Bill, the two Edwards you mention can be found at: http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2288528 http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=340665 Bob Bolitho On 13/11/2012 1:30 AM, Bill Curnow wrote: > Rowena, > > In his book "Cornish Immigrants to South Africa," Graham B. Dickason has two > references to Edward PASCOE, one or both of which may pertain to your > Edward. Part V of the book is a "List of Early Cornish Immigrants to South > Africa," and page 102 of that section includes the following: > > "PASCOE, Edward, 1855-27.12.1892 Barberton, h of Mary Louisa. PASCOE, > Edward, Liskeard 1858-16.5.1892 Johannesburg (Br)." > > In the first reference, the birth year (1855) is off, but the marriage to > Mary Louisa may be a clue helpful to you. In the second reference, the > birth year (1858) is correct; the birth location (Liskeard) is wrong but > might conceivably have been confused with Ludgvan. The abbreviation Br > means that he was buried at Braamfontein, Johannesburg. > > Both references say the man died in 1892, but with two different 1892 dates > we may indeed be dealing with two different men named Edward PASCOE. > > Our friend "in scarlet," John Carbis, focuses on the Cornish in South > Africa, and may have further info for you. > > Please let me know if any of this makes sense to you, since I'd like to be > sure that my records for this Ludgvan man are as complete as possible. > > > Bill Curnow > Ludgvan OPC > Port Charlotte, FL, USA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rowena Gough" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:16 PM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Edward Pascoe died South Africa > > >> Dear List, >> >> I am wanting to follow up on a family oral history that tells of the death >> of Edward PASCOE in South Africa in 1892. >> >> Would anyone currently have access to Ancestry South Africa who would be >> able to check this for me? >> >> Edward PASCOE was born in 1858 in Ludgvan to Edward PASCOE and Emily >> HARVEY. >> He was a tin miner and mine agent. The family oral history tells that he >> specialised in ore dressing, and became one of the pioneers in >> Johannesburg, >> Transvaal. >> >> Hoping that someone may be able to help. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Rowena >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:16:14 -0500 (EST) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] FW: Use of "Alias" (als) in Cornwall > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thank you very much for providing this informative article. This a > totally new area of Cornwall genealogy research for me. I am wondering it there > might be an explanation within the "Alias" article which may explain the > existence of seemingly separate, non-related, CRAGOE and CREGOE families > living concurrently in adjacent parishes in Cornwall. > > Steade Craigo > Hello Steade - I'm not certain why 2 families would be living in adjacent parishes, with competing spellings of their surname, but can come up with suppositions. In my own family, one brother suffered what he thought was unjustified mistreatment by the government, and felt his only recourse was to protest, which he did. For the protest, he was jailed for 2 years. His brothers, and their families, couldn't stand the shame, so they moved and changed the spelling of their surname, adding a "s". we only know that's what happened because one of them wrote to their relatives, and the letter was saved in an old bible. We established links between the brothers from early church, land, and tax records; the government always had records for their requirements, it seems. Remember that another person said surnames were first given when personal taxes were levied! For other families, I would suspect that at some time, a "cadet" branch of a family chose to be distinguished from another - persons in one line wanted to be sure their line was distinct from another - but to maintain a link to the common point of origination. Or they wanted to maintain a unique spelling so property would continue in that unique line. would you think that might be the case in your family? Cheers, Julia

Dear All, please ignore my previous message. Just found this one and it is not the right dates for my g grandfather and uncle. Sorry for the intrusion. > Hello Isabel and listers with UK- SA research... > > Whilst the dates included in the following book maybe too early for your > enquiry, it is a very good resource for anyone researching their ancestors > who may have migrated to and from South Africa... > > "Aided immigration from Britain to South Africa 1857-1867" > by Esmè Bull... 766pp > > Contents include: > .......List of British immigrants to South Africa (list includes name, age, > occupation, origin, ship and departure date) > > > .......List of Children's names via "Children's Friend Society" from Britain > (including orphans) listing the 34 Ships they travelled on, also departure > dates from the following: Cowes, Deal, Downs, Falmouth, Gravesend, London, > Plymouth and Portsmouth. between 1833-1839. Also arrival dates. > > Whilst the above list includes 100's of names alphabetically,  it is > incomplete because names of arrivals were not printed in the Government > Gazette or in contemporary newspapers nor have the local records of the CFS > been preserved........... They are not held by the Cape Archives, the SAL, > Jagger Library, UCT, or Cory Library, Grahamstown, nor are they amongst the > personal papers of the men who served as local office bearers. > The Public Record Office, Kew, England holds no archival material concerning > the CFS...... The Royal Commission on Historical Manuscripts, Chancery Lane > London who hold a National Register of Archives have no entry for > CFS........The only record of the names of these children is in the report > of  the committee who investigated their living conditions in 1839 which > appears in Cape Archives OPB 1/5 No 5..........the reports of this committee > can also be found in Irish University Press Series: British Parliamentary > Papers, Colonies Africa. Vol 21: Cape of Good Hope, sessions 1837-47. > > .....List of English women married to men of the German Legion before they > left for British Kaffraria 1856/57 (includes husband's name, marriage place > and date) some married aboard ship. > > Also lists departures from South Africa... Including... > > ......Emigrants to Australia and New Zealand  (list includes name, > occupation, origin, ship) > > ......Emigrants to the U.S.A. > > ......Ships to New Zealand included; > Susanne, Sir George Grey, Steinwarder, Alfred, Reihersteig, Maori, Eveline, > Frederick Bassil. (includes passenger list and departure dates) > > .......Ships to Australia were; > Seashell, Henry Ellis, Good Hope. (includes passenger list and departure > dates) > > .......List of Ships from Britain to South Africa included in book are: > Ascendant > Aurifera 1 > Bermondsey > Burlington > Bride1 > Bride11 > Ceres > Chatham > Chile Stanley > Coldstream 1 > Coldstream 11 > Edward Oliver > Gipsy Bride > Indian Queen > Jalawar > John Vanner > Lord Raglan > Matilda Atheling 1 > Matilda Atheling 11 > Maria Somes > New Great Britain > Phoebe Dunbar > Rajasthan > Royal Charlie > Sclavonia > Sedgemoor 1 > Sedgemoor 11 > Shah Jehan > Tudor > Wellington > and others........ > > > Regards > Hilton Doidge > New Zealand > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:13 PM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Cornish immigrants to South Africa. > > >> Hi Bill and anyone researching Cornish roots in South Africa, >> >> Any chance of looking up in the book of Cornish immigrants to South >> Africa for the surname of PROUT.  I have two Cornish ancestors, one - >> Nigel Elford - Prout whom I know a little about, and another just found >> - Frederick Prout.  I have only just found out about Frederick, and >> wonder if there is any mention in the book about the surname.  He would >> have been there pre 1st WW, come back to fight in France and Germany, >> and then returned to South Africa. >> >> Any help greatly appreciated - from anyone? >> >> Isabel. > > ------------------------------- > Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842

Hi, missed the beginning of this discussion but I have a John Stevens and son William Stevens probably at the same mine. He was in cornwall for the 1891 census and died in SA in November 27, 1897. Cannot find him on a ship's list as yet so don't have an exact date. They were living in Penzance prior to SA. Hoping you can help. I also have Prowses in my family line. Thank you for any help. You usually are a wealth of information at least for my family lines! > Isabel, > > Dickason (page 103) shows the following:  "PROUT, William.  Redruth > 26.7.1869, Came to SA 1896, General Manager of Witwatersrand GM."  I suspect > (not sure) that GM = Gold Mine.  That's the only PROUT entry, but there are > a number of folks named PROWSE. > > > Bill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:13 AM > Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Cornish immigrants to South Africa. > > >> Hi Bill and anyone researching Cornish roots in South Africa, >> >> Any chance of looking up in the book of Cornish immigrants to South >> Africa for the surname of PROUT.  I have two Cornish ancestors, one - >> Nigel Elford - Prout whom I know a little about, and another just found >> - Frederick Prout.  I have only just found out about Frederick, and >> wonder if there is any mention in the book about the surname.  He would >> have been there pre 1st WW, come back to fight in France and Germany, >> and then returned to South Africa. >> >> Any help greatly appreciated - from anyone? >> >> Isabel. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information >> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription > information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   Carolyn Haines Holt, MI 48842

Bev, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that this man is the Richard GARTRELL, s/o Remfry & Catherine GARTRELL, who was baptized at Phillack in 1685. The parents had at least five children, all baptized at Phillack: Catherine bap. 1678 Elizabeth bap. 1680 John bap. 1684 Richard bap. 1685 Thomas bap. 1687 I don't know what became of Catherine. However, Elizabeth married a John HOLMAN at Phillack in 1716, and they had at least three children: Catherine bap. 1711 Elizabeth bap. 1714 Elizabeth bap. 1724 The first two daughters were baptized at Phillack, but the third daughter (i.e. the second Elizabeth) was baptized at St. Ives. This isn't a lot of evidence, but the shoe does potentially fit. Bill Curnow Port Charlotte, FL, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard GARTRELL Will 1731 of St george in the East,Mdz > Morning all, > > Yesterday I was was looking at Wills and came across a Will for a Richard > GARTRELL [looking for GASTRELL], merchant of St George in the East, Mdx. > The > Will was written 15 May 1731 and Probated 14 Dec 1731 [PROB 11/648] > In the Will he mentions wife Mary plus leasehold estate in Plymouth in the > Co. of Devon " which I hereby order and direct shall not be sold to be > placed out of interest arising thereby to be paid and appin...ee? in the > manner herein after mentioned ' > One third to his wife > Two thirds to my daughters Mary and Catherine [to share and share alike] > > My sisters Catherine and Elizabeth of St Ives in Cornwall one guinea each. > > Hope this is of interest to anyone researching this name. > > Bev in Toowoomba waiting for a partial eclipse. > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Arlene, I'm aware of two books on Cornish immigrants in South Africa, and there are probably more. The first (and more frequently helpful to me) is the previously mentioned "Cornish Immigrants to South Africa" by Graham B. Dickason published by A. A. Balkema of Cape Town in 1978. The second is Richard D. Dawe's "Cornish Pioneers in South Africa" published in 1998 by Cornish Hillside Publications of St. Austell. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene Amodei" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Reply quoted text > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:42 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >>> On 13/11/2012 1:30 AM, Bill Curnow wrote: >>>> Rowena, >>>> >>>> In his book "Cornish Immigrants to South Africa," Graham B. Dickason > > > Bill, > I didn't know there was a book on Cornish Immigrants to South Africa. My > grandmother, Kate Hoskin Williams immigrated in 1903 or 04 after her > parents, Josiah (died 26 Jan 1902,) and Mary Vivian Laity Williams (died > 24 May 1903) died. I can find no record of her leaving, only the family > story that she left with a friend. She married Emil Ferdinand Hansen (a > Boer War vet) in Sept 1907. If anyone has any information on her I would > love to have it. Her parents died in Ludgvan, but I still have not found > their burial place. I know the Church cemetery has been checked and I > believe Crowlas. > > Cheers, > Arlene Hansen Amodei > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In 1928 one of my husband's Cornish cousins, Samuel Ernest Radcliffe, arrived at Quebec on 30th September with his 'wife' and three 'daughters' travelling on passports issued in Jersey (Channel Islands) about a week before they embarked on their transatlantic voyage at Southampton. Samuel's wife was definitely still living and as far as I can tell there had been no divorce. His 'wife' Florence Bray also had a living spouse but no divorce. Once arrived in North America it seems that Florence and her daughters reverted to using the surname Bray and at various times Samuel referred to both Florence and her daughters as nieces. I would be most grateful if someone could tell me whether this was an unusual event or was it widely known that passports could be easily obtained in Jersey without proof of marriage etc? Best wishes Rosemary Rodliffe Our resources available on-line: Links from <http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/rs_resources.html> http://www.thornburypump.co.uk/rs_resources.html to: Black's Guides to Cornwall 1879, Gloucestershire 1875 and South Wales 1883; Kelly's Directories of Norfolk and Cambridgeshire 1900 Newnes Round the Coast 1895 Return of Owners of Land in Norfolk 1873 Advice on dating UK portrait photographs

Dear All, The Edward PASCOE I previously posted on, had a brother Richard Harvey PASCOE, son of Edward PASCOE 1833-1908 and Emily HARVEY 1832-1912. I'll post separately as I'm searching for his wife. Richard PASCOE was born 17 Apr 1862 Ludgvan and bapt 17 July 1865 Methodist Chapel, Ludgvan. He started using the middle name of Harvey in the USA. Richard PASCOE was a mining engineer and manager, who filled prominent positions in the mines of the far west US. His last appointment was Superintendent of Mammoth Mines, Shoshone County, Idaho, where he lost his life at 47 years, on the night of 26 April 1910, in an avalanche which overwhelmed his house killing he and his two children, Eddie and Ina. His wife Edith Pascoe and daughter Katie survived. Richard PASCOE was included on his parents monumental inscription in St. Neot Cemetery. There were a number of news stories in north American newspapers that are available digitally on "Chronicalling America" website - one below at the bottom of email. Richard PASCOE married Edith HALSE c.1886. I have not been able to find a marriage registration - could anyone help with this and also her birth reg. or even a baptism? I havn't been able to find anything on OPC or FreeBMD under Halse. Some further info on her and her children below. The Cornish Global Migration Programme, names Richard Harvey PASCOE's wife as Edith HALSE, born Gwennap in 1869. The 1871 Census for Trevarth Village, Gwennap, shows Edith HALSE, 3, born Gwennap, with parents Richard HALSE 42, b. Gwennap, Miner, Mary, 44, b. Gwennap, and siblings John, Mary Jane, Catherine, Richard and Eth. The 1881 Census records the HALSE family in the same location, mother Mary HALSE is a widow, age 50, Edith is 12, sister Katie is 20, a Tailoress, and brother Richard is 15, a Tin Miner. Edith and Richard Harvey PASCOE had three children. 1). Ina PASCOE born c.1887 England - 1910 Idaho 2). Eddie PASCOE born c.1892 Butte, Montana, USA - 1910 Idaho. 3). Katharine J. PASCOE b. 1894 Montana, USA. She married John James LEAN (b.1892 St. Gluvias) in 1914 in Falmouth, and they had a daughter Ina P. LEAN, born 1916 Falmouth. 1930 US Census, the LEAN family were in New York, where he was a secretary to the New York Port Authority. Back to Edith (nee Halse) Pascoe In 1904 Edith PASCOE and children arrived Ellis Island on the ship SS St. Paul, on 4 Aug 1904, from Southampton England (27 July 1904). All noted as US citizens: Mrs. Edith Pascoe 34, Ina 15, Katie 10 and Eddie 10. The 1910 US Census lists Edith and Katie PASCOE living in Coeur D'Alene, Kootenai County, Idaho as boarders: Edith Pasco 41, widow, issue 3 children, 1 living child, born England, parents born England, year emigrated to the USA 18_5 (unclear), and Katie Pasco, boarder, 17, single, born Montana. The following year in 1911, Edith PASCOE was back in Cornwall with her daughter Katie, and were visitors in the home of brother-in-law William PASCOE, and his family. The 1911 C. shows them in St. Neot, Liskeard, Cornwall, enumerated as: Edith Pascoe, Sister-in-law, 43, Widow, born Trevarth, Lanner, Cornwall, U.S.A. Citizen (Visitor); Katie Louisa Pascoe, Niece, 19, Single, born United States of America, U.S.A. Citizen (Visitor). Edith is in the 1920 US Census, with her sister in Brooklyn, Kings County, New York: Edith Pascoe age 50, widowed, occ. general nurse, birthplace Utah, parents from England. Unable to find her in the 1930 or 1940 US Federal Census. She is likely to have died in New York, where her daughter's family was living. Kind regards to all, Rowena ........................................................... The San Francisco Call, Tuesday, March 1, 1910 Avalanches Reported Through Wide Area in Couer d'Alene Mining District. Spokane, wash., Feb. 28.- Wife Escapes, Husband Killed. "My husband, where is he?; cried Mrs Pascoe, wife of the dead superintendent of the Strandard Mine, when rescuers pulled her out of a mangled mass of twisted iron bed rails under 40 feet of snow at Mace. Only a cast iron bedpost which protected her saved her from instant death. Her husband, who was sleeping alongside her, was battered beyond recognition. Three children of the Pascoe family lost their lives, but little Katie was rescued by a toiling crew of brawny miners after being wounded on the head by a piece of flying steel. Mrs. R. H. Pascoe, who was rescued at Mace this morning badly injured, relates her experiences as follows: "I was sleeping soundly when our house was struck by the slide. The roar of the avalanche awakened me and I had just sat up in bed wondering what the noise was when our house was struck. I was thrown from the bed across the room and the iron bed was hurled on top of me. I remember nothing after that until rescued." Those who dug Mrs Pascoe from the ruins of her home found her securely pinned down by the twisted frame of the iron bed. Her life was probably saved by this protection.

On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:42 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> On 13/11/2012 1:30 AM, Bill Curnow wrote: >>> Rowena, >>> >>> In his book "Cornish Immigrants to South Africa," Graham B. Dickason Bill, I didn't know there was a book on Cornish Immigrants to South Africa. My grandmother, Kate Hoskin Williams immigrated in 1903 or 04 after her parents, Josiah (died 26 Jan 1902,) and Mary Vivian Laity Williams (died 24 May 1903) died. I can find no record of her leaving, only the family story that she left with a friend. She married Emil Ferdinand Hansen (a Boer War vet) in Sept 1907. If anyone has any information on her I would love to have it. Her parents died in Ludgvan, but I still have not found their burial place. I know the Church cemetery has been checked and I believe Crowlas. Cheers, Arlene Hansen Amodei

Hi Rowena Joy's calculation below is correct. The transcriptions of West Briton in the list archives shows marriage of Edith HALSE to George LEWIS in 1887. LEWIS - HALSE - At Redruth, February 28, Mr. George Lewis, eldest son of Mr. Thomas Lewis, Pink Moors, St. Day, to Edith, youngest daughter of the late Mr. Richard Halse, Lanner Moor, Gwennap. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CORNISH-GEN/2003-10/1067178070 Joanne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe and Edith Halse Hi Rowena, I think Edith may have been a widow when she married Richard. An Edith HALSE married either George LEWIS or Joseph John COCK Mar 1887 Redruth and the only Ina birth registered registered Redruth district about the right time is Ina Mary LEWIS Jun 1887 so George LEWIS seems probable. Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: Rowena Gough <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 1:06 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe and Edith Halse Dear All, The Edward PASCOE I previously posted on, had a brother Richard Harvey PASCOE, son of Edward PASCOE 1833-1908 and Emily HARVEY 1832-1912. I'll post separately as I'm searching for his wife. Richard PASCOE was born 17 Apr 1862 Ludgvan and bapt 17 July 1865 Methodist Chapel, Ludgvan. He started using the middle name of Harvey in the USA. Richard PASCOE was a mining engineer and manager, who filled prominent positions in the mines of the far west US. His last appointment was Superintendent of Mammoth Mines, Shoshone County, Idaho, where he lost his life at 47 years, on the night of 26 April 1910, in an avalanche which overwhelmed his house killing he and his two children, Eddie and Ina. His wife Edith Pascoe and daughter Katie survived. Richard PASCOE was included on his parents monumental inscription in St. Neot Cemetery. There were a number of news stories in north American newspapers that are available digitally on "Chronicalling America" website - one below at the bottom of email. Richard PASCOE married Edith HALSE c.1886. I have not been able to find a marriage registration - could anyone help with this and also her birth reg. or even a baptism? I havn't been able to find anything on OPC or FreeBMD under Halse. Some further info on her and her children below. The Cornish Global Migration Programme, names Richard Harvey PASCOE's wife as Edith HALSE, born Gwennap in 1869. The 1871 Census for Trevarth Village, Gwennap, shows Edith HALSE, 3, born Gwennap, with parents Richard HALSE 42, b. Gwennap, Miner, Mary, 44, b. Gwennap, and siblings John, Mary Jane, Catherine, Richard and Eth. The 1881 Census records the HALSE family in the same location, mother Mary HALSE is a widow, age 50, Edith is 12, sister Katie is 20, a Tailoress, and brother Richard is 15, a Tin Miner. Edith and Richard Harvey PASCOE had three children. 1). Ina PASCOE born c.1887 England - 1910 Idaho 2). Eddie PASCOE born c.1892 Butte, Montana, USA - 1910 Idaho. 3). Katharine J. PASCOE b. 1894 Montana, USA. She married John James LEAN (b.1892 St. Gluvias) in 1914 in Falmouth, and they had a daughter Ina P. LEAN, born 1916 Falmouth. 1930 US Census, the LEAN family were in New York, where he was a secretary to the New York Port Authority. Back to Edith (nee Halse) Pascoe In 1904 Edith PASCOE and children arrived Ellis Island on the ship SS St. Paul, on 4 Aug 1904, from Southampton England (27 July 1904). All noted as US citizens: Mrs. Edith Pascoe 34, Ina 15, Katie 10 and Eddie 10. The 1910 US Census lists Edith and Katie PASCOE living in Coeur D'Alene, Kootenai County, Idaho as boarders: Edith Pasco 41, widow, issue 3 children, 1 living child, born England, parents born England, year emigrated to the USA 18_5 (unclear), and Katie Pasco, boarder, 17, single, born Montana. The following year in 1911, Edith PASCOE was back in Cornwall with her daughter Katie, and were visitors in the home of brother-in-law William PASCOE, and his family. The 1911 C. shows them in St. Neot, Liskeard, Cornwall, enumerated as: Edith Pascoe, Sister-in-law, 43, Widow, born Trevarth, Lanner, Cornwall, U.S.A. Citizen (Visitor); Katie Louisa Pascoe, Niece, 19, Single, born United States of America, U.S.A. Citizen (Visitor). Edith is in the 1920 US Census, with her sister in Brooklyn, Kings County, New York: Edith Pascoe age 50, widowed, occ. general nurse, birthplace Utah, parents from England. Unable to find her in the 1930 or 1940 US Federal Census. She is likely to have died in New York, where her daughter's family was living. Kind regards to all, Rowena ........................................................... The San Francisco Call, Tuesday, March 1, 1910 Avalanches Reported Through Wide Area in Couer d'Alene Mining District. Spokane, wash., Feb. 28.- Wife Escapes, Husband Killed. "My husband, where is he?; cried Mrs Pascoe, wife of the dead superintendent of the Strandard Mine, when rescuers pulled her out of a mangled mass of twisted iron bed rails under 40 feet of snow at Mace. Only a cast iron bedpost which protected her saved her from instant death. Her husband, who was sleeping alongside her, was battered beyond recognition. Three children of the Pascoe family lost their lives, but little Katie was rescued by a toiling crew of brawny miners after being wounded on the head by a piece of flying steel. Mrs. R. H. Pascoe, who was rescued at Mace this morning badly injured, relates her experiences as follows: "I was sleeping soundly when our house was struck by the slide. The roar of the avalanche awakened me and I had just sat up in bed wondering what the noise was when our house was struck. I was thrown from the bed across the room and the iron bed was hurled on top of me. I remember nothing after that until rescued." Those who dug Mrs Pascoe from the ruins of her home found her securely pinned down by the twisted frame of the iron bed. Her life was probably saved by this protection. ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much for providing this informative article. This a totally new area of Cornwall genealogy research for me. I am wondering it there might be an explanation within the "Alias" article which may explain the existence of seemingly separate, non-related, CRAGOE and CREGOE families living concurrently in adjacent parishes in Cornwall. Steade Craigo In a message dated 11/10/2012 9:21:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi All - I've been told this article has helped some people with problems they've had in finding relies. It was written with lots of help and examples from people on the List; the original may be found on my website, freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell, under Genealogy. There's also an article on the Poor Laws which might be of interest as well. Hope this proves of help to some. Cheers, Julia . The CURIOUS CUSTOM of USING ALIASES by J. Mosman . While Cornwall is not singular in its use of aliases, the practice has been long-standing, and is very important to genealogical researchers. Many 'brick walls' can be attributed to this cause; but with luck, perhaps an aged person with a good memory, and lateral thinking, one may overcome the difficulties. . As John Chynoweth said, in his book "Tudor Cornwall", "There are particular problems in identifying some individuals in Cornwall because of the many families which changed their surname, used aliases or patronymics, had more than one living child with the same given name, or had cadet branches with the same surname." These practices were not limited to "the gentry" who, because of land interests, made limited use of patronymics. According to Chynoweth, in the 1569 Muster Lists, 41% of the able-bodied men of St. Ives thus mustered had the forenames of their fathers as surnames. . What is properly termed an 'alias'? The online 1911 Encyclopedia says: ALIAS - (Latin for “at another time”) [or “otherwise”], a term used to connect the different names of a person who has passed under more than one, in order to conceal his identity, or for other reasons; or, compendiously, to describe the adopted name. The expression “alias dictus” was formerly used in legal indictments, and pleadings, where absolute precision was necessary in identifying the person to be charged, as “John Jones, alias dictus James Smith.” The adoption of a name other than a man’s baptismal or surname need not necessarily be for the purpose of deception or fraud; pseudonyms or nicknames fall thus under the description of an alias. Where a person is married under an alias, the marriage is void when both parties have knowingly and wilfully connived at the adoption of the alias, with a fraudulent intention. . Evidently, by 1911, the term had negative connotations, but that was not so in earlier times. . In Cornwall, use of surname aliases occurred most frequently in the period when use of surnames was being established - the 1460's to 1600's. By the 1500's, the practice of using alias surnames in Cornwall was sufficiently established for them to be recorded in official documents, as evidenced by frequent mentions in various registers -especially those of Breage - wills, and manorial court documents. One of the earliest uses of aliases in Cornwall was a marriage in Liskeard in 1540 for Thomas LAWRENCE alias CODE. The last mention in this line appeared in 1761, in Callington, recording the death of Margaret LAWRENCE alias CODE. For this family, use of the alias was worthwhile for 221 years. . In other parts of Britain, use of surname aliases became common in the 1500s for southern areas, slowly spreading northward. In 1575, John VOVVEL alias HOOKER, gentleman, published "Order and usage of keeping the parlement in England" in London. 75 years later, a genealogist maintains "surnames were just settling into common usage in this section of rural Yorkshire [in 1646], and parish records contain many alias names." The Ireland TENURES ACT, 1662, contains mention of dame Jane CHICHESTER, alias ITCHINGHAM, wife, and in Foxe's Book of Martyrs, Catherine Finlay alias KNIGHT appears. . By the end of the 18th century, as surnames were more or less static, use of an alias was not as pronounced in "respectable" families, and by the mid-1800's such use became associated with criminals, and those trying to escape their past. . Most historians believe that the use of Cornish Surname aliases usually reflects one of the following circumstances: . 1. Retention of patronymics. During the 16th century many men were reluctant to abandon ancestral names and consequently retained the forenames of their fathers or grandfathers as surnames. For example William HARRY of Luxulyan in 1547 was described as William HARRY alias WATT - Watt being his grandfather's forename. . 2. Retention of topographical reference points - especially in relation to a manor or place name from which some families derived their surnames. A case in point is that of John RICHARDS of Bosavarne (1547) who had a son Thomas BOSAVARNE (1620) who had a son Martin THOMAS alias BOSAVARNE (1620). . One can often determine where a person lived, as well as other tidbits, by their surname; for example, JOHN RIPPER alias CROHALL, or Cariohall, (meaning "of Crawle"). In the 16th century, it was not unusual for a farmer to be born and grow up on a particular farm, for example Tresize, and be known as John Thomas TRESIZE, son of Thomas TRESIZE; he would then marry, and either buy or rent another farm, and become John Thomas TREGONNING; lastly, as a prosperous farmer, he moved to a much bigger farm, and became John Thomas TREGAIR (which in Cornish means “camp town”.). . 3. Commemoration by descendants of a marriage to a heiress, or to a member of a "socially superior" family. In some cases, persons legally changed their names to obtain an inheritance from a line in their family which was in danger of 'dying out'. In St. Austell, Sir CHARLES GRAVES SAWLE GRAVES is such an example. He was Charles Graves Sawle, with his mother's maiden name as his second name; on his maternal uncle's death, he took that gentleman's surname, and became his legal heir. . 4. Illegitimacy. For example John RESKYMER had an illegitimate son with Margaret GERBER named John RESKYMER alias GERBER. In later generations the son may well have been baptised as John Reskymer GERBER which, as with the use of an alias, served the purpose of publicly proclaiming his parental origins. . 5. Rights of inheritance, and other economic reasons. . For instance, in the days of copyhold land, a persons’ entitlement to land was recorded only in the manor court rolls. Deeds as we know them did not exist. The only “proof” one had that one owned particular land was in the “ copy” rolls. If a woman was widowed, and later remarried, the children of her first marriage often took the name of the step-father. But, to maintain their right to their inheritance, they would use the step-father’s name as an alias. There were variations in this practice. In one well-documented case, circa 1558, William CAMBORN(E) married Elinor Wilton PAYNTER, a widow with seven children, and adopted the surname of her first husband, becoming William CAMBORNE alias PAYNTER of Trelissick, St. Erth. Their descendants used both Paynter and the alias, with the use of Paynter eventually overtaking the use of Camborne.. . Of course, aliases might be used in cases of adoption, as well. . It must be kept in mind that not everyone in a particular family used the same, or any, alias, and an alias might be used by someone who married into the family, not just those born into it. As the example from Liskeard shows, the use of particular aliases could be a long-lived practice; in that case, the alias was maintained for 221 years. . Fortunately, the use of two (or more) surnames sometimes appear in wills, the benefactor wishing to be unambiguous about the potential beneficiary. Manorial records and, later, land records may also be sources of information. . Spelling, however, was fluid, and most frequently records were in Latin. . As for forenames, traditional Cornish naming practices almost guaranteed serveral persons with the same fore-and-surnames occurred in every generation, which encouraged the use of nicknames and aliases. One often finds variations on a theme, such as a man called Tiny (because he was a very big baby), a father called John, and a grandfather called Jack -all of whom were legally named John. . 1. Persons were often given the fore-names of their godparents. In the 1550's, five ERISEY daughters were baptised; four of which were given the name of one godmother. . 2. Many families gave multiple children in the same generation the same forename - for instance, Marianne SYMONS, Mary Ann SYMONS, Mary Anne SYMONS, and Mary SYMONS in Ruan Lanihorne circa 1815-1830. Be sure to check for burial records, as assuming Marianne b. 1817 is the same person as Mary Anne, b. 1828, could lead to quite interesting, and misleading, results! . 3. During the early 1800's, the Cornish adopted the custom of using Paternal Grandmother's names as second given names. Interestingly, one example is William Stanbury TREGLOWN, whose paternal grandmother was Jenifer STANBURY; "Stanbury" came from the village near Morwenstow where they lived. Not only is he an example of the use of paternal grandmother's names, it ties to "topographical" references too. . Less frequently, the maternal grandmother's name was used. . Of course, the mother's maiden name was also used in naming children. Many families followed this practice. It always is worthwhile to investigate "middle" names as possible maiden names for a mother or grandmother. . In all these cases, use was made of the names to distinguish a particular line, or family, from another, and to tie the family to the maternal line as well. . A very well-known Cornish habit was to give names to people which tied into personal features, or a person's job, etc. The result could be a teasing name they never escaped (Moley Brown). In addition, many ordinary Cornish folks 'adopted' a forename of their own choice, and were known by that name throughout their lifetime, especially toward the end of the 1800's. Ellen THOMAS of Camborne took the name "Nance", and was married and buried under that name; all records of Ellen disappeared after her baptism. . The West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser newspaper of 1836-1855 often mentioned aliases; most were ordinary names, but some were slang. For instance: . John HORN alias HORNABROOKE Frances LETCHER, alias KEAST (a widow) Mrs. Nancy DOWNING, alias DUNN, ELIAS, BRYANT (precisely as printed - she was marrying J. WILLIAMS, her 4th husband) Alfred PURELL, alias Alfred PILCE John KELLY, alias John MARTI, alias LITTLE JACK Elizabeth CULLIS, alias Rough Face Jack (she was pock-marked) Samuel GLASSON, alias The Ferret, of Truro (quite infamous in his day) Francis O'NEILL, alias "One-eyed Lankey" . And of course, the infamous John Nicholas TOM, alias Sir William Percey Honeywood COURTENAY of Canterbury, who succeeded in fooling an entire county into believing he was of noble birth. See the West Briton transcriptions, June, 1838 for his story. . It benefits a researcher to keep in mind that names found in the census which don't agree with baptismal records are not necessarily a mistake - they could reflect an alias. . As Jim Thompson, a Cornish Rootsweb lister, has said -"These aliases or nicknames can often help with genealogy, or more often defy attempts to figure them out until more research is done." . "My great grandmother was born Catherine Berryman, but was always called Katie Clinch and later Old Katie Clinch. The Katie bit was self-evident, and later the old bit was logical as she lived to be 104, but Clinch was a mystery until I obtained some old large scale maps and some help from Rick Parsons. She was born at Polmanter Water in Towednack according to all family lore, but there on the map at Polmanter Water was a tiny lost hamlet of “ Rough and Clinch”. When I did get her birth certificate it was listed as Clinch Towednack". . "My great grandfather Philip Hosking was known as Black Fel, due to his dark eyes and hair." . One genealogist has been quoted as saying “I attribute the use of aliases to the Cornish sense of humor, and a plot to discourage genealogists in future generations.” Unfortunately, for many, that is all too true. There is no doubt that the use of aliases can be a fascinating, if not perplexing, topic for all genealogists studying the history of Cornish surnames. ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, That is very helpful indeed. The family history which was written down and given to me, does not have a marriage for him, so that is something else to investigate. It may mean that there were 2 Edward Pascoe's in South Africa, or that the marriage was in Sth Africa. Ok, I'm hoping now that John Carbis may have something further to add to clarify the different Edward Pascoe dates. Beyond that, my next step will be to find a South African Rootsweb List that I can post a query to. Thank you Bill. I'll keep in touch and let you know whatever I can pin down. Edward Pascoe had a brother Richard Pascoe who died in an avalanche which swept into a mining town in Idaho in 1910. I'll post separately as I'm searching for his wife. Kind regards, Rowena -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Curnow Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012 1:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Edward Pascoe died South Africa Rowena, In his book "Cornish Immigrants to South Africa," Graham B. Dickason has two references to Edward PASCOE, one or both of which may pertain to your Edward. Part V of the book is a "List of Early Cornish Immigrants to South Africa," and page 102 of that section includes the following: "PASCOE, Edward, 1855-27.12.1892 Barberton, h of Mary Louisa. PASCOE, Edward, Liskeard 1858-16.5.1892 Johannesburg (Br)." In the first reference, the birth year (1855) is off, but the marriage to Mary Louisa may be a clue helpful to you. In the second reference, the birth year (1858) is correct; the birth location (Liskeard) is wrong but might conceivably have been confused with Ludgvan. The abbreviation Br means that he was buried at Braamfontein, Johannesburg. Both references say the man died in 1892, but with two different 1892 dates we may indeed be dealing with two different men named Edward PASCOE. Our friend "in scarlet," John Carbis, focuses on the Cornish in South Africa, and may have further info for you. Please let me know if any of this makes sense to you, since I'd like to be sure that my records for this Ludgvan man are as complete as possible. Bill Curnow Ludgvan OPC Port Charlotte, FL, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowena Gough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:16 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Edward Pascoe died South Africa > Dear List, > > I am wanting to follow up on a family oral history that tells of the death > of Edward PASCOE in South Africa in 1892. > > Would anyone currently have access to Ancestry South Africa who would be > able to check this for me? > > Edward PASCOE was born in 1858 in Ludgvan to Edward PASCOE and Emily > HARVEY. > He was a tin miner and mine agent. The family oral history tells that he > specialised in ore dressing, and became one of the pioneers in > Johannesburg, > Transvaal. > > Hoping that someone may be able to help. > > Kind regards, > > Rowena > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rowena,   I think Edith may have been a widow when she married Richard.  An Edith HALSE married either George LEWIS or Joseph John COCK Mar 1887 Redruth and the only Ina birth registered registered Redruth district about the right time is Ina Mary LEWIS Jun 1887 so George LEWIS seems probable.   Regards,   Joy ________________________________ From: Rowena Gough <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 1:06 Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe and Edith Halse Dear All, The Edward PASCOE I previously posted on, had a brother Richard Harvey PASCOE, son of Edward PASCOE 1833-1908 and Emily HARVEY 1832-1912. I'll post separately as I'm searching for his wife. Richard PASCOE was born 17 Apr 1862 Ludgvan and bapt 17 July 1865 Methodist Chapel, Ludgvan. He started using the middle name of Harvey in the USA. Richard PASCOE was a mining engineer and manager, who filled prominent positions in the mines of the far west US. His last appointment was Superintendent of Mammoth Mines, Shoshone County, Idaho, where he lost his life at 47 years, on the night of 26 April 1910, in an avalanche which overwhelmed his house killing he and his two children, Eddie and Ina. His wife Edith Pascoe and daughter Katie survived. Richard PASCOE was included on his parents monumental inscription in St. Neot Cemetery. There were a number of news stories in north American newspapers that are available digitally on "Chronicalling America" website - one below at the bottom of email. Richard PASCOE married Edith HALSE c.1886. I have not been able to find a marriage registration - could anyone help with this and also her birth reg. or even a baptism? I havn't been able to find anything on OPC or FreeBMD under Halse. Some further info on her and her children below. The Cornish Global Migration Programme, names Richard Harvey PASCOE's wife as Edith HALSE, born Gwennap in 1869. The 1871 Census for Trevarth Village, Gwennap, shows Edith HALSE, 3, born Gwennap, with parents Richard HALSE 42, b. Gwennap, Miner, Mary, 44, b. Gwennap, and siblings John, Mary Jane, Catherine, Richard and Eth. The 1881 Census records the HALSE family in the same location, mother Mary HALSE is a widow, age 50, Edith is 12, sister Katie is 20, a Tailoress, and brother Richard is 15, a Tin Miner. Edith and Richard Harvey PASCOE had three children. 1). Ina PASCOE born c.1887 England - 1910 Idaho 2). Eddie PASCOE born c.1892 Butte, Montana, USA - 1910 Idaho. 3). Katharine J. PASCOE b. 1894 Montana, USA. She married John James LEAN (b.1892 St. Gluvias) in 1914 in Falmouth, and they had a daughter Ina P. LEAN, born 1916 Falmouth. 1930 US Census, the LEAN family were in New York, where he was a secretary to the New York Port Authority. Back to Edith (nee Halse) Pascoe In 1904 Edith PASCOE and children arrived Ellis Island on the ship SS St. Paul, on 4 Aug 1904, from Southampton England (27 July 1904). All noted as US citizens: Mrs. Edith Pascoe 34, Ina 15, Katie 10 and Eddie 10. The 1910 US Census lists Edith and Katie PASCOE living in Coeur D'Alene, Kootenai County, Idaho as boarders: Edith Pasco 41, widow, issue 3 children, 1 living child, born England, parents born England, year emigrated to the USA 18_5 (unclear), and Katie Pasco, boarder, 17, single, born Montana. The following year in 1911, Edith PASCOE was back in Cornwall with her daughter Katie, and were visitors in the home of brother-in-law William PASCOE, and his family. The 1911 C. shows them in St. Neot, Liskeard, Cornwall, enumerated as: Edith Pascoe, Sister-in-law, 43, Widow, born Trevarth, Lanner, Cornwall, U.S.A. Citizen (Visitor); Katie Louisa Pascoe, Niece, 19, Single, born United States of America, U.S.A. Citizen (Visitor). Edith is in the 1920 US Census, with her sister in Brooklyn, Kings County, New York: Edith Pascoe age 50, widowed, occ. general nurse, birthplace Utah, parents from England. Unable to find her in the 1930 or 1940 US Federal Census. She is likely to have died in New York, where her daughter's family was living. Kind regards to all, Rowena ........................................................... The San Francisco Call, Tuesday, March 1, 1910 Avalanches Reported Through Wide Area in Couer d'Alene Mining District. Spokane, wash., Feb. 28.- Wife Escapes, Husband Killed.  "My husband, where is he?; cried Mrs Pascoe, wife of the dead superintendent of the Strandard Mine, when rescuers pulled her out of a mangled mass of twisted iron bed rails under 40 feet of snow at Mace. Only a cast iron bedpost which protected her saved her from instant death. Her husband, who was sleeping alongside her, was battered beyond recognition. Three children of the Pascoe family lost their lives, but little Katie was rescued by a toiling crew of brawny miners after being wounded on the head by a piece of flying steel. Mrs. R. H. Pascoe, who was rescued at Mace this morning badly injured, relates her experiences as follows: "I was sleeping soundly when our house was struck by the slide. The roar of the avalanche awakened me and I had just sat up in bed wondering what the noise was when our house was struck. I was thrown from the bed across the room and the iron bed was hurled on top of me. I remember nothing after that until rescued." Those who dug Mrs Pascoe from the ruins of her home found her securely pinned down by the twisted frame of the iron bed. Her life was probably saved by this protection. ------------------------------- Listmom:  [email protected] or [email protected] Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rowena, The two grave marker photos provided by Bob Bolitho nail down the identification of your Edward PASCOE, since the monument identifies him as the son of Edward and Emily. The monument also says he was of Liskeard. That too makes sense. Although born at Ludgvan, his parents left that parish for Scotland and Wales when he was quite young. The family was back in Cornwall at St. Neot (close to Liskeard) at the 1881 and 1891 Census. Young Edward would have thought of himself as of St. Neot and vicinity, because that's where he did most of his growing up. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Bolitho" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Edward Pascoe died South Africa > Bill, the two Edwards you mention can be found at: > > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=2288528 > http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=340665 > > Bob Bolitho > On 13/11/2012 1:30 AM, Bill Curnow wrote: >> Rowena, >> >> In his book "Cornish Immigrants to South Africa," Graham B. Dickason has >> two >> references to Edward PASCOE, one or both of which may pertain to your >> Edward. Part V of the book is a "List of Early Cornish Immigrants to >> South >> Africa," and page 102 of that section includes the following: >> >> "PASCOE, Edward, 1855-27.12.1892 Barberton, h of Mary Louisa. PASCOE, >> Edward, Liskeard 1858-16.5.1892 Johannesburg (Br)." >> >> In the first reference, the birth year (1855) is off, but the marriage to >> Mary Louisa may be a clue helpful to you. In the second reference, the >> birth year (1858) is correct; the birth location (Liskeard) is wrong but >> might conceivably have been confused with Ludgvan. The abbreviation Br >> means that he was buried at Braamfontein, Johannesburg. >> >> Both references say the man died in 1892, but with two different 1892 >> dates >> we may indeed be dealing with two different men named Edward PASCOE. >> >> Our friend "in scarlet," John Carbis, focuses on the Cornish in South >> Africa, and may have further info for you. >> >> Please let me know if any of this makes sense to you, since I'd like to >> be >> sure that my records for this Ludgvan man are as complete as possible. >> >> >> Bill Curnow >> Ludgvan OPC >> Port Charlotte, FL, USA >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rowena Gough" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:16 PM >> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Edward Pascoe died South Africa >> >> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> I am wanting to follow up on a family oral history that tells of the >>> death >>> of Edward PASCOE in South Africa in 1892. >>> >>> Would anyone currently have access to Ancestry South Africa who would be >>> able to check this for me? >>> >>> Edward PASCOE was born in 1858 in Ludgvan to Edward PASCOE and Emily >>> HARVEY. >>> He was a tin miner and mine agent. The family oral history tells that he >>> specialised in ore dressing, and became one of the pioneers in >>> Johannesburg, >>> Transvaal. >>> >>> Hoping that someone may be able to help. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Rowena >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] >>> >>> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >>> information >>> http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] >> >> Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription >> information http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Isabel, Dickason (page 103) shows the following: "PROUT, William. Redruth 26.7.1869, Came to SA 1896, General Manager of Witwatersrand GM." I suspect (not sure) that GM = Gold Mine. That's the only PROUT entry, but there are a number of folks named PROWSE. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:13 AM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Cornish immigrants to South Africa. > Hi Bill and anyone researching Cornish roots in South Africa, > > Any chance of looking up in the book of Cornish immigrants to South > Africa for the surname of PROUT. I have two Cornish ancestors, one - > Nigel Elford - Prout whom I know a little about, and another just found > - Frederick Prout. I have only just found out about Frederick, and > wonder if there is any mention in the book about the surname. He would > have been there pre 1st WW, come back to fight in France and Germany, > and then returned to South Africa. > > Any help greatly appreciated - from anyone? > > Isabel. > > > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bill and anyone researching Cornish roots in South Africa, Any chance of looking up in the book of Cornish immigrants to South Africa for the surname of PROUT. I have two Cornish ancestors, one - Nigel Elford - Prout whom I know a little about, and another just found - Frederick Prout. I have only just found out about Frederick, and wonder if there is any mention in the book about the surname. He would have been there pre 1st WW, come back to fight in France and Germany, and then returned to South Africa. Any help greatly appreciated - from anyone? Isabel.

WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 7 November, 1856 . Births. . At Trevrè , Kenwyn, on Friday last, the wife of E.T. Carlyon, Esq., solicitor, of a daughter. . At Truro, on the 25th ult., the wife of Mr. Pine, saddler, of a son. . At Truro, on Sunday last, the wife of Mr. John Nodder, of a daughter. . At Penryn, on Saturday last, the wife of the Rev. James Mayne, of Constantine, of a daughter. . At Falmouth, on the 26th ult., the wife of Mr. John Pitts, butcher, of a son; and on Sunday last, the wife of Mr. John Triggs, merchant, of a son. . At Penzance, on Tuesday last, the wife of Mr. Frank Symons, of a daughter; and on Wednesday, the wife of Mr. John Oliver, eating house keeper, of a daughter, . At St. Ives, the wife of Mr. John Michell, of a son; and the wife of Mr. James Langford, of a daughter. . At Boswednack, in the parish of Zennor, the wife of Mr. Thomas Boase, of a son. . At Treen, in the parish of Zennor, the wife of Mr. Thomas Mann, of a daughter. . At Hayle, on Friday last, the wife of Mr. H. Harris, of a son; and the wife of Mr. George Jones, of a son. . At Hayle Copperhouse, lately, the wife of Mr. Edward Chegwin, of a daughter. . At Gwinear Church town on the 30th ult., the wife of Mr. Thomas Williams, of a daughter. . At Manor Downs, in the parish of Gwinear, on the 30th ult., the wife of Mr. Thomas White, of a son. . At Camborne, on the 23rd ult., the wife of Mr. James, draper, of a daughter. . At Redruth, the wife of Mr. John Bishop, cooper, of a daughter; the wife of Mr. Richard Harris, of a son; and the wife of Mr. James Harris, of a daughter. . At Trethawle, in the parish of Menheniot, on the 29th ult., the wife of Mr. Thomas Pollard, of a son. . At Bodmin, the wife of Mr. William Ellery, of the Royal Cornwall Rangers Militia, of a son; the wife of Mr. Charles Ham, of twins; and the wife of Mr. William Lander, of a son. . At Camelford, on the 23rd ult., the wife of Mr. Broad, blacksmith, of a son; and on Friday last, the wife of Mr. Samuel Langdon, of a daughter. . At Liskeard, on the 26th ult., the wife of Mr. Henry Brendon, chemist, of a son, . At Tavistock, on the 30th ult., the wife of Mr. James Harvey, assayer, of a daughter. . At 2 Landsdowne place, Plymouth, on Friday last, the wife of J. Fincher Trist, Esq.., of a son. . At Alton terrace, Plymouth, on Saturday last, the wife of W.H. Paddon, Esq., of a a daughter. . At 7 Boon's Place, Plymouth, on Wednesday last, the wife of Alfred Broad, Esq. of a son. . MARRIAGES . At the Superintendent Registrar's Office, Falmouth, on Saturday last, Mr. John Pool, Bible Christian Minister, to Miss Emma Jane Southard, both of Penryn; and on Tuesday last, Mr. Daniel Phillips to Miss Marian Symons, both of St. Gluvias. . At the Registrar’s Office, Penzance, on the 27th ult., Mr. John Trevorrow, of St. Ives, to Miss Mary Elizabeth Hosking of Penzance; Mr. Naboth Osborn to Miss Grace Harry, both of Sennen; and on Monday last, Mr. James Goopanew, of Gulval, to Miss Mary Jane Hancock, of the same parish. . At the Friends' Meeting House, Penzance, on the 29th ult., Mr. Thomas Edmunds, of Tottenham, Middlesex, to Rebecca, eldest daughter of the late Mr. J. Hallat, grocer, of Penzance. . At Wesley Rock Chapel, Penzance, Mr. Joseph Barnes, of Stable Hobba, to Miss Ann Maria Rodda, of Tredavoe. . At Madron, on Saturday last, Mr. Samuel Lukes, of Illogan, to Jane, third daughter of the late Mr. Jacob Curnow, of Madron. . At the parish church of St. Just, on Saturday last, Mr. Thomas Botheras to Miss Lucinda Veale; and on Monday, Mr. Richard Veale to Miss Peggy Veale. . At Illogan Church, on Saturday last, Mr. Joseph George, of Portreath, to Miss Mary Ann Champion. . At the Ebenezer Chapel, Luxulyan, on the 22nd ult., Mr. William Williams, of Bodmin, to Miss Elizabeth Nicholls, of the same place. . At the Registrar's Office, Bodmin, last week, Mr. John Hooper, of St. Tudy, to Miss Hannah Barratt, of the same parish. . At the Methodist Chapel, Bodmin, last week, Mr. Wm. Henry Cock, of St. Winnow, to Miss Mary Elizabeth Honey, of Lostwithiel. . At Tavistock Church, on the 30th ult.,Mr. Gibbs, of London, to Miss Floyd, of Tavistock; and on Saturday last, Mr. Mitchel, engineer, of Devon Great Consols, to Mrs. Floyd, mother of the above Miss Floyd. . Deaths. . At Tredrea, on Saturday last, Michael Beauchamp, only child of M.H. Williams, Esq., aged 5 months. . At Truro, on Monday last, Mr. John George, hairdresser. . At Truro, on Monday last, after a painful illness, the wife of Mr. Richard Rowe, aged 28 years. . At Penryn, on the 30th ult., Nanny, wife of Capt. R. Gilbert, of the schooner "Helston," aged 47 years. . At Goldsithney, on Saturday last, Jane, widow of the late Capt. John Grose, aged 48 years. . At Penzance, on Saturday last, Jane, wife of Mr. James Bevan Coulson, merchant, aged 27 years; and Mrs. Sally Stranger, aged 45 years. . At Madron, on the 27th ult., Mary, wife of Mr. William White, aged 77 years; and at Trevethack, in the same parish, Louisa Jane, infant daughter of Mr. William Wallis. . At Carnella, in the parish of Zennor, Miss Christiana Mathews, aged 31 years. . At Illogan Church-town, on the 20th ult., Miss Mary Gribble, aged 24 years; and at Illogan Downs, on Saturday last, Elizabeth, daughter of Mr. Daniel Roberts, aged 19 years. . At Hayle Copperhouse, on Sunday last, Mary Jane Thomas, infant daughter of Mr. William Mitchell. . At Penpol, in the parish of Phillack, on Sunday last, Philippa, daughter of Mr. Peter Oatey, aged 5 years. . At Pool, on Saturday last, Mr. James Trewhela, agent at Tincroft mine, aged 46 years. . At Tuckingmill, on Friday last, Mr. James Rowe, aged 28 years. . At Redruth, on the 30th ult., Mr. Richard Lawry, aged 51 years; on Friday las, the wife of Mr. John Maddern, innkeeper, aged 67 years; and on Sunday, Elizabeth, youngest daughter of Mr. Josiah Prowse, aged 21 years. . At Hill Head, St. Columb, on Monday last, Mr. Henry Cock, aged 58 years. . At Charlestown, on Friday last, Mr. James Louis, aged 88 years. . At Spit, near Fowey, last week, Elizabeth, wife of Mr. John Hellier, aged 46 years. . At Cardynham Lodge on Saturday last, after a short illness, Miss Grose, daughter of William Grose, Esq., of St. Kew, aged 17 years. . At Laweddon Mills, near Bodmin, on the 26th ult., Mr. Samuel Higman, late of Roche, aged 25 years. . At Camelford, on Saturday last, the infant child of W.D. King, Esq. . At Tregoodwell, near Camelford, on Saturday last, Mr. John Chenoweth, aged 90 years. . At Liskeard, on Wednesday last, the wife of Mr. John Williams, of the Roseland Vale Foundry, aged 44 years. . At Coldrenick, in the parish of St. Germans, on the 25th ult., Nicholas, only surviving child of Mr. Nicholas Sharp, sub-contractor on the Cornwall Railway. . At the Vicarage, Padstow, on Saturday last, after a lingering illness, Helena Sibella, eldest daughter of the Rev. R. Tyacke, aged 17 years. . At Plymouth, on the 29th ult., Emma, wife of Mr. N. B. Symons, of Hampt, Stoke Climsland, aged 24 years. . At East Stonehouse, on the 29th ult., Katharine, wife of Thomas Bate, Esq., late of Truro, and daughter of the late George Skipp, Esq., of the Grange, Gloucestershire, aged 75 years. . At Plymouth, on Saturday last, Mr. Henry Heydon, eldest son of Mr. H.H. Heydon, printer and stationer, aged 32 years. . At Budleigh Salterton, on Sunday last, John Beckley, Esq., late of Lymington, in the county of Hants, since of Paignton, aged 63 years. . At Eton, London, on Sunday last, Georgina, wife of Charles Edward Coleridge, Esq., barrister-at-law, aged 21 years. . At Lime Grove, Chertsey, on the 26th ult., Julia Frances, wife of James Thomas Edge, Esq., and daughter of Samuel Trehawke Kekewich, Esq., of Peamore, Devon.

Dear List, I am wanting to follow up on a family oral history that tells of the death of Edward PASCOE in South Africa in 1892. Would anyone currently have access to Ancestry South Africa who would be able to check this for me? Edward PASCOE was born in 1858 in Ludgvan to Edward PASCOE and Emily HARVEY. He was a tin miner and mine agent. The family oral history tells that he specialised in ore dressing, and became one of the pioneers in Johannesburg, Transvaal. Hoping that someone may be able to help. Kind regards, Rowena

Rowena, In his book "Cornish Immigrants to South Africa," Graham B. Dickason has two references to Edward PASCOE, one or both of which may pertain to your Edward. Part V of the book is a "List of Early Cornish Immigrants to South Africa," and page 102 of that section includes the following: "PASCOE, Edward, 1855-27.12.1892 Barberton, h of Mary Louisa. PASCOE, Edward, Liskeard 1858-16.5.1892 Johannesburg (Br)." In the first reference, the birth year (1855) is off, but the marriage to Mary Louisa may be a clue helpful to you. In the second reference, the birth year (1858) is correct; the birth location (Liskeard) is wrong but might conceivably have been confused with Ludgvan. The abbreviation Br means that he was buried at Braamfontein, Johannesburg. Both references say the man died in 1892, but with two different 1892 dates we may indeed be dealing with two different men named Edward PASCOE. Our friend "in scarlet," John Carbis, focuses on the Cornish in South Africa, and may have further info for you. Please let me know if any of this makes sense to you, since I'd like to be sure that my records for this Ludgvan man are as complete as possible. Bill Curnow Ludgvan OPC Port Charlotte, FL, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowena Gough" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:16 PM Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Edward Pascoe died South Africa > Dear List, > > I am wanting to follow up on a family oral history that tells of the death > of Edward PASCOE in South Africa in 1892. > > Would anyone currently have access to Ancestry South Africa who would be > able to check this for me? > > Edward PASCOE was born in 1858 in Ludgvan to Edward PASCOE and Emily > HARVEY. > He was a tin miner and mine agent. The family oral history tells that he > specialised in ore dressing, and became one of the pioneers in > Johannesburg, > Transvaal. > > Hoping that someone may be able to help. > > Kind regards, > > Rowena > > ------------------------------- > Listmom: [email protected] or [email protected] > > Visit the OPC (Online Parish Clerk) web page for transcription information > http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

ROYAL INSTITUTION OF CORNWALL. The annual meeting of this institution was held at Truro on Friday last, when there was a larger attendance than usual, and the chair was taken by the President, Sir Charles Lemon, Bart., M.P., F.R.S., &c. On the table were arranged a number of specimens, many of them rare and curious, in Natural History, Geology, Mineralogy, &c. . The president opened the proceedings by requesting Mr. Tweedy, one of the secretaries, to read the report. Mr. Tweedy then read the following REPORT OF THE COUNCIL.. Your council believe they may congratulate you on the past year having been one of decided progress. Periodical meetings of the members for reading and discussing communications, and for the examination of such presents as may from time to time be made to the society have been held. The additions to the museum have been very considerable, and the number of visitors has been large. The support which the Town council of Truro have liberally afforded to the institution, has enabled the members to continue to offer to the public the opportunity of visiting and inspecting the museum, on the afternoons of three days in the week gratuitously, and during the past year upwards of 4,000 persons have availed themselves of this privilege. Your council, in consequence of Saturday being a day on which a considerable number of excursion trains come to Truro during the summer months, have opened the museum on that day, instead of on a Friday, and they have also extended the hours during which the museum is open in the winter months. The council have also reduced the fee for admission at those times, when the museum is not open gratuitously, to sixpence. The orderly conduct, and the intelligent appreciation of the various objects of interest by a large class of visitors, from whom no pecuniary support can be expected, is a source of much gratification to your council, as they feel assured it will be to all who desire the intellectual progress of the many. . Among the subjects brought under discussion at the evening meetings of the society, your council may mention the communication by Mr. Charles Fox, of a photographic copy of an inscription on the sarcophagus of a Sidonian King, which was discovered at Sidon in the spring of last year. It is the only [country] and it is supposed to be of about the fifth century B.C. Mr. Fox has also furnished the society with a translation of the inscription, and with a copy of the head placed at the top of the sarcophagus. . Mr. Whitley's brief notice at our last annual meeting of the [but ]circles on Carnbrea and on Dartmoor, has elicited several communications respecting similar discoveries in other parts of the kingdom, and in Scotland, especially one from Mr. Maclauchlan, to whom we are indebted for so much valuable information respecting the antiquities of the county. This subject is not exhausted, and it will afford your council much pleasure to see it further investigated, and to be enabled to lay before you the result of such investigations. To the younger members of the society a search for such objects would surely add to the interest of their rambles on our moors. . Mr. Couch of Polperro, favoured the society with a paper on the old bridge at Looe. The record of a structure dating form the early part of the fifteenth century, and which has now been destroyed to make way for building better adapted to the requirements of modern times, and of the ancient towns between which it was the connection, will possess an interest for the antiquary which renders it desirable that it should be preserved. . Mr. Osler, at the request of the members present, favoured the meeting with some very interesting observations of the structure and habits of the Teredo navalis and of the means by which this destructive mollusk is enabled to commit its ravages, of which several specimens were on the table. . A description of the fungus of the genus Geaster or earth star, was communicated by Mr. W. Tweedy, jun. to accompany some specimens which were exhibited, and which had been found in a hollow in an elm tree at Truto Vean. . Mr. Whitley drew attention to an inscribed stone of a very early date of which a sketch furnished by Mr. Kent, of Padstow, had been published in the journal of the Archaeological Society for 1845, but which appears to have escaped the notice of our local archaeologists; a proof of the importance of local societies to which such communications may be made, and by whom a record of them may be preserved. . Mr. Brown exhibited imprints of the date of 1645 of official reports made to the Speaker of the House of Commons relative to that time. It is intended during the ensuing winter to resume these meetings, which are calculated to keep alive an interest in the objects of our institution. . Among the presents during the last year, your council, while acknowledging the kindness of those donors who have presented to the institution relics of the war in the Crimea, are particularly indebted to Colonel Aylmer, R.A., for the many interesting specimens illustrative of the ancient remains of the Chersonesus. Mr. H. H. Vivian has presented to the society a valuable series of specimens illustrative of the coal formations of Swansea and its neighborhood. Mr. Whitley has given a considerable number of fossils from North [??] . LIST OF PRESENTS. –-MR. TWEEDY also read the following list of presents to the society during the past year: - 351 specimens selected from the Trade Collection of the Great Exhibition; by Her Majesty's Commissioners for 1851.. A large collection of Natural History, consisting of upwards of 300 specimens; bequeathed by the late Mr. Clement Jackson, of East Looe.. A variety of interesting specimens of Natural History, &c., &c., presented by W.P. Cocks, Esq.. Blackbird of a grey colour; by Thomas Opie.. Two specimens of copper from North Basset; by Mr. Wm. Michell.. Greenough's Geological Map of India, by Dr. Carlyon.. Synopsis of the Classification of the British Paleozoic Rocks, part 3rd; by Professor Sedgwick.. Specimens of phosphate of iron, native copper, potatoe stone, crystals in granite, pearl spar, spathose iron, goethite, quartz coated with chalcedony, and oxide of zinc; by Mr. Tweedy.. A series of specimens of coals used by Mr. Hussey Vivian, M.P., to illustrate his lecture at the Truro Institution; by H.H. Vivian, Esq. M.P. . Stone Cannon Shot, &c. ; ancient figure from St. Mawes; a piece of marble from Sebastapol, by Dr. Bullmore. Crocodile from Banks of Ganges, by Mr. Edward Wilson. Five Russian shot and one shell from Sebastapol, by H. S. Stokes, Esq.. Bittern, by Mr. W. Newcombe.. Coal Mine Reports, by Joseph Dickinson, Esq.. Specimen of Coral, by Augustus Smith, Esq.. Specimens of Slate from Braunton, with fossils from Braunton and Swindon, Isle of Wight and the Railway Cutting Treviddo; by Mr. Whitley.. Specimens of Fossils from the inferior Oolite, by Mr. John Jones, (Gloucester).. Two Snakes from Montreal, by Mr. Robert Spry Reed.. Specimens of the woods growing in Canada West, by Mr. S. H. Budd.. Two Norwegian coins, by Mr. Carlson.. Quarter Spanish dollar, by Mr. Francis.. Specimen of native Bismuth, specimen of black Jasper; Granite with spots of suphuret of iron and copper; and brown and red hematite in quartz, by Mr. Richard Pearce.. Two black head Gulls, by Mr. Crossman.. Shot found in the Camp-field, Truro, supposed to be one used by Cromwell's army; by Mr. John Pascoe.. Specimen of Green Carbonate of Copper, Fibrous Malachite from North Basset, and specimen of Contorted Micaceous Schist, from Ben Lomond, near Inversnarld; by Mr. E.J. Spry.. A variety of interesting specimens from the Crimea, by Colonel Aylmer.. Cotton Worm from Georgia, by Mr. W.R. Rouse.. Fossil Stem of Palm from Sutherland, by Mr. D. Gunn. Sea Slug, by Mr. John James. Idol from Easter Island, native Cloth from Tahiti, by Lieut. Parkyn, R.N.. Impression of the Seal of the Borough of St. Ives, by John Hayward, Esq.. Specimen of Quartz from East Wheal Unity, Lithomarge from Wheal Jane, Iridescent Pyrites from Wheal Jane, Asphaltam or Mineral Pitch from Poldice, Chlorite deposited on Quartz Crystals, and Tungstate of Iron or Wolfram in acicular crystals, from Poldice, Fluor Spar with crystals of sulphate of lime from Poldice, and Botryoidal Copper from Clyjah and Wentworth, by Mr. W. Rickard. .Specimen of Lievrite from near St. Austell; by Mr. H. C. Hodge. .The Physical Geography of the South Western Counties of England, by Mr. Whitley. .Presents from the several societies of their reports as follows: - Proceeding of the Zoological Society of London; Leeds Philosophical and Literary Institution; Royal Cornwall Polytechnic Society; Geological and Polytechnic Society. West Riding Yorkshire; and Scarborough Philosophical Society. Mr. ENTS rose to propose that the report be received, adopted, and printed. He did so with a great deal of pleasure because he was convinced that a great amount of work had been done during the last year. He believed that exactly in proportion to the work done was the modesty of the report which had been drawn up. Rev. T. PHILLPOTTS seconded the motion, and it was carried unanimously. .The following papers were then read: . - ORNITHOLOGY - A paper, entitled "Notes on the Ornithological occurrences in Cornwall for the year 1856", by Mr. E.H. Rodd, of Penzance, was read by Dr. BARHAM. - I am not aware that the past year has afforded any additions to the Ornithological Fauna of Cornwall, but some birds of rare occurrence and interest have been noticed, which indeed may generally be expected in a county like ours, presenting as it does, so many features favourable to the habitat of land and water birds. I was fortunate enough a few days [copy non-existant….] Land and England. .Dr. Vigurs dredged it up alive a few miles from Falmouth harbour in 1851; and he informed Mr. Lovell Squire about a week ago, that he had frequently procured them both from the harbour and bay. Mr. Cocks considered the fish scarce in our neighbourhood, not a rare one. Its rarity arises from the naturalist being ignorant of its habitats, and selecting ground for his dredging operations incompatible with the movements of the fish. .Mr. Cox added a list of specimens taken in 1855 and also this year; amongst the latter were Labrus variegates, by Mr. H. O. Bullmore; Lernea branchiales, by Miss Vigurs; Teredo palmulata, specimens from Mr. H. Fox, Miss Vigurs, and Mr. N. Tredidder; wood from the keel of a Dutch barque in Mr. Trethowan's yard, Little Falmouth; Cynthia morus, Forbes, from dredger's refuse, Falmouth bay, by Mr. H. Bastian; Actinea plumose, from Mill-pond bar, by Mr. W.K. Bullmore. Several specimens in ornithology were also mentioned by Mr. Cocks. The Green Shark, Totanus glottis, shot near the reservoir of the Falmouth waterworks. Pigmy Curlew, shot at Swanpool, in the possession of Mr. Howard Fox; and the Arctic Tern, shot in the harbour by Mr. Cox; rather plentiful this autumn. ANCIENT ENCAMPMENT. - Dr. BARRAM [Barham??] said he would read a few lines from one who he hoped would by-and-bye become a very valuable fellow--abourer. It was an account of an encampment in the parish of Cubert, by Mr. W.E. Michell, and was as follows: - The parish road from Newlyn to Cubert, about half a mile from the latter place, bisects an encampment which I have not seen noticed in any of your reports. It consists of a single circular rampart, about ten feet high on the outside, and a ditch. It stands on high ground, and is about 100 feet in diameter. The interior, on both sides of the road, is now used as a garden.. NOTICE OF THE COPPER-TURF OF MERIONETH. - By William Jory Henwood, F.R.S., F.G. S.; read by Dr. BARHAM. The copper ores which have been found in some abundance amongst the mountains of Merionethshire have not occurred in such long and regular lodes as characterize many other metalliferous deposits; but were, for the most part, obtained from the net work of irregular strings, which, chiefly composed of quartz and carbonate of lime in ever varying proportions, and frequently mixed with epidote and other minerals, conform more or less to the natural joints of the hornblende slate or greenstone. The district to which my labours were directed, a few years ago, is a wild and romantic one, well known to tourists, about three or four miles north west of Dolgelley, on the way to Trawsfynnydd, and occupies the irregular triangle included between the rivers Mawddweh and Babi. Although the surface is generally steep and rough, there are some gently declivities, and small vales so slightly inclined as to have permitted the formation of peat; and it is in these that the copper-turf has been wrought. At Bryn Coch, numerous short, thin veins and isolated spots of copper pyrites occur in a small rock eminence, and the water oozing and trickling from it enters a field long cultivated, but from its infertility called Cae Drwg "the bad field." The soil was examined in my presence, and gave traces of copper. At Bearhos there are small quantities of antimonial grey copper ore, of copper pyrites, and of the blue and green carbonates of .....[incomplete] . CRIMEAN ANTIQUITIES [missing text] . County Corn Markets -skipped. Fairs for November -skipped