Thanks Nick I've now been right through the Workhouse Census return for 1861 and there is one Thomas Williams, aged 45, widower, who was also the porter. Possible, but, with such a common name, a bit tenuous. Thanks again Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Heard Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 6:21 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers I think sometimes they weren't listed together, plus children were sometimes kept with their mother and sometimes not. Husbands were regularly separated from wives and children. So it is possible they were all in different wards of the workhouse, or even in different workhouses. nick -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Banks Sent: 03 August 2010 09:58 To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers Thank you Nick. If I have the right girl, I was wondering where the parents were. Perhaps I'd better look at more pages although I would have thought families would be listed together. There are a number of children (different names) listed together, which has me puzzled. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Heard Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 4:19 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers After the 1832 Poor Law there was more emphasis on placing paupers in work houses "to discourage idleness" Before 1832 Paupers were more often given parish relief at home - This was outdoor relief, or they were known sometimes as outdoor paupers. Indoor relief meant that they were in the workhouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outdoor_relief Nick Heard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Nick. If I have the right girl, I was wondering where the parents were. Perhaps I'd better look at more pages although I would have thought families would be listed together. There are a number of children (different names) listed together, which has me puzzled. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Heard Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 4:19 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers After the 1832 Poor Law there was more emphasis on placing paupers in work houses "to discourage idleness" Before 1832 Paupers were more often given parish relief at home - This was outdoor relief, or they were known sometimes as outdoor paupers. Indoor relief meant that they were in the workhouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outdoor_relief Nick Heard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hullo Hilton No, sorry. I was so overwhelmed by the number of Thomas WILLIAMS that I didn't get to second Christian names I'm afraid! Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hilton Doidge Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 4:44 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers Hello Pat Sorry I cannot help with your Louisa and Kate... However during your Thomas WILLIAMS research in Wales... Did you happen across a Thomas Landock/Landeg WILLIAMS bn. Jun Q. 1845 Neath, Wales. Thank-you Hilton Doidge New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:56 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Tom. I hope you really enjoy your retirement at 'home'!!! Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hill Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 4:46 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers If anyone in the field of family history has done more to deserve help than Pat Banks & Corinne Thompson then I would like to meet them ! "So many owe too so few" to paraphrase a good speechmaker. I hope you find your Williams. I think indoor pauper is as you say, as opposed to someone getting parish relief at home. Tom Hill Five weeks from retirement to St Just after 51 years in "foreign fields" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3046 - Release Date: 08/02/10 18:59:00 ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings all Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents don't seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one quarter and all in South Wales!!! I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late husband's grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me Louisa's descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. Talk about a needle in a haystack! Cheers Pat Pat Banks Perth, Western Australia OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion Researching: Cock - Mullion George - Illogan Osborne - St.Levan Polglase - Breage, St.Erth

I think sometimes they weren't listed together, plus children were sometimes kept with their mother and sometimes not. Husbands were regularly separated from wives and children. So it is possible they were all in different wards of the workhouse, or even in different workhouses. nick -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Banks Sent: 03 August 2010 09:58 To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers Thank you Nick. If I have the right girl, I was wondering where the parents were. Perhaps I'd better look at more pages although I would have thought families would be listed together. There are a number of children (different names) listed together, which has me puzzled. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Heard Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 4:19 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers After the 1832 Poor Law there was more emphasis on placing paupers in work houses "to discourage idleness" Before 1832 Paupers were more often given parish relief at home - This was outdoor relief, or they were known sometimes as outdoor paupers. Indoor relief meant that they were in the workhouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outdoor_relief Nick Heard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"we've been together now for 40 years and it don't seem a day too long" ----- Original Message ----- From: <Aliceclarke8@aol.com> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > The Poor Law Amendment Act of 1834 which was responsible for the > establishment of Poor Law Unions and Workhouses required that men and > women should > be accommodated separately and not allowed to mix (to prevent the > production > of more paupers). It was also usual for children to be in separate > quarters, so you will probably have to go through the entire entry to > find the > parents. > If anyone remembers the Music Hall song "My Old Dutch" which starts "we've > been together 40 years and it don't seem a day too much", the context > there is an elderly couple having to go into the workhouse in the > knowledge > that they will be separated. > Best wishes > Alice Clarke > > > In a message dated 03/08/2010 09:58:25 GMT Daylight Time, > tencreek@tpg.com.au writes: > > Thank you Nick. If I have the right girl, I was wondering where the > parents > were. Perhaps I'd better look at more pages although I would have > thought > families would be listed together. There are a number of children > (different names) listed together, which has me puzzled. > > Cheers > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Heard > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 4:19 PM > To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > > After the 1832 Poor Law there was more emphasis on placing paupers in > work > houses "to discourage idleness" Before 1832 Paupers were more often given > parish relief at home - This was outdoor relief, or they were known > sometimes as outdoor paupers. Indoor relief meant that they were in the > workhouse. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outdoor_relief > > Nick Heard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> > To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > > >> Greetings all >> >> >> >> Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am >> looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa >> Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents >> don't >> seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people >> have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? >> >> >> >> This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking > at >> marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one >> quarter and all in South Wales!!! >> >> >> >> I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann >> WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late >> husband's >> grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but > the >> two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have >> proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia > in >> 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. >> >> >> >> I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me >> Louisa's >> descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's >> descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. >> >> >> >> Talk about a needle in a haystack! >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Pat Banks >> >> Perth, Western Australia >> >> OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion >> >> Researching: >> >> Cock - Mullion >> >> George - Illogan >> >> Osborne - St.Levan >> >> Polglase - Breage, St.Erth >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information > >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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If anyone in the field of family history has done more to deserve help than Pat Banks & Corinne Thompson then I would like to meet them ! "So many owe too so few" to paraphrase a good speechmaker. I hope you find your Williams. I think indoor pauper is as you say, as opposed to someone getting parish relief at home. Tom Hill Five weeks from retirement to St Just after 51 years in "foreign fields" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3046 - Release Date: 08/02/10 18:59:00

