Depends where the ship was leaving for. It may have been that the only ship to Canada in the near future was from a particular port. Tony On 11/10/12 8:44 AM, Carol Collins wrote: > Hi: I have a question about emigration. Would a man, a former miner turned farmer, with a wife and two small daughters, be willing to travel overland with his family from St. Merryn to Malpas, near Truro in 1844 to take passage aboard the ship "Clio"? Or would he be more likely to take passage on the ship "Belle" of Padstow? St. Merryn is only stone's throw away from Padstow. According to this link, the "Clio" was a bigger ship than most and offered better accomodation: http://www.wwjohnston.net/famhist/pedlar1841.htm According to the West Briton for April 1844, under the second heading of Emigration, there seems to have been a lot of people travelling to Malpas, and a lot sailing from Padstow. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wbritonad/cornwall/1844/misc/apr.html Any thoughts? Thanks. Regards, Carol Collins > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim I thought I had these, but some of the details are wrong. I have an Edwin RULE, but baptised on 2 Apr 1826 at Illogan. He is one of six children, all baptised at Illogan, of John RULE and Susanna MILL who married at Illogan on 13 Dec 1817. John RULE was buried at Illogan on 29 June 1828 (aged 38). Susanna then married James FRANCIS on 22 Oct 1829 at Kenwyn. They had one son, Thomas FRANCIS, baptised 3 Jan 1832 at Chacewater. Obviously he is not "Thomas Francis RULE" so I'm not sure if this is the right family as yours, but the details seem promising. (Actually, Thomas FRANCIS is obviously the half-brother, not stepbrother, of Edwin here. Stepbrothers wouldn't be expected to have the same surname, would they? Just a thought....) Susanna FRANCIS and her son Thomas FRANCIS are at Illogan in 1851 - so Thomas cannot be in Wisconsin, unless he went back to Cornwall. And the census shows him as unmarried. I can't find him in 1861. So, interesting, but they are probably not yours! I can't find any baptisms for Edwin RULE or Thomas Francis RULE that fit. Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK -----Original Message----- From: Jim Eustice <[email protected]> To: cornish-gen <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:45 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] More RULEs. Edwin & his stepbrother, Thomas Francis RULE We think Edwin RULE was born Aug.25 1827. He arrived in South Australia via the "Lady Bruce" in 1846. His step-brother, Thomas Francis RULE went to Shullsburg, Wisconsin, USA and an Edwin RULE was born there June 27 1848 and apparently a grandson, son of a Carrie, Edwin WEBB born April 7 1912. Anyone out there related to this RULE family or with knowledge of them before or after this information? ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: I have a question about emigration. Would a man, a former miner turned farmer, with a wife and two small daughters, be willing to travel overland with his family from St. Merryn to Malpas, near Truro in 1844 to take passage aboard the ship "Clio"? Or would he be more likely to take passage on the ship "Belle" of Padstow? St. Merryn is only stone's throw away from Padstow. According to this link, the "Clio" was a bigger ship than most and offered better accomodation: http://www.wwjohnston.net/famhist/pedlar1841.htm According to the West Briton for April 1844, under the second heading of Emigration, there seems to have been a lot of people travelling to Malpas, and a lot sailing from Padstow. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wbritonad/cornwall/1844/misc/apr.html Any thoughts? Thanks. Regards, Carol Collins

Tony I would say the short and sweet answer is that the captain works underground, responsible for the daily running of the mine while the agent works above ground, representing the owners and employing the men? Cheers Pat On 10/10/2012 4:47 PM, Tony Bennett wrote: > Hi List > > > Here's one for the RULE followers: > > > > Will of John RULE, mine agent, of Camborne Veor, Camborne, written 27 Dec 1833, proved in London 21 Jul 1834, mentions: > > > Thomas(?) JEWELL, servant; > Charles RULE, son; > John RULE, son; > William RULE, son; > daughter, Susan, wife of Francis DANIELL; > Abraham MITCHELL, tenant. > Witnessed by Samuel WHEAR & Samuel RAWLINGS. > > > > > John RULE (of Camborne Veor, aged 83),was buried at Camborne on 6 Jun 1834. His second wife, Anne, nee BENNETT, of Camborne Veor, was buried at Camborne on 9 Apr 1822, aged 48. They were married on 9 Aug 1796 at Camborne. John RULE was described as a captain in the mines. He was mentioned as such in will of his father-in-law James BENNETT (1804). > > > > It would be interesting if anyone on the list could explain the difference, if any, between a mine captain and a mine agent. > > > > > Tony Bennett > Cheshire, UK > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Morning all, It seems that this is the family using the OPC data base Parents Edvardi Edmonds of Truro, St Mary Margeria 1619 Edwardus 1616 Hugonis 1617 Henricus 1613 Parents Edvardi and Janoe[ Jane], Truro St Mary Edwardus 1642 Edward 1650 Margeria 1640 Jenniefera 1646 Frauncis 1647 The Will was dated 1 Oct 1650 Probated 1656. Edward, husband of Jane was already deceased by 1650. When Frauncis was bapt the occupation of Edward as given as Maior, I assume this to mean Mayor. Another name I made out in the Will looked like Jacob ASPENALL, Esq and then a Thomas POWELL who was a trustee/administrator along with other names I could not quite make out. Should anyone have connections to this family I would love to hear from you. Bev in Oz

Joanne, This sounds very much like the couple mentioned in the Will. I have mis-placed my slip of paper at the moment with my few jottings, but I remember picking up on Edward as the husband of Jane. They had a son Richard too I think and a daughter Jane A....? Trurew borough certainly fits with what I can read/make out. I will see now if the name Sidnam is mentioned to. Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate getting the info you have found. Regards Bev in Oz -------------------------------------------------- From: "JCM" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:18 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane EDMONDS [Will 1656] of Tarrow Borough,Cornwall > Hi Bev, > > Is there any chance it's Trurew Borough? [i.e. Truro] > > DServe catalogue lists a copy of a lease "Item 1: Parties: 1) Richard > Penwarne, esquire, of Penwarne 2) John Chattey the younger, of the Borough > of Trurew [Truro]. 99 year lease of four ninths of lands lying in the hill > on the north side of the highway leading from Trerew [Truro] towards > Penrin > [Penryn] near an old pair of walls heretofore called the Leapers House, > late > in the tenure or occupation of Edward Edmonds and Jane his wife, the > daughter of Cuthbert Sidnam, deceased, 20 May 1657." > See http://tinyurl.com/8d5jhmy > > There is also a deed/lease "Huthnance tenement, Calenick, Berriper and > Parkean Flud ( top of present Lemon Street); house in Kenwyn Street, > Truro. > 1) release of moiety Beripper, Charles Roskarrock. 1619 2) conveyance of > moiety Berripper in Kenwyn, Cuthbert Sidnam gent of Truro to Edward > Edmonds, > woolen draper. 21 July 1642" > See http://tinyurl.com/8w6gjnd > > > Since the will you have for Jane is dated 1656, this might be a good fit. > Family search has the births of several children of Edward & Jane EDMONDS > christened in Truro in the 1630-1650's, names written in Latin - several > Edwards, Francis and Jane. Family search has the christening of Janae > SYDNAM, daughter of Cuthberti, in Truro on January 3, 1618. > > > There are also a few leases referencing EDMONDS and also Cuthbert SIDNAM > in > Truro in the 1600's on the National Archives site. > > > Joanne > Toronto, Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:42 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane EDMONDS [Will 1656] of Tarrow Borough, > Cornwall > > >> Afternoon all from Australia >> >> I have a Will for above Jane, which I can barely read. If there is anyone >> who is familiar with writing of this time [quite small] with smudges >> would >> like to give it a go, please e-mail me privately and I will send a copy. >> >> I think she has a husband Edward, a son Richard, and daughter Jane Al...? >> >> If any of these names seem familiar to anyone else please get in touch. >> >> Also, where is Tarrow Borough? >> Bev Edmonds >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5317 - Release Date: 10/08/12 >

Hi List Here's another will, closely related to my earlier post of that of John RULE: The Will of James BENNETT, yeoman of Camborne, written 26 Nov 1803, proved 9 Apr 1804, PCC. Mentions: son, Robert; son, Jonathan (stated to be in an apprenticeship); son, James; son, Matthias; son, William (deceased); daughter, Ann RULE and "her children" : William Bennett Rule - under age 14 - is named as one; grandson, Nicholas VIVIAN - under age 14; grandson, Joseph RULE - under age 14; wife, Jane BENNETT - sole executrix; sons in law, Captain John RULE & Nicholas VIVIAN. The Will also mentions a house and dwelling in Wheal Kitty Mine, Camborne "now in the occupation of John BISHOP, William THOMAS, and James RABLIN; and a house and garden in Rosewarne Wartha, Camborne, now in the occupation of Humphry STODDEN. Witnessed by Elizabeth JEFFREE and John GRIBBELL. James BENNETT was buried on 4 Jan 1804 at Camborne. I think he is the James baptised on 8 Jan 1737/38 at Camborne, son of William BENNATTS. He married Jane ALLEN at St Hilary on 3 Apr 1769 - the register refers to "Mr James Bennett, of Camborne, and Miss Jane Allen". His daughter Anne married "Captain" John RULE on 9 Aug 1796 at Camborne. His daughter Julian married Nicholas VIVIAN on 27 Apr 1801 at Camborne. Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK

Hi List Here's one for the RULE followers: Will of John RULE, mine agent, of Camborne Veor, Camborne, written 27 Dec 1833, proved in London 21 Jul 1834, mentions: Thomas(?) JEWELL, servant; Charles RULE, son; John RULE, son; William RULE, son; daughter, Susan, wife of Francis DANIELL; Abraham MITCHELL, tenant. Witnessed by Samuel WHEAR & Samuel RAWLINGS. John RULE (of Camborne Veor, aged 83),was buried at Camborne on 6 Jun 1834. His second wife, Anne, nee BENNETT, of Camborne Veor, was buried at Camborne on 9 Apr 1822, aged 48. They were married on 9 Aug 1796 at Camborne. John RULE was described as a captain in the mines. He was mentioned as such in will of his father-in-law James BENNETT (1804). It would be interesting if anyone on the list could explain the difference, if any, between a mine captain and a mine agent. Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK

Hello Joy, I thought that you had answered my prayers then, there is a long tail of the letter " L " in the word " Last " on the previous line which partly obscures the word. It does look like Tarrow borough though. The other liekly word is Tanrow borough. Thanks heaps for the suggestion. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joy Hungerford" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:19 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane EDMONDS [Will 1656] of Tarrow Borough, Cornwall > > Hi Bev > > If the writing is as obscure as you say, could this be Harrowbarrow, a > village > near Calstock? Just a wild guess. . . > > > Kind regards > > > Joy in the Garden of England > researching WEARING, PEAK, PEAK-GARLAND, RUNDLE, RICH, to name but a few. > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:42:46 +1000 >> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane EDMONDS [Will 1656] of Tarrow Borough, >> Cornwall >> >> Afternoon all from Australia >> >> I have a Will for above Jane, which I can barely read. If there is anyone >> who is familiar with writing of this time [quite small] with smudges >> would >> like to give it a go, please e-mail me privately and I will send a copy. >> >> I think she has a husband Edward, a son Richard, and daughter Jane Al...? >> >> If any of these names seem familiar to anyone else please get in touch. >> >> Also, where is Tarrow Borough? >> Bev Edmonds >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5317 - Release Date: 10/08/12 > >

Afternoon all from Australia I have a Will for above Jane, which I can barely read. If there is anyone who is familiar with writing of this time [quite small] with smudges would like to give it a go, please e-mail me privately and I will send a copy. I think she has a husband Edward, a son Richard, and daughter Jane Al...? If any of these names seem familiar to anyone else please get in touch. Also, where is Tarrow Borough? Bev Edmonds

Hi Bev, Is there any chance it's Trurew Borough? [i.e. Truro] DServe catalogue lists a copy of a lease "Item 1: Parties: 1) Richard Penwarne, esquire, of Penwarne 2) John Chattey the younger, of the Borough of Trurew [Truro]. 99 year lease of four ninths of lands lying in the hill on the north side of the highway leading from Trerew [Truro] towards Penrin [Penryn] near an old pair of walls heretofore called the Leapers House, late in the tenure or occupation of Edward Edmonds and Jane his wife, the daughter of Cuthbert Sidnam, deceased, 20 May 1657." See http://tinyurl.com/8d5jhmy There is also a deed/lease "Huthnance tenement, Calenick, Berriper and Parkean Flud ( top of present Lemon Street); house in Kenwyn Street, Truro. 1) release of moiety Beripper, Charles Roskarrock. 1619 2) conveyance of moiety Berripper in Kenwyn, Cuthbert Sidnam gent of Truro to Edward Edmonds, woolen draper. 21 July 1642" See http://tinyurl.com/8w6gjnd Since the will you have for Jane is dated 1656, this might be a good fit. Family search has the births of several children of Edward & Jane EDMONDS christened in Truro in the 1630-1650's, names written in Latin - several Edwards, Francis and Jane. Family search has the christening of Janae SYDNAM, daughter of Cuthberti, in Truro on January 3, 1618. There are also a few leases referencing EDMONDS and also Cuthbert SIDNAM in Truro in the 1600's on the National Archives site. Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:42 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane EDMONDS [Will 1656] of Tarrow Borough, Cornwall > Afternoon all from Australia > > I have a Will for above Jane, which I can barely read. If there is anyone > who is familiar with writing of this time [quite small] with smudges would > like to give it a go, please e-mail me privately and I will send a copy. > > I think she has a husband Edward, a son Richard, and daughter Jane Al...? > > If any of these names seem familiar to anyone else please get in touch. > > Also, where is Tarrow Borough? > Bev Edmonds > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bev If the writing is as obscure as you say, could this be Harrowbarrow, a village   near Calstock? Just a wild guess. . . Kind regards Joy in the Garden of England researching WEARING, PEAK, PEAK-GARLAND, RUNDLE, RICH, to name but a few. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:42:46 +1000 > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Jane EDMONDS [Will 1656] of Tarrow Borough, Cornwall > > Afternoon all from Australia > > I have a Will for above Jane, which I can barely read. If there is anyone > who is familiar with writing of this time [quite small] with smudges would > like to give it a go, please e-mail me privately and I will send a copy. > > I think she has a husband Edward, a son Richard, and daughter Jane Al...? > > If any of these names seem familiar to anyone else please get in touch. > > Also, where is Tarrow Borough? > Bev Edmonds > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser. Friday 29th August, 1856. WANTED - For an Indian Railway a person of good character, practically acquainted with rock tunnelling. Address, stating age, experience and references, to Mr. W. G. THORPE, 1 Riches Court, City, London. WANTED - For the Cobre Mines, Cuba, Six Sumpmen and Two Enginemen, good reference will be required. For particulars apply to Mr. J. H. REYNOLDS, Redruth. TO PARENTS AND GUARDIANS - Wanted by S. FEAVER, Chemist and Druggist, Duke-street, Truro, a steady industrious Youth, as an Apprentice. Terms may be had on application. MICHAEL OLIVE, Chronometer, Watch, Clock, and Nautical Instrument Maker, Has a vacancy for a respectable Youth as an Apprentice. M.O. would also engage with a Young Man who has partially served his time in the above line, and would wish to improve for a term of not less than three years. Church Street, Falmouth, August 12th, 1856. ADVERTISEMENT - I Hereby Give Notice that my son JOSEPH COULSON THOMAS, about 35 years of age, now residing in Camborne, has been for some time incapable of doing any business, owing to a complaint in his head, and I caution people against doing any money transactions, or supplying him with an Intoxicating Liquors. (Signed) JOHN THOMAS. (Witness) JAMES RULE. ADVERTISEMENT - I BENJAMIN RULE, Miner, Pachues, Mexico, Hereby Give Notice that I will not be answerable for any debts my wife ELISA RULE, of Camborne, may contract after this notice. (signed) Benjamin Rule. (Witness) THOMAS BAWDEN. Dated Pachues, Mexico, July 10th, 1856. CAUTION - I, JOHN TREGONING, of Black Dog, near Chacewater, will not be answerable for any debts my wife, MARY ANN TREGONING, may contract after this notice. (Signed) John Tregoning. (Witness) JAMES GOLDSWORTHY. August 28, 1856. EDUCATION IN GERMANY - Any Lady desirous of Studying in the Prussian capital, where the purest German is spoken, may hear of a Companion. A young English lady lately a pupil in one of the best schools in Berlin intends returning about Michaelmas (via Hamburgh) to finish her education. Particulars may be known of Mr. J. H. DRAW, St. Austell. Dated August, 1856. MARRIAGE LICENSES - The Rev. CHARLES JENKYNS, incumbent of Tuckingmill, and the Rev. W. THOMAS, of Sithney, near Helston, have been appointed surrogates for granting marriage licenses. A MINERS' EXCURSION - The miners working in Cook's Kitchen mine, enjoyed a railway excursion trip to Penzance on Saturday last, accompanied by the agents of the mine and a band. CORNISH BANKS - There are twenty-three banks, including branch banks in the county of Cornwall, the distribution of which gives one bank to every 15,450 persons in the county, taking the whole population as returned by the census in 1851. Falmouth is best supplied with banking accommodation, having one bank to 10,524 persons while Redruth has only one bank to 26,783. This inequality results, it may be presumed, from the rapid increase of population in the latter district, which had increased since 1841, by 5,520, which is more than ten per cent. In the Poor Law Unions of Stratton, Camelford, Launceston, Bodmin, Liskeard, and St. Germans, with a population of 104,670 the number of banks is seven, being one bank to 14,952 persons. In the Poor Law Unions of St. Columb, St. Austell, and Truro, having a population of 91,481, the number of banks is seven, being one bank to 13,069 persons. In Helston Union, with 28,399 inhabitants, there are two banks, being one to 14,199. In the Penzance Union, including Scilly, with 56,017 inhabitants, there are three banks, being one to 18,702 inhabitants. FAST SAILING - The "Cornubia," TYRRELL, master, the property and build of Mr. JOHN TREDWEN, jun., Padstow, performed the voyage from Newport, Monmouthshire, to Plymouth, in the short pace of forty-six hours. Timber laden. VESSEL FOUNDERED - The barque "Elizabeth," of Bideford, TAPLIN, master, from Port Talbot, for Plymouth, with a cargo of coals, sprung a leak and foundered on the 21st instant, off the Land's-end. The crew were saved by the "Schyryd" and landed at Falmouth. CUSTOMS - Mr. ROSS (formerly of Falmouth), collector at Dover, has been appointed to Limerick; Mr. BERESFORD, collector at Penzance, to Dover; Mr. W. H. HOLMES, collector at Galway, to be collector at Penzance; Mr. MARSHALL, principal coast officer at Point, port of Truro, to the same office at Kirkaldy; Mr. SCOTLAND, principal coast officer at Cockenzie, port of Leith, to the same office at Point. PERRANPORTH - This unusually quiet little village was, on Thursday the 21st instant, the scene of most distressing excitement. A party of ladies, with some young gentlemen under their care, had come out from Truro for the purpose of spending the day on the sands, &c., when it was discovered about seven o'clock, that one of the party, a son of the Rev. Mr. BULLOCKE was missing, which caused great alarm, and all efforts to find him proved unavailing up to nine o'clock, when Mr. MARTIN, of the Hotel, and Mr. TRIPNEY, merchant of Perranporth, started on horseback on the Truro road. They then found that Master Bullocke, who had missed his friends had walked on as far as Captain HOLMAN's house, when becoming frightened he had obtained admission there, and received every attention. Mr. Martin and Mr. Tripney at once made all speed back to Perranporth, where the intelligence they brought, filled the hearts of all concerned with joy. Too much praise cannot be given to the inhabitants, and especially to Mr. Martin and Mr. Tripney, for the active and energetic manner in which they conducted the search. REDRUTH COUNTY COURT - re:- CHARLES WILLIAMS, of Hayle, Surveyor and Civil Engineer. This insolvent debtor came up for his first examination. He was supported by Mr. DOWNING and unopposed. The insolvent brought no estate into court but book debts, most of which are of a doubtful character, and the debts on the schedule are about GBP120. His Honour remarked that he considered the insolvent laws not to have been intended for cases of this description, and that it was very improper for an individual earning GBP7 or GBP8 per month, according to insolvent's statement, to wipe off GBP120 worth of debts by merely filing a schedule and appearing in Court twice or three times without making some proposition to his creditors. The insolvent, when he came up for his final order must come prepared to make some reasonable proposition to lay aside out of his wages quarterly or monthly for the ext two years such sum or sums as shall, at the expiration of that time, pay his creditors a respectable dividend. He then passed his first examination. ST. COLUMB COUNTY COURT - A publican of Treganetha, in St. Wenn, sued eight defendants for goods sold and delivered, or, properly, for ale and tobacco drunk and consumed on the premises, amounting in the whole to GBP23. 11s. 4d. In the case of W. D. DODGE v. C. A. OBRAN [?], defendant was committed for thirty days for disobedience of order and non-payment of the debt of GBP4. 7s. 4 1/4 d. TRURO POLICE - On Monday last, before the Mayor, Mr. SPRY, and Mr. NANKIVELL, three boys names CLARKE, STEWART, and LAKE, were charged with stealing apples from an orchard adjoining Kenwyn Street, in the occupation of Mr. MAY, shoemaker, Boscawen Street. A man named SUTTON saw the boys coming out of the orchard very early in the morning of the 21st instant; he seized one of them, and gave information against the others. Mr. May, however, did not wish to press the case, and on the boys promising to abstain from such depredations in future, they were discharged on paying expenses. NICHOLAS PASCOE was charged with assaulting SARAH MARTIN, but the evidence being insufficient, the case was dismissed. On Thursday, CHARLES SUTTON, an apprentice to Mr. JOHN BAWDEN, shoemaker, Pydar Street, was charged with absenting himself from his master's employ, without leave or just cause. He was committed to the House of Correction for one week with hard labour. FALMOUTH POLICE - On Monday last, a married woman named MILLS was committed to the Borough Jail for trial at the next sessions, on two charges of obtaining goods under false pretences. She obtained two dresses from Mr. BANKS, draper, and some flannel from Mr. LANYON, draper. The whole was bought by a marine store dealer for a mere trifle; such shops are often places for receiving stolen goods, and require to be sharply looked after. On Tuesday, a man named MORGAN, of Wales, master of the smack "Ocean," was summoned before the Mayor, Mr. CARNE, at the Guildhall. Mr. JULYAN, superintendant of police, said his attention was called the day before to the ship belonging to Morgan, for retailing coals of short weight. On Julyan stopping one of the bushels and getting it weighed, it was many pounds deficient; he took a second and found it was about 20lbs. short on 84; the cheat was managed by propping the beam so as to make it appear brought down when in reality it was not moved. The defendant said he was not on board his ship at the time; that the mate was delivering the coals, and the scales and weights belonged to Mr. THOMAS, the person who had freighted the ship. He was cautioned not to allow coals to be again retailed in such a manner, and promised that he would see to it in future. PENZANCE POLICE - On Wednesday, before the Mayor and Mr. J. BOASE, RALPH RICHARDS the younger, of Penzance, mason, was fined GBP1 and costs for assaulting WILLIAM CATTRAN, of Newlyn, fisherman, at the Fountain Tavern, kept by JANE EDDY. JOHN SEARLE, jun., attended to give evidence on behalf of defendant, but as it was clear that he had aided and abetted Richards, he was fined 10s. and costs. Both amounts were paid. On Tuesday morning Inspector OLDS's attention was called to a robbery that had been committed; a quantity of reed had been taken away from a storehouse at Taraveor Road belonging to Mr. EDWARD WILLIAMS, butcher. WILLIAM RODDA discovered the gates broken and a quantity of reed in a disordered state. Some was scattered about the premises, and some about the road leading to Adelaide street, as well as about the back of the street, and near the premises of THOMAS UREN, a butcher's assistant, where the clue terminated. On going up stairs into a bedroom a quantity of reed was found thrown about. A sample was taken and it corresponded with what was left in the store house. Uren was taken into custody. He accounted for his possession of the reed by saying that he had it given to him in the pork market - not an unusual circumstance, but that given away is generally dirty and bears marks of use, while this was fresh and new. By his own choice the bench dealt with the case summarily, and he was committed for a month to hard labour. JOHN ROBERTS, against whom an apprehending warrant was issued on Monday, was charged with having neglected to maintain his wife, from whom, however, he had been separated twenty-nine years. Mr. J. PASCOE appeared for him and Mr. R. DAVIES for the wife. Roberts agreed to allow her 1s. 6d. a week. THE FALMOUTH ROBBERIES - Last May, robberies were committed at Falmouth, by breaking and entering the houses of Mr. HILL, Mr. HALY, and Mrs. RYAN. The two BASSETTS were apprehended and committed for these robberies. One of the Bassetts escaped from the county gaol; the other was tried at the assizes and transported for life. We understand that the Devonport police have now a man in custody upon whom has been found a quantity of plated goods, the description of which corresponds with some of the articles stolen at Falmouth. It is also believed that Bassett, who escaped from prison, is in the neighbourhood of Devonport. COMMITTAL FOR FELONY - At Launceston, on Monday last, RICHARD MARTIN and his wife, JOHANNA MARTIN, were committed for trial at the sessions, on charge of stealing porter from Mr. PROCKTER, with whom Richard Martin has lived as a servant upwards of forty years. On account of information which had been received, and in consequence of having lost a considerable quantity, Mrs. Prockter set a watch, and caught them in the very act of carrying off six bottles. Mr. Prockter, who is a very kind and indulgent master, placed unbounded confidence in them. ACCIDENT AT TRURO - On Tuesday night last, shortly before twelve o'clock, Mr. GEORGE WILLIAMS, of Trevince, Mr. P. TOM, of Rosedale, near Truro, and Mr. G. MICHELL, of Gwennap, were riding up Lemon Street, Truro, in Mr. G. Williams's dog-cart, when on arriving opposite St. John's School-room, the shafts broke, the vehicle fell back, and its occupants were thrown one over another into the road. The horse, a fine spirited animal, commenced plunging and kicking violently, and started off with the dog-cart after him, held on by the traces, up the hill on the Falmouth road, but was there met by police constable PAPPIN who had witnessed the accident, and succeeded in turning the horse, which then ran with the dog-cart a short way up Daniell Street, but here one of the traces broke, and the animal again commenced kicking and plunging, and running round with the vehicle attached by one trace. Mr. G. WILLIAMS, who had speedily regained his legs, here came to the assistance of the policeman, and the horse was secured and led down the street to Pearce's Royal Hotel, where Mr. Williams ordered a carriage, and they proceeded on their journey. The horse was not al all injured, but the dog-cart was considerably damaged. MINE ACCIDENT - On Monday last, as JOHNSON GLANVILLE, of Camborne, a lad about twelve years old, was descending to his work in Condurrow Mine, he missed his hold and fell off the ladder a depth of twelve fathoms. He had one thigh broken in two places, his head severely injured, and sustained several other bad bruises and cuts; but hopes are entertained of his recovery. FATAL ACCIDENTS - On Tuesday the 10th instant, as EDMUND WILLS, a man in the employ of the Rev. D. JENKINS, of Gorran, was returning from Mevagissey with the postbag, a donkey by the side of the road frightened the horse on which he rode, so that it reared, threw him off, and then fell on him. The poor man was so much injured that he lingered until Thursday, when he died. On Sunday last, WILLIAM COLEMAN, tailor, of Pittimie, St. Minver, being on horseback, and attempting to open a gate, the horse started, when he fell off and the horse fell on him, and so injured him that he lived but three hours afterwards. CORONERS' INQUESTS - The following inquests have been held before Mr. JOHN CARLYON, county coroner. On the 23rd instant, at Gorran, on the body of EDWIN WILLS, aged 57 years. The particulars of the accident which caused Wills's death are given above. Verdict, "accidental death." On Monday the 25th, at Gwennap, on the body of JOHN BRANCH, aged 56 years. The deceased was a smith, working at Wheal Buller mine, and went to Kistler's public-house at Redruth on Friday, to take up his share of pay. In the course of the evening, he complained of being unwell, and went home and threw himself on the bed. His wife and daughter did not take much notice of it, fancying that he was suffering from the effects of the drink he had taken; but in the course of the night he became worse, and died suddenly. Verdict, "visitation of God." The following inquests have been held before Mr. HICHENS, county coroner:- On the 21st instant, in the parish of Germoe, on the body of JOHN RICHARDS, aged 39 years. The deceased worked at Wheal Vor United Mines, in the parish of Breage, and met with his death on the 19th in the parish of Breage, and met with his death on the 19th instant by the sudden explosion of a hole, which he and his comrade were preparing to blast. Verdict, "accidental death." On the 23rd instant, in the parish of Phillack, on the body of ELLEN BRANCH, aged 15 months. The deceased was taken unwell on the 21st, and as they lived in the country, the mother on the following morning determined on taking her to Mr. MUDGE, at Hayle, the surgeon who attended the family, and having left home with the child in her arms, she proceeded with her towards Mr. Mudge's residence, but before she reached it, the child died. Verdict, "accidental death." On the 25th, in the parish of Camborne, on the body of JAMES BURGAN [?], aged 12 years, who was accidentally drowned whilst bathing at a cove called Green Bank, in the said parish, on the 16th instant, and whose body was picked up on the 23rd. Verdict, "accidentally drowned."

Hi Everyone - Was just reminded today about some of the great websites our Listers have established. One such is "Stonemen" - a list of stone workers, engravers, masons, china clay labourers, etc. from Cornwall. Even has a few joiners and carpenters. Joan Tabor from Colorado has complied quite an extensive list - over 67,000 entries thusfar - with the earliest being 1370. Some entries are more comprehensive than others, but many contain true jewels, such as emigration information. One even explained why one of "my" Thomas tribe returned to Cornwall; he'd had an accident at the Devon docks, and lost the sight in one of his eyes. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~stonemen Hope this helps someone find details on their relies, and encourages others to keep on collecting! Cheers, Julia

Here's another Camborne Will - The Will of George BENNATS of Camborne, written (?)1 Jan 1740/41, proved 25 Oct 1742, names the following: daughter Clarinda BENNATS; daughter Jane BENNATS; wife Grace BENNATS; son George BENNATS (executor). Inventory includes livestock indicating that George has the occupation of husbandman or yeoman. This is George who married Grace (surname not given) on 23 Dec 1699 at Camborne. I believe he is probably a son of Francis BENNETT and Florence JACKA, born about 1670 (there is a gap in their children's baptisms). George BENNATS was buried at Camborne on 1 Apr 1742. Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK

Hi Tony You wrote: --------------- Can I bother you about Mary RULE while I'm on this THOMAS clan? You have Mary the daughter of John RULE and Mary PERKING (baptised 29 Mar 1725) as the wife of John THOMAS, marrying in 1760. I know you must have your reasons. There are researchers out there who think that John THOMAS actually married a much younger Mary RULE, the daughter of Henry RULE and Mary BORLASE, baptised on 28 Mar 1742. I think whichever Mary RULE it is, we get quickly back to the same ancestry, as John RULE (b 1694) is a half-brother of Henry (b 1710/11). Naming patterns do suggest it is the older Mary (she had a brother called Stephen, a name appearing in the next THOMAS generation). And of course her last child is born in 1766, which would be early if it is the younger Mary. Have you any other thoughts that would make this more conclusive? As for the identity of John THOMAS, husband of Mary RULE, one feels very little hope.... --------------- First of all, no bother. And I have the same amount of hope as you in regard to the identity of John THOMAS. So, to Mary RULE... You have outlined some of the reasons why I went for the older Mary - I think the main reasons, perhaps, were that there were only three THOMAS children - Mary bapt 1761 (m 1785 Richard LUKE, I think), James bapt 1763 (m 1791 Jane RULE) and Jane bapt 1766 (fate unknown), and, as you say, the occurrence of the name Stephen in the THOMAS line. The younger Mary RULE, dau of Henry RULE and Mary BORLASE/BORLACE, might have been the one who was married by licence in 1761 to William BENNATTS - but with your interest in that surname, perhaps you can say definitively. This Mary's older brother, James RULE (bapt 1736) seems to be the one who married 1760 to Ann BENNETT (with children Francis 1765, Anne 1767 and Richard 1770). I kind of liked the theory that brother and sister RULE married the sister and brother BENNETT/BENNATTS - but I don't know if William BENNATTS and Ann BENNETT were so connected. Another possible marriage for the younger Mary RULE is 1773 to John BOWDEN, but I haven't followed up on that at all. It would be great to find some wills or other evidence connected to all of these families, to give us a more solid base. In the mean time, I'll stick with my tentative conclusion, and hope that someone can successfully challenge or prove it! All the best Peter

Hi Irene That does seem a fair way to go, and it was presumably in search of better work - I guess agricultural labour, although others will know better than I do about the types of employment available around St Kew. However, I think they must have walked: "Even as late as 1760 there was scarcely a stretch of road in the county fit for wheeled traffic, and it is said that there was then only one cart in Penzance...." (F E Halliday, A History Of Cornwall, 2001 edition, p 306). best wishes Tony Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK -----Original Message----- From: Irene Marlborough <[email protected]> To: cornish-gen <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 20:24 Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Mary Rule This is a neat little bit of analysis to sort out who's who. Thanks very much - it's very instructive. I was also interested that your THOMASes could have moved from St Kew to the Camborne area. Mine appear to be going the other way. I have been curious as to what would make people move a reasonable distance like this. I have Richard ROSKELLY (lots of variant spellings) and his wife Avis (nee THOMAS) who married at St Keverne, baptised their first child there in 1695 but by the baptism of the next child in 1696 were in St Kew. It seems quite a long way really - 50 miles or so by road. They'd have had to walk, wouldn't they? Maybe a cart for their belongings? Richard's brother John and his wife Mary CHEIFER made the same trip a bit later sometime between 1709 and 1714. Why would they go to St Kew and leave the rest of the kin behind? Just wondering.... Best wishes, Irene ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a neat little bit of analysis to sort out who's who. Thanks very much - it's very instructive. I was also interested that your THOMASes could have moved from St Kew to the Camborne area. Mine appear to be going the other way. I have been curious as to what would make people move a reasonable distance like this. I have Richard ROSKELLY (lots of variant spellings) and his wife Avis (nee THOMAS) who married at St Keverne, baptised their first child there in 1695 but by the baptism of the next child in 1696 were in St Kew. It seems quite a long way really - 50 miles or so by road. They'd have had to walk, wouldn't they? Maybe a cart for their belongings? Richard's brother John and his wife Mary CHEIFER made the same trip a bit later sometime between 1709 and 1714. Why would they go to St Kew and leave the rest of the kin behind? Just wondering.... Best wishes, Irene

Hi Peter You have made some excellent points. And I have had a look at these BENNETTS/RULE marriages and I think we have a workable set of hypotheses! I think William BENNETTS (baptised 24 May 1741) and Anne BENNETTS (baptised 14 Nov 1737) are indeed a pair of siblings who married a pair of RULE siblings. They are both children of William BENNETTS and Ann BASTIAN. William senior's will does not mention the marriage status of any of his daughters. How inconsiderate! But this does fit. Anne BENNETTS and James RULE (baptised 11 Jan 1735/36) had children named William and Anne (after her parents), and Francis (presumably after one of her brothers, Francis BENNETTS bapt 22 Apr 1744); they also named a son Richard presumably after one of James' brothers. This is all helpful. In the case of the other couple, William BENNETTS and Mary RULE (let's assume she is the one baptised 28 Mar 1742) named a son Samuel, presumably after one of William's brothers; they also have a William, Mary and Richard. Incidentally Mary BENNETTS, a widow, is buried in 1813, aged 73 (near enough). (There is no Henry anywhere, after the RULE father, but at least they're consistent.) So this does seem to take Mary RULE 1742 out of the equation for the marriage to John THOMAS in 1760. We can't look at any naming patterns from the THOMAS side as we don't know who John is, but if it is Mary RULE baptised 29 Mar 1725, they have children named after her mother (Mary) and one of her sisters (Jane). My earlier comment about the occurrence of the name Stephen in the next generation is I think a red herring. James THOMAS 1763 and Jane RULE 1767 have a son called Stephen, but that is the name of one of Jane's brothers. However, neatly, that Jane RULE is a daughter of John RULE 1731/32, and he is a brother of Mary RULE 1725, so we have a nice cousinly marriage between James and Jane. All sorted? It looks convincing enough for now, anyway, and I can happily accept Mary RULE 1725 as the wife of John THOMAS. Incidentally, the absence of John THOMAS - actually of two of them, as there is another who married Prudence WOOLCOCK in Camborne in 1757 and must be about the same age - from the Camborne baptisms suggests that they both migrated from elsewhere, but where is anyone's guess. There is a good candidate from St Kew. If you think that's a bit far, it is less than the distance that my ancestor Richard CLIFTON moved at about the same period, from Week St Mary to Camborne. The Camborne area was of course rapidly expanding at this time. Another example is Morris THOMAS who was in Camborne in the 1730s and 1740s, who came from St Austell originally. We don't want it to be easy, though, do we...? all the best Tony Tony Bennett Cheshire, UK

Hi Tony and all Tony, you are a legend. Many thanks for posting the THOMAS wills. It helped me to eliminate a "possible" connection that I had earlier considered. I have corrected my THOMAS of Camborne tree, which can be seen at: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~peterpjw/FHthomascamborne.html That possible connection was that my Jane THOMAS bapt 19 May 1766 at Camborne may have been the one who married William VINCENT, but the will you posted disproves that. Earlier, I had included William VINCENT on my web page (hoping that someone would challenge it if wrong). Too bad if other researchers blindly copied it!! ;-) I hope I'm right with Richard LUKE as husband for my Jane's sister Mary THOMAS - nobody has challenged it to date! Keep them coming, Tony! All the best Peter Williams Australia