I know I've taken part in discussions about this before. I thought it was on this list but cant find the reference. The reason the vestry tried to limit the practice may have been because it was considered a health risk. I believe there was an act of Parliament banning it, some time around 1812. J On 31 Jul 2010, at 22:25, <jwmos99@msn.com> <jwmos99@msn.com> wrote: > > The book is "A Cornish Parish; being an Account of St. Austell > town,church, district and people" by Canon Joseph HAMMOND, 1897. > It's on Google books, for free. Larry Treverton kindly indexed > names in the book, and his index is on my website. He'll do > lookups, or you can look it up using the Google version. > > According to Hammond, in one year of the early 1600's, there were > 13 burials in the church, with 3 of them not from the parish! > Names were recorded, but not "published" as such. He equated the > 3s.4d. charge then as being equivalent to about one pound in 1897, > but I've no idea if that's correct. > > During the church rennovations 1839-40, most of the bodies were > removed from the church, and when the churchyard was "remodeled" > for street widening, and the graves removed, all other bodies were > removed. He didn't give great detail, but the bones were reburied > with full ceremony in the new cemetery (I believe in a common > grave), and all the gravestones broken up and put into a pit at the > end of the remaining churchyard, according to the West Briton. > > As for "social prominence", I've noted that particular names in the > parish registers, from the 1600's on, would have the designation > "Mr." or "Mrs.", and some very few "Esq." or "Gent." At the least, > it certainly indicates a level of respect. (In St. Austell, there > weren't Lords and their ladies, or anyone near that level of Society.) > > Hope you look up the book, and enjoy reading it - > > Julia > > Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn > Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell > W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http:// > freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad > Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:11 -0500 >> From: >> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Knuckey & Halls - burial in the church >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hi All - >> >> At least in St. Austell's Holy Trinity, whoever paid the going >> rate (at one point, 3s.4d.) could be buried in the church, so >> whether one was included was based on ability to pay, rather than >> social prominence. In one year, 35 people were thusly buried. The >> vestry raised the rate eventually to GBP50, in an effort to deter >> such requests - and finally had to remove all the bodies because >> the structure was weakened!! (It didn't help to have clay wagons, >> carrying up to 4 tons, rumbling past day and night.) >> >> This information came from a book written in 1897 by the Vicar >> (Hammond) who loved the old records, and was afraid they'd be lost >> if he didn't record them. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Julia >> > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The book is "A Cornish Parish; being an Account of St. Austell town,church, district and people" by Canon Joseph HAMMOND, 1897. It's on Google books, for free. Larry Treverton kindly indexed names in the book, and his index is on my website. He'll do lookups, or you can look it up using the Google version. According to Hammond, in one year of the early 1600's, there were 13 burials in the church, with 3 of them not from the parish! Names were recorded, but not "published" as such. He equated the 3s.4d. charge then as being equivalent to about one pound in 1897, but I've no idea if that's correct. During the church rennovations 1839-40, most of the bodies were removed from the church, and when the churchyard was "remodeled" for street widening, and the graves removed, all other bodies were removed. He didn't give great detail, but the bones were reburied with full ceremony in the new cemetery (I believe in a common grave), and all the gravestones broken up and put into a pit at the end of the remaining churchyard, according to the West Briton. As for "social prominence", I've noted that particular names in the parish registers, from the 1600's on, would have the designation "Mr." or "Mrs.", and some very few "Esq." or "Gent." At the least, it certainly indicates a level of respect. (In St. Austell, there weren't Lords and their ladies, or anyone near that level of Society.) Hope you look up the book, and enjoy reading it - Julia Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:11 -0500 > From: > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Knuckey & Halls - burial in the church > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi All - > > At least in St. Austell's Holy Trinity, whoever paid the going rate (at one point, 3s.4d.) could be buried in the church, so whether one was included was based on ability to pay, rather than social prominence. In one year, 35 people were thusly buried. The vestry raised the rate eventually to GBP50, in an effort to deter such requests - and finally had to remove all the bodies because the structure was weakened!! (It didn't help to have clay wagons, carrying up to 4 tons, rumbling past day and night.) > > This information came from a book written in 1897 by the Vicar (Hammond) who loved the old records, and was afraid they'd be lost if he didn't record them. > > Cheers, > > Julia >

Hi Migs When I Googled your Ancestors Name the following came up in South Africa so thought it might be worth following up as there might be a Family connection and South Africa was a place for Gold Miners : Richard Plummer Burgess Tonkin at : http://www.desmond-mcallister.info/Eng/Ancestors/aqwg436.htm Richard Plummer Burgess does not seem to appear in the 1841 England Census. Another good link is : http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~qldhbfha/AusShipImmigr.html Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Migs Eder" <migseder@clear.net.nz> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 30 July 2010 23:10 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] ship Moreton Bay, or destination Moreton Bay > Greetings cousins > > my Cornish sailor, Master Mariner Richard Plummer Burgess, was > sailing in Australian waters by September 1852, when he married in > Sydney. One family memory has just surfaced, saying that he sailed to > Australia in the Moreton Bay. Unfortunately, ships of this name don't > match the dates. > > Possibilities: he went ashore at Moreton Bay. His ship was called > Martin Bay / Marten Bane / something. > > He could have arrived for the gold rush, and been ashore for > months . . . > > I've been puzzling out the details of this man's fascinating life for > several years, and now believe anything is possible. So if you know > your ships, or your goldminers, and can suggest where I look next, > please tell. > > Migs Eder > New Zealand > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 323 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Greetings cousins my Cornish sailor, Master Mariner Richard Plummer Burgess, was sailing in Australian waters by September 1852, when he married in Sydney. One family memory has just surfaced, saying that he sailed to Australia in the Moreton Bay. Unfortunately, ships of this name don't match the dates. Possibilities: he went ashore at Moreton Bay. His ship was called Martin Bay / Marten Bane / something. He could have arrived for the gold rush, and been ashore for months . . . I've been puzzling out the details of this man's fascinating life for several years, and now believe anything is possible. So if you know your ships, or your goldminers, and can suggest where I look next, please tell. Migs Eder New Zealand

Hi Migs, There's a Rootsweb list for Australian Shipping/maritime enquiries where you may get more specialized help. I think it's AUS-Shipping. Maybe worth a try. Cheers, Rowena In Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Migs Eder Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2010 8:11 AM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] ship Moreton Bay, or destination Moreton Bay Greetings cousins my Cornish sailor, Master Mariner Richard Plummer Burgess, was sailing in Australian waters by September 1852, when he married in Sydney. One family memory has just surfaced, saying that he sailed to Australia in the Moreton Bay. Unfortunately, ships of this name don't match the dates. Possibilities: he went ashore at Moreton Bay. His ship was called Martin Bay / Marten Bane / something. He could have arrived for the gold rush, and been ashore for months . . . I've been puzzling out the details of this man's fascinating life for several years, and now believe anything is possible. So if you know your ships, or your goldminers, and can suggest where I look next, please tell. Migs Eder New Zealand ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much to all that replied, i finally got an email from the saying it was dispatched on 28 July. It does take ages compare to our New Zealand BMD. It only takes 3 to 5 days. -------------------------------------------------- From: <cornish-gen-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:00 PM To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Subject: CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 294 > > > When replying to a digest message, be sure and highlight ONLY the message > you are quoting and select "reply quoted text" or whatever option you have > in your email program. Please don't quote the entire digest. And don't > forget to change the subject line from "Reply to CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol > X, Issue XXX" with the subject line from the message you are replying to. > > Cornish Volunteer Lookup Library > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/cornishlib/cornishlib.htm > > Online Parish Clerks (OPC) http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > > Questions or assistance: Contact > Yvonne Bowers, Listmom CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Certificates (Jacquie) > 2. Re: Certificates (Louise Gebert) > 3. Re: Certificates (Joy Langdon) > 4. Re: Certificates (Derek Brooks) > 5. Re: Certificates (Pat Banks) > 6. Re: Certificates (Diane Tamulion) > 7. The West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. October 3, 1851. > B.M.D.'s (William Kemp) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:28:20 +1200 > From: "Jacquie" <jacquie.cook@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > To: <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <ACFFBB5B518E41529690A76C120983E4@JacquiePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > > I wasn't sure what list to ask but i am subscribed to this one so i > thought it would be the best. > Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not > received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. > > I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. > > Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? > > Jacquie > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:42:51 -0800 > From: Louise Gebert <ourtree@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d0278bd247ae5.4c4f7d0b@shaw.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi > > > Some I ordered took a month. > > > Lou > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:43:51 +0000 (GMT) > From: Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <633096.89196.qm@web86004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > They aren't very quick.? I? always put the reference on mine and they are > supposed to come back in four working days but I have never received one > that > quickly.? If you haven't put the reference?on they take up to 15 working > days > which I think is tomorrow counting forward from 8th July.? Then allow for > postage delay on top of that.? Their website says they reply to your > queries in > 5 working days.? > > > Did you use the online complaints form rather than just mailing a general > query?? > > > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/contact_us.asp > > Regards, > > Joy > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jacquie <jacquie.cook@xtra.co.nz> > To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, 28 July, 2010 8:28:20 > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > > Hi > > I wasn't sure what list to ask but i am subscribed to this one so i > thought it > would be the best. > Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not > received > it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. > > > I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. > > Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? > > Jacquie > ------------------------------- > Listmom:? ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:47:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) > From: "Derek Brooks" <derek_brooks@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4C4FEE7A.000008.01576@DEREK-BROOKS> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Jacquie > > > > Go to https://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/1292.htm > > > > Fill in their complaints form and they will respond with 5 working days. > > > > I use it from time to time. > > > > Regards > > > > Derek > > > > > > > > ? ? > > Derek Brooks > > Goonhavern > > Cornwall > > UK > > > > CFHS#09920 > > > > Cornish Extended Family > > http://cornish-family.netfirms.com/db1.htm > > > > > > UK Surnames > > http://www.uk-surnames.com/index.php > > > > > > Cornish-L Surnames > > http://www.cornish-surnames.org.uk > > > > Cornish Ancestors > > http://www.cornish-ancestors.info/Researchers/research_index.htm > > > > Genes Reunited > > http://www.genesreunited.co.uk > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Jacquie > > Date: 28/07/2010 08:28:37 > > To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > > > > Hi > > > > I wasn't sure what list to ask but I am subscribed to this one so I > thought > it would be the best. > > Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not > received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. > > > > I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. > > > > Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? > > > > Jacquie > > ------------------------------- > > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:23:12 +0800 > From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E64FBBB5143949808D39D6D3777796AD@HPStudy> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Jacquie > > I have ordered two recently from the GRO and both have arrived in > Australia > EARLIER than I expected. They were obviously sent before the stated > despatch date. > > Cheers > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacquie > Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 3:28 PM > To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > > Hi > > I wasn't sure what list to ask but i am subscribed to this one so i > thought > it would be the best. > Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not > received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. > > I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. > > Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? > > Jacquie > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:59:46 -0500 > From: "Diane Tamulion" <d.tamulion@att.net> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E8F97F3351044B3182178387F7FA8609@dianePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Give it some time. Years ago, they were much quicker, now it takes from 1 > week to 4 weeks to get them in the US, at least it did for me. > Diane in Wisconsin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacquie" <jacquie.cook@xtra.co.nz> >To: <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:28 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Certificates > > >> Hi >> >> I wasn't sure what list to ask but i am subscribed to this one so i >> thought it would be the best. >> Has anyone sent for a certificate from General register office and not >> received it. I ordered one on the 8th July and haven't received it. >> >> I have sent them an email but haven't received a answer either. >> >> Has anyone else had the same problem and what did they do about it? >> >> Jacquie >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:55:54 -0400 > From: "William Kemp" <KEMP8269@roadrunner.com> > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] The West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. > October 3, 1851. B.M.D.'s > To: <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Cc: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <81E56DE7336A4E8D97AC9068164E2A78@BillPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. October 3, 1851. {Friday} > > BIRTHS. > > At Point, in the parish of Feock, on the 25th ult., the wife of Mr. > Richard CHELLOW, of a daughter. > > At Trevarthen, in the parish of St. Hilary, on Monday last, the wife of > Mr. Henry LAITY, of a daughter. > > At St. Day, on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. John DOWNING, of a son. > > At Gwinear, the wife of Mr. Philip MADDREN, of a daughter. > > At Hayle, the wife of Capt. James BERRY, of the "George," of a son; and on > Saturday last, the wife of Mr. John SMITH, of a son. > > At Blue Anchor, in the parish of St. Enoder, on the 18th ult., the wife of > Mr. William MANHIRE, of a son. > > At St. Austell, on Sunday last,the wife of Mr. W. HANCOCK, auctioneer, of > a daughter. > > At Camelford, lately, the wife of Mr. CARTWRIGHT, Wesleyan Association > minister, of a daughter. > > At Chudleigh, on the 25th ult., the wife of the Rev. G. MOYLE, of a son. > > At Camden Town, London, on Monday last, the wife of Mr. Richard COLEKIN, > of a son. > > MARRIAGES > > At Truro, on the 24th ult., Mr. RANDALL, sen., pipe-maker, to Mrs. ROWE. > > At St. Issey, on the 23rd ult., George Browne COLLINS, Esq., solicitor, of > St. Columb, to Anna Susan, second daughter of the Rev. Francis COLE, vicar > of St. Issey. > > In London, on the 24th ult.,the Rev. J. H. TUCKER, to Anne, eldest > daughter of the late Mr. Samuel WILTON, of St. Mabyn, in this county. > > At the Scotch Church, Regent Square, London, on the 16th ult., by the Rev. > J. H. HINTON, the Rev. J. T. ROGERS, of Ebenezer Chapel, Margate, to Ann > Drew, eldest daughter of the late Mr. J. M. READ, of Helston, in this > county, and Pontypool, Monmouthshire. > > At Brompton, on Saturday last, Weston T. TUXFORD, Esq., of Brompton, to > Amelia Jane, youngest daughter of the late Joseph ROGERSON, Esq., of Elm > Bank House, Barnes, Surrey. > > DEATHS > > At his residence, Truro, on Monday last, Admiral TANCOCK, in the 82nd year > of his age. > > At Truro, on Sunday last, Robert Young, infant son of Mr. S.P. COCK. > > At Tresillian, on Monday last, the wife of Mr. MITCHELL, of the Wheel Inn, > aged 39 years. > > At St. Mary's, Scilly, on the 25th ult., Stephen, son of Mr. James HICKS, > aged 18 years. > > At Causeway-head, Penzance, on the 24th ult., Mr. John NICHOLLS, aged 81 > years. > > At Wherry-town, on the 20th ult., Mr. John OSBORNE, aged 79 years. > > At Penzance, on the 20th ult., Mr. William THOMAS, mine agent, aged 78 > years; on the 25th, the infant daughter of Mr. Humphry DAVY; and on Friday > last, Mr. Frederick MOON, aged 38 years. > > At Carnyorth, in the parish of St. Just in Penwith, on the 25th ult., the > wife of Mr. Thomas DANIEL, aged 67 years. > > At Street-an-Nowan, in the parish of Newlyn, on the 25th ult., Mr. Joseph > CARTER, aged 44 years. > > At Hayle, on the 25th ult., Ann, wife of Mr. William PAYNE, aged 56 years; > and on Monday last, the infant daughter of the Rev. E. VIGIS, Wesleyan > Minister. > > At St. Austell, on Saturday last, Ann Bowden, only daughter of Mr. Thomas > TALLACK, aged 15 years; and on Monday, Ann, wife of the Rev. William > SECCOMBE, Wesleyan Minister, aged 48 years. > > At Great Polgooth, on Saturday last, suddenly, Mr. John PHILLIPS, aged 58 > years. > > At Pentewan, on Friday last, whither he had gone for the benefit of his > health, Mr. Woodman GROSE, draper, of Bodmin. > > At Bodmin, on Friday last, James KEMPTHORNE, Esq., aged 72 years. > > At Port Looe House, near Looe, on the 25th ult., Capt. Charles WALCOTT, > R.N., aged 53 years. > > At Lanlivery, on Monday last, Mrs. Eliza WHITE. > > At Camelford, on Sunday last, Elizabeth, daughter of Mr. COOMBE, > carpenter. > > At Antony Passage, near Saltash, on the 19th ult., the wife of Mr. George > ROBINSON, late boatswain R.N., aged 54 years. > > At Exeter, on Sunday last, Mrs. ALEXANDER, mother of Mr. ALEXANDER, > optician, of that city, aged 86 years. > > At Barnstaple, on the 16th ult., Mr. James PARMINTER, of the firm of Avery > and Parminter, of the West of England cloth establishment, Barnstaple, > aged 35 years. > > At Ridgway, on the 21st ult., Joseph Prideaux, only son of the late Mr. > John THOMAS, formerly of St. Austell. > > At 36 Tavistock Square, London, on Saturday last, Lucy Mary LAWRENCE, > niece of Mr. Alderman LAWRENCE, aged 15 years. > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CORNISH-GEN list administrator, send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CORNISH-GEN mailing list, send an email to > CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 294 > *******************************************

From lists published that summer the two regimental bases for the 2nd West India Regiment at the time were Chatham and Demerara. Found evidence of a Mercia with Capt McKenzie, plying between Liverpool and Demerara earlier in the year but also one going to and from Calcutta. Don't have the patience to work out the dates and whether this means there were two ships of the same name. But if Reed was meant to be in Demerara, where did they pick him up?. It doesn't actually say he was in Jamaica just that he was from there. Was he simply further along the Guyana coast? Sounds to me that carousing of some sort might have been involved and the next morning they weighed anchor and took off with him still on board, either as a joke or out of malice. Or perhaps they just didn't notice. If he went on board at Demerara, why didnt he say so? All quite intriguing. J On 30 Jul 2010, at 17:38, Mary Hester wrote: > Thanks for that Judy, it now makes far more sense even if I am > disappointed > that he was not an illegal immigrant. > > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "judy olsen" <copywriter@tesco.net> > To: "Mary Hester" <mhester@tiscali.co.uk>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 30 July 2010 15:55 > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] [CORNISH] West Briton weekly news, 10 > Oct 1851 > Local Intelligence - GUILDHALL, FALMOUTH > > >> No there isn't, but no there weren't. This is not about someone >> trying to >> get into the country, which as far as I know he could have done >> perfectly >> lawfully. >> >> The Jamaican man was the complainant. His story is corroborated >> by the >> fact he tried to rejoin the army. Why on earth would he do that >> if he was >> not genuine? The hearing was farcical, since the captain and crew >> were >> hardly going to give evidence against themselves. >> >> He was then kept in custody, while his story was checked. Surely >> the time >> to do that would be before the hearing. Put another way, why >> check if his >> story was deemed false, and why keep him in custody, since if he was >> lying about being in the army it would be impossible for him to be a >> deserter. >> >> No, there are only two ways of interpreting the story. Either the >> word of >> a white man was worth more than that of a black man, or the >> magistrates >> were perfectly aware that REED was telling the truth, or simply >> disinclined to punish the perpetrators, despite the severity of the >> offence. >> >> Judy >> >> >> >> >> On 30 Jul 2010, at 14:23, Mary Hester wrote: >> >>> It was interesting to see that there were illegal immigrants in >>> 1851. >>> The >>> saying that there is nothing new under the Sun is true! >>> >>> Mary >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <jwmos99@msn.com> >>> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: 30 July 2010 00:09 >>> Subject: [CORNISH] West Briton weekly news, 10 Oct 1851 Local >>> Intelligence >>> >>> >>>> >>>> WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER >>>> >>>> 10 October 1851 >>>> >>>> GUILDHALL, FALMOUTH >>>> On Saturday last, JOHN REED, a black man, was brought before the >>>> magistrates for re-examination. >>>> The man stated he was a native of Spanish Town, Jamaica, that he >>>> was >>>> induced to go on board the brig >>>> "MERCIA," Captain McKensey, and after he was on board, the ship >>>> got >>>> under >>>> weigh, and they refused >>>> to put him ashore at Demerara. He further stated that he was a >>>> soldier >>>> of >>>> the 2nd West India >>>> Regiment, and on his coming to this port he got on shore, and >>>> delivered >>>> himself to the 77th regiment, >>>> but being out of that regiment's jurisdiction he was handed >>>> over to the >>>> Civil Department as a deserter, >>>> but as he states, an involuntary one. The captain, in his defence, >>>> stated >>>> that Reed's story was false, >>>> and called his mate and crew, who said the man came on board >>>> of his >>>> own >>>> accord, and they did not >>>> know he was a soldier. The magistrates were satisfied that the >>>> tale was >>>> not corroborated, and >>>> dismissed the complaint of kidnapping, keeping Reed in custody >>>> until an >>>> answer could be received >>>> from the war office. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>> SPAMfighter has removed 322 of my spam emails to date. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> The Professional version does not have this message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >>> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 322 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Judy, it now makes far more sense even if I am disappointed that he was not an illegal immigrant. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" <copywriter@tesco.net> To: "Mary Hester" <mhester@tiscali.co.uk>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 30 July 2010 15:55 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] [CORNISH] West Briton weekly news, 10 Oct 1851 Local Intelligence - GUILDHALL, FALMOUTH > No there isn't, but no there weren't. This is not about someone trying to > get into the country, which as far as I know he could have done perfectly > lawfully. > > The Jamaican man was the complainant. His story is corroborated by the > fact he tried to rejoin the army. Why on earth would he do that if he was > not genuine? The hearing was farcical, since the captain and crew were > hardly going to give evidence against themselves. > > He was then kept in custody, while his story was checked. Surely the time > to do that would be before the hearing. Put another way, why check if his > story was deemed false, and why keep him in custody, since if he was > lying about being in the army it would be impossible for him to be a > deserter. > > No, there are only two ways of interpreting the story. Either the word of > a white man was worth more than that of a black man, or the magistrates > were perfectly aware that REED was telling the truth, or simply > disinclined to punish the perpetrators, despite the severity of the > offence. > > Judy > > > > > On 30 Jul 2010, at 14:23, Mary Hester wrote: > >> It was interesting to see that there were illegal immigrants in 1851. >> The >> saying that there is nothing new under the Sun is true! >> >> Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <jwmos99@msn.com> >> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: 30 July 2010 00:09 >> Subject: [CORNISH] West Briton weekly news, 10 Oct 1851 Local >> Intelligence >> >> >>> >>> WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER >>> >>> 10 October 1851 >>> >>> GUILDHALL, FALMOUTH >>> On Saturday last, JOHN REED, a black man, was brought before the >>> magistrates for re-examination. >>> The man stated he was a native of Spanish Town, Jamaica, that he was >>> induced to go on board the brig >>> "MERCIA," Captain McKensey, and after he was on board, the ship got >>> under >>> weigh, and they refused >>> to put him ashore at Demerara. He further stated that he was a soldier >>> of >>> the 2nd West India >>> Regiment, and on his coming to this port he got on shore, and delivered >>> himself to the 77th regiment, >>> but being out of that regiment's jurisdiction he was handed over to the >>> Civil Department as a deserter, >>> but as he states, an involuntary one. The captain, in his defence, >>> stated >>> that Reed's story was false, >>> and called his mate and crew, who said the man came on board of his >>> own >>> accord, and they did not >>> know he was a soldier. The magistrates were satisfied that the tale was >>> not corroborated, and >>> dismissed the complaint of kidnapping, keeping Reed in custody until an >>> answer could be received >>> from the war office. >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 322 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 322 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

No there isn't, but no there weren't. This is not about someone trying to get into the country, which as far as I know he could have done perfectly lawfully. The Jamaican man was the complainant. His story is corroborated by the fact he tried to rejoin the army. Why on earth would he do that if he was not genuine? The hearing was farcical, since the captain and crew were hardly going to give evidence against themselves. He was then kept in custody, while his story was checked. Surely the time to do that would be before the hearing. Put another way, why check if his story was deemed false, and why keep him in custody, since if he was lying about being in the army it would be impossible for him to be a deserter. No, there are only two ways of interpreting the story. Either the word of a white man was worth more than that of a black man, or the magistrates were perfectly aware that REED was telling the truth, or simply disinclined to punish the perpetrators, despite the severity of the offence. Judy On 30 Jul 2010, at 14:23, Mary Hester wrote: > It was interesting to see that there were illegal immigrants in > 1851. The > saying that there is nothing new under the Sun is true! > > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jwmos99@msn.com> > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 30 July 2010 00:09 > Subject: [CORNISH] West Briton weekly news, 10 Oct 1851 Local > Intelligence > > >> >> WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER >> >> 10 October 1851 >> >> GUILDHALL, FALMOUTH >> On Saturday last, JOHN REED, a black man, was brought before the >> magistrates for re-examination. >> The man stated he was a native of Spanish Town, Jamaica, that he was >> induced to go on board the brig >> "MERCIA," Captain McKensey, and after he was on board, the ship >> got under >> weigh, and they refused >> to put him ashore at Demerara. He further stated that he was a >> soldier of >> the 2nd West India >> Regiment, and on his coming to this port he got on shore, and >> delivered >> himself to the 77th regiment, >> but being out of that regiment's jurisdiction he was handed over >> to the >> Civil Department as a deserter, >> but as he states, an involuntary one. The captain, in his defence, >> stated >> that Reed's story was false, >> and called his mate and crew, who said the man came on board of >> his own >> accord, and they did not >> know he was a soldier. The magistrates were satisfied that the >> tale was >> not corroborated, and >> dismissed the complaint of kidnapping, keeping Reed in custody >> until an >> answer could be received >> from the war office. >> > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 322 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

It was interesting to see that there were illegal immigrants in 1851. The saying that there is nothing new under the Sun is true! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <jwmos99@msn.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: 30 July 2010 00:09 Subject: [CORNISH] West Briton weekly news, 10 Oct 1851 Local Intelligence > > WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER > > 10 October 1851 > > GUILDHALL, FALMOUTH > On Saturday last, JOHN REED, a black man, was brought before the > magistrates for re-examination. > The man stated he was a native of Spanish Town, Jamaica, that he was > induced to go on board the brig > "MERCIA," Captain McKensey, and after he was on board, the ship got under > weigh, and they refused > to put him ashore at Demerara. He further stated that he was a soldier of > the 2nd West India > Regiment, and on his coming to this port he got on shore, and delivered > himself to the 77th regiment, > but being out of that regiment's jurisdiction he was handed over to the > Civil Department as a deserter, > but as he states, an involuntary one. The captain, in his defence, stated > that Reed's story was false, > and called his mate and crew, who said the man came on board of his own > accord, and they did not > know he was a soldier. The magistrates were satisfied that the tale was > not corroborated, and > dismissed the complaint of kidnapping, keeping Reed in custody until an > answer could be received > from the war office. > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 322 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Julia, That sounds like an interesting book that you mentioned by Vicar Hammond - is it available to read anywhere? Thanks for a great website, Lorna > > 1. Re: Knuckey & Halls - burial in the church (jwmos99@msn.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:11 -0500 > From: <jwmos99@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Knuckey & Halls - burial in the church > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL111-W37386BBD9E8F477C80ECF9A9AA0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi All - > > At least in St. Austell's Holy Trinity, whoever paid the going rate (at one point, 3s.4d.) could be buried in the church, so whether one was included was based on ability to pay, rather than social prominence. In one year, 35 people were thusly buried. The vestry raised the rate eventually to GBP50, in an effort to deter such requests - and finally had to remove all the bodies because the structure was weakened!! (It didn't help to have clay wagons, carrying up to 4 tons, rumbling past day and night.) > > This information came from a book written in 1897 by the Vicar (Hammond) who loved the old records, and was afraid they'd be lost if he didn't record them. > > Cheers, > > Julia > > Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn > > Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell > > W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad > > Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org > > > From: Catherine Frendo <catherinefrendo@hotmail.com> > > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane Duncalf nee Knuckey (1600's) > > As she was buried in the church does that mean that she came from a notable family. Were the Duncalfs an important family or was Jane a descendant of an important family? Jane was the daughter of Christopher Knuckey and Ann Halls. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Catherine > > Sydney, Australia > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CORNISH-GEN list administrator, send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CORNISH-GEN mailing list, send an email to CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CORNISH-GEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 298 > *******************************************

Many Thanks to the lister who found a marriage and children for the son James Pascoe in South Australia. His age is correct, he names his father as James and two of his daughters have Penhale and Penhall as middle names. I am now looking for deaths in South Australia for James Pascoe and his wife Elizabeth, and death records for son James and his wife Maria. Would someone with the South Australian indexes be able to look up these deaths? Their details in the email history below. I have the Victorian indexes and am happy to return the favour with any research. Kind regards, Rowena In Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 1:39 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] James Pascoe and Eliz Penhall / Penhale Dear Listers I've found Pascoe relative (my GG grandfather's nephew) whose Cornish family believed he came to Australia. I have the Victorian indexes and just checked but no results. I also checked online indexes for New South Wales, Western Australia and for New Zealand, and again no results. Would anyone know of this family, or be able to help in any way? He was a miner in Cornwall, and may have followed work in any of the Commonwealth countries or the USA. I've not been able to trace them beyond the 1861 Census. He was James PASCOE bapt 25 Apr 1825, Ludgvan Cornwall to parents Richard PASCOE and Grace GILLIS. James married Elizabeth PENHALL Jul-Sep 1849 St Austell RD, and they had a son in Cornwall, James born Jul-Sep 1854 St Austell RD. Elizabeth PENHALL (sometimes spelt Penhale) was bapt 28 Oct 1827 Phillack, to parents Thomas PENHALE and Mary GILBART / GILBERT. 1841 census: He is listed living at home with his parents at Currossowe, Ludgvan, Richard, 50, miller, Garce 45, Mary 20, Richard 20 miner, James 15 miner, John 14 miller, William 10, Edward 8. 1851 census: living in Polgooth, St Mewan, James Head 26 tin miner born Illogan, Elizabeth wife 24 born Phillick, Eliza sis-law 21 born Phillick, and Mary Mtr-law 68 born Phillick. 1861 census: living in Carnbrea, Illogan James Head 37 miner born Ludgvan, Elizabeth wife 35 born Pheleich, James son 7 scholar born St Mewan. Many thanks for any assistance. Kind regards to all, Rowena In Melbourne ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hullo Catherine Sorry I pressed the wrong button before I had finished! In Gulval there are numerous people buried in the chancel. The register didn't always say what they were although one was an important dignitary in Penzance, along with his wife. The old vicar was buried under the Communion Table. I think, the more important you were, the nearer you were buried to the altar. I'm talking about the 18th century and earlier. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Banks Sent: Friday, 30 July 2010 8:19 AM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane Duncalf nee Knuckey (1600's) Hullo Catherine When I did the Gulval transcripts I found that the people buried in the church were of some note, not necesarily from the local gentry but people of importance in Penzance. The more important you were, the nearer you were to the altar! -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Frendo Sent: Friday, 30 July 2010 7:44 AM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane Duncalf nee Knuckey (1600's) I have found the burial of my 7x Great Grandmother Jane Duncalf nee Knuckley Parish: Helston Date: 28-Aug 1696 Name: Jane DUNCALF Age: Residence: Register notes: buried in the church Transcriber Notes: ref: 2PR-p.161 Transcriber: Don Carkyk As she was buried in the church does that mean that she came from a notable family. Were the Duncalfs an important family or was Jane a descendant of an important family? Jane was the daughter of Christopher Knuckey and Ann Halls. I have found a Sir Nicholas Hallse but cannot find any connection. Any information would be much appreciated. Thankyou in advance from your help. Cheers, Catherine Sydney, Australia ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hullo Catherine When I did the Gulval transcripts I found that the people buried in the church were of some note, not necesarily from the local gentry but people of importance in Penzance. The more important you were, the nearer you were to the altar! -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Frendo Sent: Friday, 30 July 2010 7:44 AM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane Duncalf nee Knuckey (1600's) I have found the burial of my 7x Great Grandmother Jane Duncalf nee Knuckley Parish: Helston Date: 28-Aug 1696 Name: Jane DUNCALF Age: Residence: Register notes: buried in the church Transcriber Notes: ref: 2PR-p.161 Transcriber: Don Carkyk As she was buried in the church does that mean that she came from a notable family. Were the Duncalfs an important family or was Jane a descendant of an important family? Jane was the daughter of Christopher Knuckey and Ann Halls. I have found a Sir Nicholas Hallse but cannot find any connection. Any information would be much appreciated. Thankyou in advance from your help. Cheers, Catherine Sydney, Australia ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Rowena and Jan, this was my understanding. I think this demonstrates the fact that you never rely on a single source of information. If I had found the marriage register first I would have gone down the wrong track altogether. Regards Keith -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rowena Gough Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 8:19 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. Hi Keith My understanding is that Harold Hitchins Shugg was the illegitimate son of Eliza Rosewarne Shugg, born 18 Dec 1890, Treskellard, Illogan. Eliza married John Mugford Jan-Mar 1896, Redruth R.D. (John Mugford born Oct-Dec 1860 Blackawton (Bideford RD) Devon. Unable to find death registrations for Eliza or John, so they may have emigrated to North America, as 2 sons fought in WW1 as USA and Canadian servicemen. I havn't seen Harold's birth registration to know whether a father is named. A William Shugg may be his father, or he has lied on his marriage record, Notes that I have for Harold Hitchins Shugg. Emigrated to the USA, and had a WW1 Draft registration Card issued showing his residence as Houghten, Michigan. He was a resident of Painesdale, and an engineer at the time of his marriage. Witnesses were: Ernest Hitchens of Painesdale, and Myrtle Davey of Calumnet. He died in October 1971, at age 80 in Houghten, Michigan. Harold married Hazel M. Davey born c. 1893 Norway, Michigan, USA. Her parents were Cornish, James Henry Davey and Charlotte Carbis who married Oct-Dec 1887 Redruth RD. I don't know of any children Harold and Hazel may have had, or when she died. Regards, Rowena -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Keith Foster Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2010 7:00 PM To: CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Another conflict in records for Shuggs. Hopefully someone may be able to help here. Harold Hitchings Shugg born Illogen 1890. Record in BDM In the 1891 census he appears as a grandson David Shugg head Margareta wife Eliza Shugg daughter Harold H Shugg grandson >From other records I have concluded Eliza is Eliza Rosewarne Shugg. I have never had a problem with these records until now. Harold Hitchings Shugg married Hazel Davey in Michigan 20/12/1919 and gave his parents as William Shugg and Eliza Rosewarne. Either Harold has lied on his marriage certificate or the census for 1891 should read Eliza as a daughter in law, however to my knowledge David and Margareta never had a son William. My guess is that the marriage certificate is wrong Regards Keith ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15540) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15540) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Hi All - At least in St. Austell's Holy Trinity, whoever paid the going rate (at one point, 3s.4d.) could be buried in the church, so whether one was included was based on ability to pay, rather than social prominence. In one year, 35 people were thusly buried. The vestry raised the rate eventually to GBP50, in an effort to deter such requests - and finally had to remove all the bodies because the structure was weakened!! (It didn't help to have clay wagons, carrying up to 4 tons, rumbling past day and night.) This information came from a book written in 1897 by the Vicar (Hammond) who loved the old records, and was afraid they'd be lost if he didn't record them. Cheers, Julia Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org > From: Catherine Frendo <catherinefrendo@hotmail.com> > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane Duncalf nee Knuckey (1600's) > As she was buried in the church does that mean that she came from a notable family. Were the Duncalfs an important family or was Jane a descendant of an important family? Jane was the daughter of Christopher Knuckey and Ann Halls. > > > Cheers, > Catherine > Sydney, Australia

Just a couple of spelling corrections that may be helpful if you are searching. Houghten should be Houghton, Michigan and Calument should be Calumet On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Keith Foster wrote: > WW1 Draft registration Card issued showing his residence as Houghten,

Hi John, The OPC database shows the marriage of Ralph GOLDSWORTHY and Mary ARTHUR at Tywardreath on September 4, 1830. John GOLDSWORTHY's little sister Eliza married George COLLENS in the September quarter of 1859, registration district of St Austell, Vol.5c, page 216. In the 1861 census, widowed Eliza GOLDSWORTHY (60) is living in Tywardreath with George & Eliza COLLINS. If you don't already know, you can access census info at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and Genuki is invaluable. The Tywardreath page is at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/Tywardreath/index.html There is some GOLDSWORTHY connection with Camborne. In 1829, the parish of Camborne appealed an order to remove Elizabeth GOLDSWORTHY, widow of Ralph GOLDSWORTHY to Camborne from Tywardreath parish. (The Ralph in question could be the one who is on the OPC database as buried in Tyeardreath on September 26, 1828, age 71; and Elizabeth *might* be the Elizabeth YEATS who married Ralph GOLDSWORTHY at Camborne on Feb.5, 1812). Either Elizabeth or her deceased husband Ralph came from Camborne to Tywardreath. This deceased Ralph could have been John's grandfather, or perhaps his grandfather's brother. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=021-qs_6&cid=1-1-18#1-1-18 Good luck, Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Harris" <peter@basingstokecircuit.net> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Ralph GOLDSWORTHY > > John, Mary, John & Eliza are also in the 1851 Census in Well Road, > Tywardreath, with Ann Arthur and transcribed as GOLSWORTHY! Can send > further > information if you require it. > > Regards, Peter > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have found the burial of my 7x Great Grandmother Jane Duncalf nee Knuckley Parish: Helston Date: 28-Aug 1696 Name: Jane DUNCALF Age: Residence: Register notes: buried in the church Transcriber Notes: ref: 2PR-p.161 Transcriber: Don Carkyk As she was buried in the church does that mean that she came from a notable family. Were the Duncalfs an important family or was Jane a descendant of an important family? Jane was the daughter of Christopher Knuckey and Ann Halls. I have found a Sir Nicholas Hallse but cannot find any connection. Any information would be much appreciated. Thankyou in advance from your help. Cheers, Catherine Sydney, Australia

Hi Joy There are several Trees on Ancestry showing your Mary so might be worth looking at. The other point I would say is that Lanteglos by Camelford is only five and a half miles from Tintagel so maybe it is worth checking that Parish out for her Baptism. The last point I would make is to check out the CFHS at http://www.cornwallfhs.com/ as they maybe able to help you. Good luck. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 July 2010 19:51 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] BROWN, Tintagel Is anyone researching the BROWN surname from Tintagel? One of my brick walls is Mary Ann BROWN born c 1789 judging by census returns and her death certificate. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 319 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message