Apologies - the 1834 Act ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After the 1832 Poor Law there was more emphasis on placing paupers in work houses "to discourage idleness" Before 1832 Paupers were more often given parish relief at home - This was outdoor relief, or they were known sometimes as outdoor paupers. Indoor relief meant that they were in the workhouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outdoor_relief Nick Heard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat Banks wrote: > would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? Yes, Pat, most definitely. Julie Williamson, Michigan USA

The Poor Law Amendment Act of 1834 which was responsible for the establishment of Poor Law Unions and Workhouses required that men and women should be accommodated separately and not allowed to mix (to prevent the production of more paupers). It was also usual for children to be in separate quarters, so you will probably have to go through the entire entry to find the parents. If anyone remembers the Music Hall song "My Old Dutch" which starts "we've been together 40 years and it don't seem a day too much", the context there is an elderly couple having to go into the workhouse in the knowledge that they will be separated. Best wishes Alice Clarke In a message dated 03/08/2010 09:58:25 GMT Daylight Time, tencreek@tpg.com.au writes: Thank you Nick. If I have the right girl, I was wondering where the parents were. Perhaps I'd better look at more pages although I would have thought families would be listed together. There are a number of children (different names) listed together, which has me puzzled. Cheers Pat -----Original Message----- From: cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cornish-gen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Heard Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 4:19 PM To: cornish-gen@rootsweb.com; cornish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers After the 1832 Poor Law there was more emphasis on placing paupers in work houses "to discourage idleness" Before 1832 Paupers were more often given parish relief at home - This was outdoor relief, or they were known sometimes as outdoor paupers. Indoor relief meant that they were in the workhouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outdoor_relief Nick Heard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Banks" <tencreek@tpg.com.au> To: <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com>; <cornish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Paupers > Greetings all > > > > Could anyone tell me, please, what an "indoor pauper" would be??? I am > looking at the 1861 Census for Wales and assume that the child (Louisa > Williams aged 6 years) is in the workhouse. Unfortunately her parents > don't > seem to be there, at least, I can't see them in the Lists - would people > have put their children into the workhouse if they fell on hard times? > > > > This has been a very difficult family - WILLIAMS from Wales!!! Looking at > marriage records I found at least 40 Thomas WILLIAMS married in just one > quarter and all in South Wales!!! > > > > I am looking for Louisa and Kate WILLIAMS, children of Thomas and Ann > WILLIAMS in an attempt to find the early family (Kate is my late > husband's > grandmother). Kate's death certificate says she was born in Bath but the > two entries for Kate Williams, Bath in 1862 and 1863 GRO Records, have > proved to be the wrong ones. The family finally emigrated to Australia in > 1864 and ended up in the Yorke Peninsula, South Australia. > > > > I have had tremendous help from another researcher who has given me > Louisa's > descendants (confirming comments by my late husband) and I have Kate's > descendants, but the parents seem to be the stumbling block. > > > > Talk about a needle in a haystack! > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > > > Pat Banks > > Perth, Western Australia > > OPC: Gulval, St.Levan, Mullion > > Researching: > > Cock - Mullion > > George - Illogan > > Osborne - St.Levan > > Polglase - Breage, St.Erth > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

WEST BRITON and CORNWALL ADVERTISER 17 OCT 1851, Quarter Sessions, Part 3 SECOND COURT - Before C. B. G. Sawle, Esq. RICHARD BRAY, 25, pleaded Guilty on two several indictments; the one charging him with stealing, at Southpetherwin, on the 2nd of October instant, a brass pan and two cider taps, the property of GEORGE RADDALL; and the other charging him with stealing at Lezant, on the 30th of September, various articles of clothing, the property of BERNARD PAYNTER. A previous conviction was proved against the prisoner, at the October sessions, 1850, of stealing from the person of JAMES MEDLAND, a purse, and between three and four pounds in sovereigns and silver. For this offence the prisoner suffered eight months imprisonment. CHARGE OF KITTING - JOHN PROUT, 26, a young man of very respectable appearance, was charged with feloniously taking and removing three pounds weight of tin ore, found in Polberrow New Adventure mine, in the parish of St. Agnes, the property of Michael MORCOM and others, adventurers in the mine. Mr. STOKES conducted the prosecution; Mr. HOCKIN the defence. Mr. STOKES stated the case as follows: The prisoner was indicted under the act, 2nd and 3rd Victoria, passed for the prevention of kitting. The prisoner had been employed for some time as a tributer at Polberrow tin mines, and was so employed in September last with others of his pair. They raised a quantity of tin ore, which was sent to grass to be prepared in the usual way, for sampling. Their stuff was divided into piles, one of which contained their best work, according to usual practice; and on the 13th of September last, the piles belonging to the prisoner and his pair, were on their floors, and samples were taken in the ordinary way on the 13th and 15th of that month, in the presence of the prisoner. On Saturday the 13th, the samples were taken from the prisoner's piles and sent to the sampling-house; and on the 15th, there were some other samples placed in the sample-house, from the prisoner's piles. At Polberrow, the sampling-house is near the floors; it consists of an upper room, into which the samples are conveyed in barrows over a tram-road; and there is an under room, immediately adjoining which, and under the same roof, is an assay room. When the samples are brought into the sampling-house, the practice is to have the barrows locked, and the sampling-house itself also locked, and the keys of the barrows and of the sampling-house are taken to the counting- house. One set of keys of the barrows is also kept in the sampling-house. They went there late in the evening, and saw the barrows in proper order on the upper floor of the sampling-house, containing samples from different parts of the mine, and among them the samples from prisoner's piles. They placed a small piece of heath on the barrows, and on the Monday morning, they found that, although the sampling-house was locked up on the Saturday evening, and the key kept at the counting-house some one must have been in the sampling-house - the pieces of heath placed on the prisoner's piles had been removed, and his samples had been 'prilled' - that is, richer stones of ore had been put into his samples for the purpose of making it turn out richer than it fairly would have bee, so that the prisoern and the pair, instead of receiving GBP3 per man per month, would have received upwards of GBP 6 per man. On Monday afternoon, the prisoner went to one of the captains and told him that his pair had some more tin stuff on the floor ready to be weighed and sampled; and a fair sample was taken, in the prisoner's presence, and sent into the sampling-house. On the Monday evening, the captains saw that the sampling-house was all right - the floors swept - and inside the - the sample barrows in regular order - and inside the cover of each barrow a tin box containing a paper with the name of the tributer's pair to whom the sample belonged. The sampling house was locked up and the key taken to the counting-house. The captains again, on Monday night, put some pieces of heath on the barrows, and then two of them went into the assay-room to watch during the night; both the upper and lower rooms of the sampling-house being locked; there being a communication inside by means of stairs, between the under and upper rooms, and the lower sampling-room communicating with the assay-room by a door. About eleven o'clock, the two captains, sitting concealed in the assay-room, saw some one come towards the window and look in, but could not see who it was. The parties, whoever they were, tried the door of the assay-room, and, finding it closed, the captains immediately heard footsteps going round the house, and presently heard that door tried and persons entering, and footsteps going up the stairs into the upper room. The captains next heard the iron lid of one of the barrows lifted. One of the captains went to the lower door, and the other to the upper door of the sampling-house. Captain HANCOCK, who was at the upper door, saw the door opened from the inside, by a man who immediately closed the door again and retreated. Both captains - HANCOCK and MARTIN - then moved off a little, and two men rushed out, one from the upper and one from the under door. The one who came out of the upper door was seen by Capt. Hancock to be the prisoner, and Capt. Martin, who was below, was also near enough to see the prisoner, and would positively swear to him. Hancock chased him, but not being able to catch him, went to prisoner's house and found he was not there. Hancock then returned towards the mine, walking along by a ditch so as to be unperceived, and heard the voices of two persons coming along the road, and that one of them was the prisoner. Hancock then rushed forward and took the prisoner into his custody, and proceeded to give him in charge to a constable. Prisoner protested that he was innocent - that he had not been near the spot - that he had just come from TOM TREGELLAS's public-house. Hancock said, I know you are the man, but if Tregellas will say you have just come from his house, I will let you go. They then went to the public-house, and, in answer to a questions from Hancock, Tregellas said Prout left there about eleven o'clock. Prout then said "Why Tom, I don't think you can very well tell what time I left." and Tregellas said "Well, perhaps I can't, for I went to bed rather 'aly'; and it might have been an hour or two later." Hancock, however, was confident that prisoner was the man he had seen come out of the sampling- house, and gave him in charge to a constable named PARNALL. On the captain's going into the sampling-house immediately afterwards, it was found that the barrows had been moved, and that on the floor there was a small bag containing some stones of rich tin ore; this bag being near the barrow which contained the samples last brought in from the piles belonging to prisoner and his pair. The stones in that bag Captain Hancock believed to have come mostly from the prisoner's pile of best work; and some of the stones the captains believed to have been brought from some other mine, the stones were so extremely rich. Mr. STOKES concluded that it was not necessary, in support of the indictment, to prove an actual mixing of the rich ores with the samples; it was enough for him to give evidence to warrant the jury in believing that the prisoner took and removed the rich stones of ore, either from his own best pile or from some other place, for the purpose of defrauding the adventurers. One of the men concerned with the prisoner on the Monday night had decamped, and could not be found; and the other was not known. The witnesses for the prosecution were THOMAS NICHOLAS, labourer at Polberrow mine, engaged chiefly at the sampling-house; Capt. NICHOLAS DUNSTAN, an agent of the mine; Capt JOHN HANCOCK, and Capt. RICHARD MARTIN, the two agents who watched at the sampling-house. The defence mainly consisted of evidence that Captains Hancock and Martin had, shortly after the alleged act of kitting, made statements contradictory to their evidence now given; and of an alibi. WILLIAM NICHOLAS, a mine tributer, stated that he was at Polberrow mine the day after the occurrence which formed the subject of the indictment, and heard Captain Hancock say he could not exactly swear to Prout, and that when he saw him in Goonown lane, on the night of the 13th, he thought he had changed his dress. Captain Hancock, when cross-examined in anticipation of this defence, positively denied that he had ever expressed any doubt of Prout's being the man who came out of the sampling-house; and in explanation of his observation concerning Prout's dress in Goonown lane, he said that when in pursuit of Prout on the night in question, he caught sight of HARRIS, who was dressed in different coloured clothes from Prout, and for the moment he imagined that Prout had changed his clothes. JOHN BENNETTS, another miner, was also at Polberrow at the time spoken of by the witness William Nicholas, and confirmed his evidence that Captain Hancock said that when he came upon Prout in Goonown lane, he could not exactly get near to him, as he thought he had another dress on. HENRY ROUSE saw Captain Martin on the Saturday following the occurrence, and asked him what he thought about the affair at the mine. Captain Martin told him that the two men who were in the sampling house bolted, one through the window and one out at the door, and consequently he did not know who the men were, and could not swear to Prout. Capt. Martin, when cross-examined in anticipation of this defence, positively denied that either of the men in the sampling-house bolted at the window; and he equally denied that he had ever said so. WILLIAM PARNELL, constable at St. Agnes, was called up on the night in question, by Capt. HANCOCK, to take charge of Prout. He asked Capt. Hancock if he was sure that Prout was the man he chased out of the mine as he (Parnell) did not like hap-hazard cases. Capt. Hancock said he believed he was. HENRY HUDDY, master shoe-maker at St. Agnes, stated that at eleven o'clock in the night in question, as he was coming out of Tregellas's public-house, he saw Prout going in there. Witness went into the Church-town, and was talking with JOHN DANIEL, and about half-past eleven, Prout came up to them and remained with them till the clock struck twelve, and then went away with Daniel, who asked him to come and take some supper with him. JOHN DANIEL stated that the prisoner went with him from St. Agnes Church-town on the night in question, to his (witness's) house, which they reached a few minutes after twelve; prisoner had supper with witness, and left his house at half-past twelve. The jury consulted for about five minutes, and returned a verdict of Acquittal. THOMAS WYCROFT, 30, pleaded Guilty of stealing on the 3rd of September at the parish of Kea, one shirt, the property of NICHOLAS HODGE. RICHARD RICHARDS, 23, and JAMES COOMBS were severally indicted for feloniously breaking and entering the dwelling house of NICHOLAS HODGE, at the parish of Kea, and stealing articles of clothing, both pleaded Guilty. RICHARD RICHARDS was indicted for having, on the 3rd of September, feloniously broken and entered the dwelling house of TEMPORANCE GROSE, widow, in the parish of Kea, and stealing a silk dress and shawl, her property, pleaded Guilty; but when arraigned on a count which laid the property in ELIJAH GROSE, the prisoner pleaded not guilty. Of course, he was not tried on this latter count. A previous conviction was proved against Richards. At the July sessions, 1850, he was convicted of having stolen on the 10th of April, 1850, a shirt, the property of PAUL EVA; for which he suffered three months' imprisonment. A previous conviction was also proved against James COOMBS. At Wells, Somerset, in 1850, he was convicted of having stolen two pair of boots, the property of the Guardians of the Bedminster Union. He suffered six months' imprisonment at Shepton Mallet gaol, which fact was proved by WILLIAM CARTER, a turnkey of that gaol. JOHN THOMAS, 67, was found Guilty of stealing, on the 1st of September, at Ponsanooth, in the parish of Gluvias, a collar, the property of Mr. JOHN ANDREW. The end..... until next week! Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

WEST BRITON and CORNWALL ADVERTISER - 17 OCT 1851, Quarter Sessions part 2 SECOND COURT - before C. B. G. Sawle,Esq. JOHN CORNISH, 16, pleaded Guilty of stealing, on the 7th of October, at Redruth, a fustian jacket, the property of Mark RICHARDS. ROBERT VICARY, 35, was indicted for stealing, from the person of RICHARD BINNEY, divers moneys amounting to about 12s., his property. Mr. J. B. COLLINS for the prosecution, and Mr. CHILDS for the defence. On Friday the 10th instant, Richard Binney, a labourer, went to St. Columb with a donkey-cart, and some potatoes; and after selling the potatoes he went into Mr. WALKEY's public-house, where he remained between two and three hours, and drank three pints of beer. He went then towards his home, and had got as far as Whitewater-hill when a man jumped over the hedge, "clenched" the prosecutor, threw him down, and robbed him of his purse and money, amounting to about 12s. When prosecutor was drinking in the public-house at St.Columb, Vicary, the prisoner, and a man named John SKINNER were sitting opposite him, and prosecutor took out his purse in their sight. The landlord stated that the two men left his house about ten minutes after the prosecutor, and they were seen by two witnesses, PHILIP SALMON and JOHN HARRIS, going in the direction of Whitewater-hill, where prosecutor was robbed. Prosecutor said the man who jumped over the hedge and attacked him was not Skinner, but he believed it was the prisoner. From other circumstances, however, Mr. Childs, on the part of prisoner, contended that his identity was not made out as the party who committed the robbery; and the jury, after some consideration, gave a verdict of Not Guilty. JANE EVEREL, 13, was charged with stealing, in September last, a piece of black silk, the property of Thomas TREWEEKE. Frances EVEREL lives at Short-lane's end, in Kenwyn parish, and prisoner lived next door to her. The silk was taken from a box in Mrs. Everel's kitchen, and some black silk was afterwards found in prisoner's possession, which Mrs. Everel identified as that she had lost. Verdict, Guilty. [Obviously the reporter was confused - but if you substitute Mrs. Treweeke for Mrs. Everel, the article would be correct - Julia] ROBERT ANDREW, 24, pleaded Guilty of stealing at St. Austell on the 5th of August, a quilt, the property of WILLIAM CROWLE, farmer. JOSIAH SPARGO, 23, was charged with stealing a shirt on the 1st of August, belonging to Thomas BATTERSHILL, Fairmantle-street, Truro. Verdict, Guilty. Constable COPLIN, of Penryn, was called on by prisoner to give him a character; he said he had known him from a boy, and had never heard anything of the kind charged against him before. WILLIAM LAKES, 11, was found Guilty of stealing, at Bodmin, on the 19th of September, a shirt, the property of Joseph JULIFFE. The Court then rose. WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 15 - Before Sir Colman Rashleigh, Bart. JOHN NICHOLAS SPARGO was charged with stealing, at St. Austell, a cucumber, shown at the exhibition of the St. Austell Gardening Society. Mr. SHILSON for the prosecution, and Mr. CHILDS for the prisoner. On the 6th of August there was an exhibition of the Cottage Gardening Society at St. Austell. Mr. W. WILLIAMS had charge of one of the tables of vegetables. When he turned his back for about half a minute, prisoner was standing by one of the baskets of vegetables, in which there was a cucumber of large size. When he returned he missed the cucumber, and asked prisoner about it, on which the latter threatened to knock his teeth down his throat. Another witness, NICHOLAS INCH, saw the prisoner take a cucumber out of his trousers pocket, and put it behind his back, and believed some other person took it from him. WILLIAM VIVIAN said he saw prisoner take the cucumber out of the basket; he then said to prisoner, "that is doing the thing very fine," and prisoner replied he was fond of cucumbers. MR. NOTT, one of the committee of the society, said he was called on the occasion, and charged prisoner with taking the cucumber, which he denied. Prisoner gave a false name; he said his name was JOHN NICHOLAS, of St. Blazey. Mr. Shilson stated that the society had missed things before, but this was the first time they had been able to bring the stealing home to any person. Mr. Childs addressed the jury for the prisoner, submitting that though he took the cucumber, he had no intention of stealing it. Mr. Childs then called Mr. GEORGE JOB, who gave prisoner a good character, and said he contributed towards the support of his mother. Two witnesses called SOWDEN and CHARLES RUNDLE also gave prisoner a good character. The jury returned a verdict of Guilty, but recommended the prisoner to mercy. ROBERT JOHNS MOYLE was indicted for stealing an iron grate and cast-iron chimney front, fixed in the pitmen's and account house, on a mine called Wheal Rose, in the parish of Sithney, the same being the property of the REV. CANON ROGERS. Mr. SHILSON for the prosecution, and Mr. DARKE for the prisoner. The case lasted nearly the whole day, and all the witnesses were ordered out of Court till called for. The mine in question, Wheal Rose, had been abandoned by the adventurers, and the property had been given up into the possession of the Rev. Canon Rogers. The articles were stolen in September and October, 1850, but under a statute passed last session, both felonies were included in one indictment. Mr. Shilson stated that not only were the pitmen's house and account-house broken into, but also the smith's shop and other parts of the premises, and various things were taken away. In consequence of the breaking open of another house on the 8th of February last, a search-warrant was obtained, and the house of prisoner (who is a farrier) was searched by Mr. WEBB, an agent of Canon Rogers, and Constable CHAPPEL. Prisoner was not there, but in his bedroom up stairs they found a grate fixed which it was alleged had been stolen from the pitman's house. Chappel went in search of the prisoner, and met him coming towards his house with a bag of potatoes on his back. He told him that Mr. WEBB was at his house, waiting to see him about something. Prisoner asked him to take the potatoes and go on, and he would be there in a few minutes. He did not, however, come, and the constables had been unable to find him until August last, when he was apprehended at Goldsithney fair. Since he had been in custody, prisoner told the constables he had been in France, Plymouth, and other places. Mr. FREEMAN a farmer of Gunwalloe, stated that about the 20th of October he was out by night on his farm watching for trespassers. It was a good moonlight; he was behind a hedge, and saw prisoner about twenty-five yards from him, go by carrying a grate on his shoulder with a bar of wood. This was at half-past two in the morning, and within three quarters of a mile from the mine. Prisoner did not see witness at the time. Another witness, a little boy, said he was driving a donkey-cart in the fall of the year, and overtook the prisoner carrying a grate. The boy said this was between three and four in the morning, but on cross-examination he made some confusion about the time, saying it was about sunrise. With regard to the cast-iron chimney front, it was missed about the latter end of September from the account-house, and about October a front of that description was seen in a cart before prisoner's door. After this it was seen in an outhouse in prisoner's yard, and prisoner offered it to a person for sale. Subsequently, the chimney front was found in a pond adjoining the orchard of prisoner's brother-in-law, in such a position as to lead to the conclusion that it had been thrown over the hedge. The grate found in prisoner's house, and the cast-iron chimney front were produced in court; and witnesses were called to prove that these were the same as had been fixtures in the pitman's house and account-house. Further evidence was also given, that after the prisoner was in custody, and they were taking him to Helston to appear before the magistrates, Mr. FREEMAN passed by, and the prisoner inquired who he was, and being told he was going to give evidence against him, prisoner said, "I did not see him when I was passing through the mine." He also said to Constable HARRIS, "the grate I found upon the mine, and the other things were given to me." Mr. DARKE cross-examined the witnesses at great length, and ably addressed the jury for the prisoner, contending that the identity of the grate and chimney front, as the stolen property, had not been sufficiently made out; and that it was not proved the prisoner had taken those fixtures from the premises. Another point of the defence was that the prisoner had dealt in cattle, and went to France and Jersey for that purpose, - that in fact he did not leave for the purpose of escaping apprehension. He also called as witnesses, THOMAS LAWRENCE, of Mullion, prisoner's brother-in-law, and JOSEPH MOYLE, prisoner's uncle, whose evidence was to the effect that they had seen a grate of the same description as that produced in prisoner's bed-room in February last; consequently months before the robbery took place. As to the chimney front, Mr. Darke contended that the evidence was wholly inconclusive as against the prisoner. Mr. SHILSON replied on the whole case in a lucid speech, and pointed out the inconsistencies in the evidence given by prisoner's witnesses. The Chairman summed up at considerable length, and the jury, after briefly deliberating, gave a verdict of Guilty of stealing both the articles named in the indictment. GEESE STEALING - ROBERT HAWKEY, 40, ANTHONY HAWKEY, 20, and GEORGE OSBORNE, 20, were indicted for stealing, at the parish of Landulph, thirteen geese, the property of RICHARD ROBERTS. Robert HAWKEY was also charged with receiving the geese, knowing them to have been stolen. Mr. SHILSON conducted the prosecution, and called a number of witnesses. It appeared that a man called THOMAS MOYSE lives on an off farm in the parish of Landulph, in the occupation of Mr. ROBERTS. He had twenty-two geese under his charge, thirteen of which were missed on the morning of the 3rd of October. On the 2nd of October, two of the prisoners, Anthony Hawkey and George Osborne, were seen by a man who was thatching, about four gun-shots from Mr. Roberts's goose-house. They were then on the public road to Saltash. PHILIP BUCKINGHAM also saw them on the road going towards Mr. Roberts's farm. JOHN ELMS, a boatman at Saltash, was employed by the two prisoners, Anthony Hawkey and George Osborne, to take them across in his boat to Stonehouse, at six o'clock in the morning of the 3rd of October. They had four bundles, and there was blood about the bottom of the handkerchiefs. It further appeared that the prisoners, Osborne and Anthony Hawkey, had taken an unfurnished room of Mrs. O'NEILL, Newport-street, Stonehouse, and from information received this room was broken open by the constables. Policeman BRENT, of Devonport, said there were in the room five geese, three with their heads on, and two partly dressed for market, twelve heads of geese and fourteen pairs of geese feet. Constable ELLIS said there was about a bushel of entrails of geese on the floor, and in the corner a quantity of feathers, enough for a bedtie. On the walls were pencil marks, showing that some division of the spoils had taken place. Two heads of geese found in the room were produced in Court, and one of them was sworn to by Moyse as being the head of an old goose which had belonged to his master, Mr. Roberts. Conversations of the prisoners after they were taken into custody were deposed to, and it was shown that their room had been visited on different occasions by the elder prisoner, Robert Hawkey, who had taken away some of the geese. He stated that he did not know they were stolen. The jury, however, found him Guilty of feloniously receiving, and the other two prisoners, Osborne and Anthony Hawkey, Guilty of stealing the geese. A former conviction for stealing ducks from JAMES PAYNTER was proved against Robert Hawkey, who was then tried under the name of ROBERT CARVETH. The Chairman discharged the Jury between five and six o'clock, with the thanks of the county for their services. The Court rose at eight o'clock. NO BILLS - The Grand Jury ignored the following bills: against JOSIAH SPARGO, charged with stealing trousers from George PELLEW, Jun.; THOMAS HAMBLY, charged with stealing chimney ornaments from RICHARD COUCH; ANN SCANTLEBURY, charged with stealing money from the person of THOMAS MAGER; STEPHEN WILLIAMS, charged with stealing eight shillings and a seaman's register ticket from DENNIS MULLIN; JOSIAH MARSHALL, assaulting JAMES LANG, a constable at St. Kew; THOMAS MURTON, assaulting MARTHA ANDREW with intent &c; EDMUND LAUNDRY, stealing pilchards at st. Ives. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Not 'unexceptional', 'unexceptionable'. Meaning one could not take exception. J On 2 Aug 2010, at 09:28, Jason Austin wrote: > Hi Julia > > "Unexceptional character" was used to mean "not open to objection or > criticism". Meriam-Websters dictionary says commentators have said > that use was incorrect but notes "the 'incorrect' sense of > 'unexceptional' is more than 75 years older than its 'correct' sense." > > Jason > > > > jwmos99@msn.com wrote: > >> It must have been a very slow news day - note the "clever" filler >> articles! It's still hard to understand why advertisements ask >> for persons with "unexceptional" characters. >> >> > ------------------------------- > Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou to everyone who replied. It would appear that Jane would have been from a family of note or at least a family with money. Her grandfather or ancestor was the Constable of St Erth but for her to be buried in the at Helston church the connection may possible be with a line from that parish. I now just have to find that family member. There are many little clues but no real evidence. Thanks again. Cheers, Catherine

Hi Julia "Unexceptional character" was used to mean "not open to objection or criticism". Meriam-Websters dictionary says commentators have said that use was incorrect but notes "the 'incorrect' sense of 'unexceptional' is more than 75 years older than its 'correct' sense." Jason jwmos99@msn.com wrote: >It must have been a very slow news day - note the "clever" filler articles! It's still hard to understand why advertisements ask for persons with "unexceptional" characters. > >

Mystery words/terms from this post - "about four gun-shots from the goose house" (and how far was that precisely??) WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 17 OCTOBER, 1851 - CORNWALL MICHAELMAS SESSIONS (part 1) At these sessions, which opened on Tuesday last, at Bodmin, the calendar contained the names of thirty-eight prisoners. We regret to state that the Chairman of Quarter Sessions, J. K. LETHBRIDGE, Esq., was unable to attend in consequence of severe indisposition. [30 magistrates attended.] The following qualified as magistrates: J. Ennis VIVIAN, Esq., M.P. W. Carpenter ROWE, Esq., N. KENDALL, Esq., jun., and James GLENCROSS, Esq. The Rev. Joseph BENSEN took the oaths on appointment to the rectory of St. Breock, and the Rev. John Pope COX, on institution to the rectory of St. Ervan. The following were sworn on the Grand Jury: Mr. Philip Blamey, Gwennap, foreman Mr. R. Bewes, jun., Egloshayle Mr. H. Bishop, Stithians Mr. T. Dash, Budock Mr. J. Derry, Egloshayle Mr. J. Devonshire, Falmouth Mr. J. Edye, Falmouth Mr. J. B. Geake, St. Mary Magdalene Mr. D. Gray, Endellion Mr. S. Hanbury, Budock Mr. H. Hayman, St. Mary Magdalene Mr. T. Mills, Bodmin Mr. O. Pearce, St. Stephens by Launceston Mr. J. Phillips, Falmouth Mr. D. Roberts, Endellion Mr. J. Roberts, Falmouth Mr. T. Short, Bodmin Mr. E. Spettigue, Bodmin Mr. J. Teague, Falmouth Mr. H. Vercoe, Egloshayle The Royal proclamation against vice and immorality having been read, the Chairman delivered his CHARGE TO THE GRAND JURY. [The learned gentleman decried the absence of their chairman, and wished him well. The next subject was the fact that thirty-eight cases were to be heard, and a few were commented upon. Then he referred to a recent event.] I am sure I need not remind any one in this court that since our last meeting it has pleased God in His infinite wisdom, to remove from among us our kind and much valued friend - I had almost said father - Mr. TREMAYNE. I need not remind you of this melancholy event; for no one can enter this hall without missing the well-know and well-beloved form of him who for a series of years devoted the best energies of his life to the service of the public and the good of his fellow men, - one, I may say, beloved, respected, and deplored by all. He needs no eulogium from me; he needs no monument to record his virtues; his memory will long live in the hearts of all Cornishmen, and in the grateful prayers and blessings of his poorer neighbours. I trust I may be permitted to express my personal gratitude for the memory of one who first kindly introduced and instructed me in the duties of a magistrate, and who was always my kind and ready adviser. The kindness he extended to me, he on all occasions extended to all, and therefore I may truly say that the loss of no individual has been so universally felt, in the memory of the oldest among us. I feel it unnecessary to say more; but I could not feel satisfied in saying less on such a melancholy occasion. (The Chairman, when speaking of Mr. Tremayne, manifested deep emotion, and his language awakened the sympathies of all who heard him.) COUNTY BUSINESS SURGEON'S REPORT - The surgeon of the gaol, Mr. Hamley, in making his annual report, had great pleasure in stating that there had been much less sickness than for many years past. There had been only one death, that of William JOHNSON, who died of consumption, he being far advanced in that disease when brought into the prison. The number of cases for the year had been, - slight indisposition, 62 males, 10 females; under seventeen years, 2 males; Infirmary cases, 4 males, 1 female; death, 1 male; greatest number under care at one time, 5 males, 2 females. He had great pleasure in adding that the whole of the prisoners are at present in a very healthy state, and both infirmaries unoccupied. COUNTY LUNATIC ASYLUM REPORT - presented by Mr. N. KENDALL [The first 3/4 of the report was full of praise for the operation, particularly praising the efforts toward education, and the "good order" of "everything". He then went on to rebut portions of a report given by the Visiting Commissioners.] With regard to the beds referred to in the report, they appeared to him to be of the same size as those in private houses. The accommodations spoken of were intended for people in the lower walks of life; the poor sleep in their cottages three or four in a bed, and there was no comparison between their beds and the accommodation in the asylum. Mr. SAWLE said, as one of the members of the committee, he perfectly coincided with the remarks made by Mr. Kendall. Mr. Kendall observed that one tick was placed on the wrong bed, and therefore appeared short when the commissioners were in the asylum; hence the remark about the beds. Mr. Sawle remarked that one of the commissioners, Mr. MYLNE, was down some years ago, and then said the clothing of the pauper patients was excellent. Since that time it had been considerably improved, yet now it was reported not to be good enough. ............................ TRIALS OF PRISONERS MARY FRANKS, 38, pleaded GUILTY of stealing, at Truro, on the 31st of July and the 4th of August, a coat, waistcoat, trousers, bolster-case, apron, and other articles, the property of WILLIAM TRENHAILE. CATHERINE STEPHENS, 17, pleaded GUILTY of stealing, at the parish of Kenwyn, on the 10th of September, a shawl, shirt, apron, and other articles, the property of SARAH HOOPER. JOSEPH FINCH, 28, was indicted for stealing, at the parish of Budock, a silver watch and gold key, the property of JOHN CURRY. MR. HOCKIN conducted the prosecution. From the evidence, it appeared that prosecutor keeps the canteen at Pendennis castle, and that on Christmas day last, the prisoner came there, being then on furlough. He was a private in the 82nd regiment, a detachment of which had been some time previously at Pendennis. There were in the canteen four rooms, a bar, two tap- rooms and a bed-room, all down stairs. Prosecutor took prisoner into the bed room to give him a glass of brandy. He had there a watch and key hanging to the bed, and these he missed after prisoner had left the canteen. It further appeared, from the evidence of LUKE SMITH, another private in the 82nd regiment, that in June last he and prisoner were in the Railway Tavern, in Carmarthen. Prisoner asked Smith to sell a watch for him, and he did so, to the landlord of the inn, Mr. EVANS. Prisoner was in the parlour at the time, and the doors being open, he could see the landlord purchasing the watch in the tap-room. The watch was purchased for 16s. and a half a gallon of ale. Afterwards it was given up to a Carmarthen policeman, who also found a key in prisoner's possession. Both watch and key were identified by the prosecutor as his property. Prisoner said in defence that he bought the watch of a man in Carmarthen on the 18th of June. Verdict, Guilty. WILLIAM PAYNTER HAWKEY, 25, was charged with having on the night of the 21st, or morning of the 22nd of September, stolen from the premises of John WARNE, at Pennard, in the parish of St. Breock, a dark chestnut gelding, the property of the said John Warne. The prosecutor stated that on Sunday night, the 21st of September, he had a dark chestnut gelding in a field about half a mile from his house, and on the following morning, the horse was gone, and the gate was broken. He pursued tracks of a horse nearly a mile, in the direction of St. Breock Common, towards Withiel. He then advertised the horse, and on the following Wednesday it was brought to him by the Constable Skin. JOHN SKIN, constable at Menheniot, stated that on Monday the 22nd of September, he brought the prisoner and a horse to his house; he took charge of the prisoner and delivered the horse to the prosecutor. JOHN CONGDON, farmer at Menheniot, stated that on Monday the 22nd of September, prisoner called at his house and offered to sell him a horse; he first asked GBP 4 and then came down, by 10 shillings at a time, to fifty shillings, but witness refused to purchase at any price. The horse was worth about GBP 10. Prisoner then went away with the horse. Witness went after him and overtook him with the horse, about a quarter of a mile on the road, took him into custody and handed him over to the Constable Skin. The prosecutor, recalled, stated that the horse brought back to him by the constable, was the one he had lost on the previous Saturday night. Guilty. GEORGE TONKIN, 19, was found Guilty of stealing, on the 15th of August, at St. Blazey, a pint of rum and a quantity of port wine, the property of Augustus SANDOE, innkeeper, his master. EDWIN ANDREWS, 18, was found Guilty of stealing a pair of shoes, the property of JOHN SHORT, in the neighbourhood of St. Austell. The prisoner, a weakly looking lad, had stated in his examination before the magistrates, that he should not have committed the robbery but for poverty - that his mother had been dead for many years, and his father, the last time he saw him, told him he would have nothing more to do with him - and that no master would keep him, because he was subject to fits. The prisoner's appearance bore out much of his statement, and the jury recommended him to mercy. JOHN AUNGER, a young man, charged with having on the 20th of September, at the parish of Northhill, feloniously assaulted Edmund COUMBE, and put him in bodily fear and danger of his life, and feloniously and violently stolen from his person, two pennies and a half-penny. Mr. WHITE conducted the prosecution, and Mr. STOKES the defence. It appeared from the evidence of prosecutor, the only witness for the prosecution, that the prosecutor, a young lad, was, on the 20th of September, about half-past five in the afternoon, proceeding from Launceston to Mr. COUCH's in the parish of Northill, with a horse and cart, and barrel of porter. On the way, he met the prisoner and another man - both of whom were tipsy. Prisoner accosted the prosecutor, laid hold of the horse, and threatened to overturn the cart if prosecutor would not give him some money or beer. The boy hereupon became very timid. The prisoner made use of various violent expressions to intimidate him, and ultimately put his hand in prosecutor's pocket, but did not taking any thing from him. But, afterwards, the boy, from fear, handed over 2 1/2 d. to the prisoner. The most remarkable circumstance in the trial was the positive contradiction between a portion of the prosecutor's evidence, and the testimony given by a young girl named SALLY WILTON for the defense. He denied, in the most clear and determined way, that any item in the following statement made by Sally Wilton was true, except that he was at her house once and told her that he was going to Launceston to be measured for a new jacket. Sally Wilton's evidence was that, on the Sunday morning following the 20th of September, Edmund Coumbe told her he had met with a man called Aunger, who asked him for beer or money, and that he told the man he had not got any beer, but gave him 2 1/2 d. She replied "I would not have given the man 2 1/2 d. for you were not out of sight of houses, and if you had halloed, [some] people must have heard you." The boy replied that he did not hallo, for he was not at all hurried or afraid of the man. She then asked him if he had mentioned it to his master Mr. Couch. He said he did not say any thing to Mr. Couch about it, because he was not more hurried about it than he was at that moment. A few days after that she saw the boy again at her house; he told her he had been to Launceston against the man. She asked him what was done to the man; and he said "nothing; it was put off to the Sessions." She asked him what he said before the magistrates; he replied "Oh never mind; I know what I said." On the 6th of October, she saw him again; he then said he was going to Launceston the next day to be measured for a new jacket, as he was insured a sum of 17s.6d. the next week. She said "who has insured you that?" He said, it was for going against the man - that he should have half-a-crown at least for going to Launceston, five shillings if he stopped only one day in Bodmin, five shillings for going down and five shillings for returning. She said "you don't know; there is the man's story as well as yours." He said "the man is a miner, and the gentlemen dislike miners and won't take notice of what he has got to state." In depreciation of the girl's testimony, it was attempted to show that she had a tender attachment to the prisoner; she, however, denied that she had ever spoken to him, and had never seen him otherwise than in chapel. Mr. WHITE hereupon informed the jury that there was a great deal of courting went on sometimes at chapels, and that it was as easy to do so by looks as by talking. As we have said, the boy prosecutor denied every statement but one made by the girl, and the case was put to the jury as one of direct conflict of testimony. The jury found a verdict of Acquittal. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

It must have been a very slow news day - note the "clever" filler articles! It's still hard to understand why advertisements ask for persons with "unexceptional" characters. WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 17 OCTOBER 1851 ADVERTISEMENTS TRURO, PENRYN, and REDRUTH TURNPIKE ROAD SCRAPINGS Notice is hereby given that a Public Survey will be holden at the Town Hall, Truro, on Wednesday, the 22nd instant, at Two o'clock in the Afternoon, for letting the Scrapings of the several Roads of this Turnpike, for one year from Michaelmas day last. JOHN TIPPET, Clerk to the Trustees of the said Turnpike, Dated October 8, 1851 .... VERY IMPORTANT NEWS! REDUCED RATES OF CARRIAGE BY TIMES COACH The Proprietors of the above Coach, have much pleasure in announcing to their numerous kind friends, that they have made arrangements with FORD and CO, whereby they are enabled to bring goods from London to Falmouth at the following reduced scale of charges. Between London and Falmouth Lbs. s d Not exceeding 7 .............................. 1 6 14 ............................. 1 16 28 ............................. 2 6 42 ............................. 3 2 56 .............................. 4 4 84 .............................. 5 6 112 .............................. 7 8 These rates of carriage cannot fail to tempt the trading community of Cornwall to patronize the "Times Coach" and as this is now made a daily conveyance no delay can possibly take place. All goods must be ordered from London thus: - By Ford and Co. , Blossoms Inn, Lawrence Lane; 2d. only will be charged for porterage on delivery in Cornwall. N.H. If parcels are wanted with great dispatch they must be marked by Mail Train to Exeter thence "Times Coach". By this mode of transit (if not exceeding 7lbs. weight) 2s. 6d. only will be charged; heavier parcels proportionably low. PROCKTER, LENDERYOU, and CO, Proprietors ... SHEEP LOST LOST, At Summercourt Fair, on the 25th of September, FOUR SHEEP, marked S.L. on the off hind quarter, and with a hole in the near ear. Any one having found the same by applying to Mr. SAMUEL LOBB, Ethy, near Lostwithiel, shall be handsomely rewarded, and any one detaining them after this notice will be prosecuted. Dated October 15, 1851 ... TO PARENTS AND GUARDIANS T. MARTIN, Chemist, Druggist, &c., is in immediate want of an active and respectable YOUTH as an APPRENTICE. He will be treated as one of the family, and every opportunity afforded him of obtaining a thorough knowledge of his business. A Young Man in the Drapery Trade, may hear of a Situation by applying as above Camborne, October 14, 1851 .... WANTED A SITUATION as (thorough) in-door servant, where a Boy is kept; or Single Handed out of Livery; understands Brewing, and has Eleven years unexceptionable character. Address, A. B., Mr. BEARE's, Printer &c., Penzance Dated October 16, 1851 .... THE WEST BRITON - Truro, Friday, October 17, 1851 - PRISCA FIDES The Great Exhibition has closed its life; it is now while we write as it were lying in state, and the funeral obsequies are to be performed on Wednesday. For the last week the crowds have been unprecedented, nearly one hundred and ten thousand persons have day after day filled almost every crevice of the building. On Saturday an immense crowd was collected, and between four and five o'clock many thousands entered the building, anxious to be there at the close. As the hour of five approached all the compartments were deserted and the crowd filled the nave and galleries. Exactly at five all the organs pealed out the National Anthem, every head was uncovered, every voice joined in the chorus; and at its close the applause from tens of thousands of stamping feet rolled through the building with a strange rumbling sound not unlike that produced by ........ Amidst hearty cheers and the clanging of every bell and gong in the place, the company slowly retired, and the portals of the building were closed on the public. LOCAL INTELLIGENCE FALMOUTH ATHENAEUM - On Friday last, Mr. JOHN MARRACK, of Penzance, delivered a very interesting lecture to a large and respectable audience, on the "Progress of Knowledge", which gave great satisfaction and called forth a unanimous expression of approval. TEETOTAL HARVEST WORK - The fourteenth annual public supper on the completion of harvest was celebrated at Bodmin on the 7th instant. Thirty teetotal labourers were gratuitously provided with a sumptuous repast, at which about seventy persons sat down. The speaking was afterwards continued until nine o'clock, to the delight of a very numerous audience; the masters and men both testifying that the labours of the harvest could be quicker and easier accomplished without intoxicating drinks than with them. Three thousand acres of hay and corn are cut and saved annually by teetotalers in the district around Bodmin. ALMANACK FOR THE PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE - We have been favoured with a sight of a most ingenious contrivance by Mr. RICHARD GRAY, a working miner, in Gwennap. Its object is to enable any one who uses it to discover at once the day of the week and month in any year either past, present, or future. This almanack is contained on a single piece of board, one part of which is moveable, and its arrangement is of the most simple and easy kind. This is in fact its great recommendation; other contrivances of the same kind having generally been very complicated in structure and difficult to use. The general utility of this ingenious little contrivance must at once be obvious. In a lawyer's office in particular, we should think, it must soon become indispensable. Its great recommendation is that, while it occupies no more room than a common sheet almanac for one year, it has this peculiar excellence that it can never become out of date. We are accustomed to speak of "an old almanac" as one of the most useless articles existing, but the almanac before us can never become an old one. The merit of the contrivance, as we have already said, is due to Mr. Richard GRAY. It is printed by Mr. TREGASKIS, of St. Day, who has also improved and simplified its arrangement in some points. At the meeting of the Cornwall Polytechnic Society last week, prizes were awarded to both of those gentlemen for the ingenuity they had displayed in its construction. TRINITY COLLEGE, CAMBRIDGE - Among the newly elected Fellows of Trinity College, Cambridge, we observe the name of Mr. WESTLAKE, son of the late Mr. JOHN WESTLAKE, of Lostwithiel. Mr. Westlake took his degree in 1850, when he obtained double first class honours, being sixth wrangler, and sixth in the first class of the classical tripos; he was also a scholar of his college. The election took place on the 10th instant. SALE OF WRECK - The "San Giorgio's" hull and materials were sold at Scilly on the 9th instant. The hull fetched GBP 200, and materials about GBP 100. The hull was purchased by Messrs. DAVIES, WEYMOUTH, and CO., and we understand that she will be refitted, and so soon as possible proceed to the East Indies. Her name will be changed to "The Lion". THE PIG AND THE MIRROR - As some persons, not a hundred miles from Falmouth, were lately removing some household furniture under the rose, a large chimney glass was put in a field, where there were some pigs and cows. The animals knew not what to make of the brilliant novelty, and after gamboling around it innocently for some time, a valiant black porker rushed at his likeness, and found himself in a ditch, a conqueror, surrounded with the shattered fragments of glass and gilt frame. FOWEY PASSAGE AGAIN - On Thursday week, on Crart, the omnibus proprietor, coming to Bodinnick at his usual time, he found the gate about eight or nine feet wide, locked, when he procured a saw and cut it in two. Thus this affair stands at present. To set the matter straight, it will be requisite to go to the superior court, as it is a question of right. CORNWALL COUNTY COURTS - Truro - At the monthly court on Friday last, there were thirty-six cases entered, including two summonses after judgement. In the case of GUNDRY v. TRUSCOTT, heard at the September sitting, judgement was given for plaintiff, for GBP 2. 