Thank you, ---Bob On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:10:47 +0100 Colin and Wendy Ward <ward.candor@gmail.com> writes: > Hello Bob > > The link below should take you to the announcement of death which > was > published in the Cornish Guardian on 1 July 2010. > > http://www.thisisannouncements.co.uk/6013542 > > It is usually several weeks after a funeral before an obituary is > published, > if at all. > > Colin Ward > CFHS 10787 > > On 27 July 2010 21:43, Bob Marhenke <bobmarval@juno.com> wrote: > > > To the list, > > > > Can someone tell me how to search for an obituary of my distant > Cousin > > FLORA MAY JENKIN who passed away in Camborne some where around the > last > > week in June or the first of July age 84?---Bob Marhenke > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Project Management Cert > > Villanova PMP&#174 & CAPM&#174 Classes. Average Salary For PMPs is > $100K > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c4f4509ac3827b6e8m02duc > > ------------------------------- > > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information > > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c4f4c2f9f8bf7b8abm02duc

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WEST BRITON and CORNWALL ADVERTISER 3 OCTOBER 1851 - pages 3 to 7 were missing from the newspaper, leaving only shipping news and stock prices; therefore, here's a selection of ADVERTISEMENTS SHEEP FOUND Found, three sheep at Summercourt fair on the 25th of September. Any one applying to JOHN CHAPMAN, London Inn, Summercourt, and paying all expences can have them again. Dated, October 1, 1851 ..... Wanted, by the Advertiser, a SITUATION in a Solicitor's office, has had sixteen years experience in offices of great respectability, and is swell acquainted with the general routine of same - is a good Copyist and Engrosser and will make himself generally useful - can be highly recommended and is of sober and industrious habits. Salary no object, only a permanent situation. Address, D. R. Post Office, Truro October 1, 1851 ..... LOST, in FALMOUTH, several months past, the Second Volume of YARRELL'S BRITISH BIRDS. Whoever may have found the same and will bring it to MR. GILL, Bookseller, Penryn, or to MR. ROBERT LAKE, Falmouth, shall receive Ten Shillings reward. Penryn, September 30, 1851 .... BY ORDER OF THE ROYAL COMMISSIONERS THE GREAT EXHIBITION Will finally close on Saturday, October 11th, AND to afford the LAST OPPORTUNITY for visiting it, a FAST TRAIN will leave Plymouth Station on SATURDAY, October 4th, at SIX o'clock Railway Time, stopping half-an-hour at Swindon for Refreshments, and efficient arrangements have been made, for the punctual arrival of the Train at Paddington at Five o'clock in the Afternoon; returning on SATURDAY the 11th, at 7 a.m. FARES FOR THE DOUBLE JOURNEY Plymouth.............1st Class, 46s. 2nd Class, 21s. Children under twelve years of age, half-price; under three, free. Ordinary Passenger Luggage will be allowed, which should have the name of the owner thereon. Tickets may be obtained of Mr. J. Bottomly, 15 Tavistock Street, or 41 Whimple Street, and of Mr. H. H. Whipple, Summerland Place, Plymouth; Mr. Oliver, Hotel, Bodmin; Mr. Philp, Printer, Callington; Mr. R. Hayne, Launceston; Mr. Orchard, Liskeard; Mr. Adams, Stationer, Tavistock; Mrs. Heard and Sons, Truro; and Mr. W. Knapp, Printer, Wadebridge. As the number is limited, early application is essential. On receipt of Post Office Orders, payable to Mr. RICHARD SOUTHWOOD, Western Times Office, Exeter. Tickets will be sent by return Post. ................. TESTIMONIAL TO MICHAEL WILLIAMS, ESQ. THE COMMITTEE beg to announce that SUBSCRIPTIONS may be paid to the East Cornwall Bank at Liskeard and Bodmin; Messrs. Tweedy and Co., Cornish Bank, Truro, Redruth, and Falmouth; Messrs. Bolithos and Sons, Penzance and St. Ives; Mr. Carne's Bank, Penzance; or to either of the following gentlemen, viz: Mr. H. GRYLLS (Treasurer) Redruth Mr. R. PEARCE, Penzance Mr. J. JAMES, St. Just Mr. R. R. MICHELL, Marazion Captain THOMAS RICHARDS, Foundry House, Hayle Mr. R. H. PIKE, Camborne Mr. W. BURGESS, Illogan Mr. PRYOR, Town-Hall, Redruth Mr. LITTLE, Redruth Mr. E. H. HAWKE, Tolgulla, St. Day Mr. PEARCE, Royal Hotel, Truro Mr. R. R. BROAD, Falmouth Mr. JOSEPH MORCOM, St. Austell And Mr. FIELD, Mining Exchange, London. The Subscriptions are limited to FIVE SHILLINGS. Any smaller amount will be received. The Lists to be closed on the 29th of November. THOMAS GARLAND Hon. Secretary to the Committee Redruth, October 1, 1851 ..... ASSEMBLY ROOMS, ROYAL HOTEL, PLYMOUTH MR. ALBERT SMITH has the honour to announce to the residents of Plymouth and the vicinity, that he will give his New Literary, Pictorial, and Musical Entertainment, entitled THE OVERLAND MAIL At the above Rooms, on MONDAY EVENING, October 6, and TUESDAY MORNING and EVENING, October 7. The illustrations have been painted by Mr. William Beverley, from Original Sketches made on the spot by Mr. Albert Smith during his late Tour. A splendid view of the Channel and Folkestone Harbour by moonlight, has just been added. Morning - Doors open at Two o'clock, and commence at half-past Two; Evening, Doors open at Eight, and commence at half-past Eight. Prices of Admission: Morning Stalls, 4s.; Family ditto, 10s., 6d; Unreserved Seats, 2s. Evening Stalls, 4s.; Family ditto, 10s.6d.; Unreserved Sears, 2s; Back Seats, 1s; Children and Schools half-price to Stalls and Unreserved seats. Evening Dress will be observed in the Stalls. Tickets to be had, and places secured, of Mr. LIDSTONE, Bookseller, George-street, where a plan of the Room may be seen, and places taken for the numbered Stalls. ...... Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

I don't have access to any South Australia recordsRowena, but my Cornish miners went there first, before going to Victoria for gold mining just a few years before your James disappeared. Someone from the South Aust list may be helpful. There is a biographical index. Best of luck with it. Marg in Hervey Bay Qld. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowena Gough" <rfgough@optusnet.com.au> To: <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] James Pascoe and Eliz Penhall / Penhale > Dear Listers > > I've found Pascoe relative (my GG grandfather's nephew) whose Cornish > family > believed he came to Australia. I have the Victorian indexes and just > checked > but no results. I also checked online indexes for New South Wales, Western > Australia and for New Zealand, and again no results. > Would anyone know of this family, or be able to help in any way? He was a > miner in Cornwall, and may have followed work in any of the Commonwealth > countries or the USA. I've not been able to trace them beyond the 1861 > Census. > He was James PASCOE bapt 25 Apr 1825, Ludgvan Cornwall to parents Richard > PASCOE and Grace GILLIS. > James married Elizabeth PENHALL Jul-Sep 1849 St Austell RD, and they had a > son in Cornwall, James born Jul-Sep 1854 St Austell RD. > > Elizabeth PENHALL (sometimes spelt Penhale) was bapt 28 Oct 1827 Phillack, > to parents Thomas PENHALE and Mary GILBART / GILBERT. > 1841 census: He is listed living at home with his parents at Currossowe, > Ludgvan, Richard, 50, miller, Garce 45, Mary 20, Richard 20 miner, James > 15 > miner, John 14 miller, William 10, Edward 8. > > 1851 census: living in Polgooth, St Mewan, James Head 26 tin miner born > Illogan, Elizabeth wife 24 born Phillick, Eliza sis-law 21 born Phillick, > and Mary Mtr-law 68 born Phillick. > 1861 census: living in Carnbrea, Illogan James Head 37 miner born Ludgvan, > Elizabeth wife 35 born Pheleich, James son 7 scholar born St Mewan. > Many thanks for any assistance. > Kind regards to all, > Rowena > In Melbourne

Dear Listers I've found Pascoe relative (my GG grandfather's nephew) whose Cornish family believed he came to Australia. I have the Victorian indexes and just checked but no results. I also checked online indexes for New South Wales, Western Australia and for New Zealand, and again no results. Would anyone know of this family, or be able to help in any way? He was a miner in Cornwall, and may have followed work in any of the Commonwealth countries or the USA. I've not been able to trace them beyond the 1861 Census. He was James PASCOE bapt 25 Apr 1825, Ludgvan Cornwall to parents Richard PASCOE and Grace GILLIS. James married Elizabeth PENHALL Jul-Sep 1849 St Austell RD, and they had a son in Cornwall, James born Jul-Sep 1854 St Austell RD. Elizabeth PENHALL (sometimes spelt Penhale) was bapt 28 Oct 1827 Phillack, to parents Thomas PENHALE and Mary GILBART / GILBERT. 1841 census: He is listed living at home with his parents at Currossowe, Ludgvan, Richard, 50, miller, Garce 45, Mary 20, Richard 20 miner, James 15 miner, John 14 miller, William 10, Edward 8. 1851 census: living in Polgooth, St Mewan, James Head 26 tin miner born Illogan, Elizabeth wife 24 born Phillick, Eliza sis-law 21 born Phillick, and Mary Mtr-law 68 born Phillick. 1861 census: living in Carnbrea, Illogan James Head 37 miner born Ludgvan, Elizabeth wife 35 born Pheleich, James son 7 scholar born St Mewan. Many thanks for any assistance. Kind regards to all, Rowena In Melbourne

Hi Rowena, If you subscribe temporily to Aus-Sagen,there are a lot of helpful people who could do look ups for you South Aust. rgds Cj - Qld

Hi This could possibly be Mary Kelynack born in Paul about 1762 and according to some Family Trees her Parents were William Kelynack, Mary Tregurtha. However also according to some Family Trees she married Charles Thomas. In the 1841 Census at Paul there is a Mary Kelynack neé Trezise b abt 1776 married to a William Kelynack. Think these could possibly be the same person but without seeing the records and death certificate it is difficult to prove. The Kelynack name seems closely associated with Paul Parish. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Curnow" <wjcurnow@kernow.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 26 July 2010 12:55 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton, weekly newspaper, 26 Sep 1851,Mary KELYNACK > Julia, > >> But my favourite is Mrs. Kelynack! > > I agree. The tale of Mrs. Mary KELYNACK (84) and her close encounter with > the Lord Mayor of London is absolutely charming. I wonder if anybody can > identify the woman? It is possible that she is the Mary KELYNACK, 86, > "pauper from Dock Lane," whose 25 Nov 1855 burial appears in the register > for the St. Mary's, Penzance, Madron chapelry. If so, who was she? > > > Bill Curnow > Port Charlotte, FL, USA > > >> AN AGED VISITOR TO THE LORD MAYOR - On Tuesday last, among the visitors >> at >> the Mansion House >> was MARY KELYNACK, 84 years of age, who had travelled on foot from >> Penzance, carrying a basket on >> her head, with the object of visiting the Exhibition, and of paying her -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 317 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Joanne, I had a hunch that's who she was and that her age was embellished ... young folks often understated their ages, while older folks frequently exaggerated in the direction of making themselves even more venerable. I hesitated to prematurely propose that the age reported in the newspaper was 10 years off. There is another burial that might be hers - Mary Kelynack, 78, of Newlyn, buried at Paul on 18 Mar 1854. This could square with her age being overstated by 10 years in the 1851 news article. Let me follow up on some of those Google references. I do believe you've correctly identified the lady. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "JCM2006" <JCM2006@sympatico.ca> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton, weekly newspaper, 26 Sep 1851,Mary KELYNACK > Google "Mary Kelynack" and there are quite a few stories about her. In one > book, "101 Cornish Lives" 10 years is said to have been added to her age > to > make the story better. Born Mary TRESIZE (1776 in Newlyn, daughter of > Nicholas), and recently widowed, she also reportedly met Queen > Victoria > on her adventure. For more on her, in the Cornishman, see > http://www.busby.net/nzca/vol360.html > > Joanne > Toronto, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Curnow" <wjcurnow@kernow.com> > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:55 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton, weekly newspaper, 26 Sep 1851,Mary > KELYNACK > > >> Julia, >> >>> But my favourite is Mrs. Kelynack! >> >> I agree. The tale of Mrs. Mary KELYNACK (84) and her close encounter >> with >> the Lord Mayor of London is absolutely charming. I wonder if anybody can >> identify the woman? It is possible that she is the Mary KELYNACK, 86, >> "pauper from Dock Lane," whose 25 Nov 1855 burial appears in the register >> for the St. Mary's, Penzance, Madron chapelry. If so, who was she? >> >> >> Bill Curnow >> Port Charlotte, FL, USA >> >> >>> AN AGED VISITOR TO THE LORD MAYOR - On Tuesday last, among the visitors >>> at >>> the Mansion House >>> was MARY KELYNACK, 84 years of age, who had travelled on foot from >>> Penzance, carrying a basket on >>> her head, with the object of visiting the Exhibition, and of paying her >>> respects personally to the Lord >>> Mayor and Lady Mayoress. As soon as the ordinary business was finished >>> the >>> aged woman entered >>> the Justice-room, when the Lord Mayor addressing her said, "Well, I >>> understand, Mrs. Kelynack, you >>> have come to see me?" She replied, "Yes, God bless you! I never was in >>> such a place as this. I have >>> come up asking for a small sum of money. I am eighty-four." The Lord >>> Mayor - "Where did you come >>> from?" Mrs. Kelynack - "From Land's End." The Lord Mayor - "What >>> part?" >>> Mrs. Kelynack - >>> "Penzance." She then stated that she left Penzance five weeks ago, and >>> had been the whole of this >>> time walking to the metropolis. The Lord Mayor - "What induced you to >>> come >>> to London?" Mrs. >>> Kelynack - "I had a little matter to attend to as well as the >>> Exhibition. >>> I was there on Monday, and >>> mean to go again to-morrow." The Lord Mayor - "What do you think of >>> it?" Mrs. Kelynack - "I think >>> it's very good." (much laughter) She then said that all her money was >>> spent but fivepence halfpenny. >>> After a little further conversation, which caused considerable >>> merriment, >>> the Lord Mayor made her a >>> present of a sovereign, telling her to take care of it, there being a >>> good >>> many thieves in London. The >>> poor creature, on receiving the gift, burst into tears, and said, "Now I >>> shall be able to get back." She >>> was afterwards received by the Lady Mayoress, with whom she remained for >>> a >>> long time; and having >>> partaken of tea in the housekeeper's room, which she said she preferred >>> to >>> the finest wine in the >>> kingdom, and which latter beverage she had not tasted for sixty years, >>> she >>> returned thanks for the >>> hospitality she had received, and left the Mansion House for one more >>> visit to the Exhibition, and then >>> to return to her native home. >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Google "Mary Kelynack" and there are quite a few stories about her. In one book, "101 Cornish Lives" 10 years is said to have been added to her age to make the story better. Born Mary TRESIZE (1776 in Newlyn, daughter of Nicholas), and recently widowed, she also reportedly met Queen Victoria on her adventure. For more on her, in the Cornishman, see http://www.busby.net/nzca/vol360.html Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Curnow" <wjcurnow@kernow.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:55 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] West Briton, weekly newspaper, 26 Sep 1851,Mary KELYNACK > Julia, > >> But my favourite is Mrs. Kelynack! > > I agree. The tale of Mrs. Mary KELYNACK (84) and her close encounter with > the Lord Mayor of London is absolutely charming. I wonder if anybody can > identify the woman? It is possible that she is the Mary KELYNACK, 86, > "pauper from Dock Lane," whose 25 Nov 1855 burial appears in the register > for the St. Mary's, Penzance, Madron chapelry. If so, who was she? > > > Bill Curnow > Port Charlotte, FL, USA > > >> AN AGED VISITOR TO THE LORD MAYOR - On Tuesday last, among the visitors >> at >> the Mansion House >> was MARY KELYNACK, 84 years of age, who had travelled on foot from >> Penzance, carrying a basket on >> her head, with the object of visiting the Exhibition, and of paying her >> respects personally to the Lord >> Mayor and Lady Mayoress. As soon as the ordinary business was finished >> the >> aged woman entered >> the Justice-room, when the Lord Mayor addressing her said, "Well, I >> understand, Mrs. Kelynack, you >> have come to see me?" She replied, "Yes, God bless you! I never was in >> such a place as this. I have >> come up asking for a small sum of money. I am eighty-four." The Lord >> Mayor - "Where did you come >> from?" Mrs. Kelynack - "From Land's End." The Lord Mayor - "What >> part?" >> Mrs. Kelynack - >> "Penzance." She then stated that she left Penzance five weeks ago, and >> had been the whole of this >> time walking to the metropolis. The Lord Mayor - "What induced you to >> come >> to London?" Mrs. >> Kelynack - "I had a little matter to attend to as well as the Exhibition. >> I was there on Monday, and >> mean to go again to-morrow." The Lord Mayor - "What do you think of >> it?" Mrs. Kelynack - "I think >> it's very good." (much laughter) She then said that all her money was >> spent but fivepence halfpenny. >> After a little further conversation, which caused considerable merriment, >> the Lord Mayor made her a >> present of a sovereign, telling her to take care of it, there being a >> good >> many thieves in London. The >> poor creature, on receiving the gift, burst into tears, and said, "Now I >> shall be able to get back." She >> was afterwards received by the Lady Mayoress, with whom she remained for >> a >> long time; and having >> partaken of tea in the housekeeper's room, which she said she preferred >> to >> the finest wine in the >> kingdom, and which latter beverage she had not tasted for sixty years, >> she >> returned thanks for the >> hospitality she had received, and left the Mansion House for one more >> visit to the Exhibition, and then >> to return to her native home. > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Julia, > But my favourite is Mrs. Kelynack! I agree. The tale of Mrs. Mary KELYNACK (84) and her close encounter with the Lord Mayor of London is absolutely charming. I wonder if anybody can identify the woman? It is possible that she is the Mary KELYNACK, 86, "pauper from Dock Lane," whose 25 Nov 1855 burial appears in the register for the St. Mary's, Penzance, Madron chapelry. If so, who was she? Bill Curnow Port Charlotte, FL, USA > AN AGED VISITOR TO THE LORD MAYOR - On Tuesday last, among the visitors at > the Mansion House > was MARY KELYNACK, 84 years of age, who had travelled on foot from > Penzance, carrying a basket on > her head, with the object of visiting the Exhibition, and of paying her > respects personally to the Lord > Mayor and Lady Mayoress. As soon as the ordinary business was finished the > aged woman entered > the Justice-room, when the Lord Mayor addressing her said, "Well, I > understand, Mrs. Kelynack, you > have come to see me?" She replied, "Yes, God bless you! I never was in > such a place as this. I have > come up asking for a small sum of money. I am eighty-four." The Lord > Mayor - "Where did you come > from?" Mrs. Kelynack - "From Land's End." The Lord Mayor - "What part?" > Mrs. Kelynack - > "Penzance." She then stated that she left Penzance five weeks ago, and > had been the whole of this > time walking to the metropolis. The Lord Mayor - "What induced you to come > to London?" Mrs. > Kelynack - "I had a little matter to attend to as well as the Exhibition. > I was there on Monday, and > mean to go again to-morrow." The Lord Mayor - "What do you think of > it?" Mrs. Kelynack - "I think > it's very good." (much laughter) She then said that all her money was > spent but fivepence halfpenny. > After a little further conversation, which caused considerable merriment, > the Lord Mayor made her a > present of a sovereign, telling her to take care of it, there being a good > many thieves in London. The > poor creature, on receiving the gift, burst into tears, and said, "Now I > shall be able to get back." She > was afterwards received by the Lady Mayoress, with whom she remained for a > long time; and having > partaken of tea in the housekeeper's room, which she said she preferred to > the finest wine in the > kingdom, and which latter beverage she had not tasted for sixty years, she > returned thanks for the > hospitality she had received, and left the Mansion House for one more > visit to the Exhibition, and then > to return to her native home.

BlankHi Whilst Googling my Banfield Name I came across this site in the Archives which is Cornwall Parish Records http://www.archive.org/stream/cornwallparishr03stepgoog/cornwallparishr03stepgoog_djvu.txt Hope it is of help to someone. Mary -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 313 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi all, especially Rowena and Keith. The Permewan family have a connection with a Shugg family in the West Penwith area but there appears to be no connection to the ones under discussion within the relevant time frame. Good hunting! John Tremewan (Researching TREMEWAN, TREMEWEN and PERMEWAN) in and from Cornwall. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Foster" <fosterk@qld.chariot.net.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Joseph Johns SHUGG one more time I would like to sort this one out if possible so any help would be appreciated but not urgent. I am currently cross referencing all my Shugg information especially parish registers v IGI records. There appear to be many variations and it appears some come from a difference between original registers and bishops transcriptions. The classic is Grace Rosewarne Shugg as it appears in a bishops transcription and appears as such on the OPC site. The original register has her as Pearce Rosewarne Shugg. It wasn't until her name appeared as a prosecution witness in a trial reported in the West Briton that the correct name of Pearce Rosewarne Shugg was determined. There are many variations in dates with 3 and 8 often mixed. I have done my share of reading parish registers so know the difficulty in determining some of the hand writing so in no way are criticising any transcribers who do a fantastic job. This one with Joseph Johns just seemed very strange in a family that appears very orthodox in what they did with their first children. My guess would be that he is an illegitimate grandchild but will never prove it. Regards Keith -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2010 7:34 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Joseph Johns SHUGG one more time Hello again Keith and All, The date was the 30th of Oct as you said...not the 31st. sorry. The entry of the parents reads Samuel & Anne Thomas with Shugg in the surname column. The names Joseph and Johns read as first and middle names. It seems that he could have been baptised as an adult although there is no note in the entry to that affect. I can go back to the page to check if all the entries look like they were added at the same time, in case an earlier note by the official had been ignored, if you wish. Kathy ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15500) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3022 - Release Date: 07/22/10 18:36:00

I've included the article about the expelled Wesleyans because there were many small articles referring to the matter over a long period of time, none of which explained the nature of the grievances as this seems to do. Hope it's of interest to some! ......................................................................................................... 26 SEPTEMBER 1851 THE EXPELLED WESLEYANS THE REV SAMUEL DUNN preached in the Independent chapel at Mevagissey, on Monday evening last, and afterwards delivered an address. On Tuesday morning he again preached there, and on Tuesday evening there was a crowded attendance to hear him in the Baptist chapel at St. Austell. His text was the 3rd chapter of Philippians and the 20th verse: "Our conversation is in heaven, from when also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ." After the sermon, Mr. Dunn addressed the audience at considerable length, in regard to the proceedings of the conference, and the present state of Wesleyan affairs. Having before given them a statement with reference to the expulsion of himself and others, he should say that during the eighteen months since he last addressed them, he had had numerous opportunities of reviewing the whole matter. Since his expulsion, he had travelled more than forty thousand miles in different parts of the kingdom, often by night, and sometimes alone in railway carriages, when he had very carefully and prayerfully reviewed the whole; and his conclusion was, that were he placed in similar circumstances to-morrow, he should not in the least deviate from the course he took at the time of his expulsion. He did not see how he could have acted differently without abandoning great principles, without being a party to anti-protestant proceedings, without violating the laws of his Saviour, without dishonouring the names of John Wesley, Adam Clarke, and other men of renown who had passed into the skies to receive their eternal reward. The course he had been obliged to take was not at all in accordance with his feelings; and if he could have seen it was the will of God, he had stood prepared, if He had given him a call, to leave the white cliffs of old England, and go as far as the wings of heaven could waft him, to some island in the Pacific, and end his remaining days in preaching to the gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ. But here he was, placed in this peculiar situation by the despotism of the Wesleyan conference. "Woe is me that I sojourn in Masach, that I dwell in the tents of Kedar." "O that I had wings like a dove, for then would I fly away and be at rest." He had tried to bring these matters to an amicable settlement from month to month. He proposed to an eminent minister of the body, some eight or ten weeks ago, before the conference met, that the whole matter should be left to the decision of twelve persons, six from each party, to yield to each other as far as their conscience would allow them. Or if they objected, to meet six from the party with which he was connected. He proposed that they should leave it to twelve ministers of other demoninations; four clergymen, four Independent, and four Baptist ministers, who should hear each side of the question; and if those men - enlightened, clear-headed, impartial ministers of Christ - gave their decision against the course he had taken, he would abide by that decision, and refrain from holding public meetings of the kind now before him. This proposal, however, was rejected and treated with contempt; it was answered, what do ministers of other denominations know about methodism. A humble, gentle, lovely, pious brother, in the knowdge of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew second to none in the connexion - DANIEL WALTON, wrote about three months ago an excellent pamphlet entitled "Counsels of Peace." He (Mr. Dunn) read it, and said it was the very thing to effect a reconciliation. But at the conference, instead of being thanked for writing such a pamphlet, he (Walton) was condemned for it; and that lovely-spirited man, who had preached for thirty-six years, because he had dared to propose "counsels of peace," between the conference and the expelled, was degraded, torn from his circuit, and sent as second preacher to a mere fragment of a circuit amongst the lofty hills of Yorkshire, under a young superintendent who traveled his first years under him (Mr. Dunn) in the Shetland Isles some years ago. He then referred to the rejection by the conference of memorials signed by 50,000 members, including 7,000 office-bearers, requesting the conference to reconsider the matter. Some of the female members signed the memorials, and that was deemed a very high offence, that women should dare to meddle in church matters. The whole of the memorials were contemptuously rejected, the conference would not look at one of them. Such a thing, he believed, had never transpired in the popish or any other church, since the time that Jesus ascended from the Mount of Olives to his mediatorial throne in heaven. But in order to give a little colouring to such arbitrary conduct, the conference said, if the memorials had been of a certain description, signed by certain individuals, of a certain class, of a certain age, in a certain place, on one of three remarkable days a year, under the sanction of a certain individual (the superintendent), signed in his presence, instantly handed over to him, about matters affecting no other circuits but your own, without touching any Methodist principles, et cetera, then they said, we would have admitted them over the threshold and have looked at them. There were, however, sixty-six petitions of the constitutional kind, and they were obliged to take them in; but how did they treat them? They could not sit, by law, above twenty-one days; they delayed the consideration of these legal petitions to the evening of the last day, and then their answer, substantially, was this, - that twenty-two of them asked for things so very important that the conference could not grant them, and the remainder asked for things so very unimportant that they were not worth granting. He believed that one of the sixty-six was sent from St. Austell, signed by some of the clearest headed men in the society there, and they could tell whether their petition had been answered or not. Having rejected these memorials, the conference had made matters still more stringent, to bind the people more closely. They had adopted the principle of the old court, which had been abolished in the reign of Charles I. GEORGE OSBORNE introduced it at the conference last year, and it was now Methodist law, that the preacher could put any question he thinks proper to any member or office bearer at the bar of a leader's meeting, and demand an answer, on the refusal of which he may pronounce the individual dismemberised, as being guilty of what the conference calls contumacy, and he was then without the right of appeal. Mr. SECCOMBE might, if he pleased, deal thus with any of the Wesleyans present, for attending that meeting. Some of the preachers might not have exercised this power, but it was in the assumption of it that the sin consists. Last year, JAMES GROSE, the superintendent of the Exeter circuit, deposed from office a venerable local preacher named BARBER, who had been a member for sixty years. He was deposed for not paying, because he disapproved of the arbitrary acts of the preachers. Last Tuesday night the new superintendent, JOHN SMITH, came to a class in which he met, and gave him his ticket without a word, though knowing he would not give a penny to the cause under the circumstances; and next night the venerable man went down with him (MR. DUNN) to Teignmouth, stood with him on the platform, and though seventy five years of age, made his maiden speech. Last year the preachers were recklessly slaughtering the fold of Christ by hundreds; but they had found that would not do; it affects their funds and their character through the nation, and there was every reason now to believe that a private order had been sent throughout the connexion, that the preachers were to be very cautious how they expel the members. He contrasted also the treatment of himself with that of his friend THOMAS ROWLAND, who this year had written two tracts very severely condemnatory of the conference, and yet had not been expelled, though they had turned him into a supernumerary and cut off one-half of his income. They had reason to complain of the Wesleyan ministers for assuming the tremendous power, almost unlimited and irresponsible, which they have. He then stated objections to the Wesleyan ministers claiming the sole power of legislation over the vast methodist connexion; to their power of expelling ministers, office-bearers, and members in the manner they did; and their claiming the control of all the chapels, on which there were heavy debts for which they were not responsible. He said no person could get into the Wesleyan ministry without the nomination of a preacher; and another objection was to the preachers having so much to do with money matters, especially to their having the control of the immense funds of the body, and claiming the right to levy taxes on the people as they thought proper without their consent. Further, he complained of the sale of Kingswood school, the scene of Wesley's labours, instead of which a great pile of buildings had been erected at Bath; the old building would not do for the preachers of the present day, and towards the expense of the new erection conference had ordered a collection, which had been made in every Methodist chapel in the land. Further, he said, they objected to the manner in which the various monies of the connexion were appropriated. The yearly collection last year amounted to GBP 10,000, out of which GBP 20.16s.6d. were applied for the expenses of a special district meeting to try JAMES BROMLEY at Bath, and GBP 50.12s.6d. for the expense of supplying his place, so that that unrighteous act of the suspension of a christian minister cost the Wesleyans last year GBP 71.9s. He came now to an important point. He had taken counsel's opinion, putting Wesley's poll-deed and the minutes of conference in his hands, and had always thereupon contended that he had been illegally expelled. But the preachers justified the expulsion of himself and his friends without trial, on the ground that they had only exerted the power transferred to them by Mr. WESLEY. He had shown, however, and he believed it to be the very cause of the evil which has sprung up in methodism in the present day, that the preachers, now that they had constituted methodism into a separate church, had attempted to govern it by the same rules as Wesley governed it by when he considered it a mere community - a mere society of individuals, many of whom belonged to other churches; and hence in the erasure of a member's name from a Methodist class-book, Wesley never regarded it as excommunication from the church of Christ. He had contended that the preachers were mistaking the power which Wesley assumed, and which he exercised. He had stated this some scores of times during the past year. A few weeks ago he was in company with an eminent minister of the body, not yet expelled, and not Dr. BEAUMONT, or DANIEL WALTON, or GEORGE STEWART, but still a very clear-headed man, who asked him if he were aware of the frauds which had been committed, for some years past, with regard to their standard writings, especially the minutes of conference, containing the rules and regulations of their body. He (Mr. Dunn) replied, that he had had some suspicion of it for many years. He then told him to get a copy printed twenty or thirty years ago, and compare it with that given to the preachers who were admitted at the conference this year. He should tell them that the whole of the minutes were spread over ten volumes, but the substence of these is collected into a little volume, which is given to every preacher at his ordination, as containing the form of discipline which he is expected to carry out. He succeeded in getting one of the copies presented this year, and though it had on its title-page "Printed for GEORGE WHITFIELD, and sold at all the preaching-houses - reprinted in 1850," yet he solemnly declared, with great grief of heart, that on comparing it with the copy presented some twenty years ago, there were omissions, additions, interlineations, inversions, and mutilations. In the old copy, the nature of the power Wesley exercised is described in his own words, and is directly in the teeth of the assertions of the preachers in the last few years; would they believe it, that in the authorised copy printed this year, every word of that, contained in two and a half pages, is omitted. These statements would get abroad, and it would be for any preacher to refute them, if he were able. It was also a most affecting fact, that during the past year the preachers had changed the condition of church-membership from a religious into a money one; they had expelled members for no other reason than because they had not been paid as usual. With regard to the alterations in the minutes, he believed it had been done by JABEZ BUNTING and THOMAS JACKSON, whose name was to the minutes this year. The matter had never been brought before the conference, but if it had been done by the authority of the conference, it would have been a most affecting evidence of a bad state of things in that body. Mr. Wesley's caution about building expensive chapels, which would make rich men necessary to the connexion, was one of the things left out of the minutes given to the ordained preachers this year. Mr. Wesley says in this minute: - if it come to pass that ever rich men are necessary in Methodism, farewell to the Methodist discipline, if not doctrine too. They might remember that in March last there was a meeting of some hundreds of the aristocracy of Methodism, the long-pursed men, and they signed a declaration that they would stand by Methodism, and so on. He then referred to other matters left out of the minutes presented to the young preachers, thirty or forty of whom passed the conference this year, - in relation to the five o'clock preaching, the snuff-taking, dram-drinking, &c. He said there was a remarkable alteration from the minutes twenty years ago, with regard to chapel deeds; and there were omissions with respect to the election of trustees, and the appropriation of remaining funds on Methodism breaking up in any place. There were other omissions, but he had left the copies at Mr. LEWARNE's, and could not now refer to them. He was of opinion that these omissions and alterations were not made without an object; and after some further observations he concluded the meeting with singing and prayer. On Wednesday evening last, the Rev. S. DUNN preached to a numerous congregation in the Methodist New Connexion chapel, Truro. After the sermon he delivered an address to some extent of the same purport as that delivered at St. Austell. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LETTERS TO THE EDITOR STATISTICS OF CORNWALL - (No. 36) To the EDITOR of the WEST BRITON, SIR, - the next parish is MANACCAN. About a furlong south of Treath are the remains of a circular entrenchment, about four acres. About a half a mile north of Kestle are the remains of a circular fort, about four acres. About a furlong S.E. of Caerply is an ancient rectangular fort, about 200 feet by 140. (Caerpley, the entrenched fold?) At Treworgy are the remains of a circular entrenchment. By the road a little south of Trewan, are the remains of a circular entrenchment, about an acre. A furlong S.E. of Rosmorder are the remains of a circular entrenchment, about five acres; and a little N.W. of Rosmorder on the slope of the hill near the road, an ancient entrenchment extends down towards the valley, in length about 200 fathoms. ST. MARTIN in MENEAGE - At Gear, half a mile north of Trelowarren, is a large circular entrenchment, about 15 acres. At Carvallack, the road passes through an entrenchment of a somewhat elliptical form, cutting off a part of it on the N.E. side, and south-westward, the work extends about 50 fathoms and there meets and is there connected with a circular entrenchment, the interior area of which has a diameter about 230 feet. Both the works are surrounded by a single bank and ditch, and occupy about three acres and a quarter. About three furlongs westward of Tremayne farm house, is a circular entrenchment, about one acre and a quarter. At Dry tree, on Goonhilly Downs, is a barrow, diameter 95 feet, in the middle of which is stuck up the stump of a dead tree, which, as I presume, gives the name to the place. About fifty fathoms north- eastward of which, is another barrow, diameter 85 feet, and north-westward of which about twenty fathoms, is another, diameter 230 feet. Between the two first-mentioned barrows, there is a great granite stone, about 16 feet long, in an inclined position, with one end in the ground. It appears to have been fixed upright, and must have been brought, at least, seven or eight miles from the nearest granite country; it is about 2 1/2 feet wide by 2 feet thick, and probably weighs nearly seven tons. At a quarter of a mile north of Dry tree, are three barrows, diameters 110, 100, and 65 feet; the middle one has a shallow trench round it. At Mawgan Cross is an ancient inscribed stone. Borlase quotes Mr,. Moyle, who wrote in 1715, that, by the characters of the inscription, the stone had been fixed for more than 1,200 years. CONSTANTINE - About half of a mile E.N.E. of Gweek, are two barrows; the northern barrow is high, diameter 60 feet, and the other is low, diameter 40 feet. They are about 25 feet asunder. About a quarter of a mile N.E. of the last-mentioned, are two barrows, one of them is high, diameter 50 feet, the other low, diameter 40 feet, and the distance between them about 40 fathoms. On the road from Gweek towards Brill, at a quarter of a mile S.W. of Carwythenick House, is an entrenchment which appears to have been nearly rectangular in its form, with the corners rounded, the formation of the road appears to have destroyed one of its sides. It probably occupied about three acres; single bank and ditch. (Caerwartha-nick, the fort above the creek?) About a furlong north of Vellanoweth, is a barrow near the road leading from Gweek towards Truro, diameter 55 feet. On Merthen Downs are two barrows, diameters 60 and 40 feet; the smaller one has a trench of nearly a square form surrounding it. About a quarter of a mile east of the house at Merthen, is a rectangular entrenchment about two acres and a quarter. At Higher Calmansack are remains of a circular entrenchment about one acre and a half. A furlong westward of High Cross is a circular entrenchment about three quarters of an acre. About a mile and a half northward of the church, on the top of a hill, is the celebrated Mayne Rock or Tolmen, a huge block of granite in shape somewhat like a bowl, having a flat top nearly horizontal, which is irregularly hollowed into cavities of various sizes, apparently by the influence of the weather, in common with many other granite masses which are similarly situated. Its lower part rests on two other rocks, the whole forming the most elevated part of a ridge of granite. Its length is about 33 feet, and its width from 19 to 16 1/4 feet, and its greatest depth about 14 feet, which is at the middle, it being only 6 1/2 feet average thickness at the southern end, and 11 feet at the northern end. Its cubic content is about 6,000 feet, and its weight probably about 500 tons. (Dr. Borlase and his copiers appear to have greatly exaggerated its weight.) This immense mass curiously rests on two small bases, the largest of which is about 15 inches diameter, and the smaller about five inches. A quarter of a mile westward of Carloggas, on the eastern side of the road leading from Gweek towards Truro, are traces of a circular entrenchment, about 1 3/4 acres. Caer-loggas, according to Pryce, is "Mouse Castle." At about a quarter of a mile N.W., of the house at Trevease, and about one hundred fathoms east of the road leading from Gweek to Truro, are four ancient pits in a row, nearly north and south, at about 60 fathoms from each other, diameter of each about 40 feet, and about 5 feet deep. The bottom of one of them was dug into to about 6 feet deeper, where was found a blackish unctuous matter, and the pit continued deeper in a circular form, but the search was not continued. About 60 fathoms east of the northernmost of these pits is another pit like them, and about 70 fathoms E.N.E. of the southernmost pit are the remains of a circle of upright stones, diameter 80 feet. About 100 fathoms N.E. of the northernmost pits is a barrow formed of stones, diameter 50 feet; great part of which has been carried away to repair the fences of the fields. A circular inclosure of large stones surrounded the interior of the base, and within this was found a grave lying north and south, many pieces of bone and a bracelet were found in it. Tradition of the neighbourhood says that a battle was fought here between the ancient Cornish and the Danes; which appears in some measure to be corroborated by the number of barrows hereabout; eight of them having been described in the parish of Wendron, at a quarter of a mile S.E. of Viscar, and at a little N.E. of half-way house, and two others in this parish to be described, all of which are on the same elevated plain and within three quarters of a mile of a common centre. About three furlongs east of Ponstreath is a barrow, diameter 80 feet; about a quarter of a mile northward of the house at Lestraines, on the top of the hill is a barrow. I am, Sir, your obedient servant, RICHARD THOMAS Falmouth, September 16, 1851

Of great interest might be the article about Mr. Michael Williams, who personally saved 3,000 jobs for miners by continuing the United Mines. And the piece titled "Arrival from Australia" certainly defines how long a trip to Australia, and its return, would be. But my favourite is Mrs. Kelynack! Hope you enjoy - Julia _______ 26 SEPTEMBER 1851 TREVENEN HOUSE, GORAN MESSRS. CORY and CONGDON will SELL, by AUCTION, on MONDAY the 29th instant, and following days at Trevenen House in the parish of Goran, the LIVE AND DEAD FARM STOCK, Including several prime Jersey Cows, and Heifers, Husbandry Implements, superior modern Household Furniture, Phaeton, two four-wheeled Carriages, Pleasure Boat, Wine, books, Greenhouse, Plants, &c,&c. of W. S. GULLY, Esq., leaving England. Full particulars are given in hand-bills, and printed Catalogues may be obtained at sixpence each, by applying to MR. JAMES ANDREW, Printer, or to the Auctioneers, at St. Austell. Dated September 16, 1851 . . . . JOHN GATLEY HAS landed a Cargo of Clean, Outshot, and Half-clean HEMP, from Petersburg, and a few very superior eleven-inch and nine-inch white wood DEALS. Bone's Cellars, September 25th 1851 . . . . TRURO CLOTHING SOCIETY The Truro Society for the Gratuitous Distribution of Clothing among the Poor of Truro and its neighbourhood. THE ANNUAL MEETING of this SOCIETY will be held in the Vestry Room, St. Mary's, Thursday the 2nd of October, at twelve o'clock. J.T. NANKIVELL, Treasurer Dated September 24, 1851 __ LOCAL INTELLIGENCE ECCLESIASTICAL - At an ordination held in the Cathedral of Exeter on Sunday, by the Bishop of Exeter, EDMUND GEORGE HARVEY, Queen's College, Cambridge, was admitted to the order of deacon, and the following gentlemen to the order of priests: NICHOLAS THOMAS EVERY, Clare Hall, Cambridge; WILLIAM GEE, St. John's College, Cambridge; HENRY PETER GURNEY, St. John's College, Cambridge; and PERCY ROGERS, Clare Hall, Cambridge. The ordination sermon, at the Cathedral, on the occasion, was preached by the REV. PREBENDARY BROWNE, vicar of Kenwyn and Kea. AN AGED VISITOR TO THE LORD MAYOR - On Tuesday last, among the visitors at the Mansion House was MARY KELYNACK, 84 years of age, who had travelled on foot from Penzance, carrying a basket on her head, with the object of visiting the Exhibition, and of paying her respects personally to the Lord Mayor and Lady Mayoress. As soon as the ordinary business was finished the aged woman entered the Justice-room, when the Lord Mayor addressing her said, "Well, I understand, Mrs. Kelynack, you have come to see me?" She replied, "Yes, God bless you! I never was in such a place as this. I have come up asking for a small sum of money. I am eighty-four." The Lord Mayor - "Where did you come from?" Mrs. Kelynack - "From Land's End." The Lord Mayor - "What part?" Mrs. Kelynack - "Penzance." She then stated that she left Penzance five weeks ago, and had been the whole of this time walking to the metropolis. The Lord Mayor - "What induced you to come to London?" Mrs. Kelynack - "I had a little matter to attend to as well as the Exhibition. I was there on Monday, and mean to go again to-morrow." The Lord Mayor - "What do you think of it?" Mrs. Kelynack - "I think it's very good." (much laughter) She then said that all her money was spent but fivepence halfpenny. After a little further conversation, which caused considerable merriment, the Lord Mayor made her a present of a sovereign, telling her to take care of it, there being a good many thieves in London. The poor creature, on receiving the gift, burst into tears, and said, "Now I shall be able to get back." She was afterwards received by the Lady Mayoress, with whom she remained for a long time; and having partaken of tea in the housekeeper's room, which she said she preferred to the finest wine in the kingdom, and which latter beverage she had not tasted for sixty years, she returned thanks for the hospitality she had received, and left the Mansion House for one more visit to the Exhibition, and then to return to her native home. TESTIMONIAL TO MR. MICHAEL WILLIAMS - The usual two-monthly meeting of the United Mine adventurers was held on Friday last, and it is gratifying to see that the continued working of the mines is attended with success, and that a dividend has been declared. ... it is pleasing to add that a very considerable improvement has taken place in Poldory, at the 100 fathoms level. At the meeting on Friday last, a proposition was made by MR. WILLYAMS, M.P., and most heartily and unanimously responded to by the adventurers, that a testimonial should be presented to MR. MICHAEL WILLIAMS for his public-spirited and generous efforts to continue the working of these mines under most discouraging circumstances. In the early part of the present year, the former adventurers had determined on drawing up the materials and abandoning the mines, as being no longer profitable. This would have occasioned the suspension of Consols, Poldice, and other extensive concerns in the neighbourhood; and would have thrown out of employ, and deprived of their usual means of support, at least three thousand miners. This must have most disastrously affected the value of mining labour throughout the county, as well as added to the poor-rates, and produced widely-spread distress. In this emergency Mr. Michael Williams came forward, and was the principal means of continuing the working of the United Mines under a newly-formed company. It is gratifying to see that their working of the concern has been thus far successful, and we hope will continue so for a long period. All who appreciate Mr. Williams's public spirit, in relation to the interests of the county of Cornwall, will now have the opportunity of showing their respect for that gentleman. [The committee decided to open the memorial to all who wished to contribute, with no contribution larger than five shillings. The editor feels sure that thousands of persons will contribute; the total amount , or 'intrinsic value,' is not important, but the number of donors will demonstrate the deep affection held for Mr. Williams throughout the county.] A committee of gentlemen, of which MR. WILLYAMS, M.P. for Truro, is chairman, has been formed for carrying the resolutions passed into effect. Mr. H. GRYLLS, of Redruth, has been appointed treasurer of the fund; and MR. GARLAND, of Fairfield, is secretary to the committee. SAILORS' HOME, FALMOUTH - A public meeting was held at the Guildhall, Helston, on Friday evening last, for the purpose of expressing approval of this Institution. The chair was taken by Mr. MOLESWORTH St. AUBYN, of Clowance, at half-past six, and the meeting was very respectably but thinly attended. Captain SKENE and Capt. HEAD attended from Falmouth, as a deputation to explain the objects of the Institution. The meeting was very ably addressed by the Rev. W. THOMAS, Rev. E. BOGER, Rev. M. WILSON, and Mr. F. HILL, and Messrs. FANING and ROGERS. Resolutions were passed approving of the establishment of a sailors' home at the port of Falmouth, and pledging support to the establishment. A committee was appointed consisting of the magistrates, ministers, and gentlemen of the town and neighbourhood, for the purpose of obtaining subscriptions and donations, and otherwise advancing the objects of the Cornwall Sailors' Home. -We understand that the committee continue to receive assurances of support from various quarters. NANCLEDRA CATTLE SHOW FAIR - This fair, which was well supplied with cattle of every description, was held on Friday last, in a commodious field, which was kindly lent for the occasion by MR. SAMUEL MICHELL, of Chyponds. The umpires chosen were MR. JAMES H. SANDOW, MR. RICHARD HOSKING, MR. JOSHUA GLASSON, and MR. MARTIN TREWHELLA. The prizes were satisfactorily awarded as follows: For the best colt for general purposes, MR. SAMUEL MICHELL, sen., Towednack; best milch cow, MR. RICHARD BERRYMAN, St. Erth; best fat bullock, MR. JOHN VERRANT CARBONE, St. Hilary; best heifer, MR. MARTIN TREWHELLA, Lelant; best bull, Jersey breed, MR WILIAM RICHARDS, Penzance. BUDE FAIR - The fair held here on Monday was moderately supplied with sheep and cattle, with rather a dull sale at prices ranging about those of the last two or three weeks. The weather being fine attracted a goodly sprinkling of holiday folk, and as Cooke's equestrian company were exhibiting their feats of horsemanship in a field the Bude side of Stratton town, a great many left to see the performance. CORNISH GRANITE - A handsome cross of Stithians granite is now in course of sculpture by MR. CLEMENS, stone mason, of Frances-street, Truro, for MR. JUSTICE ERLE, to be placed in that gentleman's grounds, in Surrey. [The base of the cross is 3 feet 4 inches in length, by 2 feet 7 inches wide, one foot thick. The height of the shaft is eight feet, exclusive of the base. The sides of the shaft are pannelled [sic] and ornamented with sunk scrolls, the general design being in imitation of the lower of the two crosses in Lanivet church-yard.] We understand that Mr. Justice Erle is ornamenting his house and grounds with various specimens of Cornish statuary. MERCANTILE MARINE BOARD - MR. RICHARD WHITE of St. Ives, obtained a certificate of competency at the examination at the port of Plymouth, on the 5th inst., for Master. On Wednesday se'nnight, MR. WILLIAM COUCH also obtained a certificate for Master. ARRIVAL FROM AUSTRALIA - On Thursday evening, the 18th instant, the "Sacramento," 500 tons, Captain DOVE, put into the port of Penzance, after a passage from Port Phillip, Victoria Colony, New South Wales, of 162 days, with a mail which was dispatched to London. She left on the 2nd of April. Her cargo consists of wool, cotton, and copper ore; passengers and crew well. WRECK - On the 15th instant, the "Galway Ark" put into Scilly, having on board CAPT. ROMANO and the crew of the Neapolitan brig "San Giorgio, from Gioia for Hamburg, which vessel struck on the Crim Rocks about nine o'clock on the previous night, and immediatedly[sic] turning to seaward filled and upset. The crew were taken off about half an hour after from the deck quarter of the "San Giorgio" by the crew of the "Galway Ark," who, fortunately being near, heard the cries of the unfortunate men and proceeded tot heir succor, and landed the crew the following day at St. Mary's. The buoyant nature of the "San Giorgio's" cargo preventing her from sinking; she is reported floating sixty miles to the westward of the Scilly Islands; most of the Scilly pilot boats are alongside of her trying to get the cargo out, as the state of the weather does not permit them towing her up. CAUTION - The railway contractors on the West Cornwall line, it appears, are in the habit of issuing printed "subsist" tickets, with an amount filled up in them, and by means of which the labourers on the line procure groceries, &c., at the shops, tendering their tickets as security for payment. Last week a "navvy" presented a ticket at a shop in Chacewater, printed in imitation of those issued by the contractors, with an amount filled up of between one and two pounds. For this he was brought before one of the county magistrates of Truro, when it appeared that the ticket presented by the navvy was in larger type than the authorized tickets; and the evidence being insufficient to convict him of the forgery, the case was dismissed. It would add security against imposition if some other mode were adopted, or the tickets rendered more difficult to imitate. STEALING FRUIT - On Friday last, at St. Austell, before Sir Joseph Sawle Graves SAWLE, Bart., and MR. GRAHAM, JAMES PONISI, of St. Austell, was convicted of stealing apples and pears growing in the garden of MRS. HODGE, of St. Austell, and was committed to the house of correction at Bodmin to hard labour for the space of three calendar months. On Monday last, GEORGE FRATHERSTONE, JOSEPH WILLIAMS, and CHARLES SMITH, three seamen belonging to vessels lying at Charlestown, were convicted by Sir. J. S.G. Sawle, Bart., of stealing apples growing in the orchard, the property of MR. FREETH, at Duporth, and were severally committed to the house of correction at Bodmin to hard labour for three calendar months. SERIOUS ACCIDENT TO THE EARL OF MOUNT EDGECUMBE - As this respected nobleman was being drawn in his wheel chair from Norfolk House, Cowes, on Saturday, in turning a corner the chair was upset, and his lordship was thrown out of it on to his head. Fortunately he had a hat on, which broke the blow, but yet his lordship was quite stunned. He was carried back to his house, and the assistance of Drs. Hoffmeister and Cass called in. His lordship has not since left his bed, but we are happy to say that, except a severe bruise on the side, he was not seriously injured. MINE ACCIDENTS - On Tuesday last, as two men, father and son, named NORTHY, were at work underground at St. Austell Iron Mine, a scale of ground fell away, when the elder escaped unhurt, but the son was much hurt about the head and shoulder. On Thursday, two miners working in the mine at Halleswidden, while in the act of charging a hole, met with a shocking accident by the powder igniting - it is supposed by the friction of the ramming bar. One of the men was burnt severely about the face; while the other, named GROSE, had his head greatly shattered by a part of the rock. He lived until the next day about twelve o'clock, when he expired. The other man is not expected to recover. CHILD DROWNED - On Monday last, ROBERT JOHN, son of CAPTAIN JOHN HICKS, of the schooner "Abel," of Fowey, aged twenty-two months, was drowned at Bodinnick, near Fowey. He was discovered in the water floating, quite dead, by MR. BOOLEY. It is supposed that the child fell over when stooping towards the water, and was unperceived, so that immediate assistance could not be rendered. CORONER'S INQUESTS - The following inquests have been held before MR. JOHN CARLYON, county coroner: On Friday last at Gwennap, on the body of JOHN WHITE, miner, aged 53 years, who was killed the day before by falling from the shallow to the deep adit level, a distance of about ten fathoms, in East Wheal Damsel mine. Verdict, accidental death. On Tuesday, at Penryn, on the body of EDWARD ODGERS, of that town, carpenter, aged 80 years, who was at his son's house on Monday, and going up stairs to see him, he being ill in bed, when the deceased fell down stairs and his head came in contact with a partition at the bottom. His daughter hearing the fall, ran to his assistance, and supported him until some neighbours came in and removed him to a sofa in the parlour, but he died almost immediately. Verdict, accidental death. ---- THE END ---- Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Thanks, Mary and DaveH I appreciate your help. The data regarding George Crago was given to me, so I cannot vouch for the accuracy. George was recognized as centenarian while living in Plumstead by a local newspaper at the time. I did find that information. Regards, Steade

In Latin: 'filia' is daughter, 'filius' is son, what is 'fil', is it short for child?  (I thought maybe it was a dup from the last person ...but... sometimes the last listing was a male name and the next one was a female name)  Regards, Donald E. Curkeet OPC-Helston, St. Cleer, St. Martin in Meneage-CON http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ecricket5/ OPC-Charles the Martyr, Holbeton, Newton Ferrers, Pennycross, Plymstock, St. Budeaux-DEV http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdevon/Plymouth/ member of CFHS, SWCS, LCGS, GCGS

I live near the Record Office in Plumstead and will have a look at the papers in the next week or so. However he was not 105 when he died. bye DaveH

West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. transcribed by Berne Currie 26th September 1851 Births At Parade, Truro, on Tuesday last, the wife of W.H. VICE, Esq., of a daughter. At Devoran, on the 12th instant, the wife of Mr. R.T. HALL, of a son. At Helston, on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. Peter RALPH, of a son. At Penzance, on the 18th instant, the wife of Mr. H. PASCOE, jeweller, of a son; and on Monday last, the wife of the Rev. Richard MALONE, of a daughter. At Gulval, on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. J. TONKIN, of a daughter. At Marazion, last week, the wife of Mr. Nicholas KNEEBONE, of a son; and the wife of Mr. William PEARCE, of a son. At Hayle Foundry, on the 16th instant, the wife of Mr. Thomas RICHARDS, of a son. At Hayle, the wife of Mr. James ROGERS, deceased, of a posthumous daughter. At Gwinear, on the 10th instant, the wife of Mr. Richard HODGE, of a son. At Gwithian, on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. Henry BERRYMAN, of a son; and on Tuesday, the wife of Mr. J. ROGERS, of a daughter. At St. Agnes, on the 13th instant, the wife of Mr. T BLENKINSOP, of a daughter. At Tresawna, in the parish of St. Enoder, on the 16th instant, the wife of Mr. John FRANCIS, of Trewolla, of a daughter. At Charlestown, on Monday last, the wife of Mr. Martin LAWRY, of a daughter. At Bude, on the 18th instant, the wife of the Rev. R. BRICKWOOD, Wesleyan Minister, of a daughter; and on Friday last, the wife of Mr. John HEARD, of a son. At Stratton, on the 15th instant, the wife of Mr. TRICK, of a son; and on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. WALTER, of a son. At Haldon House, Devon, on Friday last, the wife of Lawrence PALK, Esq., of a daughter. At 2 New North Terrace, Exeter, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. William SNELL, commercial traveller, of a daughter. At Hackney, the wife of Mr. Thomas HARVEY, solicitor, of a daughter. Marriages At Madron, on Saturday last, Mr. John WILLIAMS, of Chyandour, to Miss Mary WEAR, of Penzance. At Camborne, on Tuesday last, Mr. Edwin SMITH to Miss Mary Ann GLANVILLE, both of that place. At the Wesleyan Chapel, Camborne, on Tuesday last, the Rev. W.D. TYACK, Weslyan Minister of St. Agnes, to Eliza, second daughter of George SMITH, Esq., of Trava, Camborne. At Illogan, on Saturday last, Mr. MARTIN, of St. Day, to Miss KINGOVE, of Chygarden, in the parish of Illogan. At Broadhembury, on the 18th instant, the Hon. The Rev. John GIFFORD, Vicar of Shalford, near Guildford, to Alice Fanny, daughter of Edward Simcoe DREWE, Esq., of the Grange, near Honiton. Deaths At Malpas, near Truro, on Sunday last, highly esteemed and much regretted, Mary, wife of Mr. HUGO, of the Park Inn, aged 50 years. At Mylor, on Sunday last, Mr. R. RUNDLE, aged 74 years. At Penryn, on Monday last, Mr. Edward ODGERS, aged 81 years. At Helston, on Tuesday last, Jane Mary, the beloved wife of Glynn GRYLLS, Esq., aged 52 years. At Helston, on Friday last, John, son of Mr. John MENADUE, currier. At Breage, on Monday last, Mr. WOOD, of Wheal Vor Mine, in that parish. At Trenevas, in the parish of St. Keverne, on Monday last, Mr. John ROSKRUGE, AGED 77 YEARS. At Penzance, on the 18th instant, Mr. James ROBERTS, aged 24 years. At St. Just in Penwith, on the 16th instant, Mr. James NANKERVIS; and on the 18th, Mr. Matthew THOMAS, aged 44 years. At Chyandour, on the 17th instant, Mr. Henry GROSE, aged 74 years. At Marazion, on Sunday last, Mr. John TREGLOAN, aged 54 years. At Hayle, on the 17th instant, Mrs. Molly HARRIS, aged 80 years. At Gwinear, on the 17th instant, Mrs. Jane POOLEY,aged 59 years. At Camborne, on Wednesday last, Maria, widow of the late Mr. Humphrey HARVEY, aged 85 years. At Newquay, on the 17th instant, Mr. William ROWLE, aged 101 years At St. Columb Minor, on Friday last, Mr. HOCKING, aged 48 years. At St. Austell, on the 18th instant, Mary Jane, daughter of Mr. Thomas WILLIAMS, butcher, aged 5 years; on Friday last Mr. William CARY, aged 66 years; and on Saturday, Mary, relict of the late Mr. James BONYTHON, at 89 years. At St. Cleer, on the 13th instant, the infant child of the Rev. J.R.P. BERKLEY. At Bude, on Monday last, Maria, wife of Mr. William BENNETT. At Launceston, on Wednesday last, the infant son of Richard PETER, Esq., solicitor. At Devonport, on the 14th instant, Anna Treffry, youngest daughter of the late C.W. FOX, Esq., aged 7 years At Harting, Sussex, on the 15th instant, Priscilla, wife of M.J. PHILLIPS, Esq., and daughter of the late Dr. FLAMANK, OF Wallingford, Berkshire. At Mineral del Monte Mines, Mexico, of a rupture of a blood-vessel in the lungs, Mr. Elisha FORD, formerly of Gwennap, in this county, aged 39 years. The End

I would like to sort this one out if possible so any help would be appreciated but not urgent. I am currently cross referencing all my Shugg information especially parish registers v IGI records. There appear to be many variations and it appears some come from a difference between original registers and bishops transcriptions. The classic is Grace Rosewarne Shugg as it appears in a bishops transcription and appears as such on the OPC site. The original register has her as Pearce Rosewarne Shugg. It wasn't until her name appeared as a prosecution witness in a trial reported in the West Briton that the correct name of Pearce Rosewarne Shugg was determined. There are many variations in dates with 3 and 8 often mixed. I have done my share of reading parish registers so know the difficulty in determining some of the hand writing so in no way are criticising any transcribers who do a fantastic job. This one with Joseph Johns just seemed very strange in a family that appears very orthodox in what they did with their first children. My guess would be that he is an illegitimate grandchild but will never prove it. Regards Keith -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2010 7:34 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Joseph Johns SHUGG one more time Hello again Keith and All, The date was the 30th of Oct as you said...not the 31st. sorry. The entry of the parents reads Samuel & Anne Thomas with Shugg in the surname column. The names Joseph and Johns read as first and middle names. It seems that he could have been baptised as an adult although there is no note in the entry to that affect. I can go back to the page to check if all the entries look like they were added at the same time, in case an earlier note by the official had been ignored, if you wish. Kathy ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15500) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Apologies to be back again with this, but there is a little bit of a mystery here. As a fellow Shugg researcher, this is unusual. Joseph is an extremely uncommon name amongst the Shugg's. Plus, I cannot find any Joseph Shugg's on 1841-1891 Census records on FreeCEN, no birth year given, Birth County - All. Searching again on FreeBMD, for any Joseph Shugg births, marriages or deaths 1838-1920 - absolutely nothing. Rowena -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2010 7:03 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Baptism of Joseph Johns Shugg 1853 Wendron Keith On the point of the 25 year time difference, Samuel Shugg and Ann Thomas married in 1810, and had their children between 1812 and 1826. I've checked on FreeBMD for a birth registration between 1848-1865, under Joseph Shugg and no results. However, I checked Johns also as Joseph Johns was a well used name. There is a birth registered in 1853: Johns, Joseph June Qtr 1853, Helston RD. There is also a John Shug registered June Qtr 1853, Truro RD. Cheers, Rowena -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Foster Sent: Saturday, 24 July 2010 4:55 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Baptism of Joseph Johns Shugg 1853 Wendron The online Parish Clerks Website shows a baptism of Joseph Johns Shugg with parents Samuel Shugg and Anne Thomas 30 October 1853. This couple had their last child in 1828 and Samuel died July 1853. Is it possible there is an error in the transcription. The occupation and address of the parents does tie in with the family concerned but the dates can not be correct. Keith ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15500) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message