. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > > > On the removal of the cloth, the toast of "The Queen" was drunk with nine > times nine, the band playing the National Anthem. > ....... The meeting was then adjourned, and everyone departed with a > feeling of goodwill.] > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3008 - Release Date: 07/15/10 19:35:00

I have been reading the Google results with some fascination. As one Masonic site states, it appears to mean a clap " Then they hold the Left-hand Breast-high, and clap Nine Times with the Right". If the mood is not as festive, as some sites suggest, then they toast "three times three". Dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Pascoe" <cbpascoe@yahoo.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton 19 Sept, 1851 BMDs:Toasts > If you google "with nine times nine" (in quotes) you get a lot of > mentions in various sources of toasts being drunk or cheers being given > "with nine times nine" - the context seeming to imply "with enthusiasm". > > Clare