18s.4d., the difference in the value of the hay at the time of the breach of contract and at the present time. - A defendant named NINNES was committed for thirty days, for contempt of court, in not appearing on summons. - The case of HENRY IVEY v. RICHARD IVEY was the first which has come before this court, of an infant defendant. The action was brought under the 92nd Rule of Court, by an elder brother against his infant brother for payment for board and lodging. It appeared that the plaintiff had taken the defendant into his care and maintained him from brotherly feeling, and that afterwards the defendant ran away, got into work, and lodged with another person who received his wages as remuneration. The case was dismissed, there being no proof of legal obligation in the defendant; but the Court, according to a provision in the 92nd Rule, appointed a guardian for the infant-defendant. The Court rose as early as three o'clock. CORONER'S INQUESTS - The following inquests have been held before Mr. Gilbert HAMLEY, deputy coroner; On Friday the 11th instant, at the parish of Linkinhorne, on the body of JONATHAN HARRIS, who was working in the 15 fathoms level of West Phoenix Mine, on the preceding day, and, having lit the safety-fuse for the purpose of blasting some rock, he made a signal to men above to be hauled to grass. The men proceeded to lift him by the usual means of a horse and windlass. In his ascent he perceived that he was in danger of striking his head against some boards at the 4 fathoms level, and called to the men above to stop pulling, but they could not succeed in doing so in time to prevent his being struck. On coming into collision with the boards, he fell out of the kibble down to the 15 fathoms level where he pitched just as the rock which he had fuzed was blasting, and he received such injuries from the explosion that he died in a few hours after being brought to the surface. Verdict, accidental death. On the following day, at Callington, on the body of a little girl named TREGIMBLE. There being a report that the child had received a blow on the head in the market, coupled with the fact that she had died rather suddenly, an inquest was thought necessary; but it appeared from the evidence that the child, from her birth, had been delicate and subject to asthma, and now and then appeared almost suffocated and scarcely able to breathe. She had been under the care of Mr. HENDER, surgeon, who had always stated she would die suddenly. She had received a blow on her head in the market, by accidentally striking her head against one of the standings, but was not much injured by it. The jury was perfectly satisfied that she died from natural causes and returned a verdict accordingly. On Wednesday, the 15th instant, at the parish of Poundstock, on the body of a man washed ashore at Widemouth, and supposed to be the body of the person who fell over a cliff at Tintagel about three weeks since, but the friends were unable to identify the body. It had on one boot, a shirt, and a sort of smock frock. There being no evidence concerning the matter of his death, the jury returned a verdict of found drowned. At Fowey on the 11th instant, on the body of THOMAS LEE, aged 79. It appeared that the old man, on the previous Thursday evening, had gone to a common privy on Albert Quay. Nothing more was seen of him until next morning, when his body was found to have fallen into the pit behind. Whether he had been seized with a fit or had fallen asleep, and afterwards been stunned by his fall, did not appear, but when dragged from the escape hole next morning about ten o'clock, he was quite dead, having received several bruises which were supposed to have been occasioned by the dashing of the tide. A verdict of accidental death was recorded. Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

Yup, there is a thread on this in the archives for Jan 2006, title is 'Stupid Question'. Legislation was the Church Building Act of 1818. J On 1 Aug 2010, at 13:31, judy olsen wrote: > I know I've taken part in discussions about this before. I thought > it was on this list but cant find the reference. The reason the > vestry tried to limit the practice may have been because it was > considered a health risk. I believe there was an act of Parliament > banning it, some time around 1812. > > > J > > > > > On 31 Jul 2010, at 22:25, <jwmos99@msn.com> <jwmos99@msn.com> wrote: > >> >> The book is "A Cornish Parish; being an Account of St. Austell >> town,church, district and people" by Canon Joseph HAMMOND, 1897. >> It's on Google books, for free. Larry Treverton kindly indexed >> names in the book, and his index is on my website. He'll do >> lookups, or you can look it up using the Google version. >> >> According to Hammond, in one year of the early 1600's, there were >> 13 burials in the church, with 3 of them not from the parish! >> Names were recorded, but not "published" as such. He equated the >> 3s.4d. charge then as being equivalent to about one pound in 1897, >> but I've no idea if that's correct. >> >> During the church rennovations 1839-40, most of the bodies were >> removed from the church, and when the churchyard was "remodeled" >> for street widening, and the graves removed, all other bodies were >> removed. He didn't give great detail, but the bones were reburied >> with full ceremony in the new cemetery (I believe in a common >> grave), and all the gravestones broken up and put into a pit at >> the end of the remaining churchyard, according to the West Briton. >> >> As for "social prominence", I've noted that particular names in >> the parish registers, from the 1600's on, would have the >> designation "Mr." or "Mrs.", and some very few "Esq." or "Gent." >> At the least, it certainly indicates a level of respect. (In St. >> Austell, there weren't Lords and their ladies, or anyone near that >> level of Society.) >> >> Hope you look up the book, and enjoy reading it - >> >> Julia >> >> Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn >> Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell >> W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http:// >> freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad >> Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org >> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:11 -0500 >>> From: >>> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Knuckey & Halls - burial in the church >>> To: >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> Hi All - >>> >>> At least in St. Austell's Holy Trinity, whoever paid the going >>> rate (at one point, 3s.4d.) could be buried in the church, so >>> whether one was included was based on ability to pay, rather than >>> social prominence. In one year, 35 people were thusly buried. The >>> vestry raised the rate eventually to GBP50, in an effort to deter >>> such requests - and finally had to remove all the bodies because >>> the structure was weakened!! (It didn't help to have clay wagons, >>> carrying up to 4 tons, rumbling past day and night.) >>> >>> This information came from a book written in 1897 by the Vicar >>> (Hammond) who loved the old records, and was afraid they'd be >>> lost if he didn't record them. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Julia >>> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: ybowers@gmail.com or CORNISH-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CORNISH-GEN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >