Hi Keith, For what it's worth, Eliza was still living in Illogan at the time her son John Sydney MUGFORD enlisted in the Canadian Over-seas Expeditionary Force in 1917. He gave her address as Church Lane, Illogan. See http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc011/509454a.gif&id_nbr=179043 This family tree online states Eliza died in Cornwall in 1944. See http://www.haine.org.uk/trcornishwales/218.htm And your Harold did not necessarily 'lie' on his marriage certificate, as he may have been misled himself. His mother conveniently had a surname (her mother's maiden name) as her middle name. It is entirely possible that he was told he was from an earlier, ahem, marriage of Eliza ROSEWARNE to Wm SHUGG. She would not be the first to try and keep an out of wedlock birth from the birthee. You could certainly order his birth certificate to see what she told the authorities about the father. GRO reference March quarter 1891, Redruth Vol.5c page 212 Harold Hitchins SHUGG. Best of luck, Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Foster" <fosterk@qld.chariot.net.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. > Thanks Rowena and Jan, this was my understanding. > I think this demonstrates the fact that you never rely on a single source > of > information. If I had found the marriage register first I would have gone > down the wrong track altogether. > > Regards > > Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 8:19 PM > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. > > Hi Keith > > My understanding is that Harold Hitchins Shugg was the illegitimate son of > Eliza Rosewarne Shugg, born 18 Dec 1890, Treskellard, Illogan. > > Eliza married John Mugford Jan-Mar 1896, Redruth R.D. (John Mugford born > Oct-Dec 1860 Blackawton (Bideford RD) Devon. Unable to find death > registrations for Eliza or John, so they may have emigrated to North > America, as 2 sons fought in WW1 as USA and Canadian servicemen. I havn't > seen Harold's birth registration to know whether a father is named. A > William Shugg may be his father, or he has lied on his marriage record, > > Notes that I have for Harold Hitchins Shugg. Emigrated to the USA, and had > a > WW1 Draft registration Card issued showing his residence as Houghten, > Michigan. He was a resident of Painesdale, and an engineer at the time of > his marriage. Witnesses were: Ernest Hitchens of Painesdale, and Myrtle > Davey of Calumnet. He died in October 1971, at age 80 in Houghten, > Michigan. > > > Harold married Hazel M. Davey born c. 1893 Norway, Michigan, USA. Her > parents were Cornish, James Henry Davey and Charlotte Carbis who married > Oct-Dec 1887 Redruth RD. > > I don't know of any children Harold and Hazel may have had, or when she > died. > > Regards, Rowena > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Foster > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 7:00 PM > To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. > > Hopefully someone may be able to help here. > > > > Harold Hitchings Shugg born Illogen 1890. Record in BDM > > In the 1891 census he appears as a grandson > > David Shugg head > > Margareta wife > > Eliza Shugg daughter > > Harold H Shugg grandson > > > >>From other records I have concluded Eliza is Eliza Rosewarne Shugg. > > > > I have never had a problem with these records until now. > > > > Harold Hitchings Shugg married Hazel Davey in Michigan 20/12/1919 and gave > his parents as William Shugg and Eliza Rosewarne. > > Either Harold has lied on his marriage certificate or the census for 1891 > should read Eliza as a daughter in law, however to my knowledge David and > Margareta never had a son William. > > > > My guess is that the marriage certificate is wrong > > > > Regards > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15540) > http://www.pctools.com/ ======= > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15540) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for replying Mary, I have already checked out Lanteglos by Camelford thoroughly because that is where Richard Langdon was baptised (didn't have any luck with his ancestry either).  I used to belong to Cornwallfhs but never made any contacts through them.  I suspect that the trees on Ancestry got their data from me!  I used to subscribe to them, too, and helped a few people but didn't get any more information than I already had from anyone else.  I have got back to the 16th and 17th century on several branches of my tree but both Richard and Mary are immovable brick walls. Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: Mary Hester <mhester@tiscali.co.uk> To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 29 July, 2010 23:41:25 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] BROWN, Tintagel Hi Joy There are several Trees on Ancestry showing your Mary so might be worth looking at.  The other point I would say is that Lanteglos by Camelford is only five and a half miles from Tintagel so maybe it is worth checking that Parish out for her Baptism.  The last point I would make is to check out the CFHS at http://www.cornwallfhs.com/ as they maybe able to help you. Good luck. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 July 2010 19:51 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] BROWN, Tintagel Is anyone researching the BROWN surname from Tintagel? One of my brick walls is Mary Ann BROWN born c 1789 judging by census returns and her death certificate. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 319 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------- Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Catherine, I think it may have been Jane's KNUCKEY origin which got her into the church. Of the Helston burials transcribed by the OPC, there were no DUNCALF entries, but there was this one: "Jone KNUCKEY, wife of Christavar KNUCKEY, buried in the church" November 28, 1684 Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Frendo" <catherinefrendo@hotmail.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane Duncalf nee Knuckey (1600's) > > > > I have found the burial of my 7x Great Grandmother Jane Duncalf nee > Knuckley > > > > > > Parish: > > Helston > > > Date: > > 28-Aug 1696 > > > Name: > > Jane DUNCALF > > > Age: > > > > > Residence: > > > > > Register notes: > > buried in the church > > > Transcriber Notes: > > ref: 2PR-p.161 > > > Transcriber: > > Don Carkyk > > As she was buried in the church does that mean that she came from a > notable family. Were the Duncalfs an important family or was Jane a > descendant of an important family? Jane was the daughter of Christopher > Knuckey and Ann Halls. > > I have found a Sir Nicholas Hallse but cannot find any connection. > > Any information would be much appreciated. > > > Thankyou in advance from your help. > > Cheers, > Catherine > Sydney, Australia > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

RALPH GOLDSWORTHY Hi Listers. I'm seeking help in locating information on a couple of generations of the GOLDSWORTHY family: John Arthur GOLDSWORTHY married my 2nd Great-Gran Aunt, Mary SHEER. I've been able to establish from their marriage certificate that they were married in the Wesleyan Chapel at St Austell John Arthur was a Sailor, bap: 1833 Wesleyan Methodist Tywardreath, his parents were Ralph GOLDSWORTHY and Mary ARTHUR who married in 1831 at Gwennap, Ralph Snr was also a Sailor, I've only been able to locate 1 other child for Ralph GOLDSWORTHY and Mary ARTHUR and she is Eliza Ann GOLDSWORTHY bap: 1835 Wesleyan Methodist Tywardreath. The only Ralph GOLDSWORTHY I've been able to locate around the right time frame is a Ralph GOLDSWORTHY Bap: 1808 at Camborne and his parents are John GOLDSWORTHY, a Miner and Mary BATTRALL mar: 1805 at Camborne and were living at Wendron, but I don't know if this is the right Ralph GOLDSWORTHY and parents. I haven't been able to locate any of these families in the Census. Can anyone out there shed some light on these families Happy Days, John Griffiths Newcastle NSW

Hi, Sorry that I can't add anything to this, but in my family I think that many of the people who name fathers on their marriage certificate, or have them named on their death certificates, aren't the ones who were lying...it is what they have been told by their mothers. It still happens! :-) Jan South Australia "A William Shugg may be his father, or he has lied on his marriage record,"

Hi Keith My understanding is that Harold Hitchins Shugg was the illegitimate son of Eliza Rosewarne Shugg, born 18 Dec 1890, Treskellard, Illogan. Eliza married John Mugford Jan-Mar 1896, Redruth R.D. (John Mugford born Oct-Dec 1860 Blackawton (Bideford RD) Devon. Unable to find death registrations for Eliza or John, so they may have emigrated to North America, as 2 sons fought in WW1 as USA and Canadian servicemen. I havn't seen Harold's birth registration to know whether a father is named. A William Shugg may be his father, or he has lied on his marriage record, Notes that I have for Harold Hitchins Shugg. Emigrated to the USA, and had a WW1 Draft registration Card issued showing his residence as Houghten, Michigan. He was a resident of Painesdale, and an engineer at the time of his marriage. Witnesses were: Ernest Hitchens of Painesdale, and Myrtle Davey of Calumnet. He died in October 1971, at age 80 in Houghten, Michigan. Harold married Hazel M. Davey born c. 1893 Norway, Michigan, USA. Her parents were Cornish, James Henry Davey and Charlotte Carbis who married Oct-Dec 1887 Redruth RD. I don't know of any children Harold and Hazel may have had, or when she died. Regards, Rowena -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Foster Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 7:00 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. Hopefully someone may be able to help here. Harold Hitchings Shugg born Illogen 1890. Record in BDM In the 1891 census he appears as a grandson David Shugg head Margareta wife Eliza Shugg daughter Harold H Shugg grandson >From other records I have concluded Eliza is Eliza Rosewarne Shugg. I have never had a problem with these records until now. Harold Hitchings Shugg married Hazel Davey in Michigan 20/12/1919 and gave his parents as William Shugg and Eliza Rosewarne. Either Harold has lied on his marriage certificate or the census for 1891 should read Eliza as a daughter in law, however to my knowledge David and Margareta never had a son William. My guess is that the marriage certificate is wrong Regards Keith ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15540) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hopefully someone may be able to help here. Harold Hitchings Shugg born Illogen 1890. Record in BDM In the 1891 census he appears as a grandson David Shugg head Margareta wife Eliza Shugg daughter Harold H Shugg grandson >From other records I have concluded Eliza is Eliza Rosewarne Shugg. I have never had a problem with these records until now. Harold Hitchings Shugg married Hazel Davey in Michigan 20/12/1919 and gave his parents as William Shugg and Eliza Rosewarne. Either Harold has lied on his marriage certificate or the census for 1891 should read Eliza as a daughter in law, however to my knowledge David and Margareta never had a son William. My guess is that the marriage certificate is wrong Regards Keith ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15540) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Is anyone researching the BROWN surname from Tintagel?  One of my brick walls is Mary Ann BROWN born c 1789 judging by census returns and her death certificate. All census returns give her birthplace as Tintagel but there is no entry for her in the baptismal register.  She married Richard LANGDON in Lanteglos by Camelford in 1817.  Richard and Mary Ann's children were Mary Ann (1818), William (1821), Samuel (1823), Thomas (1827), Richard (1832) and Eliza Jane (1837).  The youngest daughter, Eliza Jane, gave her oldest daughter, Bessie, the middle name Brown so maybe that is a clue that her grandmother was Elizabeth Brown? Another possible clue is that there is a visitor, Mary TINNEY aged 6, staying with them in the 1841 census.  I think this is the Mary Ann TINNEY baptised 22 Apr 1834 in the Camelford Wesleyan chapel, daughter of Mary TINNEY.  I have done a bit of investigtion and I think Mary TINNEY (the mother) was the sister of Edward TINNEY who married Grace BROWN at Tintagel in 1838.  In the 1851census Grace is a widow and she and her children are living with parents William (aged 72) and Elizabeth BROWN at Treknow, Tintagel.  William gives his birthplace as Tintagel but unfortunately I can't find a baptism for him either.  I wondered if Mary Ann Langdon was possibly an aunt of Grace Tinney and that was the connection to Mary Tinney.  Of course, little Mary Tinney may just have been a playmate of 4 year old Eliza Jane Langdon.  Any help gratefully received. Regards, Joy

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 10 October 1851 LOCAL INTELLIGENCE ECCLESIASTICAL - The REV. JOHN M. COLLINS has been presented to the living of Sancreed, by the Dean and Chapter of Exeter. The Chapter, it is said, with a laudable desire to uphold the character of the Exeter clergy, have resolved on reserving all livings under a certain value, to reward the parochial clergy of Exeter, where the stipends are very small. The rev. gentleman is held in high respect by his parishioners, with whom he has passed a good and blameless life. BELL RINGING A ringing match came off at Duloe, on Tuesday last, when the first prize was awarded to the ringers of St. Neot, the second to those of Menheniot, the third to those of Blisland, and the fourth to those of Lanreath. TRURO INSTITUTION On Friday evening last, at the Assembly-room, MR. H. NICHOLLS, of London, gave dramatic readings from Talfourd's "Ion". It was announced that on the following Friday evening, the 10th instant, he will give readings from the "Merchant of Venice." ROYAL CORNWALL POLYTECHNIC SOCIETY - We are informed that among the specimens of Fine Art to be exhibited at the coming Polytechnic Exhibition at Falmouth, will be some very fine paintings by Sir JOSHUA REYNOLDS. These will be the more interesting as we do not remember seeing original specimens of the works of this master at any of the former exhibitions of the society. Samples of the new British Cotton and its manufactures, with the Chevalier CLAUSSEN's method of preparing it, will be explained and illustrated by experiments on flax grown in this county. The experiment of FOUCAULT, by which the rotation of the earth on its axis is made visible is to be shown, in the manner which attracted so much attention in Paris, and subsequently in London, Dublin, and Liverpool, and several other novelties are expected to add much to the interest of the Exhibition. Invitations have been sent to ladies and gentlemen to act as judges in the different departments. FALMOUTH Among the arrivals here this week is the "NEPTUNE" of London, 700 tons burden, Henderson master, last from Plymouth, bound to Sydney, with emigrants and a general cargo. She sailed the 26th ult., and prosecuted her voyage in lat. 46 46 N., and long. 10 0 W, when she met on the 1st instant with strong gales from the W.S.W., and whilst under close-reefed topsails with a heavy sea on, at three a.m. she carried away the fore and maintopmasts, all three topgallantmasts, and foretopgallantyard, bobstays, and rigging, and seriously split her courses and topsails, which so crippled her as to compel their bearing up for this harbour to repair and refit. Although she has besides her crew twenty-six passengers, no casualty has occurred to any one on board. The barque "ENMORE," of Newcastle, HINDE master, from Alexandria, for orders, with Indian corn, has also arrived with damage, having encountered a severe gale on the 30th ult., in which she sprang a serious leak, during which her pumps became choked to such extent that at one time there was six feet of water in the hold. The barque "HAROLD" of Plymouth, TURNBULL, master, from Taganrog, for this port under orders, has on board Capt. CRAIGIE and crew of the brig "QUEBEC" of KIRKALDY, from Galatz, bound here for orders with a cargo of Indian corn, which vessel was struck by a heavy sea and thrown on her beam ends on the 1st instant, and abandoned on the 3rd in latitude 44 10 N., longitude 9 10 SW. SCILLY The salved part of the cargo of olive oil of the Neapolitan brig "SAN GIOGIO" Captain F. Romano, was landed and stored on the 3rd instant, when it was found that out of the original cargo amounting to two hundred and eighty-five casks, there were two hundred and sixty-six landed, of which four were found empty, and several not quite full. LAUNCESTON COUNTY COURT This court was held on Wednesday last, before Mr. W. M. PRAED. There were thirty-three cases entered on the list, but none of them were of much interest. There was a case of assault - BRIGHTEN v. SHEPHERD, which was tried by jury, and occupied the court a considerable time. Verdict for the defendant. The high bailiff of Launceston also sued the high bailiff of Liskeard for fees due to him as such high bailiff, for service of process in the Launceston district, issued out of the Liskeard county court. It appeared that plaintiff had made repeated applications to defendant for those fees without receiving any answer from him, which compelled him to take the present course. His Honor, after hearing the case, which occupied several hours, reserved judgment until next court. OAKLEY BRIGHTEN applied for and obtained protection at this court. LISKEARD COUNTY COURT This court was held on Tuesday last, before Mr. G. G. KEKEWICH. There were thirty-five cases entered, but none of them were of any importance, with the exception of the case of Isaac v. Wyld, which was an action, brought by Mr. JOHN CLARK ISAAC, an iron merchant of Liskeard, for GBP 50 for goods supplied to Herod's Coombe mine, against Mr. JAMES WYLD, M.P., he being a shareholder in that mine. Mr. R. HINGSTON, jun., appeared for plaintiff, and Mr. CHILDS for the defendant. On the case being called, Mr. Childs took an objection to the judges jurisdiction, on the ground that the plaintiff was owed a sum of GBP 98 15s. 2d., instead of GBP 50. The objection was immediately overruled, the plaintiff having, at the time of application for the summons, abandoned the excess. The defendant pleaded the general issue, payment, accord, and satisfaction, and release. [Testimony was taken, and Mr. Childs again stated that plaintiff should have sued for the full amount, and therefore the case should be thrown out.] The court held that inasmuch as the plaintiff had abandoned the excess, that was sufficient, but that for the future it would be advisable to file a bill of particulars for the full amount, and prove only for the sum sought to be recovered. His Honor then gave judgment for the plaintiff for GBP 50, in discharge of the sum of GBP 98 15s. 2d., being the amount due at the time the action was brought. Mr. Childs applied for a case for the purpose of carrying the cause into superior court. His Honor said that the case was very clear against the defendant, and he did not see the use of the application. 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There were no Coroner's Inquests as such. .................................................................................................................................................................................... Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org I'm a volunteer for FreeCens - why don't you join, too?

John, Mary, John & Eliza are also in the 1851 Census in Well Road, Tywardreath, with Ann Arthur and transcribed as GOLSWORTHY! Can send further information if you require it. Regards, Peter

John, 1841 Census details in Tywardreath Village, Tywardreath as below: ARTHUR, Ann F 55 1786 Cornwall ARTHUR, Jane F 20 1821 Cornwall ARTHUR, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Cornwall ARTHUR, Caroline F 10 1831 Cornwall GOLSWORTHY, Mary F 30 1811 Cornwall GOLSWORTHY, John M 7 1834 Cornwall GOLSWORTHY, Eliza F 5 1836 Cornwall I assume Ralph had died or was elsewhere. Peter Harris Hi Listers. I'm seeking help in locating information on a couple of generations of the GOLDSWORTHY family: John Arthur was a Sailor, bap: 1833 Wesleyan Methodist Tywardreath, his parents were Ralph GOLDSWORTHY and Mary ARTHUR who married in 1831 at Gwennap, Ralph Snr was also a Sailor, I've only been able to locate 1 other child for Ralph GOLDSWORTHY and Mary ARTHUR and she is Eliza Ann GOLDSWORTHY bap: 1835 Wesleyan Methodist Tywardreath. Can anyone out there shed some light on these families Happy Days, John Griffiths Newcastle NSW

Hi I wasn't sure what list to ask but i am subscribed to this one so i thought it would be the best. Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? Jacquie

The West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. October 3, 1851. {Friday} BIRTHS. At Point, in the parish of Feock, on the 25th ult., the wife of Mr. Richard CHELLOW, of a daughter. At Trevarthen, in the parish of St. Hilary, on Monday last, the wife of Mr. Henry LAITY, of a daughter. At St. Day, on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. John DOWNING, of a son. At Gwinear, the wife of Mr. Philip MADDREN, of a daughter. At Hayle, the wife of Capt. James BERRY, of the "George," of a son; and on Saturday last, the wife of Mr. John SMITH, of a son. At Blue Anchor, in the parish of St. Enoder, on the 18th ult., the wife of Mr. William MANHIRE, of a son. At St. Austell, on Sunday last,the wife of Mr. W. HANCOCK, auctioneer, of a daughter. At Camelford, lately, the wife of Mr. CARTWRIGHT, Wesleyan Association minister, of a daughter. At Chudleigh, on the 25th ult., the wife of the Rev. G. MOYLE, of a son. At Camden Town, London, on Monday last, the wife of Mr. Richard COLEKIN, of a son. MARRIAGES At Truro, on the 24th ult., Mr. RANDALL, sen., pipe-maker, to Mrs. ROWE. At St. Issey, on the 23rd ult., George Browne COLLINS, Esq., solicitor, of St. Columb, to Anna Susan, second daughter of the Rev. Francis COLE, vicar of St. Issey. In London, on the 24th ult.,the Rev. J. H. TUCKER, to Anne, eldest daughter of the late Mr. Samuel WILTON, of St. Mabyn, in this county. At the Scotch Church, Regent Square, London, on the 16th ult., by the Rev. J. H. HINTON, the Rev. J. T. ROGERS, of Ebenezer Chapel, Margate, to Ann Drew, eldest daughter of the late Mr. J. M. READ, of Helston, in this county, and Pontypool, Monmouthshire. At Brompton, on Saturday last, Weston T. TUXFORD, Esq., of Brompton, to Amelia Jane, youngest daughter of the late Joseph ROGERSON, Esq., of Elm Bank House, Barnes, Surrey. DEATHS At his residence, Truro, on Monday last, Admiral TANCOCK, in the 82nd year of his age. At Truro, on Sunday last, Robert Young, infant son of Mr. S.P. COCK. At Tresillian, on Monday last, the wife of Mr. MITCHELL, of the Wheel Inn, aged 39 years. At St. Mary's, Scilly, on the 25th ult., Stephen, son of Mr. James HICKS, aged 18 years. At Causeway-head, Penzance, on the 24th ult., Mr. John NICHOLLS, aged 81 years. At Wherry-town, on the 20th ult., Mr. John OSBORNE, aged 79 years. At Penzance, on the 20th ult., Mr. William THOMAS, mine agent, aged 78 years; on the 25th, the infant daughter of Mr. Humphry DAVY; and on Friday last, Mr. Frederick MOON, aged 38 years. At Carnyorth, in the parish of St. Just in Penwith, on the 25th ult., the wife of Mr. Thomas DANIEL, aged 67 years. At Street-an-Nowan, in the parish of Newlyn, on the 25th ult., Mr. Joseph CARTER, aged 44 years. At Hayle, on the 25th ult., Ann, wife of Mr. William PAYNE, aged 56 years; and on Monday last, the infant daughter of the Rev. E. VIGIS, Wesleyan Minister. At St. Austell, on Saturday last, Ann Bowden, only daughter of Mr. Thomas TALLACK, aged 15 years; and on Monday, Ann, wife of the Rev. William SECCOMBE, Wesleyan Minister, aged 48 years. At Great Polgooth, on Saturday last, suddenly, Mr. John PHILLIPS, aged 58 years. At Pentewan, on Friday last, whither he had gone for the benefit of his health, Mr. Woodman GROSE, draper, of Bodmin. At Bodmin, on Friday last, James KEMPTHORNE, Esq., aged 72 years. At Port Looe House, near Looe, on the 25th ult., Capt. Charles WALCOTT, R.N., aged 53 years. At Lanlivery, on Monday last, Mrs. Eliza WHITE. At Camelford, on Sunday last, Elizabeth, daughter of Mr. COOMBE, carpenter. At Antony Passage, near Saltash, on the 19th ult., the wife of Mr. George ROBINSON, late boatswain R.N., aged 54 years. At Exeter, on Sunday last, Mrs. ALEXANDER, mother of Mr. ALEXANDER, optician, of that city, aged 86 years. At Barnstaple, on the 16th ult., Mr. James PARMINTER, of the firm of Avery and Parminter, of the West of England cloth establishment, Barnstaple, aged 35 years. At Ridgway, on the 21st ult., Joseph Prideaux, only son of the late Mr. John THOMAS, formerly of St. Austell. At 36 Tavistock Square, London, on Saturday last, Lucy Mary LAWRENCE, niece of Mr. Alderman LAWRENCE, aged 15 years.

Hi Jacquie I have ordered two recently from the GRO and both have arrived in Australia EARLIER than I expected. They were obviously sent before the stated despatch date. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacquie Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 3:28 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates Hi I wasn't sure what list to ask but i am subscribed to this one so i thought it would be the best. Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? Jacquie ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We can now unravel some of these questions. From my own research I was fairly sure they were not Shugg's, the only reference to Shugg is Matilda who was baptised Matilda Shugg Thomas 10 May 1882. They have to be Thomas's children of Francis and Adelaide. Starting from Rowena's family of Francis Thomas and Elizabeth Jane Shugg , all the birth and baptism dates are correct. Francis Thomas Shugg from the above family married Adelaide Heddon June quarter 1894. In census records and baptism records of her children, Adelaide is recorded as Ida. In 1901 census for 81 Gabriel Street St Ives we find Francis Thomas aged 49 wall mason Elizabeth Thomas aged 49 Hannibal Thomas aged 16 (1885) Grace Thomas aged 22 (1878) Matilda S Thomas aged 19 (1882) Next door at 80 Gabriel Street we find Francis Thomas born 1870 wall mason Ida Thomas born 1871 Ada Thomas born 1896 Matilda S Thomas born 1897 baptised 1899 as Matilda Shugg Thomas Lizzie Thomas born 1900 baptised as Elizabeth James Thomas. In 1911 at Street An Garrow we find Francis Thomas Elizabeth Jans Thomas All children have left. In June quarter 1907 we have Matilda Shugg Thomas marrying Humphrey Geen (note not Green) but they have disappeared by 1911 as it appears the siblings of Matilda. Humphrey and Matilda appear in the 1920 and 1930 census for Michigan. Humphrey appears to have emigrated in 1907 and the rest of the family in 1909 although it appears they went back and forth often. There was a daughter Matilda Thomas Geen born in St Ives in 1908 all other children were born in Michigan. I am investigating whether Grace and Elizabeth went to America with Matilda but have not finished that yet. Regards Keith -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough Sent: Friday, 16 July 2010 8:53 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Monumental Inscription Problem - Lelant, Carbis Bay Dear Folks, Really confused and having trouble with Shugg or Thomas monumental inscriptions from the Lelant - Longstones Cemetery, Carbis Bay. From the West Penwith site: http://west-penwith.org.uk/longmi1.htm The preceding note on the website said: This is an index done by one person and will, inevitably contain errors, particularly as, in this case, the transcript was done with a voice recording and spelling errors will have occurred. Monumental Inscription below: Shugg - Elizabeth Jane Thomas 18/3/1983 aged 85; Grace Thomas, her sister, 23/10/1986 aged 84; her sister, Matilda Shugg 5/2/1996 aged 96 I don't believe these dates can be correct below. I wondered if there is a way to check these inscriptions? The names seem to be too close a match to the family below to be a coincidence. They appear to have mixed up the surname's Shugg and Thomas as well as dates. These women were the daughters of the couple below: Elizabeth Jane Shugg born 4 May 1851 St Ives, married Francis Thomas, mariner, born Apr-Jun 1851, St Ives, Cornwall, between Jul - Sept 1871, Penzance Reg Dist. Children of Elizabeth Jane Shugg and Francis Thomas: 1. Francis Thomas Shugg, born 29 Jan 1870, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives (born before his parents married and registered under mother's maiden name) 2. Elizabeth Jane Thomas born 16 May 1873, bapt. 3 Nov 1875, St Ives. 3. Grace Shugg Thomas born 22 Nov 1878, bapt. 1 Jan 1879, St Ives 4. Matilda Shugg Thomas born 2 Mar 1882, and bapt. 10 May 1882, St Ives. She married Humphrey Green (b. 1877, St Ives) in 1907, St Ives, and they emigrated to Michigan, USA. 5. Hannibal Thomas born Apr-Jun 1885, St Ives, Cornwall 6. Margaret Thomas born Oct-Dec 1890, St Ives, Cornwall So, you can see from the birth dates of the girls above that the ages of the monumental inscriptions don't match up. Elizabeth Jane would be 110, Grace 108, and Matilda 114. I've looked at deaths on FreeBMD, but again nothing that matches that I can find, and they finish at 1983. I'm wondering if there is any way to confirm the monumental inscription dates and names? Does anyone know of images of the gravestones from the cemetery that might be online? Or (long shot) would anyone possibly live in the area and be able to check the headstone? Any ideas are welcome. As I'm in Australia, I'm limited to working online. Kind regards, Rowena ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15520) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Give it some time. Years ago, they were much quicker, now it takes from 1 week to 4 weeks to get them in the US, at least it did for me. Diane in Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquie" <jacquie.cook@xtra.co.nz> To: <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:28 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > Hi > > I wasn't sure what list to ask but i am subscribed to this one so i > thought it would be the best. > Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not > received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. > > I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. > > Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? > > Jacquie > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jacquie Go to https://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/1292.htm Fill in their complaints form and they will respond with 5 working days. I use it from time to time. Regards Derek   Derek Brooks Goonhavern Cornwall UK CFHS#09920 Cornish Extended Family http://cornish-family.netfirms.com/db1.htm UK Surnames http://www.uk-surnames.com/index.php Cornish-L Surnames http://www.cornish-surnames.org.uk Cornish Ancestors http://www.cornish-ancestors.info/Researchers/research_index.htm Genes Reunited http://www.genesreunited.co.uk -------Original Message------- From: Jacquie Date: 28/07/2010 08:28:37 To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates Hi I wasn't sure what list to ask but I am subscribed to this one so I thought it would be the best. Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? Jacquie ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They aren't very quick.  I  always put the reference on mine and they are supposed to come back in four working days but I have never received one that quickly.  If you haven't put the reference on they take up to 15 working days which I think is tomorrow counting forward from 8th July.  Then allow for postage delay on top of that.  Their website says they reply to your queries in 5 working days.  Did you use the online complaints form rather than just mailing a general query?  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/contact_us.asp Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: Jacquie <jacquie.cook@xtra.co.nz> To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 28 July, 2010 8:28:20 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates Hi I wasn't sure what list to ask but i am subscribed to this one so i thought it would be the best. Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? Jacquie ------------------------------- Listmom:  ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Some I ordered took a month. Lou

Hello Bob The link below should take you to the announcement of death which was published in the Cornish Guardian on 1 July 2010. http://www.thisisannouncements.co.uk/6013542 It is usually several weeks after a funeral before an obituary is published, if at all. Colin Ward CFHS 10787 On 27 July 2010 21:43, Bob Marhenke <bobmarval@juno.com> wrote: > To the list, > > Can someone tell me how to search for an obituary of my distant Cousin > FLORA MAY JENKIN who passed away in Camborne some where around the last > week in June or the first of July age 84?---Bob Marhenke > ____________________________________________________________ > Project Management Cert > Villanova PMP&#174 & CAPM&#174 Classes. Average Salary For PMPs is $100K > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c4f4509ac3827b6e8m02duc > